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After seven Gameweeks of 2016/17 – which included five away fixtures – Liverpool are sitting pretty in the Premier League.

Jurgen Klopp’s side are just two points off the summit, having chalked up wins over Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester, in addition to a draw on the road at Tottenham.

A Gameweek 2 loss at Burnley – where they produced 26 attempts on goal to their hosts’ three in a 2-0 defeat – has been the one temporary blip for the red half of Merseyside.

It’s fair to say that the Reds’ midfield has been fundamental to their displays – all but one of their 18 goals have arrived from the centre of the park.

From a Fantasy Premier League perspective, though, pinpointing the optimum Liverpool player in any given Gameweek has proven a near-impossible task.

Five of Klopp’s players – James Milner, Philippe Coutinho, Roberto Firmino, Adam Lallana and Sadio Mane – have scored at least three times.

As a result, that quintet are all placed in the top 11 midfielders in FPL, with Milner – despite his stint at left-back – benefitting from spot-kick duties four times already.

With time to pause and assess during the international break, we delve into both the team and player data as Liverpool prepare for a schedule that looks ripe for significant investment.

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  1. Oddjobleff
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Following Jonty's post on midfield BPS monsters, here are the top 20 defenders. Bear in mind it may be skewed by injuries, suspensions etc. Maybe it'll help pick out who will collect most BP if there are happen to be any CS:

    1. Blind 178
    2. Koscielny 172
    3. Walker 165
    4. Fuchs 161
    5. Bailly 159
    6. Vertonghen 157
    =7. Monreal 156
    =7. A Smith 156
    9. C Davies 149
    10. Alderweireld 148
    11. van Dijk 147
    12. Jagielka 145
    13. Bellerin 143
    =14. Azpilicueta 138
    =14. Valencia
    16. Gibson 136
    =17. Keane 134
    =17. Barragan 134
    19. Morgan 133
    20. Cedric 131

    Few notable factoids in there an amongst the rest of the numbers. Koscielny and Monreal better Bellerin. No City/Liverpool. Boro play quite well even if they don't CS much (just unlucky so far?). Blind is a monster. Williams not monster status yet for Everton.

    Hope that is of use/interest

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Tempted to get Fuchs back in for those juicy home fixtures but hes maybe a bit too expensive

      1. SAY SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I was looking at him too. FPL love of mine from last season.

    2. Alnair
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      No offense but that list is pretty useless.

      1. Rhinos
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Actually those defenders have plenty of offense, that's the point 😛

    3. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      a more helpful indicator would be baseline bps. the goals/assists etc skew the baps potential of many defenders

      1. Oddjobleff
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Fair enough. I see BPS as a general quality of play indicator, including defense and attack. Just think of those as the defenders who have played the most and, generally speaking, best.

  2. S.Agueroooooo
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Bottomed
    I'm fumbling for worthwhile transfers to make on this team (2FT, 0 itb)

    Foster Pickford
    Walker Williams A.Smith Holebas Amat
    Sanchez Sterling Firmino Antonio Capoue
    Aguero Lukaku Deeney

    Antonio, Williams > Snodgrass, Kos/Bellerin?

    1. Dsmythy
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      It's an alright team. Could bank Capoue profits and have 2FT again the week after.

    2. mrpink32
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      i have a very samey team and considering those exact transfers. hull decent games and kos is kos

  3. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Would you prefer
    Sterling( Amazing fixtures but UCL games vs Barca sandwiched inbetween)
    OR
    Lukaku (mci bur che sot manu ars in the next 9! but been very reliable sofar)

    1. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      God knows. Both frustrating let's be honest

    2. Crystal Ball
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I'm transferring both out this week.

  4. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone got lists of number of penalties conceded by each side and won by each side this season? They don't need to say whether they were scored or not

    1. Pap Le Cissier
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      A quick google found this, can't do much more when in work though!

      http://eplreview.com/statistics-penalty.htm

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        That is perfect. Thanks both of you!

      2. Pierce34
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Those WBA stats from last year... Scored 1 of 5!

        1. suddenorgan
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Didn't Gomes save two in one game against them?

  5. DantheManinaPan
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Please help me out on my wildcard.
    Liking the balance but concerns over two smaller strikers.

    Marshall, Pickford
    Bellerin, Rose, Pieters, Holebas, Amat
    Sanchez, Firmino, Sterling, Son, Meyler
    Aguero, Defoe, Deeney

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I think it is a very nice side.

      I might have Lukaku as one of the 2 non Aguero forwards but you cannot really argue with the fixtures of the 2 you have gone for.

      I have gone 3-5-2 in my wildcard rightly or wrongly I do not know

    2. S.Agueroooooo
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      rate it!

  6. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Bobby Firmino theory 3.0

    False Nine vs Attacking Midfield splits: http://i.imgur.com/WqTj5yD.png

    1. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Just pick a liv mid and stick with it would be my advice. Come on Sadio

  7. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Son scored again.Getting hard to ignore!

    1. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Get in my son

      1. bojack
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I had a great time shouting "Go on Son!" in the pub last Sunday...

    2. Goal Digger2016
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      And an assist 🙂

    3. PvA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      All good fathers don't ignore their sons

  8. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    How good has Slimani looked? Is he not worth considering?

    1. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Guess so but feels like all Leicester assets understandably overpriced thanks to last season. Prefer Benteke for million less

  9. daviyb
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Very good article, and main reason I've joined up this website; to glean various insights into the interpretations of the stats.

    One point I'd like to make on the stats; people need to differentiate between what statistical signals are feasibly possible to 'revert to mean' short term, medium term and long term.

    Zlatan's touches & attempts in the box for example; it's a pretty safe bet that this translates to imminent returns. I'd be very surprised if he plays next three games and doesn't get at least two.

    On the opposite side ( and it's not a directly opposite translation of course) , Capoue's seemingly ridiculous goal / shot ratio.... there's no reason that this is going to go into imminent reversal. Someone else touched on this in the comments, whereby Yaya & Ramsey had a season long extension of v high percentage conversion ratio... what also has to be considered of course is the shot quality, and arrival position into box etc.. Anyway it could be 100 games + before you see a stat such as Capoue's shot conversion 'revert to the mean'...

    1. Professor Red
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Great post. Bang on.

    2. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I think that's what this website does. The underlying stats are there, from there its judgement whether you consider them ST/LT/mean reverting surely?

      1. daviyb
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        You're agreeing with me so... 'people need to differentiate' is what I said.

  10. Professor Red
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Has anybody got the link to Ruth_NZ team?

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Which one?

      1. Professor Red
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        The main one?

          1. Professor Red
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Thanks

          2. Ziegler1988
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            What a bench boost 😆

    2. Worzel Gummidge
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I do but I would need to reply with a synopsis and a breakdown of War & Peace instead of justing give you the ID.

        1. Professor Red
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Haha. I just want to see if he used the BB like he said he would in first few gw's

      • Rhinos
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Don't think there is on. Incognito

    3. mrpink32
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      a)lovren/williams+ antonio to kosc snodgrass for free? (which one)
      b) evans antonio to walker/rose snodgrass for free (which one)
      c) not worth it

      thanks!!!

    4. bojack
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      If West Ham don't get a couple of wins in next four games (cpl, SUN, eve, STK), the following four (tot, mun, ARS, liv) will surely see the end of Billic before Xmas. I know they were handy on the road last year, but they seem to be appalling defensively now.

      1. PvA
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I think their squad took a massive step forward in quality last year, then a few steps back this year

        1. Professor Abel X
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          They should have improved the defence in the summer with a big signing. Unlucky with the injury to Cresswell. And then everyone knows they tried to get a number 9 but maybe set their sights too high and ended up missing out. Of course, Ayew injury another slice of bad luck

          1. PvA
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I don't understand what's happened to Sakho? He is a brilliant player

            Enner Valencia is another great player yet loaned out

            1. Professor Abel X
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Not sure! Must be worth a try if he's fit, they certainly can't get any worse!

            2. Jazz!
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Enner Valencia is not a great player imo, Sakho playing would've been nice though.

    5. AZERTY
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      What would be your dream team for next GW?

      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Cech
        Bellerin Kos Mustafi Monreal
        Caz Xhaka
        Walcott Ozil Iwobi
        Sanchez

        1. Sánchez
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No aguero?

    6. Worzel Gummidge
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Son with a goal and assist. Be safe my Son.

      • marcus2704
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I am really stumped here. I badly want to get Redmond out for a better midfielder, but with Kun, Lukaku and Costa along with Mane and Sanchez there really isnt much I can do is there?

        I like Mane but would swap him to Firmino if need be.

        Also, not sure what to do with Shaw, I keep expecting him to be return but he never does.

        I have 0.5ITB

        Foster - Jaku

        Shaw - McAuley - Stones - Amat - Souare

        Sanchez - Mane - Redmond - Snodgrass - Capoue

        Aguero - Costa - Lukaku

        1. Alnair
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No WC?

        2. ryacoo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Shaw to Holebas maybe to get the funds to upgrade Redmond?

          1. marcus2704
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I was thinking of Shaw to Holebas, the latter being on free kicks and getting forward often. That would give me 7.4M, I could then change Mane to Firmino and bring in Walcott.

      • Victor Noah
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I seriously can't go with that list.
        World Cup Qualifying match: http://www.africancupofnations.com/2016/10/nigeria-vs-zambia-africa-world-cup-qualifying-2018.html

      • Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Foster (Pickford)
        Walker Coleman Holebas (Amat Kingsley)
        Firmino Payet Antonio Chadli (Capoue)
        Aguero Ibrahimovic Janssen

        2FT 0.1itb

        How does Antonio + Janssen ➡ Son + Defoe look at the end of the IB?

        1. Professor Abel X
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Nice

          1. Cecil The Lion
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Thanks Abel

        2. jmcclory123
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          We have very similar teams. My main concern is Chadli really. Really bad fixtures, while Antonio's are fantastic.

          1. Cecil The Lion
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Yep. This is the thing with Chadli's fixtures though he is increasingly looking like the single go-to source of points in his team. But I only got him for a 2-week punt so maybe I should stick to the original plan.

            Antonio is a tough one with his form and fixtures being great. It's just with WHU's defensive woes that concern me that Bilic may tinker him

        3. PvA
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Why is you name Cecil The Lion?

        4. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Could you get Theo instead of Son?

          1. Cecil The Lion
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Yes. But with both moves I would still have to downgrade elsewhere. Hence the Janssen move since I want to get rid of him anyway

            1. Parm
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Yeah, that's what I meant. I much prefer Theo looking at fixtures over Son.

              1. Cecil The Lion
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Cheers. Spurs are starting to show they are somewhat fixture-proof though. Particularly with the performance against City

      • Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Love this website, will definitely consider a Firm/Cout double up if I elect for a 3-5-2

      • Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I've got a shocking defence this week. Help me pick 2 (going AOA)

        Amat (ars), Lovren (MUN), Evans (TOT), Williams (mci), Love (stk)

        Currently on Amat (Swa have performed well against Ars recently), and Lovren

        1. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Evans, Lovren?

      • Shirokov(c)
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        A) Reid and Baines > Vertonghen and Pieters

        B) Reid and Januzaj > Pieters and Snodgrass

        C) Reid, Baines and Januzaj > Vertonghen, Pieters and Snodgrass (-4)

        Thoughts?

        1. jmcclory123
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          A

        2. anish10
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          b

        3. Seahawk
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          B

      • Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Heaton, Pickford.
        Stones, Williams, Evans, Britos, Amat.
        Sánchez, Firmino, Antonio, Snodgrass, Capoue.
        Agüero, Ibrahimović, Defoe.

        2FT; £0.1m ITB.

        Antonio & Capoue to Walcott & Fletcher are my planned moves. Would you prefer something else?

        1. Shirokov(c)
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'd keep Capoue, no reason to get rid. Best bench fodder in the game.

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I'm freeing up £0.4m worth of profit which will be sat on my bench for the rest of the season. I see no logic in keeping him.

        2. Cecil The Lion
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'm planning the Capoue downgrade at some point for the profit as well. Should have just done it on my WC

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Normally I would move on Ibrahimović but I can't see too many replacements i'm fully committed too, so i'd rather take the £0.4m and re-evaluate next week.

            1. Cecil The Lion
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              I'm sticking with him. Like you say, I can't see any decent replacements for him. He has the stats while there is great value in midfield. I don't see a rush to get rid of him.

              1. Parm
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                And his value isn't taking a severe hit now, I might move him soon if I fancy a Spurs/Arsenal defender and Williams/Stones continue to underperform.

        3. Demí
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No, that looks 2 solid moves. Would ideally keep Capoue as a 5th mid, assuming u bought at 4.5. But u clearly need the extra £ to get Walcott so go for it

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            That's the logic, cheers Demí.

        4. Professor Abel X
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'd go with that. Bank the Capoue rise before the exodus

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I assume many have him as a starting midfielder, right? Especially among casuals, that mass exodus is coming.

        5. Baines on Toast...
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'd sooner free up 0.4 with Stones > Smith, personally. But I see your logic.

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Yeah, I'm giving Stones another go, I like his fixtures and City's defence has to shore up soon enough right?

        6. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I thought you were going to sell Ibra earlier in the week ?

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I was, until I took a deeper look at his potential replacements. I decided I could keep him for a little longer as it wouldn't affect my opportunity costs too much, despite a shaky defence.

        7. AA33
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I would do Antonio to Son. I fear Ramsey will limit Walcott's minutes when he returns, so he may not be a good option long term

        8. anish10
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          What to do with this lot, not sure how to use 2FT

          Cech
          Walker Coleman Holebas
          Sterling Sanchez Mane Capoue
          Deeney Lukaku Aguero(C)

          Jaku -- Marney -- Evans -- Amat

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Any £££ ITB?

          2. Professor Abel X
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Tough one that, I'd be tempted to stick, give you more of an idea next week who you want to lose in order to upgrade Capoue, otherwise it's making a change for the sake of it

          3. Monkey Hanger
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Jaku to Pickford, and save the other.

        9. Twisted Saltergater
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Stats are great but it's missing the fact that Firmino's goal threat gets a boost when Sturridge is on the pitch, and Coutinho's take a dive if he has to drop into Lallana's deeper lying midfield position.

          If Lallana recovers from his groin strain and Liverpool line up with Firmino as the false 9 with Coutinho and Mane off of him, Coutinho's the one you want (over Firmino, not necessarily Mane).

            1. Sánchez
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Interesting table.
              To me, Firmino beats Coutinho over long term hands down.
              Mane could match Firmino but Coutinho is safely the 3rd of these 3

              1. Worzel Gummidge
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Any one of them could score but Firm as a False 9, I love. I agree with you though and sticking with Firm. Was just disproving the first comment of the poster tbh.

            2. Worzel Gummidge
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Would never have guessed you were a Cout owner lol.

              • J0E
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 16 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Firmino is much more effective when Sturridge is on the pitch as Lvierpool are one of those teams where the centre forward role is there to allow space for midfielders to run forward

                Firmino as a false nine is poor. When he's moved to the left he's excellent.

                So let's look at this key games -

                Liv v Lei - First goal came while Sturridge was on the pitch as a CF. Second goal came after Sturridge had been subbed - but as it towards the end Firmino remained more to the left. It was Mane and Lallana who took turns to bomb forward into that central attacking role.

                Swa v Liv - Firmino started as a false 9 but when Lallana went off he was moved to the left - points haul ensues.

                The other games where Firmino was a false 9 he did hardly anything Fantasy wise - it was Coutinho, Lallan and Mane that prospered.

                1. Worzel Gummidge
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Doesn't really add up I am afraid if you check the stats Parm posted. I have linked above.

                    1. J0E
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                      • 16 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      But where are those stats from? This season? Or last season? Or overall? Also is he counting games where Firmino played as a false 9 from the start. So for example is he counting Swansea as Firmino false 9 because he started there.

                      I looked into it via heat maps and stats this season. Not really sure what those stats Parm has posted relate to or what his source is - may be good for him to let us know.

                      1. J0E
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 16 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Looks like those stats are based on all games under Klopp so that includes last season with a different set up so not sure I'd count those.

                        Also they are based on matches rather than actualy minutes in each role - so it does appear they will base that on where he starts - so that would count Swa as a F9 role, when it wasn't.

                        Most games where Sturridge comes on Firmino's role will change. Definitely taking those stats you posted with a pince of salt.

                      2. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        They're including last season. Nearly all of Firmino's points last season came from when he was playing up top. His best position, and a similar role to what he's played for a few seasons now, including at Hoffenheim when he played in a floating forward line.

                        Where is your conclusion that Firmino is "poor as a false 9" coming from? Surely you're not largely basing that off the fact that he blanked in that one match when Pool put 5 past 'Ull....

                        1. J0E
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                          • 16 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Basing it on this season so far.

                          Every time he plays on the left there have been points. When he plays as a false 9 he's only managed one assist.

                          It is possible the dynamic is different this season with Lallana getting forward now and with Mane in the team.

                          It is also possible that with just eight games in and with him missing one that its a small sample size. But I do know that it is dangerous to compare how one player performed in a certain role with one team or a team with different personnel with another.

                          Be good to revisit after a few more games. But currently this season the evidence suggests that the CF/F9 role at Liverpool is not a great one for Fantasy points.

                          1. J0E
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                            • 16 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Worth looking in the Members area at the heat maps of each map and Firmino's stats and role there.

                  • J0E
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                    • 16 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    But that's not to say Firmino is a poor pick as in any given game as a false 9 Sturridge can come on or as we saw v Swansea an injury can occur elsewhere. Basicaly though Fantasy managers' that own him should rejoice when they see the team sheet with Sturridge starting.

                2. Twisted Saltergater
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Sorry, work took me away from continuing the discussion on this, but it looks like Jonty has made the points I was going to make, excellently.

                  I do recall Firmino doing well as the false 9 last year. But this is a new season, and I certainly think Liverpool are setup slightly differently tactically. It's similar to what Koeman tries to achieve with Southampton and Everton; a forward that drops deep with 2 wide players cutting in and running beyond (Mane and Coutinho). Hence the Milner and Clyne overlaps and attacking engagement. I'm not sure that was quite the case tactically last year.

                  1. J0E
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    No worries. 🙂

                    I think he attempted it last season but with Moreno it failed to work. Also this season he has Mane - a player very much suited to making that work.

                    1. Twisted Saltergater
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Yes, Liverpool certainly have an out ball now which will cause defences to sit deeper and create more space for the likes of Coutinho and Lallana.

                      I took the 'risk' of captaining Coutinho last week and as soon as Sturridge was brought on for Lallana's injury, I said "oh no" because I knew Firmino would shift to playing in Coutinho's role with Coutinho filling in for Lallana. There were still 60 mins to play but I knew that meant a 2 pt captain.

                      I think we need a larger sample size, for sure, but we need to be mindful of these tactical tweaks during games when reaching conclusions. If Lallana is out for any length of time, then Coutinho > Firmino will be on the cards. Maybe Can will be given the chance vs United.

              • Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                • 15 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Pickford

                Kaboul , Valencia , Kos

                Redmond , Antonio , Firmino , Sanchez

                Aguero , Lukaku , Benteke

                Foster, Kone , Friend , De Roon

                I am .1 off Rose and Walker so I think saving is the best option ? .

                1. Professor Abel X
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Save

                  1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                    • 15 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Cheers

              • jmcclory123
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                2 free transfers to use.

                Saving one and using the other to do Capoue --> Hojberg.

                Makes me 0.4 I can use on a double transfer next week.

                There are some issues, I have Chadli and Ibra I am not thrilled about, but I am sticking with the Swede and at Chadli's price bracket there aren't many suitable replacements. His last home game he scored 2 and assisted 2 so I suppose I'll just hope he does something.

                1. Parm
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Chadli to Snodgrass, maybe?

                  1. jmcclory123
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Yeah it's a nice move, I will consider it. Really want to make the money on Capoue while I can though.

                2. Cecil The Lion
                  • 9 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Spurs is probably the hardest team to break down defensively which is a worry as a Chadli owner. But he is undervalued imo with pens and the chief attacking player in his team. I may grudgingly hold on.

              • DA Minnion (Former great)
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                PickFord
                Baines lovern kos walker Amat
                Sanchez Antonio capoue firmino snodgrass
                Aguero lukaku Deeney

                2 frees .0.5 in da bank
                Thinking Antonio to son for free
                Thoughts .

                1. Worzel Gummidge
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    My Son just got a goal and assist. I would make that transfer in a heartbeat and have.

                    1. Eskimooo
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Against Qatar hahahahaha

                      1. La Roja
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Why Qatar is so funny?

                      2. Worzel Gummidge
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Yes because he hasn't been scoring goals or assisting in the PL. Form and confidence. Really dont know why you dont understand that but its ok. Someone who writes so many has is not to be take seriously though.

                          1. Eskimooo
                            • 10 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            at what point did I say he isn't scoring in the premier league ?

                            1. Worzel Gummidge
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                So why are you laughing that he scored against Qatar. make some sense will you.

                                1. Eskimooo
                                  • 10 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  your insinuating that goal and assist against Qatar should sway a decision ?!

                                  1. Worzel Gummidge
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      *you're

                                      Not my problem that is how you took the comment. I already have him. Don't backtrack kid. Pretty obvious he has been doing well in PL so saying he also just scored and assisted is all I need to say. Should I have elaborated like the comment above for you to understand? This still doesn't explain why you laughed at him scoring a goal and assist. Keep talking nonsense.

                                      1. Eskimooo
                                        • 10 Years
                                        9 years, 3 months ago

                                        Spellcheck kid haha , oo he's just scored against a team ranked lower than Kazakhstan , get him in now ! Haha

                                        1. Worzel Gummidge
                                            9 years, 3 months ago

                                            How embarrassing. I agree. he shouldn't have scored. What a melt.

                                        2. Eskimooo
                                          • 10 Years
                                          9 years, 3 months ago

                                          Where's your link gummybear ?

                                          1. Worzel Gummidge
                                              9 years, 3 months ago

                                              Another link requester. I never have and never will link a team as I don't need to. You can assume whatever you want from that. You just grumpy since you support WHU? I understand and will go easy on you.

                                              1. Eskimooo
                                                • 10 Years
                                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                                That's probably not far from the truth

                                              2. Worzel Gummidge
                                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                                  Lets kiss and make up. Hugs

                              • AA33
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  I would do Antonio>Son

                              • ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
                                • 11 Years
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                Mike Hookem - talk about a prophetic name

                                1. Worzel Gummidge
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    He will soon be in jail. Not a good pic of the guy receiving CPR and is apparently in critical condition.

                                2. Sánchez
                                  • 13 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Will Lukaku rise by 0.1 before next gw?

                                  1. liiusions
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    It'll be close. It's against City so less people will put him in so potentially not

                                3. Forjaz
                                  • 12 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  I think i f***ed up my team.

                                  Made a few transfers and its like this. Probably going to play AOA.

                                  Pickford/Jaku

                                  Francis Pieters (Williams Amat Collins) - Great defense, right?

                                  Sanchez Walcott Mane Coutinho Son

                                  Aguero Lukaku Stuani

                                  Maybe next week - Stuani for a 4.5, and improve defense.

                                  Is my team horrible?

                                  1. Sánchez
                                    • 13 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Downgrade Williams to a 4.5 😀

                                  2. AA33
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      Keeping aside your defence, your team is great. Yes I would downgrade Stuani to Grabban (4.4) and upgrade the defence

                                  3. JaydenLFC87
                                    • 12 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Which Trio will bring the bacon home more in points over the next 6 GWs???

                                    A) Lukaku Coutinho Kelly

                                    B) Costa Milner Vertonghen

                                    Thanks!

                                    1. liiusions
                                      • 10 Years
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      Probably B although there's better options than relying on Liverpool penalties for points

                                      1. JaydenLFC87
                                        • 12 Years
                                        9 years, 3 months ago

                                        Milner on some corners isnt he so can get assists?

                                        1. liiusions
                                          • 10 Years
                                          9 years, 3 months ago

                                          True but he's playing LB and is a midfielder on Fantasy so I'd avoid him personally

                                    2. AA33
                                        9 years, 3 months ago

                                        A

                                      • La Roja
                                        • 13 Years
                                        9 years, 3 months ago

                                        B