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As the Fantasy Premier League season draws to a close, I wanted to highlight some alternative sources of Fantasy entertainment taking place over the summer, in Fantasy Eliteserien (FES) and Fantasy Allsvenskan (FAS), the equivalent games for the Norwegian and Swedish leagues respectively.

In this article I’ll take a look at these games, which have been designed by the same development team behind FPL but crucially offer some interesting variations that are helping to transform Fantasy Football.

Children of the master

So, the big thing about these Scandinavian Fantasy games compared to others, is that they are developed by the makers of, and in the style of, the grand master of football fantasy games, Fantasy Premier League.

As such there are a lot of things FPL managers will find comfortingly familiar, like the layout, the main scoring, the captain and vice captain, what kind of players are haves and have-nots, the value of a double Gameweek, the wildcard chip and more. Essentially they are part of a core Fantasy family of games now cropping up.

Technical differences

Live updates 

Being of cut from the FPL cloth but aimed at a different league there has been some leeway to play around with the format and try out some new themes. Chief among these is the hipster perk of Live Updates.

These offer bang up to the minute updates on leagues and average scores. Featured in both FES and FAS, these updates really draw you into the rollercoaster ride of a Gameweek, looking not only at what you would like to happen for your team, but seeing what you need to keep over the average, and how close are you getting to the top of your mini-league or ranking milestone.

It’s a nice little perk that is made possible with FES and FAS’s comparatively low base of users. For FPL, with millions of managers involved the logistics are simply too great.

Team sheet heads up

Another technical twist is that FES offers a heads up on team sheets, in the same way Sky Fantasy Football does. This means managers have the chance to see the team sheet and make changes accordingly. This is a huge bonus for savvy managers looking for an edge.

Chip innovation

Chips are available in FES, but are markedly different to those used in FPL as each set of chips are proprietary to each league,

This means we get to experience a whole new set of chips, something that has sparked myriads of debates on chip design and the uses of chips. We are sure Allsvenskan will follow suit, but it does make sense for them to start up without for the first season.

Here are the innovative chips used in FES:

“Parkere Bussen” – Literal translation “Parking the Buss” – essentially a captaincy on the entire defence (double points on all defenders)

“Spissrush” – Striker rush – double points on all strikers

“To kapteiner” – Two captains – Get your captain-points from both the captain and vice captain

Return of the man in the stand in Norway….

For veteran FPL managers, FES uses its old man in the stand bonus system, where the commentators for each game also assign the bonuses after the match. The points themselves are the standard 3,2,1 assignment FPL managers are now used to, but there is no BPS or stats allowing you to predict them to such exacting degree, just the opinion of who was impressed by what player.

This opens up the possibility of the bonus magnet player to a much higher degree, especially in a league where, if you stand out, you REALLY stand out.

….but not Sweden.

In contrast, FAS went a completely different route with their bonus system, assigning points directly based on statistical milestones. Rather than explaining it in detail, think of it like tracking FPL’s Bonus Point System parameters and seeing points assigned to your player as milestones are reached. These cover aspects of play such as  key passes, crosses, recoveries, missed sitters and even mistakes directly responsible for goals have an immediate impact on your player’s chances of bonus.

Testing your research skills

FES and FAS have some obvious problems when it comes to creating a base for managers of Fantasy, most of them revolving around specific league, player and team knowledge. Unlike the Premier League, which is known around the world and reported on religiously, taking part in Fantasy football in Scandinavia requires you to either do much more research, have much more luck or be native to it.

The FFScout community has provided a solution to this. Each week we produce an article to preview the next set of fixtures and discussions on the game and key players to consider. As a result w have seen some very good manager results even for those with no prior knowledge of the league. We can only hope Allsvenskan experts will follow suit.

Another challenge is language, as these games’ language are inherent to their native country in Norwegian and Swedish respectively. The Norwegian one saw popularity outside their borders and have added an English translation version as of this season.

Unpredicatability

Each season in FPL double and blank Gameweeks tend to fall at the same time of year and are caused by Cup commitments. Some have raised concerns that this makes the game too predictable, with chips deployed by savvy veterans at the same time each season. In Scandinavia this is not the case, with more randomness to double Gameweeks as they are often caused by weather cancellations or possible European cup qualification commitments. This makes  chip-play a bit more difficult, particularly in FAS, which has seen three double Gameweeks already and perhaps more to come.

This randomness also means that hits are less potent, as expected returns are harder to predict.

Third party woes

FPL has left us spoiled silly when it comes to data, tools and analysis for the game. The lack of comparable tools for the Scandinavian games thus far leaves a void hard felt by the managers really going for it. I’ll just leave this challenge here though: An adaptable open source for such tools to apply to these games (and maybe more to come?) could be a real “in” to a new market.

Reflections and debate

Scandinavian football’s calendar year focus makes FES and FAS work as good low-pace, off-season alternatives for FPL managers, who are used to a season running from August to May.

Much more than that though, the introduction of these games, with the variations they present, are excellent platforms for discussion on how Fantasy Football can be developed further. To exemplify this I’ll leave some points of discussion here to discuss in the comment section below.

Chips – shaking up the template

As already mentioned FPL’s chips are often deployed at the same time of year, around Double Gameweeks, which can create a template to teams. With no such predictability in the fixture schedule coupled with some innovative design, FES chips offers Fantasy managers far more flexibility.

For example, having one chip all about the defenders presents Fantasy managers with a whole new challenge to how they set up their team, such as whether to play in a single Gameweek when a team with a tight defence has a particularly good fixture.

Certainly, anything that expands the possibilities when it comes to building and balancing squads makes for a more interesting game.

Bonus changes 

Could the FAS bonus system be a better alternative to FPL’s Bonus Point System? Could the man in the stand offer a more realistic view of who deserves extra points? The approaches in the Scandinavian game certainly give Fantasy managers food for thought. What do you think?  Could FPL also look at tweaking how it hands out extra points?

Those are my thoughts for now, and I hope this article generates further discussion, and that you feel, like I do, that Fantasy Football is moving into a new age, with the North of Europe lighting the way to present some interesting variations to the game we love.

LINKS

Fantasy Eliteserien –  (English, Norwegian)
Fantasy Allsvenskan  – (Swedish)

And join our leagues:
FFS Eliteserien (30-731)
FFS Allsvenskan (13767-2471)

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  1. J0E
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    • 16 Years
    7 years, 7 months ago

    Fascinating stuff.

    The new chips are really innovative. Although FPL can't use these specific ones I'd like to see them mix up the chips more. Perhaps have one chip that changes each season. Also chips for first half and second half of the season - that would create single gameweek use of them.

    The bonus is really interesting too. Lots of love still for the good old man in the stand - I certainly valued his points in Sky Fantasy Football last night with my captain McCarthy getting Man of the Match bonus.

    1. Geoff
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      • 13 Years
      7 years, 7 months ago

      I wonder also if they could just limit the chips to single gameweeks.

      They could either write something that only allows the chip to impact on the first 10 games in the GW a chip is played, or hand the chips back if the GW has any doubles. It would of course mean that saving chips for the end is dangerous, if unexpected doubles happen, but with the DGWs fairly set now that's not a huge risk.

      1. Sandstorm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 7 months ago

        I hate (all) chips but that might make them more tolerable. Live updating is absolutely fabulous even though they sometimes make corrections to points so you can't totally trust it but that I don't mind.

        Team sheet heads up has exploded my head a couple of times. About 10-15 minutes to make life defining decisions is too much for me.

        1. Geoff
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          • 13 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          The team sheets are often just for one game, as the Saturday usually just has one. It's a nice advantage for those who are really on it.

          As for the chips I agree, in a way. You can have a great season and then be undone by chips, which seems (even more) arbitrary than normal GWs. That said, I think we might just need a tweak to make them interesting again.

  2. Geoff
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    • 13 Years
    7 years, 7 months ago

    Great summary!

    I'm really enjoying FES. It's bringing me back to my beginning FPL, with all the research and figuring out the game. The unpredictability is great.

    Thanks for the article 🙂

  3. MrKlin of Norway
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 7 months ago

    Not knowing the league, I got that "other side" experience trying the Allsvenskan fantasy game now, giving me a fresh perspective on what information would actually be needed in the articles for FES.

    I'm falling in love with their bonus-system a bit too. That feeling of picking up an extra point or two here and there even though your player "blanks" is a satisfying reward when you have a good player who just didn't get into the scoring action this gameweek. From a technical point of view the road should be pretty short for FPL to get this as well, seeing as they are already tracking BPS containing all that data, thus leaving discussions on the format as a purely academical excersise in the questions of would it be advicable, how would it need to be balanced, what milestones etc.
    Given the critique the bonus system got this season, I strongly believe this is a viable route to go to balance out the system some.

    1. TallestJohn
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 7 months ago

      FAS bonus is exciting because I'm sure it has been taken in to account when pricing players and also solves the age old fantasy problem of defensive midfielders. The likes of Kante and Fernandinho would be great, as they are in Sky.

  4. Barry Jones
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 7 months ago

    I am living proof that a beginner can succeed on FES. By just analysing the data provided on the site, since I started in round 5 I am number one in the world.

  5. DJDave1979
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 7 months ago

    I think a chip aimed at defenders is great. The defence is largely ignored in FPL whereas the key players in my FES side have been defenders since I loaded up to Park the Bus.

    And later in the season I will go top heavy for the all out attack.

    1. MrKlin of Norway
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah, agree. Any new chips would have to aim at shifting the game, having an impact on the "template" way of playing. Things focusing on players normally not prioritised (Defenders, Keepers, maybe even defensive mids?) or play at times not template (single gameweeks only? chips for first and second half of season?). If a new chip is introduced that does not make any such change or impact, it is just a footnote and not really worth the effort.

      Although this season has had the discussion on how template the way to play chips have been, we can't deny that the balance in the 3 FPL chips has been fairly good this season, with Free Hit complementing this style of play in a way All out Attack never did.

      1. MrKlin of Norway
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 7 months ago

        I jokingly suggested a new chip that now I think about it I actually like:

        THE WALL - both your goalies get tripple points for one gameweek

        1. Geoff
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          7 years, 7 months ago

          I like this one 🙂

    2. MTPockets
        7 years, 7 months ago

        Yes I've changed my mind on this and your "defence is largely ignored in FPL" sums up why.
        It's not that chips are necessarily bad, but what they amount to. PTB was a great idea, even if I played it wrong in hindsight.

    3. MTPockets
        7 years, 7 months ago

        Nice to find this article MrKlin.

        Allsvenskan bonus system is the best yet imo. Tried to get some discussion going on replacing FPL's 3-2-1 but didn't really happen, so to just repeat myself: "may lead to more variety in picks, bring defensive mids and no-flair defs into the game, perhaps less template".
        https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/comment/18170724

        One issue though is how well that bp system would work/be received in a game without live updates? Still better than 3-2-1 I think.

        1. MrKlin of Norway
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          "..would work/be received in a game without live updates? .."

          This is a non-issue I think. Although avg.scores and leagues are not live in FPL, BPS and game-relevant points ARE, so that would not be an issue here. Having looked over the BPS system in the rules of FPL, I think it is a small matter of simplifying what data is used, deciding on milestones to generate points, and implementing.

          I agree with you, the base premise is excellent for FPL I believe.

          1. MTPockets
              7 years, 7 months ago

              Agreed, just meant it's likely particularly acceptable and a little more exciting when live. People seem to dislike 'complicated' even if underlying stats are the same and the outcome would be more objective.

              Also repeating myself from other posts - think FPL's at a point where it needs a changed approach to account for squad rotation and pricing that's too heavily skewed towards attacking points and therefore attacking players. A wider bp distribution method could help with this.

          2. J0E
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            • 16 Years
            7 years, 7 months ago

            Have hot topiced that post from you.

            Really interesting point

            cheers for posting.

        2. XabiAlonso
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          I've just joined the Norwegian one to give it a try cheers

        3. Euro Raiders
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          I’m all for opening up the game, whilst keeping the rules clear and relatively simple, as beneficial to the game. That’s my own view.

          I am constantly surprised at how resistant to change most fpl players appear to be. Maybe it’s in our nature now to be so quickly negative to creative ideas. My younger players want more, not less, involvement in managing and changing their teams. They play computer games with unlimited options. For them the more chips the better!

        4. Niemi
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          Nice article and good insight.

          For those who are reading this article, and not playing Fantasy Eliteserien: I'm considering setting up a league that starts the scoring after GW38 in FPL, from FES GW10 (deadline May 16th). There's 8 gameweeks between the end of the FPL season and the start of next season. Perfect opportunity to try out this game and to fill the FPL gap during the summer?

          Could this be of interest? Those who are already playing FES are of course welcome to join as well.

          1. Barry Jones
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 7 months ago

            I would be interested

          2. Euro Raiders
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 7 months ago

            I'm up for it.

            1. Niemi
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 7 months ago

              I'll make a league, and a post on it after GW38 is done. Hopefully we can get a hot topic for it too 🙂

              1. Kibby96
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 6 months ago

                Can we get one for the Allsvenskan too?

        5. DS.
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          It's also a big plus that these games run over the summer, albeit with a bit of overlap.

        6. GertJan
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          Great article, thanks for posting. 🙂

          Been playing FES for a second season after deciding to get involved last year to cover the FPL-less summer. Really enjoyed it and finished just outside the top 1K. Been struggling a bit so far, but still 2 chips in hand and relatively satisfied with my current team. I should've picked double Brann defence sooner. Owning Wormgoor alone just isn't enough.

          I literally know zero about Swedish football, but thought to myself, "What the heck, let's join the FFS league that's been set up and give it a go", to surprisingly find myself pretty high ranked, namely 2nd in the FFS league.

          The way bonus points in FAS are being allocated is definitely much more profitable for defenders. As far as I can tell lots of Swedish teams play a kind of wing-back formation. (Alonso would be pure gold with all his crosses into the opposition box.) I'm currently on playing 5 at the back with a cheap front line as there really don't seem any good strikers in FAS, apart from Paulinho, whose hattrick and 15 points last week were a wonderful surprise.

          On the subject of FES chips, I love the idea behind Park The Bus, but one could argue it's too powerful with potentially 5 captains in your team - let alone if it is being used in a double gameweek. We've seen in GW4 what happens then with some insanely high scores.

          Not a fan of the man in the stand to be honest as it's too subjective, but thumbs up for the FAS bonus system. A defender who concedes in Allsvenskan is still perfectly capable of ending up on, let's say, 4 points, which again promotes playing more than just 3 defenders.

          1. Mullered in Maenam
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 7 months ago

            Hi Gert

            Like you I'm really enjoying Eliteserien and Allsvenskan (I'm one point behind you in the FFS Allsvenskan) and it's interesting being able to compare a game with chips and a game without.

            I had a 156 pts return in GW 6 in Eliteserien (using PTB) and did take a lot of pleasure from that, especially as my FPL season has been poor and error-strewn. That said, I like the level-playing field of the Allsvenskan with no chips and the live bonus updates on Allsvenskan.

            Good luck for the rest of the season.

        7. Jairzinho
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 7 months ago

          "It’s a nice little perk that is made possible with FES and FAS’s comparatively low base of users. For FPL, with millions of managers involved the logistics are simply too great."

          Is this really the case? I'm really hoping it's a taste of what's to come next season on FPL.

          FPLDiscovery publishes 10 minutes after the matches finish. Fantasy Football Fix is another tool that sort of provides live updates. I believe they both use a small sample (FPLDiscovery top 10k + random 20k, not sure about Fix).

          This would really be a game changer for FPL next year. It's the change I'm most looking forward to, if it can happen.

        8. Kibby96
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Just joined the Allsvenskan FFS league. Any tips for a first timer?

        9. sttewwizza
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          It would be nice, that we have a chip "No limit"... you can have max 3 players from one team, but with no price limitations... so you could have in first XI all top players... it would be nice boost for the team... 🙂