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Huddersfield Town secured the services of Aaron Mooy on a permanent deal on Friday, after the midfielder played a key role in their promotion winning season while on loan from Manchester City.

The Australian international joins the Terriers for a club-record fee of £8 million, which could rise to £10 million depending on add-ons, and has signed a three-year contract, with the option of an extra year’s extension.

Speaking to the club’s official website, head coach David Wagner expressed his joy at being able to wrap up a deal for a player whose performances were central to Huddersfield’s success last term:

“As I said many times last season, Aaron was right at the heart of our team. When he played well, we usually played well – and won! His performances for us understandably brought a lot of interest in him this summer, so it is a big statement that Aaron wants to return to us… He is still a great age and has space to improve, which is exciting for us too!â€

The History

Born in Sydney, Australia, Mooy’s big break came in 2006 when he joined then Premier League outfit Bolton Wanderers at the age of 16.

Mooy stayed with the club for the next four years, before departing at the end of his contract in July 2010 due to being unable to break into the first-team squad.

The midfielder joined Scottish Premier League side St Mirren, and made 21 first-team appearances over the next two seasons, registering once goal and three assists, before returning to his homeland with newly formed A-League side Western Sydney Wanderers in June 2012.

He scored four goals in 49 appearances, before moving to Melbourne City, where his career really took off.

Mooy registered 18 goals and 13 assists in 53 matches over a two-year period, with his performances during the 2015/16 season in particular, when he was named PFA Player of the Year, leading to the move to City in June 2016.

The midfielder was immediately sent out on loan to Huddersfield though, with Mooy producing four goals and seven assists in 48 league outings including the playoffs as the Terriers gained promotion to the Premier League.

After representing Australia at U20 and U23 levels, scoring six goals in 13 appearances, Mooy marked his senior debut with a goal and assist in a 9-0 win over Guam in December 2012.

Mooy has played 25 times for his country, producing five goals and eight assists.

The Prospects

Given that Mooy was never likely to break into the first-team picture at City, it came as little surprise to see Huddersfield’s Player of the Year return to the John Smith’s Stadium.

An all-round midfielder, Mooy boasts impressive technical ability, with his passing one of his main strengths, although his lack physicality and pace could be more apparent in the top flight. The Australian is, however, strong in a challenge and ranked fourth for tackles among Championship midfielders last season.

More importantly from a Fantasy perspective, he boasts tremendous quality through his set-piece delivery, and also took two of his side’s four penalties last term, scoring one and missing another.

Mooy impressively made more key passes (102) and successful tackles (114) than any team-mate, playing predominantly as the deep-lying playmaker in central midfield.

His output in the Championship, along with the fact Wagner has turned him into a more rounded midfielder, having played much of his football in Australia as a No 10, suggests a likely price tag of between 5.0 and 6.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

However, interest in Mooy could be drowned out by the attention given to another potential midfield target: Elias Kachunga, who was Huddersfield’s top scorer last season with 12 goals.

The DR Congo international made 36 of his 44 league appearances in the attacking midfield positions, with the other eight coming as a central striker.

He may well be classified as a midfielder in FPL then, and if priced similarly to Mooy, could hold the upper hand.

Wagner’s side struggled badly for goals last season, managing just 56 across the 46 league matches, suggesting that despite their favourable opening schedule, we should be wary opting for Huddersfield attackers as budget options.

The Terriers begin their campaign away to Crystal Palace, while over the first eight Gameweeks, they face just one of last season’s top seven (NEW, SOT, whm, LEI, brn, TOT, swa).

So should either Mooy or Kachunga impress in pre-season, there’s every chance they may be viable options as a cheap fourth or fifth midfielder, with Derby County’s Tom Ince potentially another option, with a fee agreed for the winger on Friday.

Mooy certainly looks capable of making the step up to the Premier League from a technical standpoint, and with his set-piece duties so prominent, he could be a factor in the coming season, particularly if he is the designated penalty taker.

But with other possible candidates in both midfield and attack and further new Huddersfield signings to come, Fantasy managers will hope that pre-season can provide some cast-iron evidence of a stand-out option.

Further Reference

Aaron Mooy Wikipedia

Aaron Mooy Transfer Markt Page

Aaron Mooy 2016/17 Highlights

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. FPL Prices Hints - Who do we want?
    Mark
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    • 18 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Here's a topical Hot Topic for you.

    If FPL are to release some early prices soon, who do we want?

    I doubt they will give us Kane but who else would likely give us the best barometer for the price list?

    1. AA33
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Pogba, Jesus, Lukaku, Alli, King.

        1. AA33
            8 years, 5 months ago

            And De Bruyne.

        2. Lovren an elevator
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Kun and Jesus!

        3. Je suis le chat
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Cesc at 7.5m, Bego at 4.5m, Ake at 5m, Giroud at 8m.

        4. pokern1nja09
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Sanchez' classification. Got a feeling he'll be a forward, and wondering I feel he'll still be essential as an expensive forward.
          Would also like to see Firmino/ josh king.

          1. pokern1nja09
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            * wondering if

        5. Dreams
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Moses
          Salah
          Butland
          Defoe
          King.

        6. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Alli Jesus Butland Bailly Lukaku Lacazette Pogba Salah

        7. Holmes
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Price of new signings

        8. Moin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          If they would give a Hint, let it be one from each position:

          GK: Begovic
          Def: That New Arsenal Signing (Forgot his name)
          Mid: Pogba
          Fwd: Lukaku

          1. Moin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Zabaleta is another player who's price I am interested in

        9. Phil Dagger â­
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Something like this would give a good idea I guesa

          GK - Butland, Heaton
          Def - Cahill, Valencia
          Mid - Alli, Coutinho , Pedro
          Att - Jesus

          Plus the bonus. Position and prices of
          Alonso,Moses, King, Dier, Firmino 😉

        10. Davido989
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          If I had to pick 3,

          Heaton, Liverpool mid, Llorente.

          If Heaton is 4.5 then your cheap GK comment would be correct.

          Liverpool mid gives a rough idea of how much the others may cost.

          Llorente would help to guess Gabbi/Defoe/Benteke's price as third striker slot.

          1. Davido989
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            As as Clump said, an attacking full/wing back. Walker, Valencia, Alonso would be nice.

        11. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Some early prices coming soon confirmed.

        12. Geoff
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I don't really want any until all of them come out

          1. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            😡 Pukka off 😉

            1. Geoff
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              😀

              As a tease to get people talking about FPL more I see why they do this kind of thing but it just feels gimmicky. We on here complain through the beginning of the summer that there's too much speculation about prices this just increases that!

              Why not release one name July 10th, two on the 11th, four on the 12th, etc; that would make it even more exciting 😉

              1. Phil Dagger â­
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                That will drive away the FPL game Release deadine.

                just release some players prices now and Release the game altogether on 11 th

                Happy Days 🙂 .

        13. Duffy Dunk
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Ake.
          Also, getting to know the price of some probably cheap newly promoted fodders like Ritchie would be nice.
          But even if prices are not announced before day 1, knowing the positions of players the role of which is not very clear, would be the best.

          1. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Ake 5.0 Confirmed 😉

        14. diesel001
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          2 per position, max 1 per club:

          GK: Ryan, Butland
          DF: Kolasinac, Maguire
          MF: Salah, B.Silva
          FW: Defoe, Lukaku

        15. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Nathan Redmond

        16. Margarido
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Eriksen

          Think he is the best one fire and forget

        17. Garlana
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          King, curious on whether he's a forward or mid and if he's had a price hike.

          Ake, hopefully a budget buy, looks almost guaranteed to do well.

        18. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I think a player like Josh King whose position is up in the air would be a good sneak preview.

        19. Arn De Gothia
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Alonso, Azpi, Pogba, Lukaku, Alexis, Jesus

        20. bojack
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Alli and Mané

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Another way of looking at this would be to release the prices of all the players in a mid-table club such as Bournemouth or West Ham. Then we can speculate on higher and lower prices.

        21. shirtless
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Foster! 4.5 or not?!

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Almost certainly, imo. The cheapest viable keeper combo could be Foster/Myhill for 8,5m

            1. shirtless
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              If so I'm on it. Heaton at 5.0 with those away fixtures is a no go and my keeper rotation last year was a disaster early season!

        22. Jay_
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Butland, Kolasinac, Pedro, Lukaku

            Or similar, one from each position leaked from the Friday 7th until it goes live on the 11th.

          • Jigger & Pony
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Would be great to see the prices of Lukaku, Sanchez, Trippier and Heaton.

          • RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Have FPL said they might release some early prices?
            It's only happened once or twice before to my knowledge, in seasons when the FPL launch was delayed and they had not given us a date for it.

            If they do give us some advance information, I would be more interested to know which players will be reclassified to a different position (e.g. King, Firmino, Milner and Moses).

            1. RedLightning
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 15 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              ...Although I seem to remember that Mark Rogers did leak some a couple of seasons back, either through spying on someone in the know or through intelligent guesswork.

              1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                You aiming to start a riot on here? Mentioning Mr Imminent like that.....

                1. RedLightning
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                  • 15 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  I think he lost his credibility last season when his predictions of the launch date were vague and over-optimistic.

                  And FPL have pre-empted him this time by announcing the launch week themselves.

            2. VS10_
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Would be a bit weird for Mark to start a hot topic like this if they wouldn't plan to do that. First time they have an official twitter account and are tweeting a lot so it makes sense really.

              1. RedLightning
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                • 15 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                But has there been anything on FPL twitter yet?

                I couldn't tell whether our Mark knew something or whether he was just suggesting that it might be a possibility.

                As you say, they have been broadcasting a lot more information than usual on twitter for a year now, including the date of the next launch week, so I suppose they might have decided to break with tradition and release a few early prices.

          • Ramboros
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Kolasinac, Salah, Gross, Klaassen, Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Fabregas, Pedro, Jesus, King and Begovic.

          • sid22022
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            PVA
            Begovic
            ALEXIS
            Siggy
            Lukaku

          • I Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Heaton, Sane, Pedro, Jesus and a reclassified player (Moses, Milner, King, Firmino).

          • Bunk Moreland
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Alonso, Aguero

          • Mickyctots
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Mahrez, Jesus, Heaton pretty please.

          • electrue
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Tottenham mid, pool mid or city attacker.

          • Ruut
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            We should get a spine and a low priced sub.

            Gk cb md fwd sub

          • andy85wsm
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            For us I think it's more interesting to not get prices of the really big names as we're expecting them to be high anyway.

            The likes of Sigurdsson, Alonso, Milner would be good. I'd also like to see some mid priced strikers like Defoe and Sandro to get an idea of any potential value up front.

        23. Clump
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          A wing back would be the most helpful!

          1. Clump
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Fail to ht above.

        24. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Ox declines Arsenals offer and would like to work under Klopp for effectively the same chances of game time. Says a lot

          1. Arteta
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Source?

              1. Arteta
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Cheers Berb! According to the media we're about to sell half of our team so I don't pay much attention to it. And I don't think Ox is what Liverpool need anyway..

                1. diesel001
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Don't need Ox - sell him. Get a top defensive CM and Lacazette in.

                  Cech
                  Mustafi Koscielny Monreal
                  Bellerin Xhaka ????? Kolasinac
                  Ozil Sanchez
                  Lacazette

                  1. Phil Dagger â­
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    half of this team would be crocked or suspended 😉

                    1. diesel001
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      Ox's injury record isn't exactly great itself. He is an average English player IMO. Going the same way as Walcott.

                      1. internal error
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 12 Years
                        8 years, 5 months ago

                        Good to have as a squad player

                  2. Arteta
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Two words: squad depth. I'm just gonna say there's a lot of other players I'd rather sell before ditching Ox. I also have no idea who else are we gonna sign as I stopped reading transfer rumours. I only followed Lacazette saga and it looks like a done deal 😎

                    1. diesel001
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      Build squad depth over the next two transfer windows. Focus on the PL this season like Chelsea with a fairly settled 11. Tank the EL.

                      1. Phil Dagger â­
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 5 months ago

                        All good in theory Diesel.

                        The thing is Chelsea and Leicester had near perfect injury record that's why they kept a settled 11.

                        I dont think anyone can said that about Arsenal. Their players are always crocked.they need squad depth and quality in the depth

                  3. Lovren an elevator
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    What about when Bellerin and Sanchez leave tomorrow ?

                  4. PaddyPyne
                    • 11 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    ??????? = Mahrez!

            1. Epic Fail
              • 15 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              You calling him a liar?

              1. internal error
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Tbf im not to be trusted.

              2. Arteta
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Never! 🙄

          2. Davido989
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I think Northcroft also said he might just go for free next summer. But they'd be silly not to take 20-25m for a player who wants to leave.

            1. internal error
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Can see why they are going in hard for Mbappe

              1. Davido989
                • 15 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Fair play to them for being ambitious this window.

              2. diesel001
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Arsenal won't get Mbappe. But they will drive up the price and so when he goes to Madrid or Bayern etc it unsettles a forward who is at the club already. That starts a merry go round on which if they are smart they can capitalise. If Mbappe went to Madrid that is bound to put Benzema out of joint and then Arsenal can pursue him.

                1. internal error
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Then they are better off waiting on Lacazette. Would Real sell both Benzema and Morata?

                  1. diesel001
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    I could see Real selling both if Mbappe came in. Benzema is 30 so he is not going to get better.

                    Get more games out of James Rodriguez, Kovacic, Vazquez etc and promote some of the youth team. They don't need really strong backups for the league. Even Bale has said La Liga is easier than the PL:

                    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/gareth-bale-real-madrid-premier-league-a7615366.html

                    1. Phil Dagger â­
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      If James Rodriguez stays at Madrid after all the debacle .........
                      .....
                      ....

          3. Jazz!
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            He's shite anyway

        25. âš½ï¸ Dingo âš½ï¸
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Aaron 'Dingo' Mooy

          1. Arteta
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Is he the best Australian footballer right now?

            1. Moin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Tim Cahill

              1. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                I can't believe he still plays football. He's been around since the beginning of time.

              2. Arteta
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                He's still playing? Kudos to him!

                1. Man Chest Hair United
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Tom juric and Tommy Rogic are the future

            2. âš½ï¸ Dingo âš½ï¸
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Has to be Mooy. Cahill playing domestic league and struggling for a start on the international stage. Cahill easily the best player we have ever produced.

              1. Man Chest Hair United
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Cahill the most effective and best international. Kewell had way more talent and was so dominant before injury

              2. scootadee
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                this.
                Juric and rogic are young and very talented. Cahill is our best scorer all time but well past his best. Mooy is our best player.

                1. Parm
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Surely Mark Viduka was better than Cahill?

        26. JurgenRodgers
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Lacazette at £10m would be nice, also Sandro at Everton is hopefully in the £6.5-£7.5 bracket..
          If J-Rod deal go's through could also be a great option if he's still Oop Mid

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Will lacazette be on pens? Noticed that he scored 28 goals in league last season, 10 were pens

          2. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            You wouldn't fancy Sandro if Giroud ends up at Everton!

            1. JurgenRodgers
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Pen situation probably depends were Sanchez ends up, can't see Giroud moving to Everton tbf

              1. Andy_Social
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Better option than the Hammers, no?

                1. JurgenRodgers
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Could see him moving back to France, all though he would be a great Fpl option at Everton

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 13 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    quite likely, but if he opted to stay in the PL, Everton would be his best bet I think. Regular games, good supply, top manager.

          3. Lovren an elevator
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Will sandro be first choice though?

            1. La Roja
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              61m says hello

              1. Lovren an elevator
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Sorry, meant Sandro Ramirez. Yeah safe to say sandro is nailed, bad news for Alonso!

        27. Individual
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Like Mooy, but he's very much in the engine room. 4g 7a in 45(3) apps and with a 5.5 pricetag I suspect just not really going to figure on our radars unless a bandwagon begins.

          As the article mentions, Kachunga (who we looked at here: http://whogottheassist.com/posts/461) might be better for HUD

          Not going to do an article on him I don't think 🙂

          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            They have some nice fixtures though. Ince is another.

            1. Individual
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Incey we'll definitely have a look at.

              Very good opening fixtures for sure. Lots depends on if they hit the ground running.

              We've looked at the left back Chris Lowe too, who may be on pens.

              But it's very much a lottery until we see what they're like in the pl

          2. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Huddersfield are such a poor team. Low scoring in the championship with few clean sheets. It should be £4.5m and £4.0 all round, really.

          1. Dreams
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            🙂

            1. Dreams
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Can't wait to get a lower ID.

          2. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            11 july

            11:11:11 😎

          3. HVT
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            🙂

          4. VS10_
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            It was Tuesday last year also, around 1030am.

        28. Foozeball
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Also of note regarding Huddersfield:
          https://www.htafc.com/news/2017/june/loan-goalkeeper-jonas-lossl-joins-town/

          Jonas Lossl has been signed on loan with option to buy from Mainz, presumably to replace previously on loan keeper Ward

          Numbers aren't too impressive for a struggling Mainz side the past season
          According to Squakwa:
          27 appearances
          5 clean sheets
          1.93 saves per game

          Loris Karius also came from Mainz when he joined Liverpool, and his stats were strictly better than Lossl's
          34 appearances
          9 clean sheets
          2.53 saves per game

          Mainz struggled a lot in general last season, especially compared to the one before, so the numbers don't necessarily tell the whole story

          1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            He started well. Looked like Martin Schmidt had found a bargain, but he soon turned to shite and lost his place to Huth.

            Lössl wouldn't fill me with confidence personally. Even Leeds have signed a better 'keeper in Felix Wiedwald.

        29. Lateriser 12
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Anyone 5th mid and 4/5th defender shortlists? Just diving deep and willing to look into names.

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            JWP, Stanislas and Phillips are on my current list.

            1. diesel001
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Ritchie, Stanislas, JWP (should get more games this season). Don't trust Phillips as he is meant to back from injury every week, but he still isn't back.

          2. Dreams
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            5th mids:
            Knockaert
            W.Hughes
            Shelvey
            Stanislas
            Chadli
            Mooy
            Gross
            Defender shortlist
            Olsson
            Holgate
            Keane
            Mee
            Jones
            Kelly

            1. Lateriser 12
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Tell me about Knockaety and Gross. I'm really eveing Shelvey up. Think he's quality.

              Jones, Kelly?

              1. Dreams
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Phil Jones IF he stays fit is a good option. Kelly is the Crystal Palace defender. Don't know if he'll start. Just earmarked him for the bench.
                Knockaert is almost a one man army for Brighton. Could be a mini Mahrez. Gross has a good reputation for set pieces. Another bench fodder.

                1. UshFPL
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Jones isn't a good option. I expect him to be 4th choice behind Bailly, Linfelof and Rojo

              2. Individual
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Hey LR, gotcha covered

                Knockaert: http://whogottheassist.com/posts/421

                Gross: http://whogottheassist.com/posts/561

                😉

                1. Dreams
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  These are good.

          3. Holmes
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Capoue, Schneiderlin, Fletcher, Janmaat, Yoshida, Pieters

            1. Foozeball
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Watford signed Kiko Femenia from Alaves. That might dent how nailed Janmaat is
              Hopefully one of them becomes the clear starter during preseason

          4. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Roberto Maximiliano Pereyra.

            1. Phil Dagger â­
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Which team did Maximillano Plays for? 😉 😉 😉

              1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Filter wont let me curse....

                Hint - Same team that stole the divine ponytail from the greatest Italian side ever!!!

                🙂

                1. Phil Dagger â­
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  😉

        30. Lateriser 12
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Hammers have some tasty fixtures.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            4 away games in the first 5 is a little off-putting.

            1. bojack
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Remember the season before last when they beat all and sundry away in Billic's opening few months?

              Not saying it'll happen again, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho had a strop on after proceedings close on the first day.

        31. HVT
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Profile updated 😎

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Still ugly. 😉

        32. Ludo
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I'm not a big fan of rotating keepers, but for those who are, I think the best bet from the start is likely to be Begovic/Fabianski, if they both come in at 4.5m.

          Bournemouth and Swansea rotate home and away for 34 out of 38 gameweeks in 17/18, and whilst they both have Man City at home in their first three, the schedule looks promising (bar GW10) for the first 16 GWs, which should be more than enough to take you to your first WC.

          wba/WAT/cpl/NEW/BRI/WAT/LEI/HUD/LEI/CHE(!)/BRI/HUD/BOU/BUR/SOU/WBA

          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            That's a great little line up.

          2. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Yup, I've this combo pencilled in if they both come in at 4.5

          3. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            What are you doing personally, Ludo? Are you avoiding Heaton and Butland?

            1. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Probably Foster/Myhill - minimum outlay at 8.5m, secure in case of injury or suspension, good fixtures to take me up to an early WC, and no chance of benching hauls in away games, where more save points come.

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Just 6 clean sheets from West Brom last season. They love conceding a solitary goal late in a game. It was very frustrating last season - don't think I'll go there again.

                1. Ludo
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  I'd be surprised if their figure is that low again, though there may not be fireworks - it's just not statistically sustainable whilst conceding so few goals.

                  1. Mark
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 18 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Hey fella , dropped you a mail - not sure if I had the right addy.

                    1. FPL Virgin
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      Did you get my email, Mark?

            2. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Heaton and Butland are ones to wait for the WC with their opening fixtures, for me.

              For all the talk of Heaton picking up save points in tough away games, Burnley are very unlikely to keep a CS in those matches. Their first five away fixtures are che/tot/liv/eve/mci - Heaton scored 3/3/1/2/1 in those fixtures last season. For 5.0m, I want a chance of points every week, as good as he'll be at home.

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                What about rotating Heaton with the palace goalkeeper?

                1. BigManBakar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Not sure if it's going to be worth the extra outlay.

              2. BigManBakar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Well said. Both are no go options for me early doors as well. 🙂

          4. Ludo
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            * Ignore the part about both playing MCI - was also looking at a BOU/BRI rotation.

          5. Holmes
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Locked and loaded if they are 4.5, otherwise I'm going with Lloris or DDG

          6. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            https://www.premierleague.com/news/422022

            Scout had his say

            1. Phil Dagger â­
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              They are doing a brilliant work imo

            2. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Forster and a 4.0 is another option not to be overlooked - great early fixtures, and Pellegrino's keeper at Alaves was kept fairly busy for a defensively solid team.

              1. Phil Dagger â­
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Good Shout.
                Although I think Cedric at 5.0 would be a much better choice from Southampton

          7. Individual
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            More a fan of 'fire and forget' 4.5/4.0 here, think with rotation bench points are inevitable.

            That rotation is very good though!

            I'm still thinking Begovic, Foster or Gomes are the main men really, with Foster the prime candidate due to decent opening fixtures.

            1. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Ditto!

          8. BigManBakar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks for this Ludo. Foster/Fabianski and Foster/NewC rotate very well too.

          9. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Very nice.

            Burnley/Palace is good for the first 6, if you expect an early WC.

            HUD, WBA, SWA, CPL, SOT, HUD

            1. BigManBakar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Shame that Heaton will be 5.0 this season. ðŸ™

              1. Piggs Boson
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                I don't think he will be. They may be squeezing keeper prices again.

                1. BigManBakar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  I'm sure he'll be 5.0 minimum, Mark did clarify later that what he said about keepers was being taken out of context

            2. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Yep, Burnley also dovetail nicely with West Brom, though I think that's one for the defenders, if you're like me and prefer not to rotate much at 5.0m or more (Heaton).

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Heaton & Foster. Lovely. 😉

                1. Phil Dagger â­
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  As Jafalad says
                  "Heatster"

                  1. Jafalad
                    • 15 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    😉

                    1. Phil Dagger â­
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      You Lurker 😉

                    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      Heatster it it is!!! 😀

                      Monster on MY Ticker:

                      WBA/BUR: BOU 182 . WBA 62 . STK 211 . CPL 109 . WHM 102 . HUD 165 . WAT 330

          10. makaveli123
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks for sharing, Ludo! Probably going to without rotation this year though.

        33. BigManBakar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Afternoon all. How are we doing? 😉

          1. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Very good TFF.
            How is everything going ?

            1. BigManBakar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              I'm good man! Good to hear that all is well at your end too. Waiting for your email to pop up anytime soon. 😉

              1. Phil Dagger â­
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                😉 Yeah hopefully it will be real soon .

                1. BigManBakar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Lovely. Sounds great as you're the last one we're waiting for.

                  1. Phil Dagger â­
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Jesus Bejesus

                    Thanks for Waiting 🙂

                    1. BigManBakar
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 12 Years
                      8 years, 5 months ago

                      No problem, any idea which day is it likely going to be?

                      1. Phil Dagger â­
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 5 months ago

                        probaby at the end of this week ðŸ˜

                        1. BigManBakar
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 12 Years
                          8 years, 5 months ago

                          Ah alright. The wait continues. ðŸ™

          2. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Rubbish.

            Lost Izzy on day one of the TdF fantasy game with a lumber injury. He's out for the duration and needs an operation today, Game over for me before it's barely begun.

            He was Maverick enough to have won a stage or three in the mountains by going on to the attack, as oppose to Froome who just needs to sit back mostly. He's agreat descender and this year had a few downhill finishes.

            Pfffft.

            1. BigManBakar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Unfortunately I don't follow the TdF so have no idea what you're talking about but it sounds rough ðŸ™

              1. Dr Dream
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Really bad weather on day one. Two very good riders, and popular picks, crashed out
                on very wet roads for a time trial.

                Valverde and Izaguirre are top riders.

                1. BigManBakar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Wow that's unfortunate ðŸ™

              2. Dr Dream
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Here he is doing what he does best. He was my genius pick along with Lund.

                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iutu6tg-l5A

          3. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Oh...and he's usually very good in the wet....but not yesterday...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbBagJHl2fY

            1. Dreams
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Hey Wakey, congratulations on a good opening day.

        34. jimmy.floyd
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          KDB or Hazard?

          1. Phil Dagger â­
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            its last season all again 😆

            BTW KDB
            Hazard is injured

          2. Je suis le chat
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Kdb, though I won't be able to afford him.

            1. Matamatics
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              KDB is one of my favourite players but sadly likely to be too expensive to fit him in

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                I thought KDB was poorly priced last season. Hopefully he will be cheaper this year given his average position on the pitch and his lack of goals.

        35. Je suis le chat
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I'm enjoying the pick and suck it up aspect of fantasy TDF. 5 min to pick a team and done. Hope Sagan and Kittel feature today.

          1. âš½ï¸ Dingo âš½ï¸
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Richie Porte FTW!

            1. Dr Dream
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Hard work for him already. The Sky train will just follow Porte for a week now. He needed to be braver yesterday.

          2. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I'm still hurting from Izzy crashing out (see above).

            I went without Sagan to squeeze him in.

            1. Je suis le chat
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Hard luck, inspired Lund pick. I think Porte was right to be cautious, he'll be happy to bide his time with the pressure off for now.

              1. Dr Dream
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Yes he was right to be cautious...they all were.

                It got missed a bit on the commentary but Froome was equally cautious at the start of his ride. Somebody must have realised that actually yesterday was a great chance to get a jump on the field and then he really picked it up. Adantage of riding last and knowing that so many others had put safety first.

                1. Dr Dream
                  • 13 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Fortune favouring the brave in his case but I suspect we may have had more than just Valverde and Izzy out of the game if they'd all tried it...

                  1. Je suis le chat
                    • 11 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Pity, brave guys all. A highlight for me is watching them descend. Even if I had the ability, I don't think I'd have the guts.

        36. UshFPL
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          LOI side Bray Wanderers are in big trouble. Spent big money on players at the start of the season and still couldn't get fans in despite currently being 3rd in the league. Owner pulling out and players have been told to find new clubs. They may not finish the season.

        37. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          FAO Official FPL

          With Sandro likely to threaten his minutes, Alonso should not be significantly increased in price.

          There is even an argument for keeping him at £6m because Conte is not going to bench a £60m left back.

          1. Matamatics
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Maybe with Hazard out, Alonso could cover further forward on the left wing. An OOP Alonso would be too much to ask for I think

            1. FPL Virgin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              That's the dream.

              1. Dreams
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Yes?

              2. La Roja
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Yes?

        38. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Have anyone got a 'near perfect' team(s) to partner Watford in a rotation scheme for defenders?

          A few hours after fixtures were released someone suggested Leicester worked decent.

          1. white lightning
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Palace, Leicester, Watford is a good 3 way rotation but defenders probably not cheap enough. They play HUDD, BRIGHTON, BRIGHTON in 1st 3 games.

            1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Hmm, yes seems a bit expensive

        39. Dreams
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Has anyone seen okja? How's it?

        40. La Roja
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Fenerbahce claiming they are due to sign Dani Alves

        41. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Some Italian reports suggest Mahrez is a done deal for Arsenal and will be presented very soon.

          If and/or when, it will be interesting to see how much he will cost in fpl.

          1. Holmes
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Hopefully 8 or less

            1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              The season leading to his 5.5m price tag he had 4 goals, 5 assists, 0 yc in less then 2100 minutes.
              Last season he managed 6 goals, 4 assists, 4 yc in over 2800 minutes.
              I think he got the same amount of baps in both of those seasons.

              Of course this means very little as players tend to rise fadter/higher then the opposite but one can dream of a bit better then 8m.

              1. Matamatics
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                I suspect an 8.5 valuation. Certainly a decent option but not one of my first choices

        42. shirtless
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          With Defoe emerging as the likely third striker option anyone else considering a Mooy/Knockeart 4th/5th mid rotation?

          Pogba Sane Pedro Knckeart/Mooy

          Jesus Kane Defoe

          1. BigManBakar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Attacking rotations rarely work out.

            1. shirtless
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              I had Foster/Heaton last year and that was grim too!

          2. Mark
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 18 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I think we have to wait on prices. Not sure if I'd want rotation in midfield...can prove frustrating. I'd think I'm still in the 352 camp so hope I can afford to be strong across midfield.

            1. shirtless
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              I had planned it too Mark but a nailed on Defoe in an attacking team is too good to ignore for me!

        43. EDEN THE MAN
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Begovic, Fabianski
          Sandro, Ake, Holgate, Zaba, Fodder
          Sánchez, Alli, Stanislas , Liv Mid, 4.5
          Kane, Defoe, 4.5

          Will this come in at under 100?

          1. Holmes
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            -2.5

            1. EDEN THE MAN
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Is that yes or no?

              1. Holmes
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                2.5 over budget imo, so nope

          2. Je suis le chat
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            10m out.

          3. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Depends on which Pool mid. Definetly over budgert unless maybe your pool mid is like Can. Also, why is Holgate in your team...

            1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Typo city today

        44. La Roja
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Any idea when is FPL going to start?

          1. EDEN THE MAN
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            11th

            1. La Roja
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              get in

            2. Mark
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 18 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              lol don't take my word for it...was just my best guess that week!

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Any chance of having a "total assists" stat? For space reasons?

              2. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                told you

        45. EDEN THE MAN
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Why so much love for Pogba?

          1. La Roja
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Poglove

          2. makaveli123
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Reduced price, a new DM will provide more defensive balance which can be good for his output and hopefully less wasteful teammates 🙂

          3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Through balls. But his judgement is going to have to improve. A lot.

          4. shirtless
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I think if Matic arrives we could see him in the no10 in a Gerrard type role. Hit the woodwork so many times last year if they start breaking for him he's a must.

        46. La Roja
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Hakan Calhanoglu from Leverkusen just signed with AC Milan - Euro 23m

          1. Holmes
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Nice

            1. La Roja
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Nantes

        47. Je suis le chat
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Ticker is a headwreck, trying to decipher who BHA are.

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Brighton & Hove Albion

            1. Je suis le chat
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Ta, BRI would have been more logical.

        48. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Mmmm.

          As predicted TdF has slowed to a crawl. Gonna be a long first week.

          1. Je suis le chat
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Hoping for a sprint finish and a Kittel win. Dull visuals. They should have planted a few fields of sunflowers in Düsseldorf for the occasion.

            1. Dr Dream
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Gone for Kittel myself.

              Cav will be glad that the race has opened as it has. It will ensure very few risks by the top riders this week as the SKY train will stay together and just feel anybody back in to protect Froome's lead...meaning a slower race.

              That will suit Cav just fine so he may have a surprise left in the tank. Also Lund may have enough to compete again.

              1. Je suis le chat
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Be great to see Cav hang in there, he might give Sagan a bit of a run for the green jersey and of course get race fit for l'arc de triomphe finale.

          2. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Cue applause and modest nods from Wakey ...a good first day scoring for you!

        49. Davido989
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Oxlade-Chamberlain has rejected final Arsenal offer and is keen on move to LFC, says @JamesPearceEcho. https://t.co/LAzoMKqdnX

          1. Davido989
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Sanchez & Ox out, Lacazette and Mahrez in?

            1. La Roja
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Very likely imo

          2. KingNidge
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Hehe

          3. Matamatics
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Do Liverpool seriously need more midfielders?

            1. La Roja
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              this

            2. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Exactly. The Ox would be even further from regular 1st team football than if he stays at Arsenal.

            3. Davido989
              • 15 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Looks like Klopp wants Keita and Ox.

        50. jimmy.floyd
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          KDB or Alli? Planing to include Kane, no Aguero/Jesus though

          1. Matamatics
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Spurs double up will be costly. Planning on going without Liverpool or Utd ?