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The Numbers Game – Van der Vaart Vs Adebayor

28 October 2011 748 comments
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With a favourable run of fixtures and five wins from six games, Tottenham look likely to receive some strong Fantasy investment over the upcoming weeks. In particular, two players stand head and shoulders above the rest- Rafael Van der Vaart and Emmanuel Adebayor.

Van der Vaart is, arguably, the form Fantasy Premier League (FPL) player right now. The Dutchman has scored in each of his last four games, netting five times in total and returned 11 bonus points in that previous quartet of fixtures, making him top-scoring player for bonus so far this season. Adebayor’s arrival on loan from Man City has proved a shrewd piece of business by Harry Redknapp and, after six games, has 3 goals, 4 assists and 6 bonus points to his name already.

In this latest Members article, we delve into our own ICT Index and Opta stats to analyse the pair’s performances for the season so far to aid those weighing up the cost and benefits of acquiring their talent ahead of Gameweek 10…

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  1. Menly
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Am I the only person here who didn't start in gw 1?

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Possibly 8)

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      1. Menly
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Hmmm i've been doing ok since then but its hard to catch up! Slowly and steady though..

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    2. Dom Salahnke
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Me too.. 😉

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    3. Rocket
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      and me..

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    4. andyniterider
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      started week two myself

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  2. Anyonebutdavidpleat
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Boswinga has been dropped by circa 70,000 people. tough week for the lad, yet he's still the same prica atm. Sell, sell, sell!

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    1. ToonTom
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Considering it....see below!

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        He is protected, he won't fall

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          14 years, 1 month ago

          Is he protected because he was incorrectly flagged? Do Mark or Granny own him?! I smell a conspiracy, Daniel 😉

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 1 month ago

            We'll see

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          2. In Like Flynn.
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Shouldn't be protected because of an incorrect flag.

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    2. CarelessGenius©
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      i'm keeping him.....he's gonna come good. like moses this week.....

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  3. ToonTom
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    So...

    Bos or Ward to Shawcross worth a 4 point hit?

    Vorm
    Kompany,Simpson,Bos,
    VDV,Silva,Petrov,Moses
    RVP,Suarez,Sturridge

    Ruddy,Dyer,Ward,Gabbidon

    Team atm.....want rid of Bos/Ward...but def changes arent worth a hit are they?!

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      • 15 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Got rid of Ward myself a few weeks ago and havent regretted it. Id bin him personally.

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      1. ToonTom
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Im thinking its not worth a hit though.....

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    2. Fantarific
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Have you made any transfers yet?

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      1. ToonTom
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        One change - Mata to VDV early on.
        I have not been able to think things through due to work much this year...but its half term! So one early change and I dont see Bos or Ward keeping CS, and hate to say it but I can see a cleanie for Stoke on Monday

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        1. Fantarific
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          14 years, 1 month ago

          Hmm, tough one.

          Sure you don't want Aguero? In my opinion, Bosingwa CS is more of a chance than RvP scoring.

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  4. CFC1990
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    Hi guys, I have a bit of a dilemma this week.

    Who do you think I should choose out of the following (can only have two)?

    1) Bosingwa
    2) Martin Petrov
    3) Ramsey
    4) Johnson (Norwich Midfielder)

    I already have Van Persie, Ramsay, Sinclair and Vorm and worried about having too many players from one match. However, Ramsey is in great form against a leaky Chelsea defence. Bosingwa could also get assists though as well as a slight chance of a clean sheet. Petrov has been poor last couple of weeks but Bolton do need the win.

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    1. mdog
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Bos and ramsey.

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    2. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Bosingwa and Ramsey imo.

      Gibbs is out so Bos will be up against Santos
      Ramsey > Petrov

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      1. CFC1990
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks guys. I have Bos and Ramsey at the moment. I am a Chelsea fan but think it will be a high scoring game at Stamford Bridge tommorow.

        I also have Silva in my team but have Martin Petrov as first sub just in case Silva is rested.

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        1. HuttonDressedasLahm
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Correct choice imo.

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    3. The Spudgunner
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      B.Johnson and M.Petrov,Norwich v Blackburn only one win in the league so far and if Swansea do concede you know Patrov or Eagles will be involved.

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    4. MYTWOCENTS
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I have the same 4 and I have Bosingwa and Johnson ATM

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  5. Mihai Roman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Any chance Agbonlahor will rise tonight? Or Adebayor falling .1?

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      No, and no.
      probably the opposite

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  6. Attila the Bum
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    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    BREAKING TOON NEWS

    S.Taylor to wear Zorro mask, Tiote to face late decision over his fitness to face Stoke
    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/10/28/steven-taylor-to-use-protective-mask-at-stoke-72703-29676274/

    Oh and Bramble has been charged with sexual assault.

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Breaking TOON news:

      They are going down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      1. Attila the Bum
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Ha. Behave.

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      2. Lucky_2010
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        by single goal lol

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    2. J0E
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      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      On guard Senor Taylor....welcome back into my starting line up. thanks for that Attila.

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      1. tosey
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        im getting rid anyway, have simpson aswell and with their upcoming fixtures i dont expect many cleanies

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        1. J0E
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          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          He's for the chop for me soon....but already made my change this week to get VDV in. Next week's fixture isn't too bad for Newcastle, but after that he's out of my team.

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          1. HuttonDressedasLahm
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Agreed, but then Im WCing the week after

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      2. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        On my bench, so not a problem.

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    3. ToonTom
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Haha you know Taylor LOVES that..he is always so desperate to be Mr Newcastle and a warrior!

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      1. Attila the Bum
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        🙂
        I know, someone reminded me yesterday of Marcelino (remember that Spanish twat?) who was out for 6 weeks with a broken finger. What. A. Nance.

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        1. ToonTom
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Ah they were great days...we bought players that were meant to be quality and destroyed them! I remember him yes.,..!

          By the way...you been reading that Mehdi may be playing the Tiote role in Jan when Tiote off in Africa? Could a good budget buy..hes not even on the game yet!

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          1. Attila the Bum
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            • 15 Years
            14 years, 1 month ago

            He'll certainly get some more game time, he's been doing well in the reserves from what I've noticed. Guthrie was alright against Blackburn too, but I am worried about the African Nations, we're already losing Tiote and Ba, now we're on about signing Miaga so we can lose him as well.

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            1. ToonTom
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              14 years, 1 month ago

              Yeah his first game will be for his country! Id like to see Gosling get a go, but we will see. Hoping Jan we get at least one decent defender, we are SO light at the back

              See that Liverpool at sniffing around Captain Collo now too? They can F*** off!

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              1. Attila the Bum
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                14 years, 1 month ago

                Bunch of arseholes, it would be fricking hilarious if those rumours about them wanting Ryan Taylor for £10m are true.
                Why didn't they just buy the effing club when Fatty wanted £80m for it?!

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    4. Pasqualinho
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Not sure I'd fancy that much, what with being up against that lanky bloke with the sharp elbows.

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  7. 1NAM
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    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I think Aguero will start, there's no question about that. I don't get all the rest and risk talks really. He's been rested on midweek, played only 70 last weekend, so should be making it from the off on Sat. All the fuss about him being possibly rested gone too far over the top I reckon. It's the same we hear week in, week out. I don't have Aguero myself, just wanted to point out that he's nailed on to start tomorrow, and mark my words.

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Agreed

      More chance of Silva rested but dont think so, City will want to press home theie advantage over ManU, and have lots of time till the Villareal game.
      I think the game vs QPR three days after Villareal will more more rotation prone.

      vs Wolves

      DeJong Barry
      Milner Silva Balotelli
      Aguerro

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      1. 1NAM
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        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Mancini will prob field his strongest side with United and Chelsea epxected to be held early on in the day. He will try and make sure he's going to Spaing fully focused with at least 7 pts gap in the league. And no chance Silva will be rested for me. Cheers!

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    2. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I think most people know he will start this week, but the worry is next week.
      Last time he played 3 games in one week he got crocked...

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    3. AP
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Totally agree. The rest/rotation chat on here is ludicrous.

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      1. Back on the horse
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        14 years, 1 month ago

        The rest/rotation chat on here is ludicrous.

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  8. Blue Moon Rising
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    Is Sturride a guaranteed starter?

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      No, but should be

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    2. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      AVB's top choice is Mata- Torres-Sturridge up front.

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    3. Lucky_2010
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      maybe with torres and mata starting up front .......

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    4. dopey1
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      yup

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    5. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      until he stops scoring he is. he doesn't contribute enough to the side other than goals so he wont get the patience of other players if the goals dry up

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      1. AP
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        14 years, 1 month ago

        Booooo. We <3 Foy. We <3 Foy.

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        1. Dago
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          14 years, 1 month ago

          AP your avatar lol

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          1. jamsiep
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            14 years, 1 month ago

            It's actually the opposite of 'lol'.

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            1. Dago
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              14 years, 1 month ago

              cracked me up.

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    6. Blue Moon Rising
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I;m thinking about wildcarding him but noticed he didnt start last week. Think it'd be a bit of a waste if I can guarantee that he'll start

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      1. Blue Moon Rising
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Sorry i meant to say he didn't play full 90 last week and is always coming off early or going on late

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        1. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          The only reason he was the first to be subbed is that Drogba is, technically speaking, a more complete forward so he was left on instead of Sturridge. There's little worry in him being not played but possibly if there's a red card a week for Chelsea he could be first sub.

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      2. The Finnisher
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        14 years, 1 month ago

        He did start last week so that's awkward..

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          He has started every game he has been available for, and he didnt play the 90 last week because Ivanovic came on for him when Bos got sent-off..

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          1. Blue Moon Rising
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 1 month ago

            see above

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    7. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
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      So far he seems as guaranteed a start as both Torres & Mata.

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  9. HuttonDressedasLahm
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    Best transfer for this week for free?????

    Agbonlahor to Balotelli
    Moses to Walters
    Bosingwa to Richards
    None

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    1. notidaho
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      i have almost the same dilemma but with dyer, and i also need SWP and simpson out...

      (i dont know the answer)

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    2. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      mose > walters

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    3. mdog
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      moses to walters

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      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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        14 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks guys, in fact I may do that AND Gabby to Balo

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    4. The Spudgunner
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      No 2,Stoke have a decent run of home fixtures against 3 sides who don't have the best of away records.

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  10. ManTree(v2!) or just JAY!
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    Hello
     
    Please can you RMT?
     
    Vorm (Given)
     
    Kompany, Simpson, Bosingwa (Ward, Gabbidon)
     
    Silva, Petrov, VDV, Dyer (Moses)
     
    Rooney, RVP, Adebayor
     
     
    I have one free transfer and 0.3m in the bank.
     
     
    I was thinking Bosingwa to either shawcross, walker or Richards?

    Or ward to wilkinson?

    Thanks...

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    1. mdog
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Id say ward to wilkinson as your def is a bit weak at the moment.

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      1. Guinney
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I'd be more inclined to swap Gabbidon to Wilkinson. But would get rid of Ward in the coming weeks.
        I'd give Boswinga another chance and if you like downgrade him in the coming weeks.
        I'm bloody sick got in Boyata as my bargain defender last weak, now he is out.

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    2. notidaho
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I wouldn't double up on manC in defence. I'm giving Bosingwa a chance next week. I'd say wilkinson

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    3. The Spudgunner
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Looking

      Good

      but

      Aguero

      and

      Nani

      might

      come

      and

      haunt

      you.

      And

      there

      is

      no

      nead

      to

      leave

      a

      gap

      between

      each

      sentence.

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    4. Hay Number 2
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Very good team mate I wouldd be happy with that....personally I think Bosingwa>>>Shawcross is a very good move. Stoke have decent fixtures and since the opening game of the season the cs's have dried up!

      I did the exact same move 🙂

      Wilkinson is a decent punt but I rather the stability that shawx brings to the FF table 🙂

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    5. reply fail
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      MF little weak but no surprise with RVP & Rooney upfront. Bosingwa -> Shawcross & use the cash to upgrade one of your MF's next week.

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    6. Fantarific
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Sweet team mate. Good differential in Rooney.

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  11. notidaho
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    My teams pretty poor this week. Anyone recommend any changes?

    Vorm(BOL)

    P.Jones(eve) Simpson (sto) Enrique(wba)
    Silva(WOL) Nani(eve) Mata(ARS)
    RVP (che) Adebayor (QPR) Agbon (sun)

    Krul (sto)
    Bosingwa(Ars)
    SWP (sun)
    Dyer(BOL)
    N.Taylor(BOL)

    0.2 in bank, 1 free transfer

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    1. weeurquahrt
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      cause your only playing ten numpty

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      1. notidaho
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        lol good spot. resposting in the new article

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    2. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Play Bosingwa and Dyer and save transfer. If you want VDV instead of Mata then possibly downgrade Enrique to Stoke defender to fund it but bare in mind Liverpool at home to Swans next week.

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      1. notidaho
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        that's an option.don't really wana lose mata either though. probably best seeing how the big dogs perform this week. cheers

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  12. Ryan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    NEW POST IS UP!!!!

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    1. notidaho
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Noo I just posted my team :p

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  13. Back on the horse
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Who has everyone gone for in Forward Thinking?

    and do you hedge against players you dont have in FPL?

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  14. mdog
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Hey guys. Here's my team,

    Vorm (Given)
    Enrique - R Taylor - Smalling - Bosingwa - Ward
    Silva - VDV - Mata - Brunt - Dyer
    Van P - Adebayor - Agbonlahor

    0.5 mil in the bank.

    Wanna get Richards/Walters in but dunno how to work it...wanna ditch Ward too. Worth taking a 4 point hit this week???
    And should I start Dyer v Bolton at home or Brunt v Liverpool??

    Cheers boys

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    1. Guinney
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Decent team but your defence could be revamped though.

      Agree you should move Ward out ASAP. Wilkinson or Brown would be better options and I'd be more inclined to get in Wilkinson as he is 0.5 cheaper.
      I'm not sure if Smalling will start each week so you're taking a risk there. At 5.4million there is better options in & around that price range - Walker (5.5), Assou-Ekotto (5) or Shawcross (5.1).
      I wouldn't say it's a priory this week or even next but Boswinga could be downgraded, then that would free up some money for your midfield.

      I'd start Dyer over Brunt, with Brunt been your first choice sub

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  15. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDOMKKo490&feature=related

    Pay attention to 2.40. I like the whole cheering, but that kind of cheering was seen in the City game right?

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  16. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    "After the next international break we
    play every three days for six months,
    so it will be very difficult"

    Mancini quotes before the Wol game. Hmm... Smell of rotation?

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    1. Cornelius
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Speaking of quotes: best post-derby quote - Noel Gallagher: "Ferguson's biggest mistake was resting Howard Webb".

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      1. Screaming Midget
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Pretty sure he grabbed that over the internet as has been posted after previous games.

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    2. CarelessGenius©
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Mancini better grab the points whilst he can....front 3 of Ag, Bal, and Gecko. and carlos on if he's a good boy....go for double figures....

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  17. Milkman
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Any thoughts on a Ruddy/Vorm rotation? I appreciate they are both budget but I'm desperate to save £0.9m and I currently have both Given and Warnock. Want to stop doubling on the AV defence and this way I can do both my objectives in one move. Both play for pretty bad teams though...

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    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Al Habsi and Vorm would be better.

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  18. goneill79
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Bramble charged with sexual assault.well over due for that fcker.not the 1st time he's been involved in an incident like this.

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  19. Rowley Birkin
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Van Persie to Aguero, yay or nay?

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    1. Screaming Midget
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nah.

      RVP has top form and good fixtures coming.

      Unless you still have Wild Card to bring him back next week.

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    2. CarelessGenius©
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      yay boy. but switch him back next week.....shit, ManC have QPR....hmmm.....

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  20. goneill79
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    any chance Wolves can city a game tomoro or r u all convinced of a city rout?

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    1. CarelessGenius©
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      You missing a few keys there?

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      1. goneill79
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        don't u understand it.sorry. are you. is that better?

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        1. goneill79
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          give city a game!!!!

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    2. Blue Moon Rising
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      double figures is on the cards

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      1. goneill79
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        i tend to back my thoughts on these sites & think to hell with the shit i'll get if i'm wrong.That said i think Wolves will run City close tomoro.

        Mick will expect a reaction after the 1st 80 mins v Swansea.Not saying they'll come away with anything,just not totally convinced it'll be a cricket score.

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  21. seanoflynn
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Worth swapping Nani to VDV for a 4 pt hit?

    I already have Ade and have no other Man Utd players

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    1. pekka
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Im in the same position, and just decided to swap. Vdv is now my captain.

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  22. Eedee
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Suarez & Petrov (bolton) - Balotelli & Walters worth 4 point hit?

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  23. Mansfield
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Afternoon.. any thoughts on my team please.. appreaciated.

    Vorm (al habsi
    Kompany, Simpson, Taylor R (ward, gabbindon)
    Milner, Silva, Van der, Vaart Murphy (dyer)
    Suarez, Adebayor, Van Persie

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    1. Guinney
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Good team, would look to transfer Ward out. Wolves will leak goals in the coming weeks. Wilkinson best bet at the moment and you would save 0.6 million.

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  24. colin1201
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Is Wilkinson the definite starter at right back for stoke?

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  25. Flog the trog
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    hey guys! wildcard week !!

    i asked earlier and everyone said i needed man u cover, but cant get any attacking sooooo

    watdya think about this?

    vorm begovic

    wilkinson jones taylor kompany barnett

    eagles silva vdv dyer walters

    aguero rvp adebayour

    watdya reck?

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    1. Alex Kheruson
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      atleast u can have cleverly in place of eagles....same price & a lit bit manu cover.....

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      1. Flog the trog
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 1 month ago

        never considered that, bolton have some decent fixtures though, im not so sure cleverley will start?

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        1. Alex Kheruson
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 1 month ago

          cleverley will surely start....see his history before got injured...played every game more then 80 mins....i am gonna have him from GW11..in place of petrov

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    2. Stylish
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Aguero and Adebayor to Rooney and Balotelli. Gives you Utd coverage. Wouldn't bother having one of their defenders.

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  26. Stylish
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    5 goals from 7 shots on target for Balotelli this season. #clinical

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  27. ktk_interista
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    • 14 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    whats the chance of stoke-newcastle ending 0-0? ...i'm thinking of playing both r taylor and wilkison

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  28. KOKAK
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Having both VDV and Ade, but risking having no cover for MU, good or bad?

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