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Manchester City made their second foray into the summer transfer market a couple of weeks ago by signing the defensive midfielder Fernando from FC Porto. Having failed with a bid back in January, the Premier League champions returned with an improved offer and finally captured the 26-year-old in a deal believed to be in the region of £12m:

Speaking to the club’s official website upon completion of the move, the Brazilian was clearly delighted with his switch to the English top-flight, as Manuel Pellegrini attempts to win the title for the second successive season at the helm:

“I am so happy to finally be joining Manchester City. I’m looking forward to meeting my new team-mates and helping City to defend the title. It is a very exciting time to be part of this football club and I cannot wait to play in the Premier League. City fans can be assured I will give my all every time I play and I’m looking forward to many happy years in Manchester. I have enjoyed my stay with Porto and I thank the club and the fans for their support during my time in Portugal. Now I am ready for a new chapter in my career.”

The History

Fernando’s career kicked off in his native country with Vila Nova back in 2005. A couple of years later, having scored three times in 57 appearances for the Brazilian third division outfit, he was snapped up by Porto on a five-year contract. Loaned out to Estrela Amadora in his first season in Portuguese football, he netted once in 27 matches before returning to his parent club in time for the start of the 2008-09 campaign.

Nailed-on in the centre of the park, Fernando has been a key figure in a run which has seen his side win four league titles, two Portuguese cups, five Portuguese Super Cups and a Europa League title over the subsequent six seasons. At Porto, a total of 232 appearances over all competitions harvested five goals and nine assists for a player who is no stranger to incurring the referee’s wrath – over the course of his career, the 26-year-old has picked up 71 bookings and been dismissed on six occasions.

The Prospects

Nicknamed “The Octopus” due to his tireless running in the middle of the park, Fernando’s signing is a sensible one from Pellegrini. Last season’s acquisition of Fernandinho proved a masterstroke and laid the foundations for Yaya Toure’s best ever year in the top-flight – with the Brazilian situated in front of the back-four, Toure was afforded greater attacking freedom and served up 20 goals in City’s title-winning campaign.

It was noticeable last term, however, that City had no viable alternative for Fernandinho in the centre of the park. Indeed, in the five games he failed to feature, Pellegrini’s side drew blanks on four occasions (against Stoke, Sunderland, Chelsea and Norwich) as their swashbuckling ways were somewhat limited by the Brazilian’s absence, with Toure taking up a more defensive role as a result.

Fernando should offer City a like-for-like alternative to Fernandinho, then, and as Pellegrini look to overhaul the central midfield area, question marks will surely grow over the futures of players such as Jack Rodwell, James Milner and Javi Garcia, with Gareth Barry already leaving for Everton. Bearing in mind City scored in every game with Fernandinho in the side, his contribution – whilst failing to catch Fantasy managers’ eyes – was vital in affording Pellegrini’s attack-minded players the freedom to flourish.

If, as expected, the City boss continues with the 4-4-2 formation that harvested 102 goals in 2013/14, Fernando’s arrival merely strengthens the champions’ options. A lack of attacking potential means few will look to bring him on board but, as Fernandinho showed last term, the knock-on effect bodes well for the likes of Toure, David Silva, Samir Nasri, Sergio Aguero and Edin Dzeko further up the park.

Further Reference

Fernando Wikipedia

Fernando Transfermarkt Page

Fernando 2013/14 You Tube Highlights

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  1. FPL Should Reclassify Players Mid Season
    EmreCan Hustle
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    Two changes which I feel would make FPL even better this season;

    1. At some point during the season (maybe the winter transfer window) all OOP or POO players should be re-classified into the positions where they've been deployed.

    2. Often defenders come on at the 15 min mark and contribute heavily to their team's CS, but end up getting only 1 point(while the rest get 6). This doesn't seem fair to me. Any defender who has played over 60 mins and kept a CS should get the 6 points.

    Do these changes seem reasonable? Would love FFS thoughts 🙂

    Thanks.

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    1. Gregor
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      I love an OOP player so I'd rather they didn't do that and any defender who plays 60 minutes and keeps a clean sheet already gets four points for it.

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      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
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        Does he? Even if that defender comes on for an injured defender?

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        1. Gregor
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          Yep.

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      2. JT's Dog
          11 years, 5 months ago

          bit weird but someone in office was just talking about ali dia and then your grav pops up.
          its a sign, not sure what for though

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      3. banskt
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        I feel they should start rewarding defensive players, much like this McDs, but in a proportionate way.

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        1. EmreCan Hustle
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          'proportionate way' being the operative word 😉

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          1. banskt
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            I can suggest a proportionate way.
            1 point for every 3 recovered balls and 1 point for every blocked shot.
            For goals conceded points deducted should be incremental; e.g. 0 for 1GC, -1 for 2GC, -2 for 3GC, -4 for 4GC, -6 for 5GC, -10 for 6GC, -2n for n GC (n > 7).

            Alternatively, one can keep the blocked shot / recovered ball as in McD. And increase the rewards for goals simultaneously, something like 7 points for scoring a goal. The main idea is to make it proportionate. At the end of the day, a hattrick scorer should not end up with same points as a defensive mid. Again, after a terrific defensive display Leiva should not end up with 3 points only.

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      4. applebonkers
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        for number 1 i actually thought about applying this to a tiny fantasy game i made where it would be just about possible. but in fpl surely it wouldn't work as the giant mess it would make to people's squads who already own those players.

        i don't get the second point

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        1. EmreCan Hustle
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          If Zabaleta starts for City and hobbles off after 20 mins, will the substitute (say Sagna) get 6 points for playing the rest of the game and keeping a CS? I think he'll only get 1 point.

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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            6

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            1. EmreCan Hustle
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              Cheers.

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          2. JT's Dog
              11 years, 5 months ago

              how did zaba get injured?
              so unfair i captained him

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              1. EmreCan Hustle
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                Robben fell on him iirc.

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        2. Valar(Keith)
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          i feel they should remove the winter WC and then leave fpl unchanged for eternity

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          1. Gregor
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            Indeed, FPL is awesome.

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            1. Valar(Keith)
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              this.. dunno why people keep suggesting changes in preseason every year. my biggest fear is they'll change something. its just perfect. they should make it more hardcore and remove the Winter WC(and maybe bring back man in the stands bps) but i dont see that happening and wont lose sleep over it 🙂

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              1. EmreCan Hustle
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                Agree about the winter WC. People have been more careless with their WC because they know they'll have another in January. Me especially 😛

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              2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                its not perfect. certain players still aren't fantasy options whatsoever. mids who are chance creators/key passers need points.

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                1. Valar(Keith)
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                  chance creators and key passers create assist na? thats why we all love set piece hogs and silva type players.. or am i missing something? and givin McD style points for recovered balls and blocked shots for defensive mids would just ruin the fun of the game. just my view though. all depends on fpl towers(and Granville 🙂 )

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                  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                    some players aren't lucky enough to be playing with aguero who finishes superbly. there are players who create endless chances but they are squandered by sub-par strikers through no fault of their own. (I'm looking at you Soldado)

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                2. Valar(Keith)
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                  chance creators and key passers create assists and get points for that. thats why we all love set piece hogs and silva type players.. or am i missing something?
                  and if you mean holding mids etc givin McD style points for recovered balls and blocked shots for defensive mids would just ruin the fun of the game. just my view though. all depends on fpl towers(and Granville 🙂 )

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
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                    eh.. howd that happen

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                3. Billy Gilmore
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                  I don't get this argument at all personally. Why do we want every player to be ownable? If every player is getting points then that completely removes the skill of the game (see McD for example – makes keeping a CS practically irrelevant for defenders, and goals/assists for mids).

                  Would only water down the game imo.

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                  1. Get up ya bum
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                    Spot on BG. Predicting players goals, assists and clean sheets while using trannies to manage the fixture list and earn coin is about perfect imo. K.I.S.S

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          2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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            They should remove all wildcards and also remove negative points for own goals... IMO 🙂

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          3. JT's Dog
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              couldnt use 'winter WC is coming ' then

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              1. Valar(Keith)
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                😆

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            • applebonkers
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              amen

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            • RedLightning
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              Either remove the January Wildcard, or replace the Main and January Wildcards with First Half-Season and Second Half-Season Wildcards. At least we wouldn't then be forced to play one in January and all end up with similar squads.

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          4. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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            Number 1 is a joke, right?

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          5. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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            monthly prize for best performer in that isolated month would be class.

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          6. Valar(Keith)
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            your point number 2.. they get the CS points even if they come on in the 29th minute (i think)

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            1. EmreCan Hustle
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              Is it?

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              1. Valar(Keith)
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                yup.. ive had players coming on in the first 30 mins and getting a CS. i think Reid did that for me last season and Dawson a couple seasons back.

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                1. EmreCan Hustle
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                  In that case ignore this post 😛

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
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                    🙂 no problem mate

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            2. Valar(Keith)
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              and if they reclassify players midseason how do they handle it? they'll be in people's teams in their respective positions. if they change it then a person will suddenly have a midfielder/defender short and a midfielder/defender extra and vice versa? does not make sense to be honest

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          7. Fray Bentos
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            If it ain't broke, don't fix it

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        3. More Points for Passers
          Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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          A change I'd like to see in FPL

          some way to appreciate the pass-master midfielders who don't score or provide the final ball for a goal. be that through points for pass accuracy/completion or for number of chances created/key passes.

          would make teams less template as we re-evaluate midfield options. instead of all picking from a small bunch of goal-getting mids. at the moment there are too many midfielders who simply aren't a fantasy option.

          how can it be a perfect game if a sizeable portion of players aren't contributing to the point dynamics despite being instrumental for their teams?

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          1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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            oh and better prizes! the fact that number 1 in the world is the only one to get something is a joke.

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          2. Valar(Keith)
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            whats an example of a pass master mid who does not get points though? Silva, set piece hogs, eriksen etc get assists anyway for doing just that.. even modric was an ok option 2 years ago(him and lennon both got 140-150 points in that season i remember).. the only guys who are left out are the holding mids like mikel etc and tbh its a good thing they are left out 🙂 .. there's no fun in cheering a tackle and counting passes to check the success rate :)..
            goals, assists, cleanies, saves.. simple yet fun and effective

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            1. Valar(Keith)
              • 16 Years
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              agree with you about prizes though 🙂 .. most seasons theres nothing to play for after GW 30 or so and then its just a habit tbh. the rivalry of ML's depend on the rivals and many people lost interest after Jan. Prizes though would give some incentive 🙂

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            2. Valar(Keith)
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              seen your reply above and agreed as far as soldado etc concerned 🙂 .. there is something beautiful about the frustration of seeing your creative mid lay chances on a plate and have a sub par striker squander it though 🙂 .. the joy goin through the misses until that final goal actually happens is part of fpl.

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            3. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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              someone like modric should be getting more points than that though given his talent/standing/performances

              wilshere didn't have a great season but he is an example of a mid whose work goes un-noticed by FPL unless he assists. mccarthy at everton had a wonderful season but gets no points for his work

              and I disagree that holding mids should get no love. players like that shouldn't be rewarded like they are in McD's but think there is a happy medium

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              1. Wilshere Knowledge
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                The problem with rewarding defensive contributions is that the bad teams accumulate more. So Matic should be priced 5m, and Jedinak should be priced 8m.

                It's just doesn't work to reward the better players.

                I agree with the passer. 1 point for every chance created should suffice. (Not including set pieces) Opta already count these, so it wouldn't be difficult, or extortionate. In yesterday's thrashing for example, Lahm got 3 chances created as the top player, Ozil got 2 as joint second highest.

                1/3 of the points of an assist for the same contribution that leads to goals seems fair.

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                1. Valar(Keith)
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                  Silva created 6-7 chance per game on average if i remember correctly.. and ozil around 5 per game in the epl. would make them perma captain choices and easy 200+ point players when you couple assists and goals. would ruin the game

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                  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                    it could be 1 point for every two/three chances created. just something to recognise their contribution.

                    same with RBs/BSs. if they had 1/3 of the importance they have in McDs I think that could work

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                  2. Dino
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                    Why would it ruin the game? Didn't Yaya get over 200 points last season? Price them all around 12m and everyone would have to make a choice between fixtures and form or destroying their team to put the maximum big hitters in.

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                2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                  but chelsea always park the bus so matic would rake them in!

                  i do see your point though

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                3. Billy Gilmore
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                  Chances created is a terrible stat though imo. I remember Kyle Walker getting millions at the start of last season, simply because he'd pass it to Townsend who'd then launch it into row z.

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                  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                    good point. he would be a freak anomaly though wouldn't he?

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            4. Dino
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              with the new bonus system the creative mids are way down on their old points totals. There is no value in assisting mids now only the goal scoring ones (and even then they are not getting as much bonus as before and are overvalued as a result).

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          3. Valar(Keith)
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            one thing they could change is giving negative bps for shots off target is just insane though 🙂 .. they should get rid of that. the more shots a striker takes the less bps he's likely to get madness

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            1. applebonkers
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              i think -1 for every 3 shots off target is fair enough

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              1. Valar(Keith)
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                is it for every 3? 😯 .. based on how many times suarez lost his bonus points post match i thought it was for every 1.. seems fine then

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                1. Billy Gilmore
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                  Suarez lost his baps for being dispossessed so many times, not shots off target.

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                  1. Dino
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                    Losing bps for getting dispossessed is wrong too imo as attacking fb's, wingers and fwds have to be brave enough to take on people in order to create chances. Either they need to increase the bps for beating an opponent or reduce the bp's for getting dispossessed imo

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                    1. applebonkers
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                      this is true. say you have -1 for being dispossesed 3 times then a +1 should be there for completing 3 dribbles

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                2. applebonkers
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                  suarez was more getting dispossessed. when you try and dribble 300 times a match then unless you are messi you'll lose the ball a lot

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                  1. Dino
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                    Even Messi would be penalised with this system.

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                      1. Dino
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                        If it is -1 for being dispossessed three times then Messi loses the almost same the same bps as Suarez (Suarez almost 8 take ons per game winning 35% of them = 5 dispossession per game = -1bps avg, Messi just over 8 take ons per game at 50% success = 4.1 disposessions per game = -1bps per game avg)

                        Cracking article though thanks.

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            2. In Like Flynn.
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              None of it takes into account whether the shot is two inches off target or goes for a throw in.

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          4. Billy Gilmore
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            Repost from above...

            I don't get this argument at all personally. Why do we want every player to be ownable? If every player is getting points then that completely removes the skill of the game (see McD for example – makes keeping a CS practically irrelevant for defenders, and goals/assists for mids).

            Would only water down the game imo.

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            1. In Like Flynn.
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              It doesn't work for every player BG, just a greater number of decent options. I think that is the argument.

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              1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                this

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            2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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              not every player would get points, every type of player would get points. a world class holding mid would get points for pass accuracy/completion and key passes/chances created but a terrible one like whelan or palacios would still go un-noticed

              it would make the game more skillful imo as the best managers would be able to find a great balance between goal-scoring mids and passing mids.

              what's the skill in every manager picking 4 number 10s for their midfield slots?

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              1. Billy Gilmore
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                So you'll end up with someone like Matic getting 5-6 points EVERY game. What's the point then?

                The skill in this game comes from picking the players that are likely to score goals/get assists before the fact. Getting players in before a good run of fixtures, spotting form etc.

                The bigger the gap between good and poor options only accentuates the skill required in picking the best players for a given week/period.

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                1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
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                  against teams that chelsea dominates he wouldn't. the mids who are further forward creating would also get slightly more points from chances created/key passes on top of scoring so they would still score more than the matic types.

                  I think a great example is Gerrard. everyone was banging on about how reliant he is on set plays/pens for points. that a player like him who is a talisman for his team doesn't score points in open play is ridiculous

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                2. In Like Flynn.
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                  Then everyone whining about template teams, as most "Skill" has been removed by the vast amount of available information on here and one or two other sites.

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                  1. Billy Gilmore
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                    But having the template team doesn't get you far does it? You're hardly going to win the game with it, are you?

                    Template teams are more an issue to do with the information on here and other sites rather than the scoring system. A different scoring system will still have superior options, they may be different, but they'll still exist.

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          5. In Like Flynn.
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            This is why Metro and the Guardian game before it were such good games. The overall point scoring was far better balanced.

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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              Do you remember the Guardian Game? We had to have two DMs ...

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              1. In Like Flynn.
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                It was the game of choice for the pub ML Doosra.

                Which proves it was better! 😉

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              2. In Like Flynn.
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                I don't remember having to have two defensive mids. I know CBs were the players of choice and got huge scores.

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                  I wish I had known you then.

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
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                    I think I came on here just before the end of the last season the Guardian was running.
                    We badgered them not to cancel the game but to deaf ears.

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                      I wrote an excoriating letter to the Marketing department, after having one of "those" conversations with the then features editor.

                      She ended up claiming that the marketing department couldn't be arsed to look for new sponsors, and she couldn't see the point of "a silly boys' game"!!! 😆

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                2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                  Don't you remember Gareth Barry's HUGE Season?

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
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                    Oh yes. Hard to believe now.

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            2. dmcqt
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              The Guardian game over-rewarded defenders and defensive midfielders. I remember Michael Turner being the most desirable player for a while!

              A change I would like to see is for the value of players to be closer in line with their real-life value and for the points earned to be a reflection of this. This would make it harder to have many top-level strikers and more important to balance a squad. I'm not sure in practice how the points earned would do this...

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                I don't agree. I believe they got it spot on.

                I would like to see that game engine resurrected.

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              2. In Like Flynn.
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                I'd agree on the CBs and DMs , but fixing that is only the odd tweak here or there.

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          6. Rasping Drive
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            Play the Metro game then.

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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              The interface is crap.

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              1. In Like Flynn.
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                Interface-schminter face, it's the game that's important. All the stats and stuff can be gleaned elsewhere.

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                  If they can't be bothered to store my username, and won't allow my password to be stored on my computer, then I can't be bothered to log on!

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
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                    Well you no longer have the option so , .........................................

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              2. In Like Flynn.
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                *Was*

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              3. Rasping Drive
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                I actually had a go at it last season, but lost interest about 10 gameweeks in. I think we were in Flynny's league 🙂

                If I could be bothered to study the rules and points system I am sure I could get to enjoy it. But FPL takes up enough time as it is and I find it much more fun. So FPL only for me

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            2. In Like Flynn.
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              I wish I could. 😥

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        4. r0nh
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          Arsene Wenger 4 eva!!!

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        5. Somalion
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          Hello?

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          1. Somalion
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            Is it me you're looking for?

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            1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
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              i can see it in your eyes

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              1. Somalion
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                I can see it in your smile

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                1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
                  • 11 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  you're all ive ever wanted..

                  ok ill stop now 😀

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    😥 Thought I had you committing to me!

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                    1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
                      • 11 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      if thats what you want, im up for it 😉

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            2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              No. Frankly.

              Sorreee! 😀

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                You used to be so loving 😥

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  I've lost that loving feeling! 😉

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    😉 I hope that I don't fall in love with you.

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                      1. Somalion
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        One of my very favourites actually 😀

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          2. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Is there anybody out there?

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            1. r0nh
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Just nod if u can hear me

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            2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Only the lonely. 😉

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          3. r0nh
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            This reminds me of that song...

            Vertigo by U2

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Ewwwwwwwwww.

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          4. Big_Andy_GAWA
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Is it me you're looking for...?

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Incorrect, it was actually tea I was looking for!

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        6. r0nh
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Anyone fancy going to Amsterdam with me next week?

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            o/

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            1. r0nh
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Nice!!

              I will book my flight 🙂

              It can be your celebration for winning!!

              Or, a dirty weekend away 😉

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                I'll drive us there in my Kia

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                1. r0nh
                  • 14 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  I live in Ireland...

                  I will book the boat then!

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                2. iCon
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  What position you in now Bubz?

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                  1. r0nh
                    • 14 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    He is on top 😉

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                    1. iCon
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      I see what you did there - so slick I bearly noticed 😉

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                  2. Bubz
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    Well... I was 10th half an hour ago but have slipped down now after removing Hummels (c) and David Luiz. Hopefully not having had a captain play yet bodes well for me, you'd think that those ahead will have captained Muller or something.

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      Who are you going to captain? I am going to award it to Higuain.

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                      1. Bubz
                        • 12 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        I haven't decided yet. Have De Vrij, Garay, Masch and Messi to choose from..

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                        1. iCon
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 14 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          Have the same plus Rojo; there's merit to giving it to any of them!

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                        2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 16 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          I have the first there plus Rojo and Wijnaldum

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                          1. iCon
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 14 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            Got both of them, but reckon Wijnaldum won't make it to my XI

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                            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              Yep. Annoying that.

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                    2. iCon
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      Hopefully - I'm holding off to see if I can creep into the top 100 before making my substitutions 😉

                      Out of interest what's your total score?

                      Well done btw!

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          2. Big_Andy_GAWA
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Aye, I'll meet ye at Belfast International whenever suits. You get the flights an' I'll be there... 😉

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          3. Big_Andy_GAWA
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I'll meet you at Belfast International. You say when...

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        7. The Pep Revolution
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Hopefully a good addition that will help City retain the title

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          1. r0nh
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            5 goals in his entire career.

            Essential!!!

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            1. The Pep Revolution
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              I really don't think his goal scoring ability is what City are looking for. He is a quality defensive midfielder from reading the reports on him.

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            2. OShaughnessy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              "A player who is no stranger to incurring the referee’s wrath – over the course of his career, the 26-year-old has picked up 71 bookings and been dismissed on six occasions."

              http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/577-willem-dafoe.jpg

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              1. The Pep Revolution
                • 14 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                He will have to be careful in the derbies so haha.

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          2. OShaughnessy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            As the article aluded to, City certainly suffered with their lack of depth in the middle of the park last year.

            This signing will undoubtedly help better rest / rotate their midfield players; especially during those cold winter stretches with midweek CL commitments...

            On the whole, a very prudent signing.

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            1. The Pep Revolution
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Fernandinho played nearly every match last season up to the final month. He needs someone to rotate with. Same reason Sagna was bought, he will help provide cover to Zab. City may not be buying as much as others in the league this summer but certainly buying smart. Hopefully will pay off in the coming season.

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        8. Your Mum's Athletic
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Who's gonna win tonight lads? what would you bet?

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Argies win to nil I reckon. But that could be catastrophically wrong.

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            1. Your Mum's Athletic
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              dont fancy holland at all?

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Not really. But it's been so unpredictable that I could be very wrong. I'm staying away from betting on this game.

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          2. Sir Atej
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Robben steal the show imo

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            1. Your Mum's Athletic
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              think he genuinely could

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          3. tm245
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I would like eight total goals again with a 5-3 Argentina win, but I think a 2-1 is more likely.

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            1. Your Mum's Athletic
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              2-1 both ways is 10-1

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          4. Zep
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            If I had to bet on it, I'd side with the Argies...

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            1. Your Mum's Athletic
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              AET?

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          5. Big_Andy_GAWA
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            BTTS.

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          6. OShaughnessy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Said Argentina from the outset.

            Home field advantage & the best player on planet make them a tough out.

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          7. The Missing Link
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Dutch to win with Robben goal

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          8. applebonkers
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            2-2 then who knows

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        9. tm245
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Is the Sanchez deal to Arsenal official? Just skimming headlines and they all seem to say that it is only close.

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          1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            should be within 24 hours...,

            will be announced alongside unveiling of puma kit

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          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            We believe that it is sealed, yes.

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            1. Big_Andy_GAWA
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Getting him in from day one, lads? 🙂

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              1. tm245
                • 14 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Price will be everything for Arsenal mids, though Theo is the first player in my squad regardless. So price is nearly everything, actually.

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              2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                No. 🙂

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          3. tm245
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Cheers. I like this, especially if we can get Remy in the fold as well.

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        10. kalmoffit
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          I have Lavezzi in both of my teams. Is there anyone out there to reassure me that he's not a useless waste of space?

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          1. iCon
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            *tumbleweed

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          2. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            no

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          3. tm245
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I have Aguero as a mandatory sub if that makes you feel better.

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          4. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            He will probably do not much and then Aguero will come on for him tbh

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            1. kalmoffit
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Humph. Well this ship's going down with him on it.

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          5. OShaughnessy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Is he even going to start with Aguero back?

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        11. Kroos Kontrol
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Those who stick captains, who r you taking?

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        12. Somalion
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          F**k off Lewandowski.

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            +42. 😉

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              😉

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          2. OShaughnessy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Sure Lew can be a jerk, but what did Owski ever do to you?!

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Shagged my Mrs!!!

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        13. Sir Atej
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          can anyone remember how much ownership ramsey had at his peak?

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Lots.

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          2. tm245
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            ~55%, I think.

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          3. The Missing Link
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            58% was the highest I remember

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            1. Sir Atej
              • 11 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              not exceeded 60% ?

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        14. Ten Season Wonder
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Garay, Macherano, Messi or Robben... who to Captain??

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          1. Sir Atej
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Robben

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        15. Bun Rab
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          http://www.footymatters.com/reviews/kit/liverpool-complete-201415-collection-with-new-third-kit/

          What do we think? Like the collar.

          "Incorporating polyester mesh pique into the main body of the shirt" 😯 Shakira will be upset...

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          1. Somalion
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            What the hell is that?!?!

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            1. Bun Rab
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Was what i thought. Collar is nice tho...

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Yeah, ah I'm not too much of a fan of those collars! But I can appreciate that that's just me being weird 😛

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        16. The ginger cafu
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Just been called up to the Brazil squad, which is nice.

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            You need to photoshop his hair to ginger in your grav shirley

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            1. The ginger cafu
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              I keep meaning to but then something mildly interesting appears on the television and it's back to the drawing board

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        17. SaZz
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Want to take out Luiz (6) and bring in Biglia. Is it worth it?
          Anyone know if he's starting tonight?

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        18. Tomopinder77
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          CAPTAIN CHOICE!

          A )Messi
          OR
          B )Robben

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          1. kalmoffit
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Why is this even a question? Rojo will have his arms and legs all over Robben. Messi to score big.

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        19. Big_Andy_GAWA
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Posts keep disappearing on here and then appearing again after refreshing a couple of times. Strange... 🙄

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Yes, I 've noticed that.

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          2. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I was experiencing that last night. I assumed it was a chacheing problem

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              The servers are doing the cha-cha? No wonder ... 😀

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                😀

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        20. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Any chance Fernandez comes back in for Demichelis to better cope with Robben's pace?

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          1. VougieDipond
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            that would be a boot in the teeth for many on here.

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            1. Bubz
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Fernandez isn't very pacey himself, but has a top speed that is 2.6km/h faster than Demichelis which could make all the difference when facing the likes of Robben

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              1. I ❤ U SNODGRASS
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Top speed like a Jurassic Park dinosaur?

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                1. Bubz
                  • 12 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  Are you on crack Snoddy?

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                  1. I ❤ U SNODGRASS
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    No but I just ate a giant cookie

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              2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Hahaha. You cannot be serious! 😀

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                1. Zombie
                  • 12 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  I thought the cartel didn't fool around

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          2. MITHRRANDIRR
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            argentina defend deep though

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            1. Bubz
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              True

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        21. ...---...
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Excellent, Argentina on the drift. I can only imagine it's because the bookmakers got quite greedy last night (Germany @ 2/1 😯 ) and were subsequently absolutely hammered by the professionals. They're hoping to get their money back quickly but they've chose the wrong team to lay tonight. It's time for potential winners to show their hands and Argentina will be cosy victors against this bunch.

          Thanks Paddy.

          2 : 0 (Messi 1 goal 1 assist, Higuain 1 goal, 1 assist).

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I agree

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          2. VougieDipond
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Defo. I was on Germany on various bets that all came up trumps. Although 3-1 and Mueller would of made me rich.
            Will be on Argentina tonight. Maybe not as comfortable but still fancy them to get the job done in the 90

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          3. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            lol the pros were on Brazil last night mate... they dont always get it right 😉

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          4. wood is good
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            im thinking of going for both 1-0 messi first and 2-0 messi anytime.
            that game last night was easy money

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        22. I ❤ U SNODGRASS
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Does anyone else have this Enzo Perez person? Is he likely to play?

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          1. kalmoffit
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Someone has to replace Do Maria. No one sure who.

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            1. I ❤ U SNODGRASS
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Will wait for line ups. Hopefully I don't forget this time.

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          1. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            😆 😆 😆

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        23. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Any of you desperately young whippersnappers ever heard Juliette Greco?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKKFGedanjU

          😉

          She used to feck Miles Davis, and drink with Orson Welles. Magnifique! She is 86, this year, if memory serves ...

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          1. Somalion
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Wonderfully French, just in time for my holidays 😀

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              There you go! 😀

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                I feel she note has a new fan, very much so up my alley!

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                1. Somalion
                  • 15 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  *now

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          2. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Quite French 😉 good though!

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Mmm. Just a soupçon!!! 😆

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              1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                On the contrary, quite the glob of Francaise 😉 haha

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        24. applebonkers
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          last night summed up luiz perfectly, and not the player but reactions of him. one bad game and being a player of the tournament previously is irrelavant. like when alan hansen used to have to wait 3 or 4 months to have a go at his defending then make out like it was a weekly thing.
          luiz = neuer = lloris = 2013/14 kompany. they take risks above and beyond, and they're allowed to because they're amongst the best in the business. as a result they'll make a bigger howler than the average player every now and then though. the weird thing is luiz isn't treated the same as neuer, lloris and kompany

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            For me, he has been a revelation this tournament. Within the ghastly context of the match, I thought he had a reasonable game, actually.

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          2. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Was thinking about attempting to make the same point but glad I didn't as it probably wouldn't have been nearly so eloquently done.

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          3. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Luiz is an incredibly talented individual, I think he could potentially be one of the best defensive mids in the world, but he lacks the discipline for CB.

            Kompany roams from CB but he always gets back in time, Luiz left Dante horrendously exposed last night and just look at how Luiz lost Muller for the first goal..

            Great player but definitely a liability at CB.

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            1. applebonkers
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              actually think defensive midfield requires more discipline as there are greater distances to cover, CB is just a different pressure as there isn't the safety net of another line of players behind you

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              1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Greater distances doesn't mean more discipline, it just takes more work ethic.

                At CB you can't let ANYthing past you, because if you do, they'll probably beat the keeper.

                At CDM, you can let them past you and you can roam, so long as you do enough that your defence isn't overrun, you just have to break up play wherever the play is. David Luiz is excellent at this, and he always roams further up the field to put pressure on the opposition (on the front foot all the time) but when he roams forward, that's when Kroos loses Paulinho and strolls up into David Luiz's supposed position, unmarked, and then scores.

                Thiago Silva covered Luiz's antics by being one of the best readers of the game around at the moment. Without Thiago, and with the much more static Dante, they were completely found out.

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  Both you and Bubz are in danger of being - no, in fact you are - guilty of undervaluing the German performance, in all its glory.

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                  1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    No don't get me wrong, the German performance was the reason for the 7 goals, they were awesome, but Brazil were also a complete farce defensively.

                    Watch the 7 goals again and just look at how much space every single one of them was left with when they scored. There's a reason this doesn't happen often, the defence normally stick to their men, Brazil couldn't keep their shape or stick on their individual men. It was embarrassing positional sense from Brazil

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                    1. Fray Bentos
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      agree with this wholeheartedly

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                      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        🙂

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                2. FPL Daniel
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  Luiz is shit. Period. Overrrated too

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          4. applebonkers
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            *being a player of the tournament candidate

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          5. Somalion
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I'm not sure why he isn't, possibly because of rotation at club level. Good point.

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              But I can't say I thought he had even a decent game unfortunately. There are times when risks are warranted but I fear he should have adopted the steering rock role in the centre of defence.

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          6. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I thought Luiz was a disgrace last night personally. He completely abandoned his teammates in an attempt at self glorification. Surely he had to take on board that Thiago wasn't there and adapt accordingly. He was given the armband and showed no sense of pride whatsoever after they went 3 down. What he did to Muller when he ignored there was a match going on and instead ran at him with the ball and attempted to clean him out was deserving of a red and a ban if he had made any contact like he intended. One of the worst defensive performances I've ever seen.

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            1. Irish Madridista ⭐
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Thank you, I'm not alone.

              No CB has a decent game and concedes 7 goals.

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              1. applebonkers
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                who said he was decent?

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                1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                  • 15 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  Nobody, I just think he deserves the criticism he's getting for last night, I'd be worried if I just spent 50 mill on him, unless I had a plan for how to cope with his obvious faults.

                  He has so much raw potential but he needs to be tamed into something specific, because he's neither a CB nor a CDM at the moment.

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    I think he's actually a CM with a view to attacking if paired with a CM that can defend. I agree, he's very talented.

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            2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              I think that you have lost your mind, Bubz. 🙂

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                We must have been watching different matches if you think Luiz put in a reasonable performance last night.

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  I imagine we were. I was paying attention. 😉

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                  1. Bubz
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    You must have forgotten to pay attention to the 7 goals that Germany walked into the Brazilian goal.

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      Se above. I just read them differently from you. 🙂

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                      1. Bubz
                        • 12 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        Granted, it was exceptional play from Germany, and it's not like Luiz's teammates did him any favours either. But it was his job to keep them together at the back last night and he failed miserably.

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                      2. Jack Frost
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        Goal, Goal, Goal, Goal, Goal, Goal, Goal, plus Luiz cried.

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              2. Van Dal
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                thats twice now doos 😉

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  Twice what, Marr?

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                  1. Bubz
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    That I've lost my mind 😆

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                  2. Van Dal
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    That you have made, lets just say controversial statements.

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      You mean, ones that, in your Olympian wisdom, you do not agree with?

                      I am happy with that. I am sure that you are. Not ever really guilty of self-doubt, are you?

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                      1. Van Dal
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        To be fair I am not the only one who disagrees. Maybe you should take other peoples comments on board. It just seems you stand by your statements whether you know they are right or wrong just because someone else opposes.

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            3. applebonkers
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              no chance it was self glorification, that's absurd. being too desperate for brazil to win maybe, magnified by being the captain for once (probably not best suited to being a captain personality wise)

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                He was galloping forward towards the opposition's box and then strolling back to his the entire match.

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                1. applebonkers
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                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  that's basic physiology

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                  1. Wilshere Knowledge
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    Rule No.1 of defending: Dont go forward if you cant get back. Kids know this.

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      So does Jagielka. Where does that get us?

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                      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        Not 7-0 down 😉

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                        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 16 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          Perhaps. But it leads down some very dark alleys.

                          I think that dictum is abject nonsense.

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                          1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                            • 15 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            You think it's abject nonsense for a CB to not go forward if he can't get back?

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                            1. Dino
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              The system Brazil were playing seemed to have Gustavo's role as the man who was supposed to cover for the cb's when they went forward. Gustavo is a terrible footballer and although Brazil do need a player like this in cm I can't believe they couldn't find one better than him. He was anonymous yesterday and both his and Fernandinho's performance's were far worse than Luiz's imo.

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                      2. Wilshere Knowledge
                        • 12 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        You win the award for the most fatuous comment of the day. I'm sorry, but you saying he put in a decent performance is the equivolent of me saying a chicken is a plant. It's ludacrous. He was abysmal.

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                        1. Bubz
                          • 12 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          😆

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                        2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 16 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          So, now it's personal abuse. A very strong argument, I must say.

                          And no, he was not abysmal - but your augment is. 🙂

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                          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 16 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            *arguement! 😀

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                            1. Billy Gilmore
                              • 13 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              *argument

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                          2. The Machine
                            • 12 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            How is that personal abuse? it's equivalent to you "often" calling some opinions "rubbish" or something along those lines (granted some of those opinions deserve that)

                            And defo not as bad as calling others "onanist"

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                          3. Wilshere Knowledge
                            • 12 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            That wasnt personal abuse, it was me saying your comment was ridiculous.

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                          4. Bubz
                            • 12 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            Don't think he was personally abusing you Doos

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                            1. Somalion
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              No but many of the chickens on here were shocked 😉

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                    2. applebonkers
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                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      not even usain bolt can get back quicker than a football. i don't get this point.
                      don't lose the ball would be my advice to kids

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                  2. Bubz
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    If it's basic physiology then he probably shouldn't do it when his team is getting taken apart and their best defender isn't on the pitch.

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                    1. Somalion
                      • 15 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      Exactly, there's a time and a place.

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                      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        Maybe. But when you are up to your arse in alligators, it it sometimes hard to remember that your original objective was to drain the swamp ... 😉

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                        1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                          • 15 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          😆 nicely put

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                        2. Somalion
                          • 15 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          😉 And I think that is exactly at the core of this, he seems more likely to forget that objective than the likes of Kompany etc. who make mad decisions occasionally. Or at least, that is how he appears!

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                          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 16 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            Well put. The other night, Kompany had a crap game. Nobody commented.

                            One of the most overrated CBs on here.

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                            1. Van Dal
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              And theirs the hat-trick

                              😆

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                            2. Somalion
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              I would somewhat agree that very often when he cocks up it is ignored but when he's good it is widely lauded. Somewhat different to Luiz in that regard, while I do honestly believe he did not have a good game, the daggers are out whenever he makes a mistake. I thought Marcelo and Maicon were worse or, at the very least, as culpable.

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                            3. Somalion
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              But what I will say for Luiz, the reason I love him, is that he is like a Brazilian of old. Incredibly passionate and fiery, loves the game, actually has a lot of talent and ability. I'm surprised he's never been given the role of attacking CM.

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                            4. Dino
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              TBF both Luiz and Kompany are excellent defenders imo.

                              Defending has moved on since the days of Pallister and Bruce or Adams and Keown/Bould. Back then one of the defenders would attack the ball in the air while the other would cover behind whereas now defenders try and attack the ball on the ground too with the other defenders/def mids covering the runners should the ball break.

                              I'm not passing comment on which is better but usually progress/evolution leads to improvement.

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                    2. applebonkers
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                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 5 months ago

                      agree. he rolled the dice too much. the runs started when brazil went behind, losing 7-1 is no different to 2-0, brazil are out. he shouldn't have been forcing the issue as a centre back with 70 odd minutes still to go. it was wrong and it probably set the tone for the whole team to be too desperate. he probably needed another captain to give him a verbal slap and just do the job he'd been doing all tournament and trust the midfield and attack to make things happen (although would you trust fred, hulk and bernard?).
                      ahh, that last bit sounds like a fanboy retrospective comment plucked to aid. it was a horror game. that's the thing, it was 1 game, it was nothing like his other brazil performances as he's never been captain and they've never been losing by a couple of goals. that's the main difference, not thiago silva

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                      1. Bubz
                        • 12 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        I just think he has a tremendous naivety that a player like Kompany doesn't. Kompany may take risks, but they are calculated. I honestly think Luiz just acts off instinct and doesn't really think about the bigger picture most of the time.

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                        1. applebonkers
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 16 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          he does seem very instinctive for sure, and on paper that's better suited to attacking players. the risks were stupid in hindsight, but say one of his runs made it 1-1 or pulled it back to 2-1, then he's a hero. (tbh the risks were probably stupid in foresight too, i'll give you that. this was a unique footballing & social situation i think brazil found themselves in so added to going behind & feeling like the captain/culprit/a senior player it was a recipe for disaster for luiz)
                          and yes to below the corner being a nightmare, i can't remember who it was specifically as i was too busy facepalming. this is sort of my point really too, i don't automatically trust when people have a go at luiz for a goal any more

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                      2. Irish Madridista ⭐
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        But the very first goal was directly Luiz's fault, he was given the job of marking Muller, he failed, muller scored, then he proceeded to start running all over the place to make up for his own mistake, and that backfired into the worst result in history for them.

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                        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 16 Years
                          11 years, 5 months ago

                          That is just how you choose to read it.

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                          1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                            • 15 Years
                            11 years, 5 months ago

                            How do you read it then? Because the first goal was Luiz's man scoring from the 6 yard box from a corner with Luiz standing 2 metres away.

                            Great movement from Germany, great set piece, good execution, but Luiz lost his man.

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                            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              He did. I never said that he had a GOOD match, and he DID make several mistakes.

                              BUT ... you can turn it round the other way, and say that it was GREAT movement by Müller. 🙂

                              And where was Gustavo?

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                            2. Somalion
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              Gustavo, the while tournament, was useless and I'm furious he played.

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                            3. Billy Gilmore
                              • 13 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              I'm sorry Doos, but a man being yards in the clear in the centre of the penalty area is nothing but poor marking/defending.

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                            4. Irish Madridista ⭐
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              Ah Gustavo was useless and invisible too, none of the defensive players had a good game, but I don't think Luiz even had a reasonable game, which was your original point.

                              I think Luiz contributed more to the defeat than anyone on the pitch, Maicon and Gustavo and Marcelo might have had even worse games, but it was up to Luiz to keep the ship steady in Thiago's absence, he was the stand in captain and in a game like that against someone as good as Germany, you cannot leave your post and abandon your teammates, he did exactly that on numerous occasions. Doesn't matter what his intentions were, he was absent where he was needed.

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                            5. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              I agre - he made a mistake. He made several - BUT, I think that he had a reasonable game.

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                            6. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              Well, I disagree with you. 🙂

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                            7. Irish Madridista ⭐
                              • 15 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              Haha ok fair enough 🙂

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                            8. applebonkers
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                              • 16 Years
                              11 years, 5 months ago

                              gustavo was one of the biggest shocks for me as he normally looks good. germany's middle 3 is obviously awesome but gustavo still was making so many unforced errors. and fernandinho, wow, unrecognisable from the really promising debut season at man city

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                      3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 5 months ago

                        Fred and Hulk. Says it all. Don't think that I have ever seen such crappers at this level.

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              2. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                I think the whole thing comes down to personality really, the rest of those names still give off the image of knowing exactly what they're doing when they take a risky run etc. Luiz doesn't give that, it seems more like he's momentarily lost the head.

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          7. Wilshere Knowledge
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Running 50 yards forward, and then walking back, isnt a mistake stemming from high risk play, it is stupid, childish and selfish.

            He makes far too many mistakes a it is, but last night he made about 100 mistakes.

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            1. HuttonDressedasLahm
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              I'm in the "rubbish" camp
              You could blame him on all goals, either positional or just damn right laziness

              There was 1 example when he was on the edge of the penalty area literally watching what happened without moving

              On going 1/2-0 down they needed a cool, calm captain and CB to steady the ship

              He couldn't handle it

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          8. tm245
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            I'm late to this conversation, but Focusing on any one player from that match instead of an entire organization's -- and nation's for that matter -- absurd deification of an injured Neymar is a bit unfair.

            They came into that match with their reason for losing hash tagged and ready for sale, and they got just what they deserved. The players were merely props for a marketing campaign of martyrdom, which coming from the host country is one of the worst examples of hospitality imaginable. They looked as if they had signed up for a WC semifinal only to find themselves on stage at some bizarre benefit concert.

            David Luiz played abjectly, but he bears little responsibility for that defeat.

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          9. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Well said AB, it will be interesting to see how PSG do with Thiago and Luiz as their cb's in the CL next season.

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        25. joshjake
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Anyone know the date of fantasy.premierleague.com will be up and running for the new season?

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          1. SouthCoastSaint
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            When Jupiter aligns with Mars

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Nearly. 🙂

              "When the moon is in the Seventh House
              And Jupiter aligns with Mars
              Then peace will guide the planets
              And love will steer the stars

              This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
              Age of Aquarius
              Aquarius! Aquarius!

              Harmony and understanding
              Sympathy and trust abounding
              No more falsehoods or derisions
              Golden living dreams of visions
              Mystic crystal revelation
              And the mind's true liberation
              Aquarius! Aquarius!"

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              1. The Enlightener
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                I have entered the Fifth Dimension.

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                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  I think we all need to go there. 😆

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          2. mipola
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Any day next week.

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        26. The 12th Man
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Tour de France looks dicey today. Rain and cobbles don't go well together.

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        27. Don Andres
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Could somebody please tell me how to change formation in the McD game?

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          1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            There are 5 steps
            1. Kneel down
            2. Clasp hands together
            3. Close eyes
            4. Pray
            5. Put your hands in the air like you are David Luiz

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          2. kalmoffit
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Take out a player first, from the position you are reducing.

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            1. Don Andres
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Thank you!

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        28. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          I thought Marcelo and Maicon had worse games than Luiz last night. But that doesn't play into the narrative as well for the media since Luiz is now a 40-50 mill player

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          1. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Maicon was a joke, he's so past it, at least Marcelo put a few tackles in and got forward a bit, Maicon did feck all 😛

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            1. The Enlightener
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Maicon does look a wee bit washed up. Too slow.

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          2. Wilshere Knowledge
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Marcelo was absolutely dreadful. Made Andres Santos look like Ashley Cole.

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            1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              if you were looking for the best left back to play in the PL then you were after Denis Irwin, not Cashley

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              1. Wilshere Knowledge
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Ive never seen Irwin though, so Cole is my reference point. 🙂

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              2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                Hooray!!! I CERTAINLY agree with that!!! 🙂

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                1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                  • 12 Years
                  11 years, 5 months ago

                  As good as Cole defensively and with a similar trophy haul but with much more attacking threat and 33 goals. Try telling that to a Chelsea fan though!

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    Agreed.

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                  2. Irish Madridista ⭐
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 5 months ago

                    +1

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          3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Well said Sir!

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          4. MITHRRANDIRR
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            it looked like Marcelo was being told to attack with Gustavo covering.He was going forward a lot before they conceded.

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            1. kalmoffit
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              It seemed like the whole Brazilian team had been told they were Neymar's replacement.

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        29. The 12th Man
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          Chris Froome abandons Tour after another crash.

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 5 months ago

            Good. Onanist.

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            1. Irish Madridista ⭐
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 5 months ago

              Oh Doos 😆

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 5 months ago

                I really can't stand Froome. Sets my teeth on edge.

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        30. Bambi
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 5 months ago

          so i have to choose a captain from Sniejder, Mascherano, Messi, Robben, Garay, Rojo or De Vrij - Is staying safe and going Mascherano for his guaranteed 9-10 points a good idea?

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