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18 November 2012 1684 comments
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Just the one game to keep us ticking over today, as Fulham play host to out-of-sorts Sunderland. Plenty will be hoping for another big haul from Dimitar Berbatov after a rare blank from Robin Van Persie at Norwich yesterday. As always, our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open ahead of the 4pm kick off:

The team news is as follows:

Martin Jol makes three changes from the side that drew 3-3 at Arsenal last Saturday. The alterations all come in midfield, with Damien Duff coming in for Ashkan Dejagah on the right, while Alex Kacaniklic steps in for the injured Kieran Richardson on the opposite flank. Veteran Giorgos Karagounis earns his first league start for the Cottagers – he partners Steve Sidwell in the centre, with Mahamadou Diarra injured and Chris Baird serving a one-match suspension.

Schwarzer; Riether, Hughes, Hangeland, Riise; Duff, Karagounis, Sidwell, Kacaniklic; Ruiz, Berbatov

For Sunderland, Martin O’Neill makes two alterations from last week’s defeat at Everton. Phil Bardsley has shrugged off a hamstring problem to replace the suspended Craig Gardner at right-back, while Lee Cattermole’s recovery from a knee problem forces a midfield reshuffle. Seb Larsson is moved from the centre to the right, with Adam Johnson shifting to the left, meaning James McClean drops to the bench for the second time in the last three Gameweeks.

Mignolet; Bardsley, Cuellar, O’Shea, Rose; Larsson, Cattermole, Colback, Johnson; Sessegnon, Fletcher.

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  1. Crouch Potato!
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    Don't have Hags but a yellow was the correct decision.

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  2. Gaz Downright
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    too reckless imo, gutted to see Brede go off but it's all right refereeing

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    1. Kostja
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      +1 Under the current rules it is a red. Not saying I agree with the rules though.

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  3. Spencer
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    Oh dear.

    Got rid of Hangeland last night to avoid a price drop.

    One week too late!

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  4. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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    This gw is seriously taking the Michael out of some top fpl players.

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    1. Pasqualinho
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      Hangeland/Fellaini owner here. So it's not just the top players.

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      1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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        Just the greatest guys then 😉

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        1. Pasqualinho
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          Thanks Corky - you can be my friend.

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  5. Alton E.
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    Piss off..

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  6. Paul Psychic Octopus
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    Players might as well remove the studs from their boots. Because if the ref even gets sight of them, it's a red card these days. Daft.

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    1. Jack Frost
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      Exactly, and double that for Probert.

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  7. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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    Not much chance of a big Berb haul now.

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  8. Feanor
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    So Berbatov as captain likely has failed, but it's not like my vc was any better.

    I'll be lucky to break 30 this week.

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    1. Kostja
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      Could still get something had a great chance right after the red

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      1. v12w12
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        I agree.

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  9. olidooley
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    No way was that a red card

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    1. Gaz Downright
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      according to the rules, that's exactly what a red card is

      not sure it's good for the game (as a whole)

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  10. Jack Frost
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    Wow, what an overreaction on the RC, these officials have lost the way. Rose just did exactly what Hangeland did. Ridiculous.

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    1. Gaz Downright
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      look again

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      1. Jack Frost
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        I did three times, Probert is a quickdraw and Hangeland is not a reckless player. Turning into a grandmothers game.

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        1. Gaz Downright
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          I agree with all points. Probert was fast. Hangeland is solid. And this is boring.

          But, it was a4 refereeing by the book

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          1. Jack Frost
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            Well you win on the BORING game argument. Seems like only about one in four Eng football games are exciting and thrilling these days (unless you are at the game)

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        2. Crouch Potato!
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          Totally agree may as start playing like the American league.

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          1. Crouch Potato!
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            well

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      2. Crouch Potato!
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        I have, still think yellow, Rose's challenge was far worse.

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      3. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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        +1 not a career ender but clumsy and unnecessarily aggressive tackle. Gave the ref a decision he didn't have to.

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
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          Doesnt matter, they want to stamp out all two footed tackles. Hangeland has been penalised for the recklessness of others. Red card nonetheless

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          1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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            (I was agreeing)

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    2. Royal5
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      +1

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  11. arcticjunkie1
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    So Rose does exactly the same challenge and stays on the field... referee doesn't know what day it is

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
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      Shut up, he got the ball

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      1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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        so did Hangeland

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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          True

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    2. Kostja
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      Stop agreeing with the pundits it was nowhere close, totally under control and not reckless. Also his feet were not nearly as high as Hangelands.

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    3. Gaz Downright
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      You're exaggerating.

      It's quite different to come straight on with both feet, than from the side moving in a somewhat similar direction as the fouled player

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  12. bennydebull
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    If sunderland score twice will brede lose a further point?

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    1. exammy
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      ya

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    2. Declan
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      Yup

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    3. FPL Daniel
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      y

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    4. The Chosen One...
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      No

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      1. Declan
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        🙄

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      2. bennydebull
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        You've been outvoted

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      3. Gregor
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        • 16 Years
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        No he won't.

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        1. FPL Daniel
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          yes he will

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          1. Gregor
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            Is this a new rule?

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            1. Declan
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              Nope

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            2. Gaz Downright
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              It's quite old

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            3. The Bandit
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              No, always been the case

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              1. Gregor
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                Apologies, I don't know how I didn't know that! I guess I've been lucky.

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    5. Alan The Llama
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      yep

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    6. RedNev
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      Yes.

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    7. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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      Yup

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    8. The Chosen One...
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      How can he have 'goals conceded' when he's not on the ground. And Michu yesterday was not on the ground when they conceded and therefore got the CS point

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      1. Declan
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        You have to penalise a player who gets sent off, simples.

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      2. The Bandit
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        Think about it...

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      3. FPL Daniel
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        Its different when u earn a red card. Its in the rules. I learnt the hard way several years ago with BAE when they conceded 4 after he got red

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        1. Jack Frost
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          Interesting, kind of a ghostship rule... you should have been on the field but for the RC. Makes sense. Consequential damages and foreseeability, but enuf about law.

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      4. TorresMagic™
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        Red card perhaps?

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  13. Alton E.
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    So who now for Hangeland? Cameron? Mertesack??

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    1. Revival
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      Going Hangeland > Cuellar myself

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  14. Cruizer van Nistelrooy
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    I wish this game end 0-0 so that i can get cs for both o'shea n hughes

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  15. NATSTER
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    Things going against Fulham.

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  16. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    BERBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    1 GOAL PLEASE

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    1. v12w12
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      Hope so 1-0 Berbs will do nicely 🙂

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  17. Elf and Witness
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    How many match ban does he get?

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    1. bennydebull
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      3, if not appealed

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    2. Declan
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      3

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    3. OPTA FPL
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      3 i think

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  18. OPTA FPL
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    If Sunderlan cannt score today then we.....

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    1. charliec1903
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      Cry.

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      1. OPTA FPL
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        nope, i meant DGW

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        1. charliec1903
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          Still cry cause i'm holding onto Fletcher until DGW!

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    2. Gaz Downright
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      shrug

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  19. UKG
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    Wish the Jan WC would hurry up and arrive! Not using my second WC before then. Need that for late in the season

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  20. Thomass
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    whats happening in the Fulham Game??

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    1. df34
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      0-0 Hangeland sent off

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      1. Thomass
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        cheers mate! is the ref in mackems side??

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  21. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    The last time Sunderland played against 10 men, Demba Ba scored an own goal...

    It's Berbatov's turn today.

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    1. RedNev
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      Berba will score the winner.

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    2. NATSTER
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      Interesting!! Umm, what's your name again? Mr.Unreal.

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  22. exammy
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    Best 4m def?

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    1. exammy
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      gorks?

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    2. MJ6987
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      Gorkks, maybe Shorey if you have 4.1

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  23. Declan
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    Hangeland 11% ownership, Noice.

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    1. df34
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      Yeah higher than i thought

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  24. 4-4-who?
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    Hangeland 11.1% ownership, at home to Sunderland means that a couple of hundred thousand players are eating -2

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  25. Granville
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    Football games are being ruined with these frivolous red cards. Stop hiding behind the letter of the law, the law is wrong.

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    1. RedNev
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      +1.

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      1. FPL Daniel
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        Eurosport: 8'Brede Hangeland advances from the back and plays in Berbatov with a lovely little through-ball. However, the striker finds himself surrounded by bodies and can't dig out a shot.

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        1. FPL Daniel
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          Sorry mistake wrong paste: We have just seen a replay of the Hangeland incident from a new angle and this time it looks as though it may not have been quite two-footed. Still, he went off the ground with his studs showing.

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    2. Kostja
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      Cant really blame the refs for this IMO

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    3. Corrigan
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      Cattermole could have broken his leg(s) even if it wasn't planted.

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      1. Corrigan
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        Plus the game is too fast to have players entering challenges in that way.

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  26. Thomass
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    think the refs onn mackems side!

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  27. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
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    How nailed on is Walcott?

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  28. Park the bus
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    Sess is absolute murder. Tidy player but no composure whatsoever!

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  29. BONZ
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    I hate the way that good strong tackles are now issued with a red card card on an inconsistant basis - Hangeland, was 1st the ball, strong , one footed and never touched the opponent. Great Tackle that inflicted NO injury.

    Admittedly, if he had not touched the ball & had taken the player instead it would have been a nasty tackle but we should not punish on a "what if" basis.

    What if you didnt brake in time this morning, you wouldnt be reading this dross!

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    1. MJ6987
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      Tackling should be his Brede and butter

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  30. Gaz Downright
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    slide it to Riise!

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