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25 October 2018 904 comments
@FPLGeneral @FPLGeneral
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Gameweek 10 is almost upon us and surely it can’t be as bad as Gameweek 9, right?

The lowest average of the season had many in despair.

The FPL community has been quieter than usual this week as managers lick their wounds.

I managed a score of 42 which was respectable considering some of the horror stories from the weekend.

The Punishers

Going into Gameweek 10, Anthony Knockaert (£5.5m) is causing me a headache. He came in on a double move in Gameweek 8, alongside Marko Arnautovic (£7.0m), to replace David Silva (£8.5m) and Callum Wilson (£6.5m). It’s safe to say, those were not my best transfers of the season! Wilson must have known I had sold him as he gave a salute in his goal celebration to rub salt in my wounds.

In hindsight, I should have been more patient with him as he still had three good fixtures and excellent underlying statistics despite going five games without a goal. I was hell-bent on getting Arnie in for the Brighton game which meant sacrificing Silva who also punished me with a nine-pointer in the 5-0 win over Burnley.

Knockaert hasn’t worked out and is now a rotation risk having sat out the Gameweek 9 fixture against Newcastle. He’s likely to be my transfer out this week.

The reason I went cheap with the Silva replacement was so that Andrew Robertson (£6.4m) could come in for Jose Holebas (£4.8m) in Gameweek 9 which worked out well. The Scottish Roberto Carlos was phenomenal again in the Champions League last night.

Salah and the Liverpool defence

Another player who impressed for Liverpool against Red Star Belgrade was the runaway leader in this week’s captaincy poll, Mohamed Salah (£12.8m). A brace, including one from the spot, has his owners feeling confident of a big haul at home to Cardiff this weekend. Non-owners will no doubt be looking at ways to get him.

Hat trick please Mo ©.

Trent Alexander-Arnold (£5.1m) owners are worried after he missed his second game in a row. Dejan Lovren (£4.9m) has come in and posted back-to-back nine-pointers. The Croatian was an unused substitute in the Champions League in midweek which suggests he may start against Cardiff. If so, the big question is – who starts at right back, TAA or Joe Gomez (£5.1m)? If I owned TAA, I’d give him one more week if you have a solid first sub who can come in if he misses out again.

Knockaert replacements

Roberto Pereyra (£6.2m), Andre Schürrle (£6.0m), Kenedy (£4.9m) and Josh Murphy (£4.8m) are battling it out for a place in my Gameweek 10 squad.

Pereyra and Schurrle have four goals each, while Kenedy and Murphy have the favourable fixtures between now and Christmas and are much cheaper. More research is required before I come to a decision but I’m leaning towards going cheap and using the cash saved to improve things next week.

Benjamin Mendy (£6.3m) is top of my ‘Wanted’ list for Gameweek 11. Once he’s back in, the next step will be to figure out which Man City midfielder is worth the investment. A task I’m not looking forward to!

Good luck to all in Gameweek 10.

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  1. RighteousBrother
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Currently considering Aguero+richarlison to Salah and success/joselu.

    What do you reckon?

  2. Holmes
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    FPL Price Updates in sidebar, hmmm... Is that something new?

    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Ignore...

  3. MGD
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Kepa - Hamer
    Alonso - Mendy - Robertson - Trippier - AWB
    Hazard - Mané - Moura - Maddison - Stephens
    Aguero - Arnautovic - Kamara

    0,4 ITB 1 FT.

    Any pointers? Needs to get rid of Moura i think, perhaps for OOP Richarlison?

    Thanks!

  4. Ratatouille
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Seems like a good gameweek to triple captain Salah at only 30.5% ownership. Thoughts?

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Nah

    2. Pinturicchio10
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I wouldn't

      • Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Not the worst idea, but I always tend to wait for the DGWs for maximum upside

      • CostaCoffee
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Don’t do it

        1. czechow
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          at home to Fulham in two weeks might be a better shout

        2. Ratatouille
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Over the past few years DGW has been very tricky for the use of the triple captain chip for me. So I think I may have a go this gameweek with Salah

          1. CostaCoffee
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            In a DGW he odds are better for you. You’ll feel much worse about a blank TC this week than a blank TC in a DGW

      • KingOllie
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        nah normal (C) is plenty, if he shows form vs car/ars then Ful(H) is a better fixture to triple if u must

      • MANGE TOUT RODNEY
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Tempting but no

      • ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I'd rather have 2 lottery tickets than 1

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Any of you eagle eyed statisticians out there have a teachable point of view on why VVD doesn’t excel on baps? Seriously considering bringing him in for TAA after Cardiff

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        He positions himself so well he doesn’t tackle

    4. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Best move here lads? Thinking I’ll roll the dice & start TAA this week and look to get Mendy next week.

      A) ASmith -> Balbuena (cover Doherty in 11-12)
      B) Wan-B -> Bennett
      C) Ederson -> Fabianski

      Bank 0.1m, 2FT, WC available (planning to use in GW15)

      Ederson
      Alonso, TAA, Doherty
      Salah(c), Hazard, Richarlison, Maddison
      Aguero, Arnie, King

      Stek, ASmith, Wan-B, Hudson

    5. Gizzachance
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      any thoughts appreciated
      play one with mendy and robbo
      A pereia v wham (h)
      B yedlin v sou (a}
      C jonny v bri (a)
      cheers

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A

        1. Gizzachance
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          cheers what i am on at the moment

      2. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Tricky. Normally I’d say go with the home fixture, but LEI are quite leaky and WHU look fairly decent. I would probably still go A but not much in it.

        1. zotter
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Think pereira attacking threat swings it

          1. avfc82
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Agreed - A for me

            1. Gizzachance
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              cheers

          2. Gizzachance
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            yeah, thats wat swung it as i brought him in on w/c last week for the upcoming fixtures
            cheers

          3. Pieterke30
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Im not sure he will start

            1. Gizzachance
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              got subbed after 68 minutes last week, other than that played 90 mins, one 85 mins, missed one game
              have to hope !
              cheers

        2. Gizzachance
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          w ham have few injuries and leic at home
          kinda fancy brighton to score at home v wolves!
          on A so far
          thanks for input

    6. zotter
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Do we expect Liverpool to smash cardiffby 4+. More realistically given the way Cardiff set up and way Liverpool are operating I think 2-0 more likely.

      1. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        0 - 0

    7. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Was planning to do Rich to Maddison but should the Vardy doubt put me off? (Currently Jimenez, Kenedy on bench)

      A. Yes - keep Rich and play.
      B. Yes - keep Rich but bench for...
      C. Get Mads anyway.
      D. Go for Pereya instead (or even Izquierdo).

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A.

      2. Gizzachance
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A tricky away fixture but decent home fixtures

    8. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Those 50\50 decision is so hard. My team is:

      ryan
      Doherty Alonso Monreal Holebas
      Salah Hazard Kenedy Rich
      Laca Kane

      Bench: Hens, Kamara, Westwood, AWB

      I've Got 2 FT. Would you do:
      A. Kane-- Arni\Vardy + Monreal -- Mendy and wait to see which MAN city Mid to get for SOU.
      B. Kane --- Arni\Vardy + Westwood --- KDB Cause spurs easly can score agaisnt CIty
      C. All the above for -4

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Wait on kdb. So A. Vardy if fit

        1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Yea, forgot to mention that if i go A so i couldnt get KDB

    9. CostaCoffee
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      A) Yedlin
      B) Balbuena

      Also thoughts on the rest of wildcard?
      Ryan Button
      Robbo Mendy Doherty _____ AWB
      KDB Hazard Salah Pereyra 4.5
      Lacazette Arnie Mitro

      1. Pieterke30
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A

        Good

      2. Fpl Richie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        No Leicester? Beautiful otherwise

    10. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Who scores more points in GW10?

      A) Ings (NEW)
      B) Arnautovic (lei)

      1. Pieterke30
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        B

      2. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        2-2 draw

    11. Pieterke30
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Who to start?
      A. Pereira (WHU)
      B. Richarlison (mnu)
      C. Hojbjerg (NEW)

      Thx lads

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        B

      2. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A

      3. CostaCoffee
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Close but A for me

        1. CostaCoffee
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Nah B actually, Leicester have been leaky lately

      4. Pieterke30
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers for the replies

        Starting B, currently, but hesitating - obviously.

    12. gibstim
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      GTG?

      Fabski,
      Alonso, Mendy, Robbo, Duffy
      Salah, Hazard, Fraser, Maddison
      Aguero, Arni

      Hart l WB, Kamara, Masuaku

    13. AC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I’ve owned Salah all the way through, however this weekend really does feel like having the parallels with Kane a couple of weeks ago vs Cardiff. Granted Liverpool fixtures barring Arsenal are pretty good I’m just not sure it’s worth ripping your team apart for a 12.8 m player who is not playing to the same level as last year. City just look more fluent going forward KDB and 3.1 m in the bank is not the silliest thing in the world.

      1. zotter
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Well if your question is should you sell Salah to kdb this week. No way

        1. AC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          No but maybe next week.

      2. KingOllie
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I agree, but Salah is in better form than Kane was. Liverpools fixtures are better for more than 1 game. Theres no other easy captaincy options this week

      3. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Liverpool are a better team than Tottenham though. I'd be really, really surprised if they don't put at least 3 past Cardiff, and you'd think Salah will be involved in at least one of those, potentially more. Can't argue that City look more fluid going forward, but Liverpool are second in line and I'm not sure KDB is a captain option at this stage.

        1. AC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I'm never sure after champions league games. It obviously gives Cardiff more time to have a game plan and stick with it. If I didn't have Salah I'd be fine to captain Hazard (assuming back is precautionary) this week. very tempted to get in KDB and Mendy next week

      4. GENERATION X
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        People are looking ahead to FUL and even Arsenal where they usually score loads...its not a one game move...

      5. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I think he has pretty similar points at the moment compared to this stage last season ?

        1. AC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Agreed his points are I think pretty similar. All down to the differential in price vs LY

    14. boc610
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Vardy still the best at making those runs from behind

    15. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I take it this article was by Fpl General ?? Bit odd not to credit it to him ?

      1. Pierce34
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        It is credited.

        1. Wetdream
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Where ?

          1. Pierce34
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            The avatar on the top right, as usual? Says @FPLGeneral.

          2. Wetdream
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            I'm on an android phone and just scrolled up and down to double check.Nothing.

            1. Rotation's Alter Ego
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              The avatar symbol doesn't appear on mobile as far as I know, but it should say "Posted by (Name)" at the bottom. Just says the "posted by" bit for me on all devices, so will pass on to Geoff to see if that can be fixed.

              Thanks 🙂

              1. Wetdream
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Ok.No worries.Only realised it was by him as i follow him on twitter 🙂

            2. Hotdogs for Tea
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Same on my iPhone - can’t see who has written any of the articles ... why they don’t simply put the name after ‘posted by’ is a mystery, isn’t that the reason it is there ? 🙂

    16. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Popular one, but Arnie in for Mitrovic...
      A. This week (10)
      B. Next week (11)
      C. Gw12

      Arnie - Lei - BUR - Hud
      Mitro - BOU - Hud - Liv

      1. SlowStart
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        A or C

    17. HD7
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      GW10: right team and bench order?

      Foster
      Mendy Robbo Duffy Alonso
      Salah (C) Richa Maddy Hazard
      Aguero Arnie

      Subs: Button, Success, Kenedy, WanB

    18. Tokosbobet88
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling to Salah for this week only ?

      1. Wetdream
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Ha.I only brought Sterling in last week for Mane and am actually pondering this.Would keep for next 3 at least though.

    19. Gudjohnsen
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      TC Salah?

      1. CostaCoffee
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Nah

      2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        no

      3. wildnothing
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        No

      4. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Go for it

    20. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Richarlison to Kenedy? Seems right with those fixtures?

      1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Unless you need the cash, hell no.

        1. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Will need cash to upgrade Fraser next week. He needs to go out with Bourn's fixture turn.

      2. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I'm not against the move, kinda depends what you'd do with the cash though

        1. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          To facilitate my Fraser upgrade to a 7.5+ mid

          1. Pegboy
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Just wait and do Fraser>Kenedy?

            1. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Dont like United, Chelsea, Liverpool as Richarlison's 3 of the next 5 opponents.

              Think both have to go.

              1. avfc82
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 16 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                I know what you mean about Richarlison's fixtures, but move the ticker forward a week and he has 4 favourable home games in 6.

                If he stays up front, I don't think I'd want him regardless (2 shots in 2 games), but if he's back out wide he could do well. Not against moving him out, just something to think about

    21. CostaCoffee
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Yedlin or Balbuena?

      1. wildnothing
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Balbuena

      2. Christina.
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        neither. one of duffy or dunk.

        1. CostaCoffee
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Playing Ryan week in week out

          1. Christina.
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            if fixt is good enough for keeper it's good enough for def I reckon. They love Bp's and goals.

      3. Emiliano Sala
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Balb

      4. I Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Balbuena

    22. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Sorry to ask again

      A) Vardy + richarlison + sterling to salah + kdb + quaner for -8
      B) richarlison and sterling to salah and fodder for -4

      Full team:

      Patricio
      Alonso robertson taa awb bennett
      Sterling hazard maddison richarlison hojber
      Aguero vardy wilson

      1 ft. 0.4 itb

      Want kdb and salah long term. If I do B I have to take another hit in coming weeks to get kdb in place of vardy
      Any better suggestions?
      I will do alonso + wilson to mendy and arnie next week!

      1. Christina.
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        you know the answer, you have not taken a single hit this season.

        1. Emiliano Sala
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          now is the time to take them?

          1. Christina.
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            not if you are ranked 18k.
            no

            1. Emiliano Sala
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              salah is the one I must have. not owning him will kill my rank. I sold him on WC because of tough fixtures and sterling as a placeholder
              it's basically KDB vs Vardy here.
              any suggestion ?

              1. Christina.
                • 15 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                I thought Kane(c) vs Cardiff was a must have. Ended up selling Salah. We all know how that went.

                Sterling/Vardy-->.Salah/Arnie -4

                1. Emiliano Sala
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  thnaks for your replies
                  had planned to get arnie in place of wilson
                  wilson faces: arsenal, manutd, liverpool and mancity in next 6 games.
                  and you know, richarlison have tough matches coming, and KDB is great value at 9.7! and a good different captaincy option next week vs southampton

                2. Emiliano Sala
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  and by the way, you know Kane plays as midfielder these days and spurs is in crisis to somehow

      2. Cornholi0
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Why sell Vardy? Expect big things from him for the next weeks!

        1. Emiliano Sala
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          stomach problem

          1. Christina.
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            delhi belly

    23. Saka White Rice
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Who do I start Kenedy (Southampton) or Bennett (BHA)? I'm chasing a guy who has a double Wolves defense so scared on missing a clean sheet.

      1. CostaCoffee
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Kenedy, grow some bottle

    24. ☈☾
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      For GW 11 - Long Term Changes

      Fraser + Wally + Hamer ---> Fab + Richarlison + Kennedy

      For a -4. Yay or Nay?

      1. ☈☾
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        or hold Hamer to Fab for one more week

    25. boc610
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      The longer the posts from non Salah owners talking themselves out not getting him , the more you know they are secretly dying to make take that hit

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        If Salah blanks, non-owners will have got away with absolute murder

      2. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        This is what I think when women turn me down

      3. Pierce34
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        No need for a hit, I'll just wildcard him in 😉

    26. joeydelucchi
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Keep faith with Vardy and Arnie as my front 2??

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I certainly wouldn't be changing either of those this week

      2. Pinturicchio10
          7 years, 1 month ago

          They blanked twice on the spin, which is nowhere near enough to sell considering the fixtures ahead for both. Hold.

        • firetog
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I have them both and not planning to move them on until their fixtures turn.

      3. Concentration
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Really feel like I need Salah this weekend. How would you get him in? Ideally want to do in 2 moves.

        Patrício Fabianski
        Van Dijk Mendy Bellerin Chilwell AWB
        Hazard Sterling Richarlison Knockaert Hojbjerg
        Aguero Vardy Mitro

        Thinking:

        A) Sterling Vardy - Salah Arnie
        B) Sterling Richy - Salah ?
        C) Something else

        1. GENERATION X
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          A all day

          1. Concentration
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            What I’m thinking but others suggesting Vardy may be essential

      4. Zebrahimović
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Double Wolves def (Pat/Doherty) or play Pat and Dunk?