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The Gameweek continues with four three o’clock kick-offs to follow on from City’s victory at the Etihad, before Sunderland host Man United later this evening.

Fantasy managers will be firmly focused on Liverpool’s meeting with Crystal Palace, with many backing either Luis Suarez or Daniel Sturridge with the armband, anticipating goals and a heavy defeat for the visitors.

We start the team news round-up at Anfield, then, to find that Brendan Rodgers makes just one change to the lineup that won at Sunderland. Raheem Sterling is drafted in on the right-flank with Jordan Henderson shifting to a central midfield role to replace the suspended Lucas. The formation is not yet clear – having played 3-4-1-2 at the Stadium of Light, that could be the case again, although Rodgers could also revert to a regular four-man defence with Victor Moses moving to the left flank and Jose Enrique returning to a full-back role.

Once again, Ian Holloway rings the changes for opponents Palace. Damien Delaney is fit to return, while Stuart O’Keefe, Jason Puncheon and Cameron Jerome all earn starts. Kagisho Dikgacoi, Barry Bannan, Danny Gabidon and Dwight Gayle make way.

Martin Jol makes a string of changes to his lineup to face Stoke at the Cottage. In come Philippe Senderos, Georgios Karagounis, Damien Duff and Bryan Ruiz as the injured Scott Parker misses out, along with Alex Kacaniklic, Kieran Richardson and Darren Bent. Mark Hughes also makes changes for the visitors as Stephen Ireland and Matt Etherington earn starts in place of Charlie Adam and Kenwyne Jones. That would indicate that Marko Arnautovic will lead the attack for the Potters.

Cardiff are unchanged for the visit of Newcastle, as Malky Mackay keeps faith with the starting XI that won three points at Fulham, leaving match winner Jordon Mutch benched. As expected, the Magpies tweak their starting lineup following Monday night’s disappointing first half at Goodison. Alan Pardew makes the decision that Hatem Ben Arfa owners were dreading: the Frenchman gets dropped to the bench as his compatriot Yohan Cabaye earns a start, along with Papiss Cisse with Vurnon Anita out of the matchday squad. Not surprisingly, Mike Williamson starts in central defence with Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa dropping out.

Finally, at the KC stadium, the Tigers make just one change with Stephen Quinn benefiting from Robbie Brady’s absence following an hernia operation. Opponents Villa make two alterations – Ashley Westwood and Gabby Agbonlahor return to the lineup following injury as Yacouba Sylla and Nathan Baker drop out. That suggests a change of shape with Paul Lambert perhaps converting his 3-5-2 to a more standard 4-3-3.

The Dugout Discussion chatroom remains open to capture you real-time reactions during the afternoon’s matches and throughout United’s tea-time visit to Sunderland.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Total Foot 5
    13 years, 29 days ago

    27 million for Fellaini...what a joke, if compared with Neymar's $20 mil+ and Paulinho 18mil..Felaini is so overrated it isnt funny

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    1. Chris_White
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Yeah, but everybody kinda knew this. Fellaini isn't what United need. Modric/Fabregas is.

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    2. Big_Andy_GAWA
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Absolutely. Fellani worth 17/18 mill. max.

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  2. FORCA INTER
    13 years, 29 days ago

    shame people couldn't see how UTD is pathetic as soon as myself

    i am so much superior

    almsot can't belive it

    predicted 7th spot and they doing even worse

    also predicted livpool,spurs in fight for title

    where are those comments about how stupid i am now

    my pre-season has been spot on on every aspect of fpl and real football so far

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      13 years, 29 days ago

      wait till after the game and then laugh

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    2. Les Bleus
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Ok, I'm not getting annoyed by these United posts, but you are getting really annoying with your constant bashing. We get your point, you don't like United. Can you stop now? Thanks

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      1. FORCA INTER
        13 years, 29 days ago

        totaly wrong , i like UTD my favorite club in england

        i just dont like RVP and Moyes

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        1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
          13 years, 29 days ago

          united are your favourite club in england? 😯

          what do you say about clubs you don't like?

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          1. Thomass
            13 years, 29 days ago

            We want the TRUTH!

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            1. JK - Cønt ⭐
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              13 years, 29 days ago

              YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

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              1. Thomass
                13 years, 29 days ago

                Me I can't how?

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              2. isacki: full casual
                13 years, 29 days ago

                Forca, Bemba and Thomass in a comment chain.

                FFS GOLD.

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    3. NATSTER
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I have always rated you highly.. really high.

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    5. Big_Andy_GAWA
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Are you like 9 years old ?

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      1. get_in
        13 years, 29 days ago

        I'm always surprised his posts aren't written in crayon

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    6. The Machine
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I can see that through your rank

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    7. Spin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Shut up bigmouth. wait till the end of the season before sucking yourself off

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    8. NissA
      13 years, 29 days ago

      You're this site's own Mystic Meg.

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    9. Simon March
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      If you're so superior, why do you have Arnautovic in your team?

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    10. isacki: full casual
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Sorry Forca you've tried really hard but you still can't beat your comment last season that "FPL is too easy"

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      1. FORCA INTER
        13 years, 29 days ago

        still think that fpl is too easy

        and my 8 players will prove that tomorrow

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        1. isacki: full casual
          13 years, 29 days ago

          😆 Say that when there's 102,209 fewer players better than you 😆

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          1. FORCA INTER
            13 years, 29 days ago

            but i will go in top 10k tomorrow

            i just know it

            giroud C and soldado can't go wrong

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            1. isacki: full casual
              13 years, 29 days ago

              Yes everything in FPL always goes to plan.

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    11. PMC3
      13 years, 29 days ago

      If you think Man United will finish outside the top 4, as well as BOTH Liverpool and Spurs being in with a shout of the title come the end of the season then you are what people said you were...

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    12. Gr3g
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Forca, all I can hear is... Meeeee, meeeee meeee

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    13. Qubit
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I have passed through finding Forca annoying and come out the other side. Now I see him as some kind of misunderstood comedy genius. 😀

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    14. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      You'all are way too gullible!

      Please don't feed...
      http://www.cleopolis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/feedTrolls.jpg

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  3. Granville
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    13 years, 29 days ago

    No one ever blames the players, always the managers fault. It might well be all to do with management, but what can he do when a player can't get a simple pass under control

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    1. FORCA INTER
      13 years, 29 days ago

      i blame RVP+Moyes

      shet combo

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    2. Egg noodle
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Almost the same team as last year. All 11 players suddenly cannot decide to play so badly...

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        13 years, 29 days ago

        tbf the rest of the prem didnt challenge utd at all...that wasnt cos utd were amazin, they really werent....i think everyone has caught up and that team is getting found out

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        1. Egg noodle
          13 years, 29 days ago

          This 'weak man united midfield' mallarchy has been going on for ever and ever. But that never stopped them from winning, until now

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    3. charlie1X
      13 years, 29 days ago

      ITs sacking all the training staff & bringing in Moyes' clueless lot

      No complex position changes poor movement poor passing.

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      1. Godfather Bandit 42
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Have an upvote.

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    4. Spin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      If the players reactions are that bad and he's clearly that much off the pace then whats he doing on the pitch?
      What Moyes is asking United players to do is archaic and will get United nowhere.
      The needed a top top manager, like Mourinho or Ancelotti, not some guy who never managed a team to play free flowing attacking football.
      4-4-2 and cross it in, hell, just give me the job. I can tell the players to do that!

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      1. charlie1X
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Man Utd is a process of forgetting

        Oh what a falling

        Man Utd

        RIP

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      2. Godfather Bandit 42
        13 years, 29 days ago

        and an upvote for you too.

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    5. Elniñorules
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      The same players won the title + Fellaini.

      Surely there's something wrong behind the scenes?

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    6. get_in
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Agreed, most of these players were in a league winning squad and just aren't performing.

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    7. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I'd argue that players, manager, backroom staff, board are all at fault.

      How about sack the board?

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  4. Heels_Over_Head
    13 years, 29 days ago

    I think it is time to move Rooney back to midfield and for Moyes to kiss that 30 goal season dream goodbye. Small adjustment, changes the team. Fergie played him back for a reason. Team needs him there.

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  5. Plymouth
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Giacherrini looks a solid punt

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    1. Rafabio
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Very solid.

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  6. jas5sk - Youtube channel
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Bring Kagawa on! DAMN IT!

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      13 years, 29 days ago

      he will bring giggs on

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      1. Chris_White
        13 years, 29 days ago

        😆 wouldn't surprise me one bit

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  7. JT's Dog
    13 years, 29 days ago

    All of you anti moyes posters seem to forget that fergie got off to a far poorer start one season

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    1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Not really the same is it?

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    2. Gravless wonder
      13 years, 29 days ago

      that was fergie...

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    3. Locarno
      13 years, 29 days ago

      ??? This is United's worst start for 24 years. Before tonight's, er, loss.

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      1. JT's Dog
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Ok it was st mirren in 1975-76 but still

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        1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
          13 years, 29 days ago

          😆

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    4. Epic Fail
      13 years, 29 days ago

      He didn't take over a great team...

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      1. rozzo
        13 years, 29 days ago

        and neither has moyes

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        1. Epic Fail
          13 years, 29 days ago

          Course not.

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    5. Heels_Over_Head
      13 years, 29 days ago

      remember that

      people questioned whether Fergie had lost it; near bottom of table

      now they'll say it was different, because they erased that part

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    6. UnderstandablyDistraught
      13 years, 29 days ago

      True but Fergie arrived as an accomplished, winning manager and took over a team that needed rebuilding.

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      1. Elniñorules
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        13 years, 29 days ago

        This.

        The experience of winning titles in any competitive league makes a difference.

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  8. Big_Andy_GAWA
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Lukaku wasn't injured today when taken off, correct? Okay to do a Welbeck to him?

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    1. The Machine
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Yes, do it.

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    2. JT's Dog
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Even if lukaku lost a leg I would still do it

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      1. Heels_Over_Head
        13 years, 29 days ago

        😆

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  9. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    13 years, 29 days ago

    rooney to get sent off i think

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  10. The Machine
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Fellaini not in the squad?

    They could actually do well with him in the hole with all these crosses coming in.

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  11. Heydudes13
    13 years, 29 days ago

    BBC say Suarez got an assist?

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    1. MJ6987
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Hopefully be added later then.

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    2. Sánchez
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Who got the Gerrard assist on fpl?

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      1. get_in
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Sterling i think

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    3. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      13 years, 29 days ago

      BBC are wrong it came off the Palace defenders head

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      1. Qubit
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Yep, ive seen the goal. Pretty sure Suarez was on the floor when the ball came off the defenders head. No where near the ball sadly.

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  12. Sánchez
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Pre-season Flashback Man Utd fan time;

    Example Post;

    "I think we will line up as follows this year

    Fabregas Fellaini
    Ronaldo Rooney Bale
    Van Persie"

    😀

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    1. MJ6987
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Only idiot United fans though

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      1. Sánchez
        13 years, 29 days ago

        True. There were a few though.
        Always made me laugh.

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        1. NissA
          13 years, 29 days ago

          The bigger the fanbase, the more idiots you get.

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    2. jas5sk - Youtube channel
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Hahaha

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  13. rozzo
    13 years, 29 days ago

    i have been saying this since the start of the season so the current scoreline is kind of irrelevant here but when will the pundits admit that the quality of man utds team is so poor? no one ever says anything, like we are supposed to swallow that cleverly, anderson, welbeck etc. etc are quality players just in a slump

    will they ever admit they are just not good enough?

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    1. Wilshere Knowledge
      13 years, 29 days ago

      A lot of pundits were saying Man U's squad was poor even when they won it last season to be fair.

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  14. MJ6987
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Who is priority to sell?
    A. Moses
    B. HBA
    C. JWP

    And who is priority to buy?
    1. Barkley
    2. Paulinho
    3. Eriksen

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    1. Heels_Over_Head
      13 years, 29 days ago

      B & 1

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      1. MJ6987
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Cheers.

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    2. NissA
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I'd say the same, B + 1.

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  15. Pedram
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Having a laugh.

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  16. Acquafresca
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Suarez no baps?

    Now we're having a laugh

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    1. Wirtzle Gummidge
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Vidic currently on 2. The system is a joke.

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    2. @FPLMason
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Heresy i say

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    3. MJ6987
      13 years, 29 days ago

      How did he get less than Sturridge?

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  17. Aurora
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Evening lads!

    Need a bit of help here...
    I have 2FT this week.

    So...
    Rooney+Barfa to Lukaku+Özil?

    Seems obvious but I don't know if Rooney's good fixtures will hurt me...

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  18. Thomass
    13 years, 29 days ago

    If you wanted to be a manager which team would I be and who would you like to takeover from?
    I would say Swansea and I would like to take over from Michael Laudrup!

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    1. Locarno
      13 years, 29 days ago

      You're a Swans fan, for suck's fake.

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    2. Dr Dream
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I'm with you...great club at the mo.

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      1. Thomass
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Thanks, I love this philosophy

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        1. Dr Dream
          13 years, 29 days ago

          I'm a BLackburn lad...what's happening to the Swans is much the same thing in a similar sized town...I know how much it means.

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    3. Wilshere Knowledge
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Arsenal. Aside from the fact I'm an Arsenal fan 😀 Arsenal probably have the best young players in the league. Bayern Munich probbly only have the better young players in the world.

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    4. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I want my team to do well... so I'll take over Juventus.

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  19. Dr Dream
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Not a bad game this for two teams struggling in the bottom half. Sunderland's quality in midfield just edging it for me.

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  20. Gravless wonder
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Man Utd have overperformed for years thanks to Fergie. Swap him and Mancini last year and City win the league, its that simple.

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  21. charlie1X
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Evil Kagawa to the rescue

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    1. Heels_Over_Head
      13 years, 29 days ago

      did he tweet something funny?

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      1. charlie1X
        13 years, 29 days ago

        new material created all the time

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  22. Messiah Hazard
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    13 years, 29 days ago

    From BBC Live:
    The last time United lost three Premier League games in a row was December 2001, Liverpool were top and Arsenal were second. Just like now.

    Interestingly, that run came after Sir Alex Ferguson had announced that he would retire at the end of the season.

    What happened next? Arsenal went on to win the double.

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    1. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Yeah. I suppose I'd take that.

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  23. theloveburglar
    13 years, 29 days ago

    moyes coming in for alot of criticism here but what are u to do when ur captain and supposed leader is making school boy errors game after game... a manager can only do so much the fact is he is being let down badly by the very players he should be able to trust..

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    1. Heels_Over_Head
      13 years, 29 days ago

      word

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      1. theloveburglar
        13 years, 29 days ago

        huh

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    2. Epic Fail
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Sort them out.

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    3. charlie1X
      13 years, 29 days ago

      blood the youth or die. And bring in a modern european deputy as coach

      Moyes' only escape route and he needs to be quick

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    4. Spin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      The players are badly organised. RVP told last season about the influence of Ferguson and Renee Mulesteen on the team preparation. How he was the best coach he'd ever worked with
      Moyes sacked him and brought in a bunch of people who have never won anything.
      And he also appointed 2 coaches with no prior experience.
      That might work in league 2 but in the PL at a club the size of united its plain daft.

      Moyes will be sacked. Theres nothing surer. The glazers will oust him when they miss out on CL football and start badly again nxt yr

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      1. theloveburglar
        13 years, 29 days ago

        badly organised thats nonsense that result and performance in donetsk in midweek was higly credible and we were set up brilliantly against a top side who had beaten arsenal and chelsea in the last few years.. infact a carbon copy of a ferguson team away in the champions league.. patient controlled and rock solid.. which brings me back to my original point that it would of been 3 points if it hadnt been for a school boy error from vidic.. he is being let down its as simple as that.. and regards to the coaching staff he had every right to bring in his own staff people he knows and respects and has worked with for many years especially his own assistant.. giggs and neville might be relatively inexperienced in coaching roles but hav been thru enough training sessions at united over the years to know whats what and use that input .. i do agree he should of definitely retained rene however..

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  24. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    13 years, 29 days ago

    S&S look superb and Giroud has NOR. How on earth can I justify dropping any for Lukaku?

    Nolan -> Barkley surely the better trade?

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    1. Sánchez
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Same here. I am thinking the cash free up justifies it a bit

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      1. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        13 years, 29 days ago

        You thinking of dropping Sturridge? Did you have him from the start? Still seems great value for 9.0m

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    2. Wilshere Knowledge
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Getting rid of Nolan should deffo be priority.

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    3. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I think Lukaku is going to be vital

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    4. caio89
      13 years, 29 days ago

      I'm in a similar situation, although I'll most likely do Nolan -> Whittingham as I have Mirallas.

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  25. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Sunderland 1-3 United

    Rooney x 2 RVP pen

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      13 years, 29 days ago

      crisis, what crisis?

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  26. Total Foot 5
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Man U --its been 12 yrs since man-u has lost 3 str8

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    1. beric
      13 years, 29 days ago

      they aren't about to lose 3 straight

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      1. beric
        13 years, 29 days ago

        unless you just mean in the league

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  27. JayBomb
    13 years, 29 days ago

    45 mins and I could be doing this for -8 pt hit

    Rooney - Lukaku
    Kasami - Ramsey
    HBA - Oscar

    Make sense long term ??

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  28. JT's Dog
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Wow my triple Sunderland defence may pay off

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      13 years, 29 days ago

      oh you

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    2. Heels_Over_Head
      13 years, 29 days ago

      you're on a roll

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  29. Aurora
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Rooners to Luks

    Barfa to ÖZIL

    Yes or no?

    I have 2FT btw.

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    1. Chris_White
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Yes

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    2. SW6
      13 years, 29 days ago

      Not now.

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  30. keeney
    13 years, 29 days ago

    Current team
    Mignolet (Harper)

    Walker terry Coleman (Wilson, Collins)

    Ozil Erikson Moses Barkley ( HBA )

    Saurez Negredo Remy

    Two free transfers
    Thinking;

    Moses and HBA -----> Oscar and januzaj
    Yea or no guys ??

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    1. charlie1X
      13 years, 29 days ago

      avoid Man Utd

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      1. keeney
        13 years, 29 days ago

        Sure about that

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        1. Jackson123
          13 years, 29 days ago

          🙂

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