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For many fantasy managers, the defensive line is more or less the enabling line. The strategy is often to rotate two cheap goalkeepers, have one or two heavy hitters (£6-7m), one mid-priced player (£5-5.5m), and then two budget options (£4-4.5m). This can be further reduced. The thinking behind this strategy is generally sound: the big scores – and thus the preferred captaincy options – tend to come from expensive midfielders and forwards, so it makes sense to allocate as much funds as possible to those aspects of one’s team.

In the current season, that strategy has again proved to be a sound one. But does it need re-thinking? There are perhaps three reasons to suggest that it does.

First point

First, the strategy has been a success mainly due to the performance of the Wolves defence, along with the early season form of Aaron Wan-Bissaka. Why spend big sums on defenders when you can get double-digit returns from players in the £4-4.5m bracket? A brief glance at Crystal Palace’s fixture list however, and it becomes apparent that Wan-Bissaka, while he still represents decent value, can no longer be relied upon for the clean sheets and bonus points that made him such a popular pick in the opening gameweeks. As for the Wolves defence, they face a less tricky but still fairly troublesome group of fixtures. Furthermore, one can envision a near-future in which their settled starting 11 turns against them, as teams begin to work out how to hurt them. Of course, one could simply switch from one batch of budget defenders to another, but that may not be a prudent move in the current climate (see point three).

Second point

The second reason that saving money on defence may be unwise is that, frankly, it’s not clear who or what one is saving for. Things could of course change, but at this moment there aren’t too many of the high-priced midfielders and forwards that are nearing essential status. Eden Hazard, perhaps, is the one who comes close to meriting that label. There are of course good reasons for having midfielders like Mohamed Salah, Raheem Sterling, Sadio Mane, and Kevin De Bruyne in one’s squad, but we are not yet in a situation where we simply must free up funds to acquire as many of them as possible. As for heavy-hitting forwards, only Sergio Agüero has really justified his inclusion on our squads, and even he has struggled for explosive returns. For the moment, Harry Kane, Romelu Lukaku, and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang each represent differing headaches for fantasy managers.

Third point

The third and final reason for re-thinking the strategy in defence is that, in simple terms, the expensive players from the big teams are hogging a large portion of the clean sheets. Consider Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, and Tottenham. In 2017-18 these four teams accounted for 27% (17 out of 63) of clean sheets from gameweeks 1-9. In 2018-19, by contrast, they account for 39% (20 of 51) of clean sheets. So while the overall number of clean sheets has dropped quite considerably (from 63 down to 51), these four teams together have actually accumulated more clean sheets than they did by this stage of the previous season. Add in the attacking potential of Benjamin Mendy, Kieran Trippier, Andrew Robertson, and Marcos Alonso, and one can begin to justify populating one’s defence (plus goalkeeper) with six players from these four teams. A back six of Alisson, Robertson, Mendy, Alonso, Trippier, and Laporte/Lovren/Virgil van Dijk could potentially have you 40-50 points in the bag before you even get to your midfield and forward line.

Conclusion

This, of course, is not a foolproof strategy, nor is the most sexy of strategies.

At least part of the reason to keep a tight rein on the defensive budget is that it is much more exciting to own attackers than it is to watch games in the hope of clean sheets.

Yet in saying that, for a mere 32 point hit I can have the back six mentioned above, and also have Hazard, Salah, and De Bruyne in midfield, with Marco Arnautovic and Raúl Jiménez up top.

There is certainly some fun to be had in such a line-up.

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  1. How heavy should we go in defence?
    Geoff
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 13 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Great stuff thanks for this!

    It's an interesting one.. I'm not happy with Fraser after this GW and I'm considering looking at someone cheap to help fund defence. Unfortunately, to do it correctly, I'd really need to sell Aguero and I'm not ready to do that.

    Overall, who are the best defensive heavy hitters? Is there anyone the article above missed? If you were to go with 5 strong at back, who would you go with?

    Is this a viable strategy? Why are you employing it, or why are you not employing it? How much are the fixtures playing into your decision?

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Alisson
      Alonso - Mendy - Robertson - Trippier - Doherty

      1. Jimmy Floyd
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Trying to work my way to that defence exactly

        1. WesMantooth
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Dont bother with alison

      2. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Currently have

        Patricio / Lössl
        Alonso, Robbo,Trippier, Doherty, AWB

        This week I will transfer Salah and Arnie in, next week planning to get Mendy for AWB in and take a hit. Original plan was to do just Trippier to Mendy. Yet Fraser has to go and I prefer Trippier over anyone even close to Fraser price bracket. GK situation is to be reassessed when on wc. Not too worried yet about wolves double up.

        Alonso to 4.5 (to rotate with Doherty or 5th mid) with good fixtures is easy downgrade if 2.2 needed.

    2. Pinturicchio10
        7 years, 1 month ago

        - Alonso, Robertson and Mendy still look by far the best options for premium defenders to me.
        - For a five-strong defence I'd go with the above 3, + Trippier and Rudiger.
        - No. Too much surgery needed and takes too much away from midfield and forwards. 3-max seems more than fine.

        1. Pep says
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Rudiger doesn't feel the best way to optimize the defence. VVD or Laporte are the same price and their defences are much better!

      • The 12th Man
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        On 3-4-3 at the moment with Alonso,TAA,Periera,Doherty,AWB.
        TAA will probably become Robertson this week. Periera has 2 or 3 games to prove his worth. May become Mendy.

        Midfield Would like Salah,Hazard,KDB then maybe Kenedy and Murphy.

      • Pras (FPL)
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Ryan - great set and forget keeper until Feb
        Robbo/Mendy - nothing more to say
        Luiz - covers Chelsea and posting similar stats to Alonso
        Doherty/Balbuena - rotate perfectly for a cheap 4th def

        Playing 4-3-3 for the reasons highlighted in the article

        1. poohdini
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          This is what I have been planning to do with my defense next week with my WC. Really looks great to me.

      • Concentration
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        For now I quite like Fabianski/Ryan - Robertson, Mendy, Bellerin, Chilwell, Doherty as a defensive set up.

        Offers defensive and attacking potential and saves a little on going full premium

      • the Penman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        To go full heavy hitter, you want to catch the A-TRAM or the E-TRAM:

        Allison/Ederson
        Trippier Robertson Alonso Mendy

        1. Eden Wizard
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Allison/Ederson
          Trippier Robertson Alonso Mendy
          Fodder Fodder Fodder Fodder Fodder
          Fodder Fodder Fodder

        2. What about Chilwell Robertson And Pereira? 😉

      • Are clean sheets for the big boys going to continue as the fixtures start piling up? Does anyone have stats on this from previous seasons?

        1. CL4PTRAP
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          There was an article on something similar a time ago, the gist being that early season tends to have less clean sheets, great volatility, than later on. Or it was the other way around. I did try and search but I have no idea what to look for other than clean sheets. I believe it's the former, more CS for big 6 as season progresses.

          1. Pep says
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            It was the other way around. Start of the season has more clean sheets. They drop off at Christmas time and around April or May climb back up again due to relegation battles.

            Start of the season is optimal time to have a heavy backline. As the season moves on and clean sheets dry up somewhat, it's a lot of cash to pump into one position of they go a couple gameweeks without attacking returns aswell

        2. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Without even checking Man City had very easy fixtures to start with and Arsenal has also had their good run of pretty easy fixtures. Liverpool with VvD is different team defensively so straight comparison to last autumn is incorrect approach. ManU this season has its own problems.

      • jia you
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Happy with my current set up (Ederson, Robertson, Alonso, Trippier + 2 cheapies) but considering Mendy for sure and a change to 4 atb in the future!

      • DannyMacdonald
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I have Alonso, getting Robertson as my big hitters. AWB, Doherty and Schindler make up the remainder.
        I would be wary of investing too much in defence. From previous experience its a lot harder to get money out of there if another position starts firing (eg strikers). If you need an extra 3 million and you have to finance it through cutting in defence then that's a lot of hits

      • Witty Pun: Not good at this…
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        If I had to play 5ATB I would probably go

        Alisson
        Mendy Robertson Trippier Laporte Rudiger

      • The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Not considering Trippier with the upcoming Spurs Fixtures wihich include 3 of the next 5 against top 6 teams.

        1. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          For me Trippier is "do not buy, but perhaps also do not sell. I will bench him for next fixture, then he is okay for the next two. Gw13-14 are problems, but ditching him and getting back for just those fixtures is hardly worth 2 transfers and - .2 tv.

      • _Freddo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Good article, I've been pro heavy defence from last year when it became clear that the game had changed with regards to wing backs being like mids, worked well last year & has been working well this year (had double City & double Liverpool until Mendy got injured) it's been bailing me out due to missing out on the early hauls of Richarlison & Mane plus the Hazard hatrick.

        I'm currently 442 but am tempted to go 532 now & back to the double Liverpool/City defence, they are rock solid, I'll still have Hazard, Salah & Aguero so if they can support those, I should go on a strong run when it counts.

        Good article, enjoyed reading it and refreshing to read someone break away from the conventional FFS rulebook.

        1. _Freddo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Oh, my current defence is.

          Ederson
          Mendy, Alonso, Robertson, Doherty & thinking of adding Lovren.

        2. jkdeclan
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Thanks. I'm not a rigorous user of FFS, but I really enjoy the Scoutcast. Definitely from the Luke (d1sable) school of management. Didn't had Salah until last week, ditched Aguero and Mane in my wildcard during gameweek 4, and somehow enjoying my best ever start to a season by a country mile (admittedly, that's a low bar).

          I think you're right about double Liverpool/City defence. The article is actually a tacit ode to Aymeric Laporte. Brought him in alongside Mendy in aforementioned wildcard and I think he's been my unsung hero. At

      • the Penman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Personally, I’ve hardly got any defenders. I’ve got a bunch of wingers who are in the opposition box loads though...

      • circusmonkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Have gone 4 big defenders: Alonso, Robbo, Trippier, Smallface (not sure about that one but he's staying for now), Then Ryan (genius signing) and Fidel Castro. I looked at the points for the season for 5.5 - 6m defenders and they are far higher and for more players than for mids and forwards of the same price. There is value in defense and that was last year before the increased concentration of defending scores mentioned in the article.

      • thischarmingman
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Sort players on Value, it's mostly GKs and defenders, and that´s what we want. Most points per million spent. Still need some players who get the big points for captaincy, but investing more money in defence seems to make sense.

      • WesMantooth
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        It is a viable strategy, but I think it needs to be more "flexible" (yuck, hate that word), than simply loading up on the most expensive defenders.

        I wouldnt splash to get one of the top6 gks, we should all be able to pick a cheaper gk that can get fairly close to the top performing top6 gk.

        I also believe it needs to be a 4/5 at the back with Doherty being the key.simply because he looks like one of the most valuable players in the game as a rotational piece (Wolves are getting as high as 50% likelyhood of CS in favourable fixtures). If i was to leave him untouched with 4 others, I'd opt for Robbo, Mendy, Trippier and Alonso alongside him, but this game does give us transfers....

        What I'm suspecting will be the lesson learned from this season is that spending transfers on defence is key. One of my focuses this year has been trying to target the players that are about to embark on fixtures with high promises of cleans. Clean sheets are far more related to fixtures than attacking returns, which makes it much simpler to "spot" the right move. Chances are, that every second week or so, you have the possibility to swap a player with bad chances of Cleans 30% or lower, with a player with a couple of fixtures promising 40-60%.

      • Sideways Backwards
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        3 big is enough, as stated Doherty/AWB and now others can be a 4th if the fixtures are right.

        There is be real value in paying for a premium G, especially if it takes away one of the available slots for that team as it means switching to 2/3 attackers is difficult.

        This year there are a good number of budget players in all positions allowing for an even spread of funds. I can see in the near future requiring 3/4 big hitters in mid plus 1 up top so the money is going to be needed very soon

        1. Sideways Backwards
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          *no real value

        2. WesMantooth
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Very much agree with most of what your sayin. But 3/4 hitters in midfield + up top will never happen. Wont be possible.

          5*10=50

          That leaves an average of 5m to spend on each remaining place. That doesnt make any sense.

      • Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Ederson
        Alonso Mendy Robbo Bellerin AWB

        Looking to switch Ederson to the Liverpool or Chelsea keeper to get 3 City outfield players for GW11

      • Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        As mentioned above, it’s really like have wide attacking midfielders that get clean sheets as a bonus 🙂

      • Dr. Rog
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Pat/Fab
        RMT + Doherty/Balb

      • Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Yes, I've been working towards this model for a few weeks now.

        Currently, I've got Ederson/Mendy and Robbo/VVD.

        I'm considering losing Aguero to get Salah in, at which point my 3rd Citizen will be Laporte.

        It's my view that with Alisson and Laporte stabilising defences, City and LIverpool will achieve 50%+ clean sheets, and VVD and Laporte will be largely immune to rotation.

        Further up the field the biggest hitters will be Hazard, Salah and Lacazette. The latter could be downgraded is someone else emerges in midfield.

        I think that's a good plan.

      • bluenose82
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Would you drop Richarlison or Doherty?
        RMT suggests Richie but I've gotta feeling he might grab a goal against Man Utd.

    3. mike108uk
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      All about the wingbacks this season. Good article. It does depend what formation you are playing. Personally I’m trying to keep a good budget (4.5m) Gk with mendy, alonso and Robertson in front. Then have 2 budget DF that are likely to get the points. This allows me to flip between 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 all the time maintaining a strong defence. With the odd exception I’m not finding the MF or FW as dependable as my DF.

    4. cescpistols1
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      1FT, 3.3 ITB. G2G or make a move? Monitoring TAA for one more week to see if he starts.

      Ederson
      Alonso TAA Doherty Shaw
      Hazard (v) Maddison Fraser
      Firmino (c) Aguero Arnautovic

      Hamer Rich Stephens AwB

      1. woody3260
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Trent to Mendy

        1. Annie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Isn't that move better next week?

    5. RUUD!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Bench Doherty or Laporte?

      1. jia you
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        If in doubt, play the premium asset from the best team!
        Remember Otamendi hauling at OT last season when most benched him for a lesser player that blanked.

      2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Don't bench Laporte

      3. WesMantooth
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        The clearcut unbiased and logical answer is Doherty.

        - higher likelyhood of getting a CS
        - higher likelyhood of getting an attacking return.

        Only real advantage choosing Laporte is that hes got a higher baseline bonus.

        Now, if the choice was between mendy and Doherty, now that would be a difficult one.

    6. CROCosta
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      My team for this week:
      Ederson (tot)
      Alonso (bur)- Lovren (CAR) - Pereira (WHU) - Chilwell (WHU)
      Salah (c) (CAR) - Hazard (bur)- Hojbjerg (NEW)
      Aguero (tot)- Wilson (ful)- Murray (WOL)
      b: Hamer (not playing)- Richarlison (mun) - Kante (bur) - Diop (lei)

      Should i use bench boost?

      1. woody3260
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        No

    7. He shoots he scores
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Interesting article, especially as I was looking at the options of going the other way and spending minimum funds on defence:
      Something along the lines of;
      Fab
      Gomez - Doherty - AWB
      Hazard - Salah - KDB - Ozil
      Jimenez - Lacazette - Arnie

      Bennet / 4m def / Hojbjerg

      Not doing it yet as it requires multiple transfers and waiting for KDB to warm up and Arsenal's tricky fixtures to pass but I that midfield could go big time
      Would be interested to hear what you think

      1. WesMantooth
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        In theory that's a mediocre team. Most of the players are good from a "value-perspective" (points per million), but those defenders are awful when considering the replacements you could have, with just a little more investment.

    8. Swanremainsthesame
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      6 CS in 9 from both City & Liverpool skew the numbers.
      If continued would mean both likely to break the 14 year record of Arsenal Invincibles set in 2004-2005.

      If you think that is reasonable to assume then best triple up on their defenders to grab 170 points + bonus +assists, + goals for a probable 200+ from each of their wings backs.

      If not , consider that defenders normally score their points by playing nearly every game, whereas mids,strikers rarely do that, and even then go in noticeable form patches - which is why TFs on mids & fwds should mean +points, but much less often with defenders - partly as only a very few get high points.

      1. jkdeclan
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah perhaps not sustainable, but the percentage of possession that City (and to a lesser extent Liverpool) enjoy, and the amount of shots they concede, is unheard of. Laporte and VVD also seem to have solved some of the issues from last season, and have had more time to bed in. We may not see record-breaking levels, but I don't think what we've witnessed in the first 9 gameweeks is a total anomaly.

    9. MikeBravo
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      And what happens if Cardiff, Spurs, and Burnley score this weekend?
      Tune in for next week's article, 're-thinking our re-thought defensive strategy' 😉

      1. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Mendy, Robbo & Alonso all get a brace chasing the game ? 😉

    10. brianutd-why always we? 20
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I asked this question last season and again would be interested in getting the views of the community.
      Liverpool - no Premier League titles ever but getting closer. The fans say ‘it’s our year’ annually.
      Can they take the crown this time?

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I don't say it annually.. Probably i did 2 times 2008 and 2013, i think we deserved to win both.

    11. price
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      what to do with aguero? im worried about his minutes?
      swap for lacazette and bring in sterling or de Bruyne for midfield?

    12. WesMantooth
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Good post. Puta forward a lot of thoughts that I believe people are finally entertaining. I've written som articles about "value" earlier where I've tried do discuss the pro's and con's of opting for more investment in defence / more defensiveminded formations. I'll list some of the cons here, as theyre not mentioned in the article.

      A: formationcosts
      5 at the back is more expensive than 3 atb. In theory 1 million is left unused simply by formation alone. This has to do with defs and gks having a different pricefloor than mids and strikers.

      B: players of the bench
      We do have to rely on our bench from time to time. Having a cheap def as 1st sub should give better chances of getting good bench points from a cheap mid. Its logical, how often does a 4.0-4.5m defender return vs how often does a 4.5 mid return.

      C: less captaincyoptions
      The 5man D doesnt do this alone, but an expensive one does. If nearly a third of our real "36m-budget" goes in to our defence, then owning more than two captaincyoptions seems unlikely. Not sure if more than two is needed, but its certainly worth noting.

      My take on defence is that its worth investing in, but goalies are not. Its more than okay to double up, and its more than okay to own 3 premiums. Whether 4 or 5 is "smart" is something I dont want to be to opinionated on. People seem to differ in opinion from week to week. What I do find prudent is willingness to spend transfers on D, as I believe this to be the easiest place to assess where transfers wil yeild positive results.

      1. jkdeclan
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks for the pushback. As I think you've spotted, I'm not so much trying to recommend a specific tactic as I am trying to change the way the defence is perceived. My first thought is usually "how cheap can I go?", but this season has given me pause.

        I'm not sure I understand the £1m left unused theory. Could you explain further?

        You're probably right about the goalkeepers. I'm thinking about moving Patricio along, but I am reluctant to bring in either Allison, Ederson, or Kepa. There's just very little chance of them getting any bonus.

        I also take your point about having a decent bench. Perhaps at the moment 4 at the back plus a reliable, cheap sub would be optimal. One of the problems I'm trying to address in this article is the lack of good midfield options in the £5-6.5m bracket. For example, if it's a choice between, say, switching out Fraser for a similar player next week, or upgrading a defender and downgrading Fraser, I might be inclined to do the latter.

        As for captaincy options, there is an argument that one or two of those premier defenders (Mendy and Robertson specifically) are now viable candidates. Indeed, in the current climate, those two might even be the best options! (Not that I'll for one second think of taking the armband off Salah this weekend!)

    13. Cheshire Duck
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Pick one option, I have 2 FT and 0 ITB
      A) Richarlison + Doherty > Pereyra + Pereira
      B) Richarlison + Doherty > Pereyra + Duffy
      C) Richarlison + Doherty > Milner + Bellerin
      D) Richarlison > Milner and save 1 FT
      E) Richarlison > Pereyra and save 1FT

      My team atm :
      Fabianski - Foster
      Mendy - Robertson - Bennett - Doherty - Wan Bissaka
      Hazard - Salah - Richarlison - Fraser - Maddison
      Deeney - Aguero - Arnautovic

      1. The 12th Man
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        So you’re definitely moving Rich.
        From those E.

        If your considering A I’d go Chilwell over Periera. I have the latter and getting slightly worried about his game time in future weeks.

    14. Eytexi
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Any news on Hazard last night?

    15. ESilva23
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Intrigued by this argument, but no wildcard for a mass overhaul so considering:

      TAA, AWB, Vardy -> Robbo, Rudiger/Azpi, Ings (-8)

      Then perhaps Bellerin -> VVD/D Luiz next week on FT

      Current Squad:
      Ederson, Foster
      Bellerin, Doherty, Boly, TAA, AWB
      Salah, Haz, KDB, Mads, Kenedy
      Vardy, Arnie, Jimenez

      Thoughts?