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30 August 2015 1655 comments
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Having steadied the ship with a 0-0 draw against Watford, Southampton will fancy their chances of bagging all three points at home to Norwich City this afternoon. The Canaries will have other ideas – they could make it two wins in succession on the road if they can consign the Saints to another defeat at St Mary’s Stadium.

While they’ve already conceded five goals this term, Southampton went into the weekend ranked sixth-bottom for shots conceded inside the box (19) so are hardly being comprehensively overrun. Nonetheless, a 4.4% conversion rate highlights their current paucity of quality in the final third – something they’ll need to rectify to bag their first home goal of the season.

Alex Neil’s outfit has been an offensive powerhouse in these early stages, tallying more attempts (55) and big chances (eight) than Manchester City. In fact, no team carded more attempts than Norwich (20) in Gameweek three, which should serve as a fair warning to Saints given the proficiency of their own attack.

  1. JamieLfc
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Rule #1 don't ditch a player who has a good home fixture coming up next,unless he isnt nailed

    1. Would an idiot do that?
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Home is what it used to be

      1. Would an idiot do that?
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        *isnt

  2. Too Mane Men
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Benched Cedric 🙁

    Mane finally though! Thank god!

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Benched Cedric at home to Norwich? What?

      1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        This

  3. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Any chance Azpi gets dropped for that new guy?

    1. Jay Jay Okocha
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I think Ivan will

    2. How Mina You
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Why would he? If anyone were to get dropped, it should be Ivanovic.

  4. Kered
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Cedric looking good on the wing. Really getting forward now

  5. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Mane giving me some save points to say sorry.

  6. Greenbackbøøg…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Feel a bit silly selling Mane and not Ozil now..

  7. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Just got home, how has Cedric looked?

    1. BlzE_94
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      average, made some crosses but nothing on the end of it.

  8. Murder on Zidane's Flo…
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    I've been really impressed with Pelle today. He's done everything a lone frontman should. I've been surprised tbh. Fair at to him

    1. Murder on Zidane's Flo…
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      *play

    2. Sif
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Has looked a lot sharper, against 10 men chasing a draw though so always going to be more flattering.

      1. Murder on Zidane's Flo…
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Even before the dismissal looked more lively than I expected. It's more the desire he has shown and the intelligence when making decisions.

  9. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    How the hell has Ruddy not got a single save point.....?!

    1. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      He should have one, I guess FPL glitched

  10. Alan Hansen's Emu
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Deary me, lost the following from my team on a WC:
    -KOS
    -CEDRIC
    -PELLE
    -STERLING

    ......

    Nothing worse than having no gains from your WC team.

    1. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      why did you use WC?? follow the crowd?
      those players above have good fixtures

  11. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Shizzzzzz Pelle and Mane looking lethal

    :(:(:(

  12. The pitfalls of a rigid team structure
    Ruth_NZ
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Why has the "FFS Template" performed badly over the first 4 GWs?

    Well, one thing is player selection hasn't turned out well. But there is an interesting underlying factor.

    Experienced FPL managers tend to operate with a "narrow" squad in terms of structure. Some of the classic elements of this structure are cheap defenders (maybe 1 premium defender and 4 rotators at 4.5/4.0) and the "bench" midfielder at 4.5. That's for 3-4-3 but for 3-5-2 you would replace the 4.5 bench midfielder with a 4.5 or 5.0 bench striker, the principle is the same.

    This type of structure is used for one primary reason: to enable the discretionary spend to be funnelled into high value midfielders and forwards; to shoe-horn the maximum number of premium attackers into one's team.

    The problem is that this season the premium attackers have mostly shot blanks. Of the seven highest priced players - Aguero, Silva, Costa, Hazard, Sanchez, Rooney, Sturridge - only Silva has delivered anything like expected performance (and even he has been outshone in FPL by the cheaper Yaya). Rooney, Aguero and Sanchez have managed 1 goal between them and none is beating a miserable 3 points per game so far.

    It could therefore be argued that the very structure that has been seen to be "best by test" (to use Triggerlips' term) has worked against experienced managers so far. Those who didn't worry about strict structure, got in the players they liked without too much reference to fixtures, spent more than is usual on defence and rotated cheaper attackers rather than concentrating on the premium ones have been rewarded well for such a broad-spectrum approach.

    Those who have held the wildcard (I haven't) could now be very well rewarded too. The fixtures take a big turn in GW13 and by then the season should have settled down into a recognisable pattern. In the meantime it may be that a slight softening of structure to something that may be less "efficient" but has better coverage in a time when predicting player performance is harder is called for.

    In the long haul, experienced managers will claw back some of the deficits. But maybe not if they are too rigid in insisting this is "a season like any other". Clearly, so far, it isn't.

    1. fusen
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Summarised -

      "the big hitters haven't been scoring"

      we all recognise the fact

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Not a fair summary, but then I doubt you intended it to be.

        It's like a highly tuned car. It is good in ideal circumstances on a good, smooth road. Take it on a rough road and it will run into trouble.

        The "optimum" structure is similar. It is tuned to extract maximum performance on the usual, smooth FPL road. Take it on a rough road (9 home wins only in 40 games for example) and it may not cope so well. In additional it lacks the flexibility to adjust fast. Hence the many early wildcards.

        If I wanted to say "the big hitters haven't been scoring" that's what I would have written. In fact I wouldn't have bothered as it is so obvious. I was making an observation about squad structure.

    2. Jay Jay Okocha
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      You just articulated the most important reason I held my WC despite a brutal start

    3. RÏɠBY
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      what was the ffs template pre season?

    4. Sánchez
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Its true. The funding of many big value players along with then 4.0 keeper, 4.5 mid, 4.5 defence etc. basically leaves no choice week to week.
      As soon as some big hitters blank, that model crumbles as it leaves a lack of a solid spine of good players in a squad.
      My cheap attacker was 4.5 and is now 5.4 when bought (wilson). That extra 1m tohave a choice each week is worth it i think (i started him ahead of payet this week).
      The template basically isnt flexible and gives little choice. I understand wanting some big hitters, but 3/4 10.0 plus players is overkill when you cant captain them all.
      Better to have a couple, then a solid team with good mid range picks and a defence which allows decent rotation for a slight spend and 2 keepers you can play.

      I dont feel ok having anyone in my squad who i am reluctant to play when they have a decent fixture.

    5. FPLzebub
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Interesting. Before the season started I identified GW13 as the optimum to use my WC and set up my squad with the maximum flexibility in order to hold on till then with the option of playing any formation according to fixtures. My players and captain picks haven't performed well but the team structure has bailed me out and i've been able to stay on plan for a Wk13 WC.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        If you have a reasonable points score right now alongside that then it sounds as if you are in a strong position.

      2. invertebrate
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        I'm with you on this. I'm languishing in 1.6m but I have a flexible squad that is starting to pick up points here and there. With some tweaks and the occasional hit along the way I think I'm still on course for wildcarding circa GW13.

      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Sturridge has delivered exactly what I expected so far....

    6. Crystal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      This is a good point and what I take from it is, is that it's better to spend the extra on that fifth mid rather than having s 4.5 where you can only expect a 2 point return each week. The challenge then comes in the form of who to play. If I had Sako I doubt I would have played him away to Chelsea so then the counter argument is you are always going to bench points in some form. I do get that if you have a bigger player pull in your squad it gives you a better chance of returns but you would still need to field that player. Of course having the flexibility can only be a good thing until the season establishes a pattern

      1. Donkey_Sanctuary
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        This is a good point when you have your budget spread more evenly you definitely have more benching dilemmas. Although it hasn't worked out well so far in general it is best to have at least 2 big hitters for captaincy. If you had five 7m mids and three 8m forwards picking a captain would be difficult

    7. The Non Flying Dutchman
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      When a particular tactic has worked well for so long it is a calculated risk to move away from it.

      A made a midfield transfer yesterday and didnt even think about swapping out my 'permanently benched 5th midfielder'. I thought about it after and was kicking myself, especially as I'm now sitting here with £5m in the bank.

      Having a 'proper' 15 man squad -

      Advantages
      1) flexibility to vary your starting eleven for any given week from your own squad without transferring
      2) own multiple cheaper bandwagon/form players that will yield profit when sold

      Disadvantages
      1) potentially can't jump on a big hitter bandwagon without multiple transfers which cost points
      2) Managers can't cope with the psychology of making a (bad) decision of who to start each week.

      you are right in that we are on a 'rocky road' and we should be realise the need to be flexible in our thinking.

      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Nice list of the advantages and disadvantages there.

        For me I'm glad I still have a WC intact so I can take a risk with a premium defence and a strong front 8. Yes its still a rotation issue each week but I see that as a positive rather than a negative.

        The key part though is that still having a WC solves the #1 disadvantage there. When the big hitters start firing then a WC can quickly resolve the issue.

      2. invertebrate
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Disadvantage 2 is my biggest bugbear with responses to RMTs on this site. Benched points seem to be the most abhorrent possibility in the game. How, though, is it better to not have that player in your squad at all? If they perform well and you want them in, presto, you already have them! Also, even if you don't intend to play them next game you may still get a nice price rise out of it. As you say, the problem is purely psychological, not actual.

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Yep. The narrow mindset is what I'm taking about really.

          Here's another example. I decided to remove Eriksen last week because of injury, didn't fancy playing my bench midfielder. It was for a -4.

          I had 4.0 sitting in the bank, my Costa fund. I had decided to bring in Ayew - not the best fixture but good fixtures after that and also good for a couple of price rises. Then I saw it would mean 5.4 in the bank. "How can that be efficient?" I thought. So I upgraded Eriksen to Sanchez instead - even though I don't think Sanchez is good value at all. "Value is irrelevant if you have 5.6 in the bank" was my reasoning.

          Sanchez 3 points, Ayew 13 points, my Costa fund spent and still no Gomis, Ayew or Sigurdsson. It's as if the rules of thumb I am going by - "keep a tight structure, don't leave cash in the bank..." are just the wrong ones right now.

          Hence my attempt to understand why I have these "rules" and whether I need to change them.

          Of course, if I were picking the "right" players or if Sanchez had fired at the weekend I probably wouldn't be asking the question. 😕

          1. invertebrate
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Yep, I did the exact same thing with Sanchez a couple of weeks back when Mahrez would have been the better pick in terms of value. I mean obviously my thinking is results orientated to some degree but I had enough information at the time to select Mahrez instead, even if it did leave 5.5m in the bank. I could do all sorts of wonderful things with that money right now. Maybe I should approach the 100m budget the way my brother approaches the speed limit: "It's a limit, mate, not an ambition."

            ps. I think other drivers hate my brother.

        2. Donkey_Sanctuary
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          I was thinking exactly this about Payet on Saturday. He was on my bench and every time WHU scored I hoped he wasn't involved as I'd be gutted to miss out on the points. However, this is largely irrelevant to the game as a whole and actually having a player in form who would likely rise in value would be more beneficial than having an attacking player who hasn't had a goal or assist in his teams previous 6 goals.

    8. Snibal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I'm currently on my WC, but now that I have played it I'm not sure which big hitters I should get. Don't fancy Hazard or Sanchez at the moment so will probably have a midfield of Pedro, Silva, Mahrez and Ayew. Up front I'm looking at Aguero Gomis and Wilson. Unless I spend an awful lot on my defence ( which I do not plan to) I will have a few million on the bank. As you said Ruth that gives me the feeling I'm not being efficient as not all my money is on the field. But now that you mentioned this psychological feeling, perhaps it's not that bad. I could just have 2-3m in the bank and wait for one of the big hitters to present himself to me and I can easily upgrade Gomis, Ayew or Mahrez.

    9. DOCTOR J
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Had a template team structure initially and wild carded after the second gameweek. Opted for mostly mid-priced midfielders who have been off to a good start. So far rewarded by that policy and also by all the transfers in that have been occurring.

      I think it is a different season at the moment, eventually without a doubt I believe that will change though and one or more of the usual big hitters will become must haves.

      So, flexibility now is good with an eye for the future.

      I think one key point is that with the exception of City, all of the teams the big hitters play for have not found their way yet. Personally, I don't believe Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool will improve very quickly either.

      There are a few teams that are playing very well right now and personally I think those are the players to own... Interestingly they are coming from teams that would normally be considered mid to lower table.

  13. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Mane won't get any more points

  14. Greenbackbøøg…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Cedric you idiot...

  15. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Cedric with some great defending haha

  16. thunder_mike
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Come on Norwich, I benched Targett for Richards this GW.

  17. Mick
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    I know it's always more obvious when a defender is making mistakes than a forward etc...

    But is it just me or is Ivanovic having the worst ever turn around in performances from one season to another.

    It's very rare to see a Jose Mourinho team have any particular area targeted as they are usually so resilient everywhere, but every week this season we've seen Ivanovic being completely torn apart by opposition wingers.

    Time for Azpi to right back and the new left back to be given a chance?

  18. The Light Knight
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    The one good thing about today is that it means Whittaker is gone now and Wisdom is in. now Whittaker won't cost us a winnable home match

  19. Pariße
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    hahah wtf was that cedric?

    1. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Better safe than sorry

  20. RÏɠBY
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    pelle maybe upping his game now jRod is on

  21. LewanGOALski
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Pelle should already be on 10+ points...

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Hes doing a Kane, except for the fact that he scored, unlike Kane.

  22. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Well done Pelle. Knew he'd leave my team in style. Did Pelle to Wilson yesterday.

  23. KingNidge
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    wouldnt fancy getting into a scrap with alex neill

  24. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Come on Pelle, grab another goal son.

  25. Pedram
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Soton totally dominating Norwich

    1. Numb
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Are they going for more goals or just dominating to close the game out, like Arsenal yesterday?

  26. England's Number 1
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Man Utd will beat Swansea because they have the away advantage. #AwayAdvantage

  27. davysteen
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Worth a wildcard? If not what should I do?

    Butland Ruddy
    Azpi Kolarov Cedric Martin Francis
    Hazard Ramsey Coutinho Mahrez Ibe
    Aguero Pelle Wilson

  28. I Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    bps so far?

  29. Hybrid.power
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Come on Pelle! He should have scored so much more by now

  30. Would an idiot do that?
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Mane again