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It was a largely disappointing end to a damp squib of a season for the five managers  I’m tracking at the top of the 2016/17 season’s Career Hall of Fame.  Just one, the new HoF number one Jay Egersdorffmade it into the top 10,000.

This rather lacklustre finish to the campaign follows nine top 1,000 finishes in the previous three seasons and a massive 37 top 10,000 ranks over the course of their Fantasy Premier League (FPL)  careers.

So what went wrong?

To help answer that question I have deployed Fusen’s FPL Statistico tool to gain an extra insight into their seasons.

POINTS & RANK


The graph above shows the ranks of the top five managers over the course of the season. The vertical scale is from rank 1 to 3m. The distance between the ranks corresponds to the number of points separating them. For instance there are 299pts between rank 1 and rank 100k and 191pts between 100k and 1m. The graph gives an idea of how difficult it is to move up the ranks as you near the summit.

ManagerPeterGraemeJayMatthewMark
GW points6762557077
Total points2,1542,1882,3432,3102,309
FPL rank253,757152,4514,15011,00911,458
FPL ID3629834517557497282370

Matthew Jones (aka Numb) missed out on his eighth successive top 10,000 finish by only four points. Nonetheless his final rank of 11,009 was his highest of the season and constitutes a remarkable turnaround for the Welshman who was just shy of the 3 million mark in Gameweek 5.

Heading into the final gameweek, Matthew was the only Top Five manager who kept hold of Leicester City duo Riyad Mahrez and Jamie Vardy. His perseverance was rewarded with a combined 26 points against Spurs. Prior to the nine goal thriller at Wembley, the pair had been a let down since forming an integral part of the Gameweek 32 Wildcard template.

Matthew’s faith in Mahrez and Vardy mirrors the faith he showed in Liverpool frontman Roberto Firmino earlier in the season. Matthew brought in the Brazilian on his Gameweek 4 Wildcard after two 12 point hauls in the opening three gameweeks. However he was forced to wait until Gameweek 15 for Firmino to manage his next double digit return.

PATIENCE VS MAXIMISING BUDGET

Matthew made the fewest number of transfers amongst our elite quintet (38), and his patience with mid-priced/premium players, like Firmino and Mahrez, contrasts sharply with the managerial style of his fellow HoFs.

In Gameweek 4 Firmino was the only player to be universally owned by the Top Five. However by Gameweek 6, Jay and Graeme Sumner (aka Gregor) had already discarded him following back to back 2-point returns. Peter Kouwenberg (aka My Pretty Pony) and Mark Sutherns (aka Mark) followed suit in Gameweek 8 after further blanks.

Since starting his weekly preview videos, Jay has been very revealing about how he plays the game. One of his golden rules is ‘focus on your most expensive players and make your budget work for you’. This is why he was so quick to sell Firmino, and underpins his thinking behind ‘Kanexit’ and selling Salah in Gameweek 33.

In the first part of the season Jay’s approach was certainly more effective than Matthew’s, as can be seen from the graph below:

While it would be too simplistic to say patience only serves you better later in the season, Matthew’s decision to hold onto Firmino – an £8.5m forward who averaged 2.6 points per game from Gameweek 4 to Gameweek 14 – showed patience certainly didn’t help him at the start.

In hindsight Matthew should have made more effective use of his budget, just as Jay did in that early part of the season. The Blackburn Rovers fan used his Gameweek 6 Wildcard to rebalance his squad; he downgraded Firmino to a cheap third forward and upgraded both of his budget midfielders – Crystal Palace’s Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Swansea’s Tom Carroll. It was the right decision as the players he brought in – Everton’s Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Brighton’s Pascal Groß, and Newcastle’s Matt Ritchie – all out performed those he sold.

However, we didn’t have to wait long to discover that Jay’s strategy wasn’t foolproof. Jay had valid reasons for selling Tottenham’s Harry Kane in Gameweek 18 – the Spurs ace was averaging 4.1 points per game since returning from a hamstring injury in Gameweek 11, hardly great value for the most expensive player in the game. Of course we all know what happened next.

This is where judgement comes in.

Neither approach is necessarily right or wrong. There were times it paid to be patient, and times it didn’t. Sometimes focusing on your most expensive players and rebalancing your squad was the right thing to do, at other times it backfired. Each manager has to analyse the data present at the time and make a decision.

On Firmino, perhaps his strong performances in the Champions League coupled with his good underlying stats convinced Matthew that he would repay his faith at any moment. It didn’t happen. Jay, perhaps wary of Firmino’s reputation of being a troll – a player with a history of posting good stats without returning points – sold him early.

THE TIDE TURNED FOR JAY

Just because Jay had decided to sell Firmino didn’t mean that he wasn’t prepared to buy him back when he hit form. Following a 13 point return in Gameweek 15, the Brazilian returned to Jay’s side in Gameweek 17 just in time for his best run of the season – 36 points returned over the following three gameweeks. Across the season Firmino averaged 6.3 base points per game for Jay, and 4.9 base points per game for Matthew.

It all seemed to be going so well for Jay, so what went wrong?

It’s easy to say that ‘Kanexit’ caused Jay to lose momentum. I wonder if he ended up defending an idea, and it meant that what had been perfect judgement in the first half of the season turned into points chasing in the second half.

He bought Manchester United ‘keeper David de Gea just after his only double digit return of the season, the stopper averaged 3.8 points when Jay owned him compared to 5.3 points when he didn’t.

He bought Manchester City’s Kevin de Bruyne in time for a slight dip in form – returns of 3, 6, 3 were sandwiched between returns of 10, 10, 12. This is a player who Jay had previously been in sync with, and praised for holding onto in Gameweeks 4 and 5.

Chelsea’s Eden Hazard was held for too long, and then sold in Gameweek 21 just before his best run of the season – 4.1 average base points before being sold, then 8.4 points in the following seven gameweeks.

When he started his preview videos, instead of telling viewers which moves to make, Jay would try to educate by explaining his ideas and logic. Did the videos cause him to become more stubborn because of the added scrutiny he put himself under? Did they affect his ability to play instinctively as he became more concerned about defending an idea?

It must be very difficult when you call yourself the world’s #1 FPL player to admit you may have made a mistake and correct it. It seemed to have a ripple effect and compromised his judgement.

Crystal Palace’s Wilfried Zaha and West Ham’s Marko Arnautovic were largely ignored. Players like Chelsea’s Willian, Tottenham’s Son and Alli, Leicester’s Vardy and Mahrez, Manchester United’s Jesse Lingard, and Watford’s Richarlison, were all either owned just after they had stopped hauling or sold just before they did, or both.

MATTHEW’S SECOND HALF COMEBACK

Although Matthew fell into many of the same traps as Jay – selling Hazard just before his good run, buying Willian just after his – he also managed to use better judgement on a number of players. In addition to keeping Mahrez and Vardy for the final gameweek, he bought Son and Stoke’s Xherdan Shaqiri for their most productive periods.

He took only three hits in the second half of the season, and from Gameweek 19 onwards was the most successful manager out of the Top Five in terms of points gained from immediate transfers with 89. Jay managed 53 points over the same period.

Double Gameweek 37 saw him sell Salah instead of Mahrez, in a move that demonstrated both patience in Mahrez and maximising his budget – Chelsea’s Andreas Christensen was upgraded to Tottenham’s Jan Vertonghen as part of a 19 point gain. Jay would have been proud.

However, Jay had bought Salah for a hit the previous gameweek, perhaps the repercussions of Kanexit played on his mind.

Despite their relative successes and failures, Matthew and Jay still had excellent seasons by most standards, both comfortably beating the AI manager featured on the BBC. However in Jay’s case, perhaps not the exceptional season it at one point promised to be.

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  1. J0E
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    Thanks for submitting.

    These two managers I also found the most interesting when I was doing my analysis.

    Jay for a great start and overcoming the disastrous Kanexit and Matthew for an awful start and having a sensational second half of the season by sticking to tried and tested methods - eg lack of hits and patience.

    If they had run a team with Jay taking the first 17 weeks and Matthew the next lot then it could have won FPL this season.

    1. Numb
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      7 years, 6 months ago

      What would the score and rank be of such a hypothetical combined team?

      Why the name change? Just an ordinary Joe now? 🙂

      1. Desperately Seeking Dusan
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        7 years, 6 months ago

        Now I'm always going to associate the Artist Formerly Known as Jonty with "Average Joe's Gym" from Dodgeball.

      2. Geoff
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        7 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah I'd be interested to know the combined score. Win it all maybe?

      3. RedLightning
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        According to the figures above, Jay's GW1-19 score of 1187 plus Matthew's GW20-38 score of 1228 would have given a combined total of 2415 and finished in the range 283rd to 297th.

        Jay's GW1-17 score of 1047 plus Matthew's GW18-38 score of 1399 would have given a combined total of 2446 and finished 73rd.

        An additional wildcard would also have been needed to convert Jay's GW17 squad to Matthew's GW18 one, and would Jay's squad value at that point have been sufficient for this conversion?

    2. TopMarx
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      7 years, 6 months ago

      Thanks for editing the article.

      Definitely these two have had contrasting seasons, I found it interesting to compare their approaches. We all have different ideas and methods as FPL managers, it's about knowing when to employ one over the other.

      It's not quite a perfect fit but the serenity prayer could almost have been written as an instruction to FPL managers: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

  2. Numb
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    7 years, 6 months ago

    Thanks TM. It was always going to be a long uphill battle to get into the top 10k after my awful start and I fell just short.

    1. G-Whizz
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      7 years, 6 months ago

      Still an amazing season you had, well done Numb!

      1. Numb
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        Thanks

    2. TopMarx
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      You did incredibly well, agonisingly close to the top 10k in the end.

      I'm curious to know what your thinking was behind keeping Firmino early season and keeping Mahrez & Vardy in the last couple of gameweeks?

      Have you always been quite a patient manager or does it depend on the player?

      1. Numb
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        7 years, 6 months ago

        I quite often think that if a player is a good pick then they're a good pick so the returns should come. I thought that Firmino was a good pick at that price in an attacking team, with pens at the time, so I tried to keep the faith. This can sometimes stray into stubbornness and this was definitely borderline on that.

        With Mahrez and Vardy - I just felt that they might come good in GW37 with the two home games. Then in GW38 it was a case of either Mahrez to Salah and play Willian OR Willian to whoever (I chose Ramsey who did just OK) and play Mahrez. I thought the latter was marginally better expected returns. I didn't want to take a hit for one GW so it was either / or.

        Sorry, you did ask!

        1. TopMarx
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          I did, and I wanted to know, thanks 🙂

          I find the different approaches interesting. Some managers like to jump on and off players, catch them for their good runs. Sometimes they are successful with this approach, like Jay was with Firmino, and sometimes not - Kanexit being the main example.

          It must take great faith in your judgement not to want to jump ship sometimes. What's important to you when assessing a player? or is it a combination of factors?

          Also well done on picking Son when others were ignoring him because of his GW31 blank.

          1. Numb
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            7 years, 6 months ago

            Obviously there are various factors and I'm sure mine won't be any different to others

            General attacking quality - this is probably the most important one for me I.e. Class is permanent

            Nailedonness - actually this is equally important! See Willian mistake!

            Attacking quality of their team (or defensive quality for defenders obviously)

            Form - mixture of actual returns, the "eye test" and underlying stats (I probably used the first one too much over the other two this season if I'm honest)

            Fixtures - over the next 4-6 weeks. I rarely bring in a player that is optimum for the current GW in isolation.

            Set pieces - these are a nice extra source of points potential

            1. TopMarx
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              Sounds simple.

              It is interesting though because it does vary a little between managers. Thinking of Coutinho as an example, you picked him for a run of 40 points in six matches before he departed for Barcelona. Yet he was a player Jay ignored because of his rotation risk – he’s the kind of player “Liverpool like to take off early and wrap in cotton wool”, he said, and he doesn't have a brilliant injury track record. So Jay missed out on his points.

              Oddly though you both picked Ramsey, a player who also doesn't have a brilliant injury track record and is a rotation risk.

              Basically I think it is good to have rules but sometimes there are exceptions. This is when using your judgement comes in. You seem to have pretty good judgement.

        2. FPL Virgin
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          The season before last I showed incredible patience with Firmino and it destroyed my season. When he finally scored a brace after countless blanks, I just felt (excuse the pun) numb and joyless because so much damage had been done by then. That could of easily have happened last season. Numb got lucky holding onto Firmino. It could of very easily have gone the other way. Plus the pantry was completely bare when it came to a choice of alternative strikers.

          1. TopMarx
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            I think you could argue he got unlucky holding onto Firmino so long without returns this season.

            I don't think (correct me if I am wrong) it was due to a specific reason, for instance teams coming to defend - one of the reasons Kane was so frustrating to own and captain early on. Firmino had a lot going for him and was turning promise into goals and assists in the Champions League. I felt he took his game up a notch this year.

            Although perhaps there was a specific reason - I notice Jay didn't pick him up again until the Champions League reached its winter break. Maybe Klopp preferred him for that tournament?

            I agree though there weren't many alternatives. Morata was a particularly bad and more expensive alternative for example.

          2. TopMarx
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            Although having said that perhaps Vardy was a good alternative. I presume you have seen this hypothetical team of the season? https://twitter.com/fplkernow/status/996156937334153216

  3. G-Whizz
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    Thanks Topmarx!

  4. FPL Virgin
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    Superb article as ever. The standards never slip.

    It must be a huge honour to have TM analyse your team and season in such detail.

    1. TopMarx
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      Thanks Virg, I'm glad people read them! It's also great to get comments from the top managers themselves; Peter, Numb, Gregor, Steve Poulsom and David Meechan have all posted their insights over the last two seasons. Kenneth Tang commented on the last article as have a number of others in the upper echelons of the Hall of Fame. Great to hear their thoughts.

    2. Geoff
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      Yeah, so well researched and measured

  5. FPL Virgin
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    Jay comes across as such a nice guy, but calling yourself the world’s #1 FPL player (even if you are) doesn't sit right with me.

    1. TopMarx
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      I mean he invites a lot of pressure on himself doing that. It's interesting his appearance on social media this year, I wonder why he decided to do it... Yes he definitely comes across as a nice guy but I wonder if he occasionally felt frustrated with some of the comments on social media, if he felt he needed to defend his moves. Impossible to know but would he have played with more freedom if he hadn't started his videos?

      1. FPL Virgin
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        This is a really interesting point.

        You should have a word with Triggerlips. He said something similar. Running a popular FPL website and having his team out in the public domain really influenced how he played the game. He avoided more adventurous transfers for fear of a public backlash. He said he much preferred playing the game in private.

          1. FPL Virgin
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            Yup.

    2. panda07
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      If you got to #1 you'd take out an ad in your local paper!

  6. Geoff
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    Such good research and insight. I definitely agree that neither approach is right or wrong and there's no doubt in my mind that this season was dominated by Salah. Switching around the heavy hitting forwards wasn't necessary because Salah was a nailed on captaincy pick basically all season

    I wonder if there's something in the patience vs. moving quickly thing. In the past I've tried to move quickly for the first few months, until the fixtures come quickly in December, by jumping on bandwagons and making transfers early in the GW. Then after Christmas I don't worry about TV, stay patient with players, and avoid hits.

    1. TopMarx
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      Thanks Geoff.

      That's interesting you've played that way in the past - moving quickly before December and then being more patient in the second half of the season. Thinking of arguments to support that idea, I wonder if it's as simple as we have more knowledge about teams and players in the second half of the season. This season we saw talisman players emerge from teams that ended up battling relegation - Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Zaha. Early on the league is settling down, motivations are different, perhaps it's better to jump on teams/players that are going on good runs...

      It's nice to make generalisations, but every decision is taken on gameweekly basis. As Numb/Matthew says above, he assessed the situation about Firmino and decided there were good reasons to keep him each week, same with the Leicester players in GW37 and 38. Ultimately it comes down to each FPL managers' own judgement.

      As with proverbs, there's always an opposite rule that is equally valid. Some example of proverb opposites are:

      "It’s better to be safe than sorry." vs "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."
      "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." vs "Out of sight, out of mind."
      "Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth." vs "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts."

      So in FPL we have "patience" vs "moving quickly" and perhaps "he won't keep up his form" vs "it's Salah!". I mean, the second one is obvious really - we don't have a proverb saying "Beware of Egyptians bearing gifts" do we?

      1. Geoff
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        Yeah I agree with that first bit. Also clean sheets become more predictable so I feel more comfortable spending on defence later in the season. You're right that those relegation battlers emerged, just as Richarlison emerged at the beginning. Most of the teams that could be relegation battlers have a good run at some point and early on all teams feel they need to have a good start to avoid being dragged into a battle late on in the season.

        My season fell apart because Salah was such a good captaincy option and I didn't follow that. I generally try to switch around the heavy hitting forward as captaincy but that, this year, was just a waste of my budget, my transfers, and my captaincy.

        Nice work on the proverbs 😀

  7. Get up ya bum
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    Damp squid 😆
    Show me a squid that's not damp and I'll show you tasty calamari

    1. TopMarx
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    2. TopMarx
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      that's meant to say - I must been hungry when I made that typo!

  8. Boy From School
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    7 years, 6 months ago

    Brilliant article. I really learned a lot from that. Thanks for posting.

    Also really interesting how you highlighted jays subconscious changes of strategy after posting the YouTube videos. A good examination of how people's behaviour changes when in the public eye (I've probably well over thought this!)

    1. TopMarx
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      Thank you, I definitely think he put himself under scrutiny, and I think it might have affected him.

      I was going to go further and write about how generally we presume that individuals’ responses to external events follow logically from their beliefs, when actually the reverse is often true. Often behaviour can change beliefs, as odd as that may sound it has been proven.

      Relating that to making decisions in FPL, we might have a belief - for instance focus on your expensive players - but sometimes we find ourselves in a situation where we don't stick to that rule. Maybe we need to get Milivojevic in all of a sudden. Then we would be need to adapt our belief/rule to accommodate a £5.0m penalty taking defensive midfielder.

      I think by putting himself out there on social media, he invited criticism and I wonder if that backed him into a corner a bit, forced him to defend his rule "focus on your expensive players", when perhaps if he wasn't on social media he wouldn't have felt the need to.

      I might be completely wrong, maybe it wouldn't have made any difference at all, but it's fun to speculate 🙂

      1. RedLightning
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        Some of the Scoutcasters, especially Joe last season and Mark, appear to adapt their play sometimes in the cause of providing public entertainment, so it may well have a similar effect on Jay.

      2. RedLightning
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        … Triggerlips seemed to find that maintaining a popular blog and discussing his plans in public didn't help his rank either.

        1. TopMarx
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          Very true.