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Dugout Discussion – Liverpool vs West Ham United

11 December 2016 3338 comments
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The final match of Gameweek 15 sees Liverpool welcome West Ham United to Anfield in the 4.30pm kick-off.

Both Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino are highly fancied against a Hammers defence that shipped five at home to Arsenal last weekend.

Mane has served up points in five of his six home outings, whilst Firmino will be looking to banish a three-match barren run and return to the form that has already seen him register 15 points in front of his own supporters on two occasions.

Divock Origi looks to score for the fourth successive match in all competitions to strengthen his claim as a mid-price festive frontman.

West Ham, meanwhile, have home encounters with Burnley and Hull followed by a trip to Swansea in the upcoming three Gameweeks.

We’ll be looking for signs of form from Dimitri Payet and the fit-again Michail Antonio, then, while big Andy Carroll is named amongst the subs against his former club, having emerged from the bench to net the Hammers’ consolation against Arsenal last time out.

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  1. gaurava1216
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    A or B please???

    A) Fer to Payet and Capoue to DeRoon
    B) Fer to Antonio and Anichebe to Rondon

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    1. dunas_dog
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      • 10 Years
      9 years, 2 months ago

      B

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    2. Toure The Route
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 2 months ago

      Robson will piss you off
      Not even worth it

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      1. Toure The Route
        • 9 Years
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        *Rondon

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    3. La vida FPL
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      I like A

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  2. Freshy
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    • 15 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    Cedric, I missed him today
    Any info?

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    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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      I can't find anything about an injury . It was probably rotation .

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    2. Toure The Route
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 2 months ago

      Def a rest for the upcoming games
      Martina had one solid game though so worrying
      Wouldn't buy for now but I am holding

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    3. Geoff
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Just a rest

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  3. Rains of Castamere
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    Okaka at 5.3 anyone? Good fixtures after City away.

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    1. Kip
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      I would if i couldnt afford origi

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      1. Rains of Castamere
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        Looked good on MOTD didn't he.

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        1. Kip
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          He was very good in the box at anderlecht. Real powerhouse and good vista

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    2. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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      Bit soon

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    3. Toure The Route
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Worth a punt if he has fixtures
      Watford are trying to score every game nowadays

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    4. Weasel Boy
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      City's defence is awful so he could still score against them.

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  4. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    Am i right to save and reasses after midweek?

    Foster Jaku
    Alonso Lovren A.Smith Mee Amat
    Sanchez Hazard Siggy Snoddy Capoue
    Kane Costa Benteke

    Cant see any urgent matters yet

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  5. dunas_dog
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    • 10 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    Lovren to
    A Vertonghen
    B Rose

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    1. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
      • 11 Years
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      Maybe A as Rose racks up YC's

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    2. Az
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Rose as. 100x the attacking threat

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    3. Toure The Route
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      Rose attacking threat > Yellows
      Verto doesn't get bonus either

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  6. Evs
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    Lukakaaaa ➡ Kane?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      No brainer

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      1. Evs
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        Alright Buddy.

        How is tricks then?

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        1. Evs
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          (PS - I may start playing this properly now, im coming for you 😉 )

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        2. TorresMagic™
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          9 years, 2 months ago

          Things are good, noticed you on my tail now. Nice few weeks for you.
          How about you?

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          1. Evs
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            9 years, 2 months ago

            All good thanks.

            My team (rugby) had a good home win this morning, so that's me a happy camper 😎

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    2. fedolefan
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      Yes, because of the next two fixtures. Lukaku has another run in him GW18 on I think.

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    3. Lawrø
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      Hell yeah, definitely looks better than the Firmino and Iheanacho options

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    4. SC not pearls before swine
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      Nice patience getting that last Lukaku haul. But yeah, fixtures favor Kane.

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  7. James101
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    Squad:

    Grant. Pickford.

    Alonso. Cedric. Francis. McAuley. Kingsley.

    Firmino. Hazard. Siggy. Sanchez. Phillips.

    Costa. Kane. Nacho.

    So I’m considering :

    Firminho and Cedric
    to
    Mane and defender to £4.6m.

    Which sounds better?

    A. Amat
    B. Ake
    C. Evans or Nyom
    D. Prodl
    E. Dawson
    F. Somebody else (who?)

    That'd be for a hit though.

    Would a simple swap of firmy to one of these be better?

    G. Eriksen
    H. Walcott

    THANKS!!

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    1. Geoff
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      I wouldn't take a hit. Cedric doesn't need to go. I'd do G of those

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      1. James101
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        Thanks mate.

        Anything better than g?!

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        1. Geoff
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          9 years, 2 months ago

          I'm holding Firmino for one more game.

          Personally I'd move Ihea out but I'm really not sure if that's the right move or not

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    2. Pele Pels
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      H Walcott will be back to his best with Bellerin on the pitch

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  8. 3rd striker options
    Geoff
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    • 13 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    Hey Mods can we have a Hot Topic on of the many posts about third strikers as an updated version of Andy's from last gameweek?

    Austin/Ihea > ?

    1. Origi
    2. Llorente
    3. Benteke
    4. Defoe
    5. Carroll
    6. Hold Ihea
    7. Defoe
    8. Other

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    1. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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      134 the best options i think

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      1. HamezMace
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        4, but not 7?

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        1. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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          Obvs both

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          1. HamezMace
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            Is that allowed? TTC as well?

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    2. A.T
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      Discuss away

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    3. Over Midwicket
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      Anichebe and go 3-5-2

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      1. S.Kuqi
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        I think thats the way to go.

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        1. Pieterke30
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          9 years, 2 months ago

          dont see any GREAT midfielder for 6.7 or less.

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          1. Twisted Saltergater
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            9 years, 1 month ago

            Antonio says "Hi"

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    4. Coaly
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      Between 4 and 7 for me, tough one

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      1. Geoff
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        Oops. Good spot 😀

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    5. Crystal
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      The third striker spot is a real problem, I don't fancy any of them. 3-5-2 could be the way to go

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    6. ♤TeddyBear♤
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Origi for me.... would Can coming back impact him tho?

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      1. A.T
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        9 years, 2 months ago

        Ah yes I didn't consider that. I wonder if it would.

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      2. Asaam
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        9 years, 1 month ago

        I'd say Wijnaldum would be left out, not Origi

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    7. Junior ⚽
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Benteke would be my pick after United and Chelsea.
      Immediately I'd hold Iheanacho.

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    8. ryacoo
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      I'd hold Ihea if I had him. Benteke/Defoe still the best picks but I'm on a 6.5 budget, so might punt on Carroll.

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    9. rdamjan
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Austin to Carroll / Hold Ihea

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    10. A.T
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      I like Origi.
      How's his nailedonness until Coutinho is back I wonder?
      3 goals in 3
      Dirt cheap Liverpool striker
      What's not to like?

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    11. Leaf
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      Rondon deserves his place

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    12. Hairy Potter
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      I've got Origi, but not sure for how long.

      Benteke may be the better long term choice.

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    13. HamezMace
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      6, Watford at home is too good a fixture not to get some returns...if he blanks again I'd go Defoe

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      1. Pieterke30
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        really can't see a blank if he starts. but will he?

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    14. The Bandit
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      Carroll has BUR, HUL, swa up next. Got to be worth a punt even if he only gets 60 - 70 mins. I think he will start v Bur

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      1. The Bandit
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        Probably sticking with Nacho though 😉

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    15. Leaf
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      In a few weeks West Brom & Pakace have great fixtures

      They are the best 2

      Short term still think Nacho

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    16. Taribo West on a free
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      Rotation between Anicmebe and Zama for me for tme next 4 or 5. BTW my keyboard is broken.

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    17. Karan_G14
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      Carrol just for his fixtures.

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    18. Greenbackbøøg…
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      3

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    19. diesel001
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      9 years, 1 month ago

      5. Carroll for me. Next 4 games to save the Hammers from relegation.

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    20. Shultan
      • 9 Years
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      Rondon!

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    21. melvinmbabazi
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      6

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    22. French Gooner
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      picked Origi for a hit when i shipped out Austin and was rather pleased with that
      He had the form and the fixture yet everyone insisted on Nacho...

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    23. FPL Virgin
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      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Rough: Brought in Nacho, Brunt, Cedric, Ake on a Wildcard. 3 points from all with Amat's clean sheet stuck on the bench.

      Smooth: Also brought in Burnley's Ward who got a very unexpected goal!

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  9. A.T
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    9 years, 2 months ago

    Any reason not to get Origi at all?

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    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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      It might damage your prospects in deadline bingo

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      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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        Any actual reasons no.

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      2. A.T
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        I knew it was too good to be true 🙁

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        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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          You are smart enough not to listen to me 🙂

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    2. Bored Bear
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      532, fixtures?

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  10. F4L
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    Aguero about to drop to 12.8, could be 12.6 by the time his suspension is over

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    1. Captain Vantastic™
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      Not sure about that

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  11. Coaly
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    a) Walcott to Eriksen
    b) Holebas to Jones
    c) Save

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    1. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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      C by far

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      1. Coaly
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        I have a suspicion Walcott will be benched for one of the next two games

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        1. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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          Could happen to most players over the next few weeks though. Walcott doesnt look as at risk as ox. He might be safe

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    2. Toure The Route
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      C

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  12. S.Kuqi
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    Firmino -> Antonio
    Pieters -> Alonso

    for -4 hit?

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    1. S.Kuqi
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      I could Siggy instead of Antonio but than would mean Cahill instead of Alonso

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      1. Hakchak
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        Yes that would be the best, siggy + chelsea defence is no brainer

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      2. WUSS
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        Do this

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  13. Leaf
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    Firmino to Payet done

    Love my team for this week...need it after a massive red arrow this week,

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    1. Leaf
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      • 15 Years
      9 years, 2 months ago

      Foster

      Cedric , Alonso , Mcauley

      Payet , Eriksen , Hazard , Sanchez

      Nacho , Rondonaldo , Kane (c)

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      1. Hakchak
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        Looks great, though double WB defense always tough

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  14. wolves_simmo
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    Firmino out for which West Ham mid?

    A) Payet
    B) Antonio

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    1. Carlton P
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      A) the assister
      B) the goal scorer
      B IMO if you want to brave the 4YC
      Antonios price more likely to shoot up if he fires

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      1. wolves_simmo
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        • 15 Years
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        Yeah it's the extra £2.4M too. When's the cut off for the 4 YC?

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  15. Huge bulging net
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    What is the likeliness of Pedro completely losing his place to Willian? Looked key against City and another early swap for him today

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    1. Demí
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      Don;t think he'll lose his place but will get rotated in one of the next two

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      1. Coaly
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        Your view on Walcott missing out vs Everton or City?

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    2. Toure The Route
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      Conte said he is Perfect for this system and he is imo.
      Think he will play as the regular for the whole season .
      Willian is a traditional winger , just can't see him fitting there long term , might get sold in the summer .

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    3. Toure The Route
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      But might get rotated over December

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  16. Carlton P
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    Firmino >
    A) Antonio
    B) lallana

    > Alonso
    1) chambers 0ITB
    2) holebas .3ITB
    3) Evans .2ITB
    4) cedric .6ITB
    Looking at getting big Phil Jones at some point, so £ITB is relevant

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  17. jimbobmij
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    Firmino and Anichebe to Lallana and Origi. Opinions?

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    1. Carlton P
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      Sounds good to me

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  18. Vinyl78LP
    • 16 Years
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    Couple of minor tweaks to team just done

    Valencia/Vokes shipped out for Brunt/Rondon for 0 pts.

    Fancy Albion against Swansea to turn them over. Currently about 8k globally.

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  19. ZakAFC_
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    Take out Firmino/Redmond for a -4 or neither?

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  20. lasmons
    • 11 Years
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    Firmino + Benteke -> Kane + ....
    a> Son
    b> Lallana
    c> Antonio

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  21. Twisted Saltergater
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    • 16 Years
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    Even Youtube can't make Origi look good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZ7bADc6dY

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  22. JaydenLFC87
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    Matip > Toby for free yay or nay???

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    1. HamezMace
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      9 years, 2 months ago

      I've just brought Toby in, and having a defender with (HUL) next to his name looks so good

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    2. Here's Tom with the We…
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      Big yay!

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  23. youknowho
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    Heaton, Pickford
    Alonso, Morgan, Holebas, Amat, Love
    Snchez, Hazard, Firmino, Siggy, Capoue
    Kane, Defoe, Origi
    1.6 ITB
    1. Firmino > Payet
    2. Firmino > Ericksen
    3. Save

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  24. The Polymath
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    Has Payet proved himself as a viable midfielder option?

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    1. Feed tha Sheep
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      I don't think he is threatening enough from open play but obviously has set pieces

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      1. Toure The Route
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        This
        Doesn't give too much goal threat from open play so no for me
        Eriksen has better form , set pieces and a better team around him and is cheaper .

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    2. Pub Crawl to the Townsend
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      I think antonio is the way to go in an out of form west ham side mainly just because he is better value and west ham are unpredictable of late. Payet gets mentioned on here alot as most people are swapping firmino for him and thus have cash to burn

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  25. Sims
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    Firmino and Huth

    To

    Walker and Siggy

    Worth -4?

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  26. ryacoo
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    • 10 Years
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    Can any West Ham fans shed some light on the kind of minutes we can expect from Carroll in the near future? Think he might start midweek and then get a 30 minute cameo at the weekend?

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    1. Leaf
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      • 15 Years
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      I agree with you

      60 mins midweek , 60 or 30 at weekend

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    2. Karan_G14
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      I'm thinking and hoping 60 mins both matches. Not a West Ham fan though!

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  27. Feed tha Sheep
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    Nacho owners what's the consensus?Im keeping I still think he will start...thoughts?

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  28. camarozz
    • 11 Years
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    So if it's not Llorente for Austin then who? 0.1m itb.

    Origi didn't look great despite the goal.

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    1. ryacoo
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      • 10 Years
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      Origi and Carroll the other contenders.

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    2. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
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      Look up at the big green box above 😉

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    3. Hakchak
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 2 months ago

      Get Llorente, Benteke would be the best if you can stretch to that?

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  29. Jinswick
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    • 15 Years
    9 years, 2 months ago

    Anything better than Austin -> Origi here?

    Fer is another major concern but I'm not sure there's anything worth a 4 pointer in that price range.

    Bank 0.0m, 1FT

    Cech
    Clyne, Stones, Nyom
    Sanchez, Hazard, Firmino, Fer
    Costa, Kane, Austin

    Pickford, Amat, Capoue, Kone

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    1. Over Midwicket
      • 14 Years
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      Stones out

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  30. WE ARE RANGERS
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    Firmino to...

    A payet
    B eriksen
    C alli
    D a n other

    I have Sanchez, hazard and Siggy

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      B

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