634x258 Injuries
12 January 2015 1760 comments
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With the ten matches in Gameweek 21 already played out, we take a look at the new additions to the treatment rooms up and down the country.

Arsenal
Arsene Wenger has a number of worries in defence ahead of the Gunners’ weekend trip to City. Kieran Gibbs missed Sunday’s win over Stoke with an ankle problem, Calum Chambers was sidelined due to illness, whilst Mathieu Debuchy was stretchered off with a shoulder injury, following a challenge by Marko Arnautovic. After the match, the Gunners boss revealed:

“He (Debuchy) has a dislocated shoulder. It’s difficult – you need a diagnosis from a specialist. We don’t know yet but he will certainly not play next week. Kieran Gibbs still has an inflamed ankle. The test yesterday told us it didn’t work. Chambers was sick. I took him with the team but I decided at the last minute to leave him out of the squad because he’s been sick in the last two days.”

Chelsea
Cesar Azpilicueta lasted just 38 minutes of the weekend win over Newcastle before succumbing to injury. After the match, assistant boss Steve Holland confirmed the Spaniard is set to be assessed:

“He has a slight groin issue, we don’t think it’s a major problem but we’ll know more when they do the scans in the next few days.”

Holland also explained why Thibaut Courtois was only fit enough for the bench, as Petr Cech was handed a rare top-flight start between the posts:

“Thibaut had an injury to his finger which he sustained in the Tottenham game; he could have played but he had some pain. We’re so fortunate to have two goalkeepers at the highest level and it was an easy decision to make in the end, why take the risk?”

Hull
Steve Bruce faces a crisis up front after both his first-choice strikers were forced off before half-time in Saturday’s loss at West Brom. The Tigers boss confirmed Abel Hernandez could be out for a month with a groin injury before rolling out an update on the Uruguayan’s strike partner, Nikica Jelavic:

“Jelavic hurt the knee that was operated on two months ago. It is not like him to come off, so there’s something wrong. He felt it a bit yesterday, but wanted to play. We do fear it is something niggling away. We just hope it’s not a recurrence of the previous injury.”

Liverpool
Steven Gerrard was subbed off at the break during the Reds’ narrow win at Sunderland. Post-match, Brendan Rodgers played down any concerns over a potential injury:

“It was just precautionary. He’ll have a scan on his hamstring. It just felt a little bit tight, so we’ll just need to manage that and see how it is.”

Man United
Robin van Persie is set for ankle scans after being forced off during yesterday’s home loss to Southampton. After the match, Louis van Gaal explained the reasons behind the withdrawal of Luke Shaw and Angel Di Maria:

“Shaw was not injured but he needs match rhythm. Also Di Maria, he is not injured but he needs match rhythm. That is why I had to change. Of course, we have players who are coming back but then we also need match rhythm. It is not so simple to play in the Premier League, so I have to adapt to the circumstances.”

Newcastle
Young keeper Jak Alnwick dropped out of the squad for Saturday’s trip to Chelsea due to a shoulder problem. The stopper took to Twitter to reveal he underwent physio work at the weekend “to get my shoulder right”. Adam Armstrong was initially amongst the subs for the Stamford Bridge clash but picked up an injury during the warm-up.

Southampton
The Saints face an anxious wait over Toby Alderweireld, with Ronald Koeman fearing the centre-half could be out for “some weeks” with the hamstring problem that forced him off early against United. The Belgian left Old Trafford on crutches and is set for scans over the next couple of days.

Sunderland
Steven Fletcher missed Saturday lunchtime’s loss to Liverpool due to a groin problem, whilst fellow forward Jozy Altidore missed out due to illness, the club’s official Twitter feed has confirmed.

Stoke
Mark Hughes rolled out an injury update after both Steven Nzonzi and Erik Pieters were replaced at the break in Sunday’s loss at Arsenal. The Potter boss also discussed why be subbed off Bojan midway through the second-half:

“It was nothing tactical it was purely down to the fact that they had both felt a slight strain in the groins, so that was obviously a disappointment. We will have to settle them down over the next day or two and then assess it from there. Towards the end of the game we thought it would be best to protect Bojan and that was the reasoning behind taking him off. He has picked up a few niggles towards the end of matches recently and we didn’t want to allow that to be the case once more.”

West Ham
Alex Song missed the Hammers weekend trip to Swansea due to illness.

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  1. whitepool
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Playing wildcard today. Team is set except do I keep A) Costa & Silva plus 3.4m or go to B) Aguero & Fabregas plus 1.2 left?

    I am thinking A) with the option to do B depending on how Aguero does. I hate to give up a big gain in Costa.

    Team: Foster, Guzan
    Ivanovich, Bertrand, Cameron, Tayor, PVA
    Sanchez, Hazard, Silva, Downing, Chadli
    Costa, Kane, Ings

    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Try and go Costa and Aguero if you can. Plenty of money can be trimmed from that squad, imo.

    2. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      aguero and silva?

  2. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Neymar or Bale?

    1. Chambo
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Bale

    2. Red Star Toro
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      as much as I love Bale I think Neymar > Bale

    3. andres
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Ney

    4. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Neymar.

    5. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Neymar

    6. theloveburglar
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      bale

    7. Wouter
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Neymar

  3. andres
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Kane for (c)??

    1. Le Limpar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Alexis (c) for me

    2. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I'm leaning towards Terry

      1. andres
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I guess if you have aguero you go for him right?

        1. Davido989
          • 15 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Hm. Depends if there's an indication on his minutes

  4. JÆKS ⭐
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Forster Hamer
    Bertrand Terry Janmaat PVA Wisdom
    Sanchez Hazard Silva ADM Boyd
    Aguero Kane Austin

    Good wc team?

    1. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Same Front 8 bar ADM for Sterling. Also got Ivan over Terry and Wasilewski instead of Janmaat.

      1. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Don't think Ivan is worth the extra money though, Janmaat has some good fixtures too. And yea Sterling has crossed my mind, maybe he'll come in instead of Silva when he's getting some points again and when Aguero's stealing Silva's points 😀

    2. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Nice

  5. LewanGOALski
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I think I've finally nailed it 😀

    Panti - Krul
    Ivanovic - Clyne - Bertrand - Wisdom - Wasilewski
    Sanchez - Hazard - Downing - Chadli - Boyd
    Aguero - Costa - Kane

    1. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      yes very good. what's the value of your team?

      Excellent choice keeping Costa, can't believe some peeps are selling up !??

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I would think about sneaking Silva if you can, maybe downgrade def

        1. LewanGOALski
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          nah, squeezing Silva in for Downig/Chadli makes too much of a damage to the overall view of this team. Aguero himself will do 😉

      2. Chambo
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Austin > Costa

      3. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        He does score goals for Chelsea but the problem is that Chelsea is just too good. Costa doesn't get lots of bp, only 1 10+ return I guess. Going with Cisse/Berahino/Austin also gets you some goals, maybe not as many as with Costa, but most of the time you'll get 3 bp when they do.

  6. Twisted Melon
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    cresswell and fabregas or hutton and hazard?

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The latter

    2. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The H's

    3. A.T
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      B

    4. Red Star Toro
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      For this GW A, for long term B

    5. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      H & H

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        B

  7. Ludo
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Word of caution on Gardos: he hasn't started over Yoshida on a single occasion this season, who'll be back by GW24 at the latest, potentially even GW23 if Japan make an early exit.

    1. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Thank you - did wonder when Asia cup was going to be finished.

      1. Man Chest Hair United
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        No chance Japan maker an early exit

        1. Ludo
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Very unkikely. Still, the point stands.

  8. The Generalator
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Where is the Silva love? crazy
    4 goals, 2 assists in 5 games,
    Will be assisting Aguero, goals for sure against Arsenal
    Consistently good
    etc, etc, etc

    ADM looking complete tosh

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      😎

    2. Norco
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Im keeping Silva for now

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I think I'm keeping, the alternative is to get rid and bring him back in 3-4 games, would lose out 0.2m

    3. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      This

    4. waitinginthelonggrass
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Transferred ADM in for him last week. It worked out well.

    5. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      i agree, eve last season during a poor return he still bagged 7 goals and 12 assists in 2100 mins. He will better that by a lot this time too

    6. 3 years & counting
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Are players not allowed to have bad games now?

    7. Chambo
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      calm down, just came back from injury and played PLs best defence

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Silva should get more points than ADM over the next 10 games

    8. Melvin Udall
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Totally agree. Trying to understand why peeps are going Adm right now. Have Silva will keep him until Adm proves himself.

  9. Jay10
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    For the ones outside top 1000 and out of the cup..why are we playing this?
    We know we wont get anything at the end season,still we love the dilemma and headche?

    1. UnderstandablyDistraught
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      players gonna play

    2. Punty
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      £1000-1500 in cash leagues

      1. Punty
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Also it's fun and more exciting to watch football

    3. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      its impossible to stop. for some reason people always feel it can turn around no matter how far behind they are

    4. Exdeo
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      it's a hobby, I, personally started to follow premierleague through this:) went to watch 2 games at the stadium since, I liked football before, but never followed a particular league so closely:) and then again how are you going to get inside top 1000 if you give up at the halftime?:) good practice for next season:) did I answer your question?:)

      1. Jay10
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Yes,you did!

  10. LevonCD
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Evening mate
    some opinions please on my team.

    Guzan / Foster

    Bertrand / Azpi / Clichy / Naylor / Hutton

    Sanchez / Silva / Siggy / Haz / Boyd

    Austin / Kun / Kane

    1.6 ITB, Thoughts?

    1. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Tez for Azpi

  11. thischarmingman
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Wasilewski

    1. thischarmingman
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      post fail

    2. andres
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The guy plays for leicester

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        #postfailer

  12. andres
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    WCing after this GW.. How do I use my FT wisely:

    A austin to aguero
    B azpi to XX

    Forster (mccarthy)
    Azpi zab skrtel (naylor hutton)
    Chadli hazard alexis downing (BOyd)
    Austin costa kane
    1FT, 6.9

    1. PMz
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Similar team to mine. In the same boat with Azpi but not got the cash to do Austin > Aguero.

      I am thinking Azpi > Baines for a one week punk until I wildcard.

      1. andres
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Tempted by baines tbh, aguero could do the business tho, serious (c) material...

      2. LevonCD
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        mate how do you have so much balance remaining?

        1. andres
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Sold yaya

  13. Zombie
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Nasty being loaned out is gonna affect City backline or not (from FPL POV of course) ?

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Hardly played this season so no

    2. UnderstandablyDistraught
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      no

    3. andres
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Not at all

    4. Zombie
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Got it. Thanks guys

    5. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      He needs game time

  14. waitinginthelonggrass
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Would you prefer 2 Southampton defenders or one United and one Southampton.

    Thanks

    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      2 saints

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      One of each

    3. andres
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Clyne + bertie

    4. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      2x Soton

  15. lickwidice
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    -------/* I PUT THIS HERE TO GET YOUR ATTENTION */------

    Hart
    Baines, Clichy, Trippier
    Hazard,Sanchez,Sterling,Downing,Boyd
    Kane(c), Aguero

    Bench: Austin, Hutton, Yun

    I did Sakho + Azpil --> Aguero + Trippier for -4

    Should I keep these moves or WC? I took a hit to get in Aguero, wanted to keep wc so I can make use of Baines, Sterling and Downing for one last week
    -------/* I PUT THIS HERE TO GET YOUR ATTENTION */-------

    1. Red Star Toro
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Strong team. Baines and Downing are nice differentials for this GW.

      1. lickwidice
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Thank you... so good to go?

        1. Red Star Toro
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          yes

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Somebody say something

    3. Wonderful Wizard Hazard
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Should be fine for this week. Not sure EVE is guaranteed a clean sheet they way they been playing. Also not sure why you want to hold onto Sterling?

      1. Red Star Toro
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I'd rather have Baines than Chelsea defender for this GW. And he already took a hit, so no point in selling Sterling now. I'd WC next GW.

  16. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    How is this defence for a WC?
    Krul Foster
    Ivan Bertrand Trippier PVA Ba

    1. lickwidice
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Nice... who is BA?

      I thin krul and foster is over kill

      1. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Baird. Not really, they rotate really nicely.Only one week of Bad fixtures when they have City and Arsenal

  17. The Machine
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Does anyone actually believe james' goal was superior to ramsey's against galatasary?

    1. Punty
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      ramseys was after the nominations I think

    2. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Don't think so, but James did it on a global stage and Ramsey did it in an irrelevant CL match. Makes a big difference when voting for this kind of stuff.

    3. Jay10
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      It will go to Lamela next year,so not Ramsey!

    4. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I was surprised that Costa's goal wasn't in the top 3.

      Ramsey's was a peach but I prefer James' one.

    5. Misery Loves Kompany
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Fairly sure the shortlist was made before that flew in.

  18. Feanor
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I'm considering getting Zab in for Baines for the two weeks before I WC.

    Otherwise, I'm not sure what short term move to make.

  19. blind faith
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    What's better?

    A)
    Hutton. Williams. Wisdom. Cissokho. Dummet
    Sanchez. Hazard. Silva. Boyd. Colback/ward prowse
    Kun. Costa. Kane

    B)
    Hutton. Williams. Wisdom. Terry. Bertrand
    Sanchez. Hazard. Silva. Boyd. Chadli.
    Kun. Kane. Austin.

    1. Wonderful Wizard Hazard
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Asking same question we are all asking.. to Costa or not? I wish I knew the answer. At the moment, B looks better to me. Perhaps Fab instead of Silva, but guess you can wait and see on that one.

    2. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Tricky. If you had Costa from the start I would keep and work around that.
      A's defence seems a bit thin though

  20. Hog Roast Junkie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    ______, 4.0m
    ______, Terry, Clyne, Wisdon, Wasil
    ______, Haz, Sanchez, Chadli, Boyd
    Aguero, Costa, Kane

    A) Silva/ADM, Janmaat and Foster
    Or
    B) Downing, Baines and Forster

  21. melvinmbabazi
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Rooney -> Aguero for free
    Yay or Nay

    1. thischarmingman
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Yes

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        erm yes !

  22. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Would you sacarfice your defence for this front 8 ??

    ADM - Hazard - Silva - Sanchez - Boyd

    Aguero - Costa - Kane

    1. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Yep. Probably will do as well.

      1. Somalion
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Though I possibly will look at other players for that ADM spot unless United change their formation/general messing about.

    2. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      tempting but I think you do need 1 rock in defence
      Siggy or Downing could still score the same as say ADM

    3. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I personally don't find ADM worth the money. I prefer someone from the mid-price bracket where excellent value choices this year - Chadli, Siggy, Downing, suit yourself. Especially if that helps to have better defence.

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I have Siggy and if I keep him it gives me a lot more options in defence

      2. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        agree with Poland

    4. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      thats my exact forwards except sturridge over costa

  23. Jay10
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Any news about Azpillicueta? Should I buy Luis?

    1. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      why would you risk either? can you not go for a Saints or upgrade a Chelsk

      1. Jay10
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I have a Saints defender and no money to upgrade to another Chelsea defender!

        1. The Generalator
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          I guess just wait then until you hear some team news

  24. thischarmingman
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Who are you going for as 4th mid? Between Downing, Chadli and Siggy for me. Had Siggy from 2nd GW or something, so will lose some value, but points matter more.

    1. The Generalator
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Siggy
      He should have scored a couple on the weekend.

    2. Gazza2000
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I'm keeping Siggy

  25. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    What do you think of this WC team?

    Panti, foster,

    Bertrand, Moreno, trippier, van aanholt, cameron

    Sanchez, hazard, di Maria, sterling, boyd

    Aguero, giroud, Kane/ings

    0.1 ITB. If I'm wild carding I will probably have Kane & ings for this gameweek and then change Kane to giroud with the first free transfer I get.

  26. LE GOD(C)-AMERICAN DYCHO-(1…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    With Debuchy out AGAIN is Chambers likely to fill the right back spot again? Would be the 3rd time of owning Chambers this season if he's back in the Arsenal team..

  27. waitinginthelonggrass
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Is getting rid of Siggy for Boyd a mistake if he is to act as a fifth midfielder?

    1. thischarmingman
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      No, not if you're benching him. But benching him might be a mistake.

    2. TuttiFrutti
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      not imo

  28. asif316uk
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    aguero, kane + austin/berahino or ings??

  29. Norco
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I think my WC team is sorted. Who am I missing?

    Pants | Krul
    Terry Clyne Berty Hutton Wasi
    Sanchez Hazard Silva Fabregas Boyd
    Kun Austin Kane

    Leaves me with 0.0 in the bank 🙁

    1. thischarmingman
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Very nice. $$$

    2. LE GOD(C)-AMERICAN DYCHO-(1…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Not sure you need Hutton, PVA would be a better pick with Sunderland home fixtures coming up. Silva has Arsenal then Chelsea might be worth getting ADM and go back to Silva after tough games.. good team though

      1. The Generalator
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I would keep Silva, on form and will assist Kun 🙂

      2. Norco
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        So you think it is Worth doubling up with Pants and PvA though?

  30. rapid11
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    WC used, suggestions?

    guzan hamer
    Baines, terry, bertrand, cissoko, wasi
    Hazard, sanchez, Siggy, Downing, Boyd
    Aguero, Kane, Berahino

    1. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      hmm needs work. far too much cash in defence

    2. copps
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      get some cheaper defencders like van aanholt (great home fixtures) instead of baines/terry. i usually only like to have 1 mid-priced defender and rest all cheap but thats just me.