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Gameweek 13 of Fantasy Premier League (FPL) begins at the City Ground, where Nottingham Forest and Liverpool meet in the 12.30pm BST kick-off.

Most Premier League clubs have played three matches over the last week and none have had turnarounds as quick as Liverpool, so there is unsurprisingly more rotation from Jurgen Klopp today.

Having made five changes to his starting XI in Gameweek 12, the Reds’ head coach has done the same again this lunchtime.

Trent Alexander-Arnold is among those players dropping to the bench, while Darwin Nunez – flagged as a doubt ahead of this game – isn’t involved at all.

Thiago Alcantara doesn’t make the matchday squad, either, with Klopp explaining ahead of kick-off why those two players aren’t available today:

“No [it’s not precautionary], I wish I could do that.

“For Darwin the game comes too early, he still feels the intensity of the game muscle-wise so there was no chance he could play today. Maybe he could play tomorrow or on Monday but not today.

“And Thiago got a bad ear infection overnight. The decision was made this morning at 5.15. That’s how it is sometimes and that’s the reason for that.” – Jurgen Klopp

Jordan Henderson and Kostas Tsimikas are the other two players to make way, while Andrew Robertson, James Milner, Harvey Elliott, Fabinho and Curtis Jones are handed recalls.

If Klopp is sticking with his new-look 4-4-2, Darwin’s absence means that Mohamed Salah looks set to play through the middle alongside Roberto Firmino.

As for hosts Nottingham Forest, Neco Williams gets another start and comes face to face with his old club.

Steve Cooper’s two changes see Brennan Johnson and Orel Mangala drop to the bench and Taiwo Awoniyi and Cheikhou Kouyate return.

GAMEWEEK 13 LINE-UPS

Nottingham Forest: Henderson, Aurier, Cook, McKenna, Williams, Yates, Freuler, Kouyate, Gibbs-White, Awoniyi, Lingard.

Substitutes: Biancone, Worrall, Mangala, Hennessey, Surridge, Johnson, Dennis, Boly, Renan Lodi.

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Milner, Gomez, van Dijk, Robertson, Elliott, Fabinho, Jones, Salah, Firmino, Carvalho.

Substitutes: Adrian, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Tsimikas, Clark, Bajcetic, Phillips, Kelleher, Alexander-Arnold.


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  1. Football is home
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Robertson to Trent for free?

    1. Paqueta Rice
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Williams

      1. Football is home
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Have him already.

  2. Over Midwicket
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Hendo or Raya on WC. Pope and Newcastle don’t concede shots anymore

    1. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Raya

  3. Lingard’s Shin Guards
    4 years, 4 days ago

    wonder if klopp goes back into the dressing room and rips into his team or tells them the grass was too long

  4. F4L
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Trossard at wing back again, de Zerbi really doesn't rate Estupinan does he?

    1. Dannyb
      4 years, 4 days ago

      His rulebreakers card is quite good on fifa haha

  5. The Reptile
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    4 years, 4 days ago

    I know mate _ same here - Firmino and Salah useless

  6. Sandy Ravage
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Henderson out for a hit to get Saka was a no-brainer

  7. The Philosopher
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Anyone got Pep's number? I just wanna talk.

    1. TheBiffas
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Or better, his home address

      1. el polako
        4 years, 4 days ago

        1 Ivory Tower
        Dreams Land

  8. Postman Ty
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Forest are so bad they missed a 2v1 from half with an empty net, but still won.

  9. el polako
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Mane knew...

    1. TheBiffas
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Not sure he did mate

  10. Mirror Man
    4 years, 4 days ago

    People laughed at me when I told them the CS expo could affect Foden's minutes. Jokes on them.

  11. Free Hat
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Yes ,Salah isnt the same.
    But seeing the line up this wasnt unexpected.
    Jones, Carvalho, Milner agent good enough.
    Fabinho totally out of form.
    Firmino was poor.
    Elliot tries but seems the only one.

    There was just no creativity in midfield and no matter who you put in front , if you dont get the ball you cant score.

    Nfo deserved this win

    1. SouthCoastSaint
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Hindsight though. They conceded 3 at home to Bournemouth and Fulham. Wasn’t beyond the realms of possibility that Salah might score a few

      1. Free Hat
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Not really. I posted it before kick off.
        Not saying liv couldnt have scored, or salah.
        Just saying liv have too many injuries, players out form or players who just dont cut it.

        Seeing the line up you could tell Salah would have problems getting the ball.

        There is a huge difference between a taa, thiago,luiz on the pitch than a milner,Jones,carvalho.

        1. SouthCoastSaint
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Yep agree. Both Jones and Elliot have shown potential but no where near levels of those injured as you pointed out;

          Forest executed the game perfectly

  12. Football is home
    4 years, 4 days ago

    All Liverpool away games should have red or purple colour evaluation.

    1. el polako
      4 years, 4 days ago

      And Salah revalued at 7.5m

  13. TheBiffas
    4 years, 4 days ago

    3 points from 3 players, roll on the rest of the week

    1. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I'm on 1 point from 2

  14. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Looking forward to the post match interview from the toothy beard.

    1. el polako
      4 years, 4 days ago

      "Man City spent 2 more pounds than us, that's why we've lost today".

  15. SouthCoastSaint
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Liverpool must have been insanely over performing in previous seasons as this regression across every player bar Allison is crazy.

    The side ways passing of Henderson in that second half would have driven me insane if it was a fan

    1. TheBiffas
      4 years, 4 days ago

      We're well and truly WASHED.

      1. SouthCoastSaint
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Purely on Klopp. I know he has players returning from injury but benching your only player likely to create is madness.

        1. TheBiffas
          4 years, 4 days ago

          He's been caught out playing weaker sides against "easy" opposition before now, he never learns his lesson

          1. SouthCoastSaint
            4 years, 4 days ago

            Looking forward to the post match excuses.

            Will probably cite all the money forest have spent as a reason for the loss and Liverpool can’t compete financially

    2. diesel001
      4 years, 4 days ago

      They weren't overperforming. The balance of attack vs defence was different.

      Compare Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum with Jones, Fabinho, Elliott.

      Plus Nunez and Diaz are more attacking (don't put in the hard defensive yards) than Mane. So they have overtilted to attack, which exposes their defence, which means they concede more and lose more games.

      1. SouthCoastSaint
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Disagree entirely. Problem today was attack. They looked clueless against the low block:

        Granted few good chances from set pieces they barley created anything

        1. diesel001
          4 years, 4 days ago

          They look clueless against the low block because they can't unleash the full-backs (TAA didn't even start) because more of their attack is coming through midfield and forwards.

          A few seasons ago, the low block was defeated by pushing the full backs so high the pitch and the midfield three being fairly deep. Occasionally one of Wijnaldum or Henderson would make a late run forward.

          Need to go back to the old ways. Protect TAA and Robbo, by being defensive in midfield and let TAA and Robbo run riot.

          1. SouthCoastSaint
            4 years, 4 days ago

            Very much agree

    3. Nanoelektronicar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      4 years, 4 days ago

      You can't go just on intensity forever.

  16. Bobby Digital
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Sell Foden everyone!

  17. FPL_trail_runner
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Anyone with Salah realistically needs to keep since its a wildcard in 3 weeks

    Pretty poor use of funds to move him to Saka ( and besides the current structure allows likes of Saka /Foden and Salah

    1. TheBiffas
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Agreed

    2. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      4 years, 4 days ago

      i would rather someone that will score pts even if they're 5m cheaper

      1. FPL_trail_runner
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Good luck finding that other someone who you can be sure will outscore him - i mean he scored 6 days ago

        He is still on pens and getting chances and as i said its only 3 weeks left till wildcard , so ya poor use of a transfer

        1. v1nc3
          4 years, 4 days ago

          KDB.

  18. FPL_trail_runner
    4 years, 4 days ago

    May sell Firmino for Jesus for -4 at this rate. Not loving having Bobby who may need to play CL midweek

  19. Mirror Man
    4 years, 4 days ago

    When you spend more time on teeth maintenance than you do football tactics, these are the kind of things you can expect to happen.

    Less toothy, more footy. That's the way to turn it around.

    1. el polako
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Maybe he's trying too hard to impress Firmino.

  20. FPL_trail_runner
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Would love a comfy 3-0 city will with the random scorers of Silva Mahrez and Grealish

    Haaland 1 assist will do .

    (No relation to having captained Salah of course)

  21. Ahmed Adam
    4 years, 4 days ago

    I captained Salah (C), Who else did that

    1. el polako
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Just you.

    2. SouthCoastSaint
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Yep. Being a sheep gets you up the ranks but was a good week to punt on Salah.

      Oh well. Foden to look forward to at least….

    3. FPL_trail_runner
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Loads

      Changed 5min before deadline when i saw he was central

      Good decision bad outcome

      Forest have a record level bad defence based on all stats

      Brighton are top 8 defence.

      Liverpool despite playing poor put up 2 xg

    4. Mirror Man
      4 years, 4 days ago

      letstalkaboutnotmakingourownfpldecisions.com may or may not have done that.

  22. jwong23
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Klopp is such a gracious loser

  23. afsr
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Rage transfers incoming
    A - Salah, Solanke -> Fernandes, Toney (-4)
    B - Salah, Solanke -> Rashford, Kane (-4)
    C - Salah, Solanke -> Zaha, Nunez (-4)

    1. Mirror Man
      4 years, 4 days ago

      A), as I reckon that's the worst option and by picking the worst option you in turn make my team better.

      1. afsr
        4 years, 4 days ago

        So B then, ok

  24. confused01
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Neco price rise incoming

  25. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
    4 years, 4 days ago

    LIverpool win percentages this season.
    With Thiago= 60%
    Without Thiago= 36%

    Loss percentages this season
    With Thiago= 20%
    Without Thiago= 45%

    The only mid they've got who would get into another top half team.

  26. Ten Hag of Bud
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Son & Cancelo to De Bruyne & Trippier... -4?