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13 June 2016 1868 comments
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Monday’s final Euro 2016 tie sees Fifa’s second highest ranked side Belgium square up to 2012 Euros finalist Italy.

Both sides come into the match in confident mood having topped their qualifying groups and ending their pre-tournament friendly preparations unbeaten. While Belgium defeated Norway 3-2 and drew 1-1 with Finland, Italy recorded wins against Scotland and Finland.

Marc Wilmots’ team are set to rely heavily on Manchester City midfielder Kevin De Bruyne, who created more chances than any other player during qualification. Along with Chelsea’s Eden Hazard he was also the Red Devils’ top scorer in qualifying with five goals.

Antonio Conte’s Italy were one of only four sides, alongside England, Austria and Romania, to be undefeated in qualifying. They did this despite not having a regular goal scorer, with Southampton striker Graziano Pelle the Azzuri’s top scorer in qualifying with just three goals.

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  1. SpaceCadet
    10 years, 4 months ago

    The derailed captaincy train.

    giroud > shaqiri > muller > fabregas > dragovic

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    1. Mr Sarcastic
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I've had 5-6 pointers day after day and now it's Ronaldo's time.
      I'm sure it will end for 2 pointer 🙂

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      1. SpaceCadet
        10 years, 4 months ago

        I'll be content with a dragovic cs. Goal or assist wont hurt either 🙂

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    2. Camp No No
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Not the same captains, but the same story:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8eb_ACLl8

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    3. Eze Really?
      10 years, 4 months ago

      commonplace story!

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    4. The Hound
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I was with u all the way until I stopped at juanfran and I ain't risking his points for alaba. Nearly went fabregas as well....

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      1. SpaceCadet
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Good for you

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  2. Mr Sarcastic
    10 years, 4 months ago

    After watching Italy's great show yesterday, noticed life is not so fair for teams in group E.

    First they get to group of death and if they happen to win the group, their next game is gonna be against Spain or Croatia.
    After that most likely Germany..after that propably France...then it would be final.

    Finishing 2nd in that group would give much easier fixtures after group stage.

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    1. The Hound
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Hope they win it. I put £10 pre tourney on them at 16-1. Not because I actually think they will win it. France, Germany or Spain, anything else a shock. The odds looked exciting though for a big tournament team.

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      1. Mr Sarcastic
        10 years, 4 months ago

        I can't see anyone winning it with that kind of schedule.
        Before tournament I predicted them to come 2nd in their group and go out in semis against Spain. Other pair being Germany vs France.

        And betted for final pairs of Spain vs Germany & Spain vs France 🙂

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  3. ..RL..
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Is 61 points a good score with Dragovic and Junuzovic left. Certainly feels like it went south for me after MD2. Muller, Lewandowski and Nolito- all 3 strikers blanked.
    Who should I likely replace from the above 3? and with whom?
    Lewandowski and Muller play against each other and Nolito is always a risk to have until he's on the team sheet before the match.

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    1. SpaceCadet
      10 years, 4 months ago

      It's a good score. I have 51 with only dragovic cap let to play

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    2. The Hound
      10 years, 4 months ago

      As long as ronaldo blanks it's all good.

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    3. Boere Mafia
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I have 41 points and need to make up some points now. I have Alaba, Ronaldo and Guerreiro left. Had Denayer as capt yesterday and he didn't even make it on to the pitch.

      Who should I make captain. My gut tells me Alaba, but I don't know

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      1. SpaceCadet
        10 years, 4 months ago

        If you made Denayer cap then you should go with guerreiro today

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      2. ..RL..
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Ronaldo might as well get a hatrick or blank(hopefully). There is nothing to lose. 2(ronaldo)>0(denayer)

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        1. Boere Mafia
          10 years, 4 months ago

          So NO to Alaba again. My main rival in our league has Alaba as captain. You can see when the make switches. So for my midfield was bust .... Perisic 3 - Dzeimail 3 - Stanciu 4. Only Payet with 10. At least my defence was solid with 4 Cleansheets so far.

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  4. Ratatouille
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Good morning guys, I've got Dragovic and Pepe left. Who would you give the armband to? Cheers

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    1. Creedey
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Drago

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  5. Always (C)ane
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Junuzovic or Rui for (C) ?

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    1. Creedey
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Junuzovic

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      1. ..RL..
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Rui-more points for CS and saves

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  6. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Rank check. 77. you?

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    1. RoyaleBlue
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Bro, just brag. Don't try make it indirect :')

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Talking about FPL. Don't play Euros 😉

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        1. RoyaleBlue
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Damn it, you got me. Well played sir 😉

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          1. RoyaleBlue
            10 years, 4 months ago

            well I was very happy with 2454 in FPL, best ever finish by a mile 🙂

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            1. Lateriser 12
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              10 years, 4 months ago

              Hows the Euros treating you?

              I've put some dough on Enland for the Euros. Hope Roy doesn't screw it up. Squad is good.

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              1. Camp No No
                10 years, 4 months ago

                It's not _that_ good, and ask Belgians how much a good squad helps if you have an inept manager.

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    2. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      43

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Sorry i meant 27.

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        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Match day isn't over yet.

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          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            10 years, 4 months ago

            But you certainly are.

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        2. Camp No No
          10 years, 4 months ago

          😀 Well played!

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  7. Azzurri4Life
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Guys...Who do you suggest should be my captain for today...expert opinion needed...I have lot of catching up to do... :)...Defenders are racking up the points... Suggest..please...
    a) Ronaldo
    b) Alaba
    c) Patricio
    d) Dragovic
    e) Joao Mario

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    1. RoyaleBlue
      10 years, 4 months ago

      ronaldo. If you pay 12 mil you surely have to captain?

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    2. Creedey
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I would not invest in Ronaldo and then not captain him!

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      1. Azzurri4Life
        10 years, 4 months ago

        haha..thanks guys..but i was just thinking about Dragovic if he can keep a clean sheet and maybe assist or score ...What do you guys think...

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        1. RoyaleBlue
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Is dragovic particularly attacking? What are you basing your goal/assist predictions for him on?

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        2. Boere Mafia
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Same problem. Need to catch up. Ronaldo, alaba, Guirerro.

          Gut tells me Alaba still

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          1. Azzurri4Life
            10 years, 4 months ago

            merely based on this...
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BePJbyd29X4

            Its too confusing...what if Ronaldo scores a hatrick considering hes playing against Iceland...

            Whats your take...

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            1. Boere Mafia
              10 years, 4 months ago

              If I had him. Yes I would go for it. I also own Ronaldo and Alaba. If I know for sure Guirerro was going to start. I would go for him as capt in my team. As it seems like a defenders' tournament so far

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  8. BENOIT
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Muller (2) & Nolito (2) ------> Alaba & Guerrerio?

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    1. Mr Sarcastic
      10 years, 4 months ago

      You're not much of a gambler, are you?

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      1. BENOIT
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Not when I'm leading my ML 🙂

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        1. Mr Sarcastic
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Still, go for it. Alaba part is a nobrainer, so do at least that.

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        2. Lucy.
          10 years, 4 months ago

          If you're risk averse, just bring in Alaba. 🙂

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  9. fastgun2111
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Don't know where it all went south for me, 32 points with Junuzo and Dragovic left to play. going to Cap Junuzo and then WC!

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  10. Eze Really?
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Probably only 3 Gamedays a WC has value. ( 2, 3, quarters)
    I am using GD 2 as was always my plan.
    With no bonus points and fewer goals per game than EPL, defenders will bdecome my priority. I hope to get 5 x 6 pointers out of 7 possible.
    Emphasis on defenders who get forward will be my priority.
    Mids and Forwards will be fairly template but I expect fixtures will play a part and the CS point for Mids holds value to me for the first time.

    Defender/keeper: Game time, Team strength, Fixture, Attack potential, Price.
    Mid: Game time, Form, Fixture, Playing position, Price
    Forward: Big Name, Fixture, Price

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  11. NUFCAndrew
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Right please help me I need to captain either Rui Patricio or Alaba. My captains have been mega flops Giroud->Mak->Muller->Nolito->?

    I could really do with some garunteed points with Patricio but I could also take the risk on Alaba.

    Any help on what I should do?

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  12. Ludo
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Full bench coming on today: Patricio, Guerreiro, Alaba and Ronaldo (C).

    Hope they do the business!

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    1. BENOIT
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Confident Guerrerio will start?

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      1. Ludo
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Not 100%, but confident enough to put him in my team in the first place. Worth the risk when all I stand to lose is 2 points from Rami.

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        1. Lucy.
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Sensible. Hope it comes good.

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    2. RoyaleBlue
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Exact same as me, so I'm rooting for you

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  13. Mr Sarcastic
    10 years, 4 months ago

    So I should be ready to make my wc team tomorrow...no idea what to do really!
    Maybe I'll just take hit to get Payet in and save myself from tinkering.

    Tried and
    Can't decide 3rd striker to go with Ron & Giroud, maybe Yarmolenko or Mandzukic?
    Is Kdb worth it, because not captaining?
    Which defenders to get? Fra + ?? If Italy and Germany win their next game, who knows who will play 3rd game.

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    1. Lucy.
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Both sound like good options as third strikers. Maybe Mandy and squeeze in Konoplyanka elsewhere?

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      1. Mr Sarcastic
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Might do that if I wc.
        If I'm lazy, I'll just do Matuidi, Muller >> Payet, Mandy for a hit and enjoy the backfire.

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  14. RoyaleBlue
    10 years, 4 months ago

    People rating Bale? I can see him scoring against England

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  15. Lucy.
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone know the odds on a Portugal CS? Wondering if it's worth bagging a Patricio captaincy, rather than punting on attacking returns from Junu.

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    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Not sure about the odds but Hungary are not a very attacking side.

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      1. Lucy.
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Aren't they playing Iceland?

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        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Sorry just awake. Got mixed up

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    2. Ludo
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Paddy Power has 8/11, which is an implied probability of 57.9%

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      1. Lucy.
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Haha cheers.

        What do you reckon Ludo?

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        1. Ludo
          10 years, 4 months ago

          I'd probably be a dullard and captain Patricio.

          Junuzovic seems more of an assister than a scorer to me, so would be surprising for him to get more than 6 points himself. If he does get a haul, then at least you still have the points!

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    3. pompeyfan
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Junu as any time goalscorer is 4/1. That doesn't include assists of course but as the Portugal cleanie is 8/11 then that is statistically the massive favourite of the 2 events.

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      1. Lucy.
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Well-reasoned. I'm going for the safer option I think, pf.

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  16. Boere Mafia
    10 years, 4 months ago

    So subs for the next round???

    Thinking to take a hit. Denayer > Ghiacherrini and Mueller > Yarmelenko

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    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      How much is Yarmolenko anyway?

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      1. Camp No No
        10 years, 4 months ago

        8.5

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    2. Lucy.
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I think I'd rather squeeze in Konoplyanka.

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      1. Boere Mafia
        10 years, 4 months ago

        True. It is a toss up between the two. Yarmelenko looked really good against Germany. And he has an "easier" game this time around

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        1. Blurryface
          10 years, 4 months ago

          With the smaller teams its never gonna be easy

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  17. Big4FPL
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone not going Ronaldo (C) in Daily 7's? Tempted by a Fuchs punt....currently ranked 251 though so could drop significantly if Ronaldo gets more than a goal, but where's the fun in the dull pick?

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  18. Total Foot 5
    10 years, 4 months ago

    C:

    1.keep giru 10 pts
    2.go alaba C

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    1. pontus
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Would keep it.

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      1. Total Foot 5
        10 years, 4 months ago

        ok

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  19. pontus
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Would appreciate some help. Feeling disillusioned by my terrible captain choices.

    a) Take out Sommer (6 points) and put in Rui Patricio and captain him
    b) Dragovic
    c) Joao Mario

    Thanks!

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    1. Creedey
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Drago!

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  20. NUFCAndrew
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Since my captains have been awful I really need garunteed extra points

    A: Alaba
    B: Patricio

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  21. Mind över Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 4 months ago

    61 - Alaba, Patricio and Siggy to go

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    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      77 with Ronnie and Dragovic

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      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Outrageous.

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        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Thanks. Should be a good day

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      2. Mind över Mata
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Nicely done!

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        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Thanks. I thought it was higher last night but the McDonald's site misleads you until the update.

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  22. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 4 months ago

    When you see your score tonight beware it will include your subbed out players until the update happens.

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  23. Jebiga
    10 years, 4 months ago

    50 - alaba, patricio and guerreiro to go

    So its obvious :

    1. Kozacik out for Rui Patricio
    2. Matuidi out for Alaba
    3. Muller out for Guerreiro

    But who to captain ?

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    1. Lucy.
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I'm going for Patricio over Junuzovic, on the basis that a Portugal CS is more likely than a Junu goal and I just need some kind of captaincy return. If you're more ambitious, Alaba.

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  24. Mind över Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Who are people thinking of transferring in after today?

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    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Honestly not a clue

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    2. Lucy.
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I haven't really narrowed it down yet.

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    3. Boere Mafia
      10 years, 4 months ago

      My current team:

      Patricio sommer
      Guereirro Srna Rodriquez Denayer Rami
      Payet perisic Stanciu Alaba Dzeimaili
      Ronaldo muleler giroud

      As of today. Gonna take a transfer hit:

      Denayer > Hector/Ghiacerinni
      Mueller > Yalrmelenko / Konoplyanka

      But first have to pick a capt for today need some points - Ronaldo, Guereiro, Alaba

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      1. Lucy.
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Konoplyanka is a mid.

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        1. Boere Mafia
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Yarmelenko it will be then. As Mueller is the one i need out

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          1. Blurryface
            10 years, 4 months ago

            Why do u need Muller out?

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            1. Boere Mafia
              10 years, 4 months ago

              Again a gut feeling that he will bomb against Poland. And i need funds to replace Denayer with someone decent.

              Looks like defenders' tournament so far in any case.

              Only other move is to bring Konoplyanka in and get a midfielder out. Which means it will have to be either Perisic or Alaba.

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  25. SpaceCadet
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Any suggestions for this team folks? Don't think it needs a WC, but best transfer option here?

    Patricio sommer
    Dragovic Juanfran howedes glik Rami
    Payet perisic fabregas blaszcykowski hamsik
    Shaqiri muller giroud

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    1. Blurryface
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Glik to Giacherreni?

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      1. SpaceCadet
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Good shout! Was thinking glik/ dragovic > giacherrini. Anything worth a hit? Cheers!

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        1. Blurryface
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Others have good fixtures. Dragovic maybe can be replaced but not worth a hit

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    2. EmreCan Hustle
      10 years, 4 months ago

      Blas to Drax?

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      1. SpaceCadet
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Good option but looking at a defensive change. Defenders seem to be raking it in. cheers

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  26. EmreCan Hustle
    10 years, 4 months ago

    62 with Hinter, Rui and Junu to go.

    Rival will have Ronaldo captain(probably) and Guerreiro. On 55 atm.

    Think I can hold the lead?

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    1. Blurryface
      10 years, 4 months ago

      for sure

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      1. EmreCan Hustle
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers.

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  27. buffrey
    10 years, 4 months ago

    I'm not playing the Euro 2016 fantasy game, got mixed reports so although slightly envious not to bothered, however it strikes me that with captain changes throughout and Portugal playing last on each 'game week' Ronaldo must be owned. Having a final captain chance on the best player in the tournament is a must and even if you stick with a captain before hand a huge majority will have him and will be captaining not hoping for that final day haul.

    Just an observation mind as, as I say, I've not looked into it too much as having a pre season break.

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    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 4 months ago

      I agree. It allows you a punt on the previous days knowing you can back it up with him.

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      1. buffrey
        10 years, 4 months ago

        Seems a no brainier to me.

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        1. ryacoo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 4 months ago

          I think the opposite can also be seen as a plus - you've got 3 or 4 captain choices before Ronaldo even plays, so it's quite likely you'll get a captain score you're happy with, and then you'll either have to risk that for Ronaldo or not captain your most expensive player. And if he blanks, you've got no one to switch him to.

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          1. buffrey
            10 years, 4 months ago

            Fair argument. But to cover the ones that do go for Ronny ownership is key I'd have thought. Even without armband.

            I do get the point though. Just feels to me like an almost essential security blanket.

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  28. karvs155
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Cap
    A) Patricio (ISL)
    B) Alaba (HUN)
    C) Dragovic (HUN)

    currently on A

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  29. Jebiga
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Will Guerreiro play today or we have to save 2 pts 😀

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    1. Boere Mafia
      10 years, 4 months ago

      My concern too.

      I want to make him captain instead of Ronaldo or Alaba

      But not sure if he starts

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      1. La Vida Latte
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 4 months ago

        That is gutsy!

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        1. Boere Mafia
          10 years, 4 months ago

          Well, need to catch up. And the rest of the guys in my ml has either Ron or Alaba as captain.

          So trying an extraordinary move. Hoping Ron and Alaba bombs and then Portugal pick up a cleansheet and him starting.

          Or maybe i should play it safe. 10 points separating me and the leaders. Go for alaba and try to catch them in MD2

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  30. kinglourenco
    10 years, 4 months ago

    Any news on Perisic? Was the sub just a precaution?

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