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7 January 2017 765 comments
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Pep Guardiola’s first taste of FA Cup action is as sweet as it comes as his Manchester City side demolishes West Ham in Friday night’s third round match.

The now-annual test of how seriously the FA Cup is taken by the elite clubs began with West Ham and Man City fielding strong sides – and the hosts ending up wondering why they bothered.

The 5-0 scoreline in no way flattered Pep Guardiola’s side, who dominated possession but were also particularly dangerous on the break.

David Silva (8.7), Yaya Toure (7.3) and Raheem Sterling (7.7) all caught the eye for the visitors, while Pablo Zabaleta (4.7) was again used as a holding midfielder as Fernandinho (5.3) began his latest (four match) suspension and the injured Fernando (4.7) didn’t even travel.

The Argentinian defender raided forward frequently and earned the penalty that opened the scoring, with Toure given spot-kick duties ahead of Sergio Aguero (12.8).

Should Zabaleta be handed a run of starts in the role, he could be the one City defender that offers the potential for points beyond the occasional clean sheet, although the upcoming fixtures that Fernandinho will miss – Everton away, Spurs at home and then another trip to West Ham – aren’t the easiest.

More significantly, Aguero’s stock appeared to suffer another significant knock as he relinquished spot-kick duties to Toure.

The striker has 11 Premier League goals this season, with three arriving from the spot. Four of 24 goals came from penalties last season and five from 26 before that. Based on those statistics, Aguero could, therefore, suffer a 15-20% reduction in his potential goal output should Toure remain in the box seat.

Guardiola had previously removed himself from the decision on the penalty taking pecking order, indicating that the change in duties will be decided by the players themselves.

Notably, Toure has now scored all 14 of his competitive spot-kicks for club and country. The Ivorian scored no less than six goals from penalties in his outstanding 2013/14 campaign and his stock as a midfield option for this season is duly boosted by this latest development.

Aguero did at least notch for the second match running when he flicked home Toure’s shot just after the break.

By then, the match was done and dusted.

After Sofiane Feghouli (5.0) missed a sitter at 0-1, City promptly went up the other end and doubled their lead through a Havard Nordtveit (4.7) own goal, the Norwegian failing to keep out Sterling’s attempt to bundle the ball home from a superb Bacary Sagna (5.3) cross.

A third followed almost immediately when Silva tapped in Sterling’s pass following another fast and fluent break.

John Stones (4.7), recalled to the side in place of Aleksandar Kolarov (5.8), rounded off the scoring in the second half with a header – his first goal for the club – from substitute Nolito’s (8.5) corner.

The rout was all the more chastening for West Ham because Slaven Bilic selected such a strong line-up.

Of the regular starters available, only Dmitri Payet (9.1) and Mark Noble (6.2) were afforded a rest, although both were introduced at 0-4 by an increasingly rain-soaked Bilic.

The Hammers have a good run of fixtures ahead, even if they won’t fancy that Gameweek 23 re-match with City much, but they’re wildly inconsistent and are currently in one of their phases of looking lost as a side.

The only downside for City was another relatively anonymous performance from Kevin De Bruyne (10.6). The Belgian hasn’t scored in the league for 15 matches and frequently dropped deep in City’s fluid midfield set-up at the London Stadium.

West Ham XI: Adrian, Nordtveit, Reid, Ogbonna, Cresswell, Fernandes, Obiang, Feghouli, Lanzini (Noble 58), Antonio (Fletcher 72), Carroll (Payet 58).
Subs not used: Randolph, Calleri, Oxford, Quina.

Man City XI: Caballero, Sagna, Stones, Otamendi, Clichy, Touré (Delph 78), Zabaleta, De Bruyne (Garcia 68), Silva (Nolito 58), Sterling, Agüero.
Subs not used: Bravo, Kolarov, Navas, Iheanacho.

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  1. Hooky
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Yaya essential

  2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Yawn...

  3. Barnsley FC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Is Aguero really worth the price after this?

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 18 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Got to be another blow. He may pick up some assists if fouled for the spot-kicks I guess but it's the last thing he needed given that he's already struggling to compete with Costa and Ibrahimovic.

      Personally, I think for 12.8, he needs to have penalties.

    2. Arteta
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Just ask yourself: "What do I expect and want from 12.8m player?"
      Not everyone has the same expectations.

    3. Arceus
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      No

  4. Hooky
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    The hammers really need to wake up soon. A goalscorer and new RB must be the priority for the transfer window.

  5. Hazard's Fantasy Football Travel Sickness
    J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Fantasy Football Scout daily hot topic

    Why is Eden Hazard such a poor Fantasy option away from home?

    At Stamford Bridge Hazard is sensational.

    Of his 120 FPL points 78 have come at home.

    Of his 9 goals 7 have come at home.

    At home he is the 2nd best midfielder in terms of shots in the box
    Away he is only the 16th best midfielder in terms of shots in the box

    Or is it that he is being asked to take on a different role away, one that isn’t focused on goal threat?

    In terms of chance creation and assist potential he is better on the road. Away from home he is creating 2.4 chances on average, compared to just 1.7 at home. He also has two assists away, and just one at home.

    What does this mean for Hazard as a premium priced Fantasy option?

    Does this make him a vital player to own for home fixture but benchable away? Or does his better chance creation stats indicate that if he can turn those chances into more assists he can be a great option home and away?

    Would be good to hear your views, especially as more than 52,000 managers have already shown him the door this week.

    Would be especially good to hear from anyone who sees Chelsea regularly home and away to see if there’s any difference. From the highlight clips I see he looks great in almost every match, whatever the location, so would be good to hear why he is flagging as a Fantasy asset away.

    1. Mr Arsenal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Having watching him play a few times it's obvious he's not a natural goal scorer. Creates a lot for others and has penalties + some set pieces but I believe Costa is a better option if one has to choose between the two. Getting Stanislas in for him and upgrading Diomande to Costa for the next 3. Let's see....

      1. NATSTER
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Those trades sound nice.

    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Don't think Chelsea commit enough men forward away from home. Saw this at Spurs where Hazard or Costa were left isolated and there weren't enough men in the box for early balls played in.

      1. Mr Arsenal
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Yep. Conte would rather win games 1-0 and he's a great attacking player in a very conservative team. Also, that makes him less captainable as Chelsea don't reall spank teams so no too much damage incurred even if he scores (ok, that Hull home game is going to make me eat my words...). Pedro more cost effective option as it does look like Conte prefers him to Willian.

        1. diesel001
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Compare to Spurs in the Chelsea game. Knew they were playing against a back three so got the full backs forward, made sure Alli and Kane got in the box early and it was two early crosses in from Eriksen that got the goals.

    3. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 18 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'd probably be looking to ship Hazard by now but, in a 3-5-2, I think I have to hold him, particularly as I'm likely to ignore Costa and keep Defoe and Ibra. I imagine a lot of the managers ranked around me are cashing him in Hazard for Alli or Eriksen so I have to hope he can deliver.

      He's still the only heavy-hitter on pens and, not having Europe will help him in February.

      There's that Hull City game on the horizon - he could actually be an effective differential captain for me.

      1. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Will be interesting to see how Hull shape up with their new, perhaps more pragmatic manager ... I've relied on Hull's whipping boy status all season so hoping he doesn't tighten them up too much !

    4. Duffy Dunk
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      i had him for many gameweeks but after his big double digit performances. i expected more from him but his points didn't justify his high price, as aguero's don't, so i gave him up for alli and more money to make better use of elsewhere

    5. GENERATION X
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      you still get the feeling he could spark any minute. fixtures are set up perfectly to give him next two and re-evaluate. couts and wally should be getting the minutes by then and spurs and potentially now man city mids are looking good options. in my 352 with phillips as fifth that extra cash can get me three premium defenders.

    6. Sir Edo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I have never been impressed of him. Most points from his fantastic 14/15 season came from penalties. From open play he is no big hitter which means that he will not be the top world class player everyone are talking about.

      Sold him last week and we will probably be punished against Hull!

      What about a new HoF hot topic. Brand new leader now.. 😉

      1. GENERATION X
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        mid on pens for the leaders is part of the appeal

        1. Sir Edo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Of course, but I think he scored about 8 penalties that season and won most of the games by 1-0 and he got additional bonus points.

          This year Costa, Aspi, Pedro and others fighting for bonus points too..

          But still he is a great player both in league and FPL.

    7. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      He will keep grinding out points but whether he is worth the 2m over Alli or Eriksen when you can use that spare cash to upgrade your 5th mid to Phillips for example in a 352 or third striker to Defoe/giroud in 343 i don't think he is. For that price you would want him being captainable home and away like Sanchez for example. Reckon its worth getting rid IF you can make use of that money elsewhere.

      1. The Hindu Monkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Captain Hazard home. Sanchez away.

        Job done.

    8. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I shipped for Alli. 20 in 4 at home since I got not spectacular for the price. No doubt bites me in the arse but 1.7m in the bank to upgrade squad

    9. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      If we take @HUL as the 1st full game CHE changed their style, and conveniently write that off, then there is a clear pattern of away points for Hazard.
      If they score more than 1 goal on the road, he returns points.

      SOU 0-2 che (14)
      MAC 1-3 che (9)

      Now this may not continue, but goals++ do tend to help him in a way that is not affecting Costa.

    10. Ruth_NZ
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I see many Chelsea games at Stamford Bridge live; away games I usually watch on TV. Hazard doesn't have a perceptibly different role in away games.

      I do remember a couple of seasons back there was a thing on FFS about Hazard being much better at home. Then he suddenly went on a run of goals and assists away from home. These things are sometimes just the result of variance and don't represent a pattern.

      Teams do score more goals (and concede less) at home than away in the long run, though. That's just a statistical fact and every player will do better at home than away overall because of that. It very much applies to Aguero, for example, too.

      An additional factor is that most teams will play with greater freedom when they are dominating a game and maybe 2 goals or more ahead. That has happened a few times for Chelsea at home this season (Leicester, United, Everton, Bournemouth) but not yet away.

      1. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Aguero has 60 points so far this season from his 7 away PL games, but only 23 from his 7 at home. Even if you discount his -1s against Everton and Chelsea (for a penalty miss and a red card respectively), his home returns are still a long way short of his away ones.

        It is difficult to believe that his home returns will not improve, but perhaps he is feeling the pressure more at home, perhaps City's opponents are less inclined to park the bus when they're a t home, or perhaps he has just become a flat track bully.

        He has scored 4 braces, against Stoke, Swansea, West Brom and Burnley, all in away matches, but has not scored at all against any team in the top 7 (Everton and Chelsea at home, Spurs and Liverpool away).

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          I don't really care about this season's numbers where things like this are concerned and that wasn't what I was referring to. I'm talking about his career. You'll find he has many more goals at home than away, the numbers were 68 at home and 43 away last time I counted them up. He also has only 1 hat-trick (if I recall right) away against something like 7 or 8 at home.

          The tendency to look at short-term stats with proven, established players is a big mistake in my view. Unless something else has changed, like the position they are playing in.

      2. TopMarx
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        This makes sense and I feel the balance will redress itself over time. What do you think of Hazard as a player, not just a fantastic asset?

        To me he seems on the edge of becoming a truly outstanding player but lacks that extra dimension. I think KDB is a more talent footballer for example, but Hazard seems more integral to his team and more consistent, plus he takes the penalties, which boosts his fantasy appeal.

        1. TopMarx
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          *fantasy asset

    11. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'm on a wildcard Jonty and been advised on here to ship.would like to keep though for Leicester and hull ,then ship.What do you think. In or out on wildcard.

      1. The Hindu Monkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        I think it's one of him or Costa. So take your pick really. No need for both with so many options out there.

    12. The Hindu Monkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      He should have scored against Spurs. Fantasy like real football is all about the fine details. I own Alonso and Hazard and when he passed it to Hazard in the box he missed an unmarked header from 3 yards. Minutes later, my rival who owns Eriksen and Alli goes up other other end and scores with only his fifth touch or something.

      That's a 25 point swing right there including bonus, not to mention the 3 points for Spurs obviously.

      Hazard is not getting the breaks away but is playing just as well and will burn people who drop him like he did earlier in the season. That's not to say you shouldn't get rid of him. Just another example of how hard the mini runs this season are to predict. They're largely not determined by fixtures and Hazard could explode in big matches like he has before.

      I love this season, I really do. Best one in years. I've seen people make up and lose 50 to 60 points in two to three weeks all season long.

    13. grapesland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      There is every chance this will turn around even if 2/3 of his points have come at home. The data sample is quite low. If you throw 20 cards in the air you wouldnt be shocked to see 2/3 of them land faced up on the floor. This happens.

    14. Business Cat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I've given up on him.

      Can't possibly justify his 10m pricetag with the vast array of 8m, 7m and 5m mids all firing week in week out.

      Hazard to Alli is the easiest transfer I've made all season.

    15. tisza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      maybe it's getting to the stage if you're not prepared to captain him every home game (maybe because of your striking options) then it could be time to ship him.
      maybe the one change I've seen over the last 3 or so Chelsea away games is the number of players they commit to the counter-attack. At the beginning of their run they seemed to get 6 or 7 players forward very quickly when they broke. Now there's not so many so reducing goal scoring possibilities.
      It does seem slowly that a lot of teams without high SV are gradually reducing the number of big hitters from 4 to 3 and spreading the funds a bit more evenly across mid/defence or to accommodate Aguero.

  6. Sz21
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Trying to decide which of these options would be best atm...
    1. Giroud- Negredo
    2. Holebas (wont lose value on his next drop)- Ake (other)?
    3. Save for another GW.

    Heaton (SOU).
    Alonso(lei), Walker (WBA), Jones (LIV).
    Eriksen(WBA), Lallana(mun), Sanchez(swa), Phillips(tot).
    Ibra(LIV), Negredo(wat), Costa(lei).

    Pickford(out), Holebas(MID), Whelan (sun, Amat (ARS).
    1ft, 2.5m in bank..

    1. chilli con kone
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Holebas has a good fixture this week so I would play him. I'd probably look at Giroud or Defoe for Negredo although he has great fixtures as well

    2. nadman89
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I think holebas is one yellow away from a 2 game ban

    3. KUNingas
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      2

  7. Ellam9
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    I need a cheap Andy Carroll alternative, any suggestions?

    1. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Barnes, Gray, Crouch, Rondon, Wilson, Negredo....Defoe if you can afford him

  8. THE REAL RON ⚽
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    A big blow for Kevin de Bruyne last night.

    John Stones after the game: "We played a diamond in midfield."

    Caballero
    Sagna Otamendi Stones Clichy
    Yaya
    Zabaleta KDB
    Silva
    Aguero Sterling

    Good for: Full-backs, Silva, Sterling
    Bad for: KDB

    Mixed for Aguero. If City continue like this (they did win 5-0!), he has to share the limelight. But this could be Pep's way of getting Aguero and Gabriel Jesus into the same line-up.

    One to watch. 🙂

    1. Mr Arsenal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Zabaleta could be a good OOP option.

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        That could be a cracking shout. Solid assist potential and the odd cleanie. They will tighten up sooner or later now that Kolarov seems to have lost his place.

    2. Je suis le chat
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Be interesting to see how they set up at home. Surprised Ihenacho not featuring much. De Bruyne has looked poor of late and certainly overpriced.

    3. Ruth_NZ
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'm glad to say that this concerns me not at all. I will have no City players until the DGWs begin, maybe not even then. It's a rotation roundabout up there.

  9. MagnetBPS
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Pieters--> Brunt or Baines

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Save FT. Both have bad fixtures this week.

  10. Je suis le chat
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Hazard is a flat track bully. He's only scored 2 goals against good sides; Man United and Man City.

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      And he rarely scores away from home.

    2. Pasqualinho
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      You can't really infer anything from that - You could equally put Costa in the same bracket. The star players doing better against the lesser teams should be expected.

    3. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      3 shots on target last 4 games

  11. KUNingas
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Hi. 1FT

    Grant (Pickford)
    Alonso, Valencia, Cedric (Holebas, Amat)
    Sanchez, Hazard, Pogba, Phillips, Stanislas
    Ibra, Costa (Anichebe)
    2.0ITB

    A) Holebas -> Ake
    B) Save

    1. pjanns
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I did that transfer this round. So I didn't get caught in price drops/rises.

      But the transfer isn't a must in my opinion.

    2. John Nerdelbaum
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      id save - not the worst fixture in the world for him

  12. pjanns
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Grant
    Aké - Jones - Rose
    Sanchez - Hazard - Eriksen - Lallana
    Costa - Ibra - Defoe
    (Foster - De Roon - Smith - Kingsley)

    Anything worth changing?

    Thinking: Lallana + Smith --> Phillips + Baines for next round.

    1. KUNingas
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      No. G2G

      1. pjanns
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks.

  13. Karan_G14
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    How is this WC team looking?

    Grant - Randolph
    Alonso - Bellerin - Brunt - Ake - Chambers
    Sanchez - Erikssen - Alli - Philips - Stanislas
    Ibra - Costa - Barnes

    1.7m itb for Bellerin & Stanislas to Williams & Coutinho in a couple of weeks.

    Appreciate your thoughts!

    1. pjanns
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Baines instead of Williams?

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Will need another 0.3/0.4 for that might downgrade Ake to 4.0 def but now right he has amazing fixtures for the next 3.

    2. Je suis le chat
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'd personally ship Alonso to a cheapie and upgrade Barnes to Defoe.

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        That's benching headaches everyweek. I'm playing a 352 not 343.

  14. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    I thought I had paid 7.3 for Siggy so I could absorb this drop and still get 7.3 back. Seems I had paid 7.2 so.....
    Plans, meet window!

  15. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    More points over the next couple of weeks:

    A) Ozil, Ibra, Pedro
    B) Sanchez, Giroud, Siggy

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Don't like Ozil, Pedro, Giroud & Siggy.

      So Sanchez, Ibra & Philips/Stanislas ?

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Nah, too expensive.

    2. Two is a Kompany three is a…
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      B

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks. On it atm.

  16. Farke in hell
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Thoughts

    Grant, Jaku
    Walker, Rose, Azpi, Cahill, Browning
    Sanchez, Eriksen, Philips, Stanislas, De Roon
    Costa, Ibra, Negredo

    1.4 itb, 0 ft

  17. Phil Dagger ⭐
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Aguero's points in my team

    18
    26
    4
    26
    2
    -1
    1
    32
    12
    4
    12
    -1
    14

    149 points 🙂 Alone

    points per appearance 11.46
    would take that for 12.8 🙂

    1. Je suis le chat
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Not enough if you deduct captaincy points and/or want to win the game!

      1. Phil Dagger ⭐
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        why?
        captaincy points are vital and this is the reason he is priced so high
        as he is genuinely good captain.option against any team

        woud have scores against everton if not for missed penalty
        plus everyone who saw game vs chelsea he was unlucky not to get a brace or hattrick

        little margins and everyone would have been raving for him

        1. Je suis le chat
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Kun is poor value for money, even Defoe has outscored him at nearly half the price.

    2. Fitzy.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Convenient manipulating of the ppg stats.

      1. Phil Dagger ⭐
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        just counting the scores in my team
        captained or not
        all counted
        at the end its points
        doubled or not

      2. Pasqualinho
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        I wouldn't say that - there's no manipulation going on. What Phil has posted is fact - these are the points that he has actually got. It's whether you think 11.46 is a good enough average for 13M bearing in mind he has only played about 2/3 of the matches that is the main consideration here.

        1. Ha.
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Disagree. A real analysis would compare VC and C points, as by owning Aguero he is the default captain, but not necessarily the best captain. Also doesn't consider any sort of opportunity cost. Owning Aguero squeezes funds elsewhere and so cannot be looked at in isolation.

          1. Pasqualinho
            • 16 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            Disagreeing with what exactly? Respectfully, your points are valid but have absolutely no relation to what I posted.

            1. Ha.
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 11 months ago

              Re: manipulation. He is telling the story he wants to tell, not a meaningful story.

              1. Pasqualinho
                • 16 Years
                8 years, 11 months ago

                Absolutely - he's putting a case across to support his opinion. But he's not manipulating statistics.

                1. Ha.
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 11 months ago

                  Obviously not manipulating the raw data, but manipulation in the way it is presented!

                  1. Pasqualinho
                    • 16 Years
                    8 years, 11 months ago

                    Well, everyone is guilty of that. Hazard's fabled 38 pts from 9 gameweeks conveniently removes the 4 gameweeks preceeding, as it doesn't fit the rhetoric. People saying Alli scored poorly gameweeks 9 to 16 are also conveniently bookending the data to remove gameweeks 8 and 17-20. They are strictly not manipulating data but they are, as you say, omitting the full picture. At least Phil has offered a whole season of data and not removed the blanks and minus scores just because it will strengthen his case. I'm not convinced enough by it to get Aguero but at least am not prejudiced enough to rebuke it without giving it a bit of thought.

                    1. fedolefan
                      • 11 Years
                      8 years, 11 months ago

                      Not sure why you're finding it so hard to understand.

                      I'm in a mini-league with a guy who's captained Hazard every week from GW1. 240 points for 10.4 million and we're only half way through the season. Hazard is the definition of essential, then?

                      1. fedolefan
                        • 11 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        Reply fail. Meant as reply to pasqualinho.

                      2. Phil Dagger ⭐
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        with agueros hauls
                        and finding when he will blank and when others will flourish is the key

                        that way instead of 240
                        you can get 50-100 points more
                        and having hazard and other captaincy big hitters always helps the overall score

                      3. Pasqualinho
                        • 16 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        What I am finding hard to understand is why you would possibly think that I'm in any way implying that a player is essential. My point is that Phil has made a post which has been criticised for manipulating stats. Whilst it is clearly biased to help support his opinion (like many posts on here) one thing he isn't doing is manipulating stats. That's all.

                      4. fedolefan
                        • 11 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        You're nitpicking I'm afraid.

                      5. Fitzy.
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        Hey Pasq, what I meant (and said) was he was manipulating the ppg stats, not the stats themselves - how can we compare those stats with other players? Who else would have been captained, what players were the extra funds used on and what points did they get etc. PPG has always (as far as I know) just that, no doubling of certain players stats, it's just a straight comparison stat - that's all I meant, wasn't implying anything other than that.

                    2. Ha.
                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 11 months ago

                      I think we are going off track here.

                      These are Aguero's points in his team. That is fact. But it offers little insight in to whether or not Aguero should be in people's team as, in my opinion, is not being presented with any other meaningful data.

                      I am not being prejudiced at all as I myself have given it plenty of thought. Besides, I got it the first few times this was posted.

                      1. Phil Dagger ⭐
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        well I have not said that he is essential for everyone and all should get him

                        all I said is story of my side
                        which is that I am pretty happy with returns he has given me in my team even for 12.8
                        is that wrong? mate

                      2. fedolefan
                        • 11 Years
                        8 years, 11 months ago

                        No, ok I was being a little lazy when I dragged essential talk into it, and I understood perfectly well what your post meant. It's just that, those numbers only apply to your team and your team only. In general, when stats are posted on here, it is implied that they are applicable to others too. Your post was fine for what it was, just that the PPG is again something that only applies to your team. PPG in fpl is used as a measure of value, is available on the fpl website as a filter for sorting, and is something which should not take captaincy points into account and so I understood why some called it as manipulation of stats. The same metric being used and interpreted differently can cause confusion.

                        I just didn't get Pasqualinho's subsequent argument and how he spun it into something entirely generic. I'll ask you this. If I play a defender 2 weeks out of 9 and he returns a clean sheet twice with max bonus, saying the defender has a PPG of 9 isn't exactly accurate, is it? It is true for my team, but is just not applicable to others.

              2. Phil Dagger ⭐
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 11 months ago

                what should be the meaninfgul story?
                then
                its simple adding points which he have got me

            2. Phil Dagger ⭐
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 11 months ago

              right pasqual no relation
              maybe he is saying taking VC in consideration too to see if aguero was outscored by other options in the team
              as one gets blinded and captains aguero everytime even.if other have more chance of scoring highly with easy fixture

              but what I have found he has done well when captained and when he is not others have done the business

              1. Ha.
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 11 months ago

                You sir, are a moron. Goodbye.

                1. Phil Dagger ⭐
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 11 months ago

                  I see u out of ideas
                  good bye

          2. Phil Dagger ⭐
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            sanchez lukaku have done the business when he is not captained
            and he is mostly the highest scoring in.those captaincies
            plus. high TV and SV could still have a balanced team with aguero
            he is also now a differential captain which was not the case before
            whats not to like?

            only concern is pep for me
            not aguero
            not 12.8
            and not he is off penalties

  18. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Another attempt at the wc team after a bit on tinkering. Thoughts appreciated. Cheers

    Heaton mannone
    azpi brunt ake chambers amat
    sanchez alli lallana phillips de roon
    kane costa defoe

  19. Lecky Legs FC
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Thoughts on this squad look for GW 21?

    Grant
    Alonso Ake Holebas
    Ali Hazard Phillips Sanchez (C)
    Costa (VC) Ibra Origi

    Subs:Pickford,McAuley,De Roon & Love

    Already used my FT on Mane > Ali 0.7 left ITB

    1. Je suis le chat
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Very nice, I've also the Origi dilemma.

      1. Lecky Legs FC
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks bud I am considering Origi a lot but don't want to take anymore hits till March/April at least not sure he will play vs United next GW all depends if Studge is fit for it Coutinho coming back won't effect him to much.

        1. fedolefan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Why the stubbornness with no hits till March/April?

          1. makaveli123
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            DGW?

  20. Delima
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Hi,

    Heaton
    Rose - Brunt - Ake - Alonso - Holebas
    Sanchez - Alli - Coutinho - Walcott - Fletcher
    Costa - Lukaku - Anichebe

    On WC, i think this must be the best i can do...

    0.0 ITB

    Thoughts?

    1. Delima
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      and Foster

    2. The Wizard of Ozil
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Decent team. Have you any plans to play Holebas though? You might as well get someone cheaper imo and have some itb to play with for upcoming weeks?

  21. AZERTY
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    How does this look as an alternative squad:

    Forster (Valdes)
    Ake - Zabaleta - Baines (Evans - Kingsley)
    Firmino - Hazard - Ozil - Toure - Philips
    Zlatan - Costa (Carroll)

    1. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      One of Ozil and Toure is ok, but not both. And Gray over Carroll if you are going cheap. Evans to a Stoke defender.

  22. Scotty B
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Who should I captain and does bench look right or swap one for Phillips who has tough fixture?

    Heaton
    Ake Walker Baines
    Sanchez Lallana Phillips Alli
    Defoe Ibrahimovic Costa

    Foster De Roon Chambers Pieters

  23. La Roja
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    I see plenty of teams doubling up with Spurs mid.

    Will Eriksen and Alli keep that up though?

    1. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Not sure, but Liverpool did and Spurs are bang in form.

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Besides, returns from Alli along the lines of 8,6,2,8,10,2 (earlier this season), is not unreasonable to expect and will still be a successful transfer.

      2. La Roja
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Doubling them up at the backnow better show it imo

        Walker Rose

        Both are attacking fullbacks too

        1. fedolefan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah, that's reasonable too. Not too many mids firing right now anyway. Everyone looking at Stanislas and Philips is where things are unfortunately.

          1. Karan_G14
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            Stanislas & Philips both are extremely good options in the short term. I except them to outscore a lot of mids price above them in the short term.

            1. fedolefan
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 11 months ago

              Backing yourself into a corner if you get both. Of course, they could home run, but what if they don't. Will need a -4 to upgrade them and then throw in a blank and you've just gotten yourself into a mess. There is a very high upside but a very low downside.

    2. chilli con kone
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      No IMO. One is enough despite good form. Number of good midfleid options available.

  24. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Chambers or Pieters?

  25. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    At what amount does the money left ITB become a waste and should be used?

    1. Ha.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Ultimately depends what you do with it. I had 4.5m ITB last week which has enabled me to upgrade Zaha to Alli. I knew Zaha was leaving and so was happy to sit on it.

  26. Je suis le chat
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Alli has 20 goals and 16 assists the past 2 seasons of PL (roughly 4000 main). Hazard has 13 goals and 9 assists over the same period.

    1. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Chelsea was dysfunctional last season though.

      1. Ha.
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Spurs were dysfunctional at the start of this season and end of last...

        1. Karan_G14
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          THIS!

        2. makaveli123
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Can't compare those situations in my opinion. Spurs were never close to being relegated. Chelsea lost 9(?) out of their 16 matches in the first half of the 15/16 season.

          1. Ha.
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            But it's all essentially just form. Everyone goes through phases. I don't think Spurs directly challenging for the title in a two-horse race and bottling it can be seen as a 'normal' occurrence.

            1. makaveli123
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 11 months ago

              I agree.

              1. Ha.
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 11 months ago

                Not operating normally is the very definition of dysfunctional

      2. Je suis le chat
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Dysfunctional became Azzard and co didn't bother. He has great ability but goes missing.

    2. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      And Erikssen?

    3. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Alli has 7 goals from 8 shots on target last 4. Hazard has 1 goal from 3 shots on target and that was a penalty. You can't score if you're not even hitting the target

  27. amit1964
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    do you think gabriel nail?

    1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Far from it, lost his spot again now Mustafi is fit

  28. The Overthinker
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Replacement for zaha.
    A) Antonio
    B) Walcott(triple arsenal)
    C) anyone else

    Have Phillips

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Jr Stanislas

    2. Ha.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Stanislas

    3. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Stanislas

  29. TLF
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Morning all, so Barnes is clearly a popular enabler at the moment for a 3-5-2 & for good reason but is anyone considering Gray as a cheap 3rd striker for a 3-4-3 ? Like many I had him in my team at the start after last year's performance in the championship and am thinking it could be his time to produce second half of the season, the hat trick would have helped his confidence after the lengthy suspension. Any thoughts ?

    1. Two is a Kompany three is a…
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Next 3/5 games are tough for Gray. The answers really lies in knowing how it compares to the 5th midfielder and also their form.

      1. TLF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Indeed, I wasnt thinking of bringing him in just yet but like him as a possible differential, will keep him on the watch list for now, cheers

  30. TaiwanHC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    GTG?

    Grant
    Holebas - Azp - Cedric
    Sanchez - Lallana - Alli - Stanislas
    Ibra - Costa - Rondon

    Foster, Phillips, Jones, Amat