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Player Value and the Most Efficient Use of the FPL Budget

The approach

I decided to look at player value and try to do some analysis on using the £100m in the most efficient way possible.

Now when we look at value, the players with the best points per million are almost always the budget picks, however a team full of the best value players won’t cost very much and won’t net you many points.

The approach I decided to take was to start with a base team of 11 of the highest scoring 4.0m goalkeepers, 4.0m defenders, 4.5m midfields and 4.5m forwards. I then looked for the best upgrade to that team that offered the best value (points per million). I continued with this approach until the team value was at £100m (presuming the cheapest possible bench) or until there were no more upgrades available without breaching that budget.

This, in theory, should give you the best value 11 players while using the whole budget available.

I created a simple script to run this process and automated it for all possible formations using the starting price for the players and their final points tally for the season.

Limitations of the approach

This approach effectively gives you the best ‘ghost ship’ team not accounting for autosubs.

It presumes the best way to play is to maximize your first 11 with as little spent as possible on the bench, which may or may not be true.

Captaincy is not factored into the approach, although the highest scoring player of the season does tend to make their way into the most efficient use of funds as we will see.

It also doesn’t cater for players who don’t play consistently throughout the season (through injury, rotation or simply being a January signing).

My aim with the approach was not to help identify the specific players to select, but to identify any themes in efficient use of funds giving a higher chance of selecting the right types and combinations of players during the season.

The results 2018-19

I initially ran the formula on data from the 2018/19 season with no team restrictions and the formation that came out highest was 4-5-1 with a total points tally of 2283 excluding captain:

GK: Alisson | 5.5m | 176
DEF: Andrew Robertson | 6m | 213
DEF: Virgil van Dijk | 6m | 208
DEF: Aymeric Laporte | 5.5m | 177
DEF: Trent Alexander-Arnold | 5m | 185
MID: Mohamed Salah | 13m | 259
MID: Sadio Mane | 9.5m | 231
MID: Raheem Sterling | 11m | 234
MID: Eden Hazard | 10.5m | 238
MID: Ryan Fraser | 5.5m | 181
FWD: Raul Jimenez | 5.5m | 181

Not far behind was 3-5-2 with 2274 with Wilson up front instead of Laporte in defence.

Obviously, those results are only of limited use due to the volume of Liverpool players. It does, however, highlight the dominance of Liverpool players in FPL value-for-money last season.

Running the process again but limiting it to three players from Liverpool turned out 3-5-2 with the best score of 2196:

GK: Ederson | 5.5m | 169
DEF: Andrew Robertson | 6m | 213
DEF Aymeric Laporte | 5.5m | 177
DEF: Trent Alexander-Arnold | 5m | 185
MID: Sadio Mane | 9.5m | 231
MID: Raheem Sterling | 11m | 234
MID: Eden Hazard | 10.5m | 238
MID: Ryan Fraser | 5.5m | 181
MID: Gylfi Sigurdsson | 7.5m | 182
FWD: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang | 11m | 205
FWD: Raul Jiminez | 5.5m | 181

Although Robertson, Alexander-Arnold and Mane came out as the optimal Liverpool players, there was very little in it. Swapping in Salah for Mane, having both Mane and Salah and dropping a defender, or even going for three at the back. All came within a few 10 points of each other.

Looking back to 2016-18

Rerunning the same process for 2017-18 gives a best result of 2136 for a 3-5-2 formation of:

GK: David De Gea | 5.5m | 172
DEF: Nicolas Otamendi | 5.5m | 156
DEF: Cesar Azpilicueta | 6.5m | 175
DEF: Marcos Alonso | 7m | 165
MID: Raheem Sterling | 8m | 229
MID: Mohamed Salah | 9m | 303
MID: Pascal Groß | 5.5m | 164
MID: Christian Eriksen | 9.5m | 199
MID: Kevin De Bruyne | 10m | 209
FWD: Roberto Firmino | 8.5m | 181
FWD: Jamie Vardy | 8.5m | 183

Going back further to the 2016-17 season gives us 4-5-1 with a score of 2095:

GK: Tom Heaton | 5m | 149
DEF: Marcos Alonso | 7m | 177
DEF: Cesar Azpilicueta | 6.5m | 170
DEF: Charlie Daniels | 5m | 134
DEF: Gary Cahill | 6.5m | 178
MID: Josh King | 6m | 178
MID: Alexis Sanchez | 11.5m | 264
MID: Christina Eriksen | 9m | 218
MID: Deli Alli | 9m | 225
MID: Gylfi Sigurdsson | 7.5m | 181
FWD: Romelu Lukaku | 10m | 221

Themes

The actual players that come out each year are perhaps not very surprising in retrospect – they are the players that did well that season. There are, however, some themes that emerge that are quite interesting to note.

Premium at the back

Every single result comes out with a premium defence. Only once do we see a defender at 5m and once a goalkeeper at 5m, all other iterations have 5.5m+ defenders as the most efficient use of funds.

Even with his monster haul of 157 for 4.5m in 2017/18, it was still worth upgrading Fabianski to De Gea for that season. That extra 1m wouldn’t have got you a better points boost spending it anywhere else on the field.

Similarly, Doherty and his 144 for 4.5m last season were not enough to get him near the best use of funds.

Overall, 0.5m spent upgrading at the back almost always nets you more points than spending it in midfield or attack. In the last three seasons, the best approach would have been to get the highest scoring defenders, no matter the cost.

Five at the back

Despite the value being in upgrading the defence, there are generally not enough high scoring premium defenders to make five at the back worthwhile. Last year 5-4-1 came close to competitive as a formation, but only if you were allowed four Liverpool defenders plus Salah and Mane (which of course, you weren’t).

Theoretically, if we had three teams with lots of clean sheets, all with attacking defenders that were fairly rotation-proof, it might work, but the last three seasons that hasn’t happened.

Formations

Formations tend to perform fairly consistently season-to-season, certainly for the last three anyway. To analyse the overall performance of each formation, I averaged the points difference for each formation when compared to the optimal formation each season:

3-5-2: 5 points
4-5-1: 14 points
4-4-2: 19 points
3-4-3: 31 points
5-4-1: 44 points
4-3-3: 51 points
5-3-2: 57 points
5-2-3: 105 points

So 3-5-2, being on average within 5 points of the optimum formation over the last three seasons, is the fairly clear winner here. Surprising for me is how close behind 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 are, and that they are ahead of the usually popular 3-4-3.

If we rank the formations in order of score for each season (1-8), and look at the standard deviation (distance to the average) for each, none is higher than 1.5, showing that there is very little fluctuation in which formation performs best: some formation are just always better than others.

3-4-3 actually has the highest variance of results, fluctuating between second best through to fifth best, showing that while it can sometime perform well, it hasn’t done so consistently.

Use 5-2-3 if you want to lose your mini-league, it ranks 8th out of 8 for each of the last three seasons.

Price bands

For those who base their team selection around price points, there does not seem to be an optimum setup that works every year. There are, however, some themes that run throughout all three analysed seasons.

More than three heavy hitters is a sub-optimum setup. There isn’t an instance of four heavy hitters working out for the best.

A price of 11m and above usually requires a score of ~220 points to justify the spend. In the past three seasons only Aubameyang squeezed into contention with 205 in the premium bracket, and that was only because too many Liverpool players did well so that you couldn’t have Salah and Mane with two defenders.

There is almost always at least one 5.5 – 6.5m candidate that comes good – getting that one right seems to be key to using your budget wisely. No matter what formation you roll in any season, the cheap overperforming attacker appears in every formation that season (Jimenez and Fraser last season, Gross in 2017-18 and Josh King in 2016-17).

Forwards are struggling

Forwards just don’t get much over 200 points, with 1 less point for a goal and no clean sheet points. It was a theme that came out last season, but the data backs it up. Mid-priced or cheap forwards are almost always the most efficient way to go.

Unless we can get a forward on fire this year, or the midfielders flop, its unlikely any will justify an 11m+ price tag.

Conclusion

The fact that the data bears out people’s recent experiences encourages me that there are some useful lessons to be learned from this way of analysing team setup.

Every season is different but there does seem to be some common ground, at least in recent seasons, that can inform decision our making.

My plan, pre-price releases, is to go for 3-5-2 with premium options across the entire back four and mid-to-cheap up front.

124 Comments Post a Comment
  1. skooldaze
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Amazing!

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks

      1. MikeBravo
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Really great articles Hedge, making a difference to my season so far. Cheers. Makes a lot of the chatter on FFS sound rather reactionary and panicky...
        Best articles of the year so far.

  2. Jambot
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    I’ve taken some abuse from mates the last two seasons because I argued 3-5-2 was by better than 3-4-3. Great to have some data to back it up.

    Good read, thanks for taking the time to put it together!

    1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I played 3 5 2 two seasons ago but it did not go nearly as well as 3 4 3 the year before. Last year i played 5 4 1 but was equally frustrated. The reason i changed from 3 4 3 was because i spotted that midfielders and defenders were better value.
      However the formations did not allow me the flexibility to move between players that 3 4 3 did. The key line in this excellent article is "This approach effectively gives you the best ‘ghost ship’ team not accounting for autosubs." This means that you play without transfers and dont need flexibility. Therin lies the rub. Defenders and mids offer value but the right formation offers flexibility. The top players applied value to formation by going 3 4 3 and cheap up top.

    2. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      No worries, thanks for the feedback

  3. BlackSwan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Weirdly enough, I’ve been doing something very similar last year and this year with very similar conclusions (and very specifically that premium defenders are the best value but there aren’t enough high performing ones to fill out a back five for a whole season and that premium forwards aren’t worth it). Did you look at last year’s points with this year’s prices just for interest’s sake (with all the obvious caveats)?

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yep, I submitted this before the new prices but plan to write up a new one with the new prices

  4. OnlyMessiCanJudgeMe
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Going for a set and forget defence from the get go, until another viable option becomes available. Plan to dip into the 6.5 forwards pool Jota, Wood ect.

    Pope,

    Robbo, VVD, Digne, Coleman
    Siggy, Salah, Sterling, Lucas
    King, Deeney

    Ryan, Kelly, Dendoncker, Wickahm

  5. Jeejloow
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Would be interesting to see the result if you run it based on this year's prices. Most midfielders and forwards in that overview increased tremendously in price compared to last season. Defenders also, but in comparison not so much.

    Moreover, there was some exceptional value in the mid and front line with the likes of Fraser, Jimenez, Wilson, etc. While I reckon each year such players will emerge at some point, it's difficult to predict who will be the break-away players. So I wonder whether a 4-5-1, while maybe less optimal than a 3-5-2 based on hindsight (i.e. you get to pick the best 3-5-2 based on historical results and compare it to other formations), might be a safer approach as from the outset, assuming premium defenders' return in that price bracket is more predictable (although less likely to yield extraordinary returns).

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Planning to write something up soon

  6. Smurf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Great article. Really interesting read.

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers

  7. mixology
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Fantastic, thanks! Almost didn’t even see the article on the homepage unfortunately - which is a shame because the community posts some amazing write-ups

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks, glad you found it and found it useful!

  8. SteJ
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Great analysis with interesting conclusions. My only complaint would be that it is all retrospective.
    Are you able to look at the optimal team with 2018/19 prices based off 2017/18 points and compare it to the optimal team based on 2018/19 to see how good of a prediction would have been made using this approach?

    1. A Fat Spanish Waiter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I’ve been doing some optimization using a linear optimizer on the RMT data (so its forward looking). I’ll be careful to not post specific scores or players/data, but the the results were quite different (but sensitive to assumptions).

      For my work, I assumed that one would have three bench fodder players. DEF fodder is 4.0, MID fodder is 4.5 and FWD fodder is 5.0. I assumed 9.0 for two goalkeepers.

      The optimal formations came back as (in order of best to worst): 433, 532, 523, 343, 442, 352, 451, 541. I’d note there isn’t much difference between 433 and 442 (only 6 points with the optimal squad), but there was a larger difference for the rest.

      I’m not really sure how to explain the difference other than its respective vs. prospective. However, there is one common theme: ALL of the formations have premium defenders, ALL have a few premium midfielders, and MOST have lower priced forwards.

      1. SteJ
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Without any scientific backing I nearly always pick a team with most of the money spent on premium defenders and mids.
        Then pre season happens and someone like city score heavily on someone (like in the community shield) and I knee jerk change to forwards.
        I'm trying to not do that this year 🙂

    2. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Planning to do that. Wrote this pre launch

  9. LangerznMash
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    So if I'm reading the article correct, the optimally efficient strategy is something like:

    Premium - Bench
    Premium - Premium - Premium - Bench - Bench
    Premium (C) - Premium - Premium - Midrange - Budget
    Midrange - Midrange - Bench

    1. DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I still think you have to be wary of a Kane/Aguero/Auba getting a massive haul when a lot of people will captain. Could lose a lot of ground...

      1. Pep Pig
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        That's exactly it mate. It's a great read but luckily we're all different. I agree about the premium striker option. Whilst 2 budget friendly strikers could be the way to go for parts of the season, I definitely think starting with a premium striker could catch a lot of people out. If Kane, Auba or Aguero start the season with goals, teams will be ripped up and WCs all over the place.
        This season I want to relax with my WC and bide my time for as long as possible. Selecting players who I don't just think will perform in the first couple of games. I saw a post earlier and his example was he blew his WC early whilst being level with his ML rival. The latter kept his till December and was able to jump on the in form players such as Pogba, Rashford and Son and they finished 50k places apart.

        I've always used my WC early, which has always meant I've felt pressure to use the 2nd one in early January.

        What I'm getting it after my ramble is one premium striker will give us that flexibility of change. They are world class players who are all capable of starting the season with a purple patch. The key is being flexible and jumping ship at the right time. Hopefully I can do that this season 😀

        1. GREEN IS GOOD
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I don't get your logic.

          If you get a premium forward, you could just as easily miss out on the hauls of a premium midfielder.

          1. Pep Pig
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            That's fine mate. I'd have a premium midfielder. It's just a case of being flexible enough to bring in a premium forward who was in form. In my case, if I had Auba, yet Kane was firing then it's an easier switch. I appreciate you can't have them all.

            1. SADIO SANÉ
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              I don't think it's a bad tactic or anything, mainly because I always do this - but to be honest it's more likely that you'll end up switching between Auba and Kane and missing hauls in the process, rather than just keeping Sterling or whoever for the long haul - that was my experience of Auba (and Sterling v Hazard) last year anyway

              1. SADIO SANÉ
                • 8 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                'more likely' isn't correct but you know what I mean hopefully

                1. Pep Pig
                  • 7 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  It's a fair assumption pal. The term hokey-cokey isn't my favourite but 007's use of it last season was very successful. Putting in the striker who "I think" will score the most in a GW is a tactic I'll be happy with having a bash at. Even if it means Kane > Vardy for a week with money in the bank for example

              2. Pep Pig
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                I guess it works both ways then pal? I just feel more comfortable with a premium striker. The template of two 6.5 forwards is setting and I don't think I will start that way. Not to say I won't switch if it seems that's the way it plays out. Guess I'm trying to be a bit more open minded but it can all change (many times) in the next 31 days 😀

          2. SADIO SANÉ
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            I feel like this needs repeating..

            If you go Perez and Aguero instead of Deulofeu and Sterling then what happens when Sterling goes mental and Aguero doesn't do anything? it's still 2 FTs away, unless you have no problem losing Salah (who could also be outscoring Aguero)

            1. timPgoodwin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              The solution then is to have 2 x Premium in Midfield and a premium Striker, gives you the flexibility whatever happens, also builds in the possibility that KdB (or other 8-9.5 mid) fires and Sterling doesn't, allows you to drop down with funds to spare.

              1. Pep Pig
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                It would be nice but having Sterling, Salah and Kane hampers the option of having 4 solid defenders such as VVD, Laporte, Digne and TAA for example.

                At the moment I have that back 4, Sterling and Salah with Vardy and King up top. I am trying to work out a way to start with Kane 🙁

                1. timPgoodwin
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  I literally have the same, I have VvD, Stones, Digne and TAA at the back. Sterling and Salah with Vardy and King. I feel OK with that as Vardy doesn't put me a million miles from an 11m striker, effectively the difference in Vardy and Kane is similar to the difference in Sterling to KdB. I am thinking those could be the moves with 2FT's if Kane/Auba just hit the ground running and I need one of them in.

                  1. Pep Pig
                    • 7 Years
                    4 years, 9 months ago

                    Exactly mate. As tempting as KDB looks, I feel Sterling/Aguero are a must so I went with Sterling. It could well be that I sacrifice TAA and shave the 2m there but I'll leave that down to preseason and how teams shape up

              2. SADIO SANÉ
                • 8 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                yeah Kane, Salah and Sterling is obviously solid, but that's not really got anything to do with flexibility

                1. Pep Pig
                  • 7 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  How so? The flexibility is in my premium forward options.

                  1. SADIO SANÉ
                    • 8 Years
                    4 years, 9 months ago

                    just saying, that trio is good because it's good, not because it's flexible - what if Auba and Kane both score hat-tricks GW1?

                    1. Pep Pig
                      • 7 Years
                      4 years, 9 months ago

                      Haha. Then I'd be happy as I owned Kane 😀

                    2. timPgoodwin
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      4 years, 9 months ago

                      Then you will be happy you have Kane ... Surely?

                      1. SADIO SANÉ
                        • 8 Years
                        4 years, 9 months ago

                        eurgh, not if you have Sterling who blanks (the player you have instead of Auba) - I mean, I think it's pretty obvious what I'm saying

                      2. Pep Pig
                        • 7 Years
                        4 years, 9 months ago

                        It goes back to the saying "you can't have them all". It's not an argument at all Sadio Sane. It's just a route I'm comfortable to go down from the off.

                      3. SADIO SANÉ
                        • 8 Years
                        4 years, 9 months ago

                        yeah that's fair, I may well start with all 3 of the above or maybe even just 1, we'll see

                      4. Pep Pig
                        • 7 Years
                        4 years, 9 months ago

                        Good luck matey

                      5. timPgoodwin
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        4 years, 9 months ago

                        But who is going to own both? And for those that do they then won't have Salah (presuming they own Sterling) so it's swings and roundabout. Plus the defence must look like dog-sh*t.

            2. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Well following the article I've rigged up a 4-5-1 but it looks highly inflexible.

              Pickford (Button)
              TAA, VVD, Laporte, Zinky (Dunk)
              Salah, Sterling, Zaha, Maddy, Perez
              King (Greenwood, Wickham)

              1. timPgoodwin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Swap Perez for Tielmans, he's just dropped at 6.5 ... Doesn't help with flexibility though I know. I think with that team you'd need to downgrade Pickford to upgrade Greenwood/Wickham to a playing 5.5 (McGoldrick?)

  10. pingissimus
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Interesting read.

    I’m curious about whether the data would still stack up if last season ended after GW19.

    Kane went lame shortly after and Auba lost game time. At that point they were matching Sterling who is now much worse value than before and a cool million more than them.

    Assuming at least two premiums then the value ones are up top in my book.

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I did a bit of playing around and forwards need 220+ to make the cut, but last season even that probably wouldn't have been enough with Salah and Sterling scoring so highly

  11. T-b0n3
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Great read, thanks.

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers

  12. Thug
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    This is really interesting. thanks.

    Has anyone analysed where the biggest price rises / falls occur early season:
    by position / price / team ?

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks

  13. GREEN IS GOOD
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Good article, thanks!

    V useful information.

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks for the feedback

  14. Swanremainsthesame
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Excellent, thanks, kind of spanks the old favourite of a 4.5m bench mid.
    4.5 bench forward incoming.

    3-5-2 / 4-4-2 possibility there of a 4.5 def and a cheapish mid rotating on fixtures ?

    One point I would discuss further is the premium forward & use of TF. They definitely have purple patches, need swap in/out, almost never set & forget. With no premium its always 2 TF to bring in someone on fire. Ibramovich / Aguero were must haves a couple of seasons back early doors, but later not so much then Aguero came back - and if you didn't have them (C) at the right times you got killed.

    Defence is more problematic as Clean sheets are near impossible to predict, and restructuring the defence to match any swings I have found much harder - nearly always ended up using the TF in mid/fwd and accepting an under performing defence - but is this maybe a bad thing & we SHOULD be using TF on the defence?

    So I am now thinking to start with -:
    5.5+ Bench
    6+ 6+ 5.5+ 4.5 or Bench Bench
    10+ 9+ 7.5+ 7+ 6+
    10+ 6.5+ Bench

    Example -:
    Pickford,Steck
    Laporte, Gomez, Boly, Balbuena, 4.0
    Mane, KdB, Fraser, Anderson, Brooks
    Auba, Jota, 4.5

    (other brands are available)

  15. TMF86
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) Sigurdsson/Perez
    B) Maddison/Fraser

  16. Longiss
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A for me

  17. Markus
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    This is a great article thanks!

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers

  18. Captain Remorse
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    This is a very interesting analysis but the Final Conclusion seems at odds with the tactics of last season's winner, who Captained Aguero 75% of the time.

    Quote: "Forwards just don’t get much over 200 points, with 1 less point for a goal and no clean sheet points. It was a theme that came out last season, but the data backs it up. Mid-priced or cheap forwards are almost always the most efficient way to go. Unless we can get a forward on fire this year, or the midfielders flop, its unlikely any will justify an 11m+ price tag".

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He'd have won by more if he'd captained Salah every week 🙂

      Ultimately, winning the whole thing comes down to a lot more than stats and trends. This is about giving some hints to increase your chances of placing highly, it doesn't guarantee you can pick the best players, make the best transfers at the right time etc.

  19. KickIt
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Nice article thanks!!

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers

  20. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    No one sticks to one formation for 38 weeks though. Part of the fun is doing transfers and hitting purple spots with certain players eg Kane/Auba/Bobby F etc.

    1. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      “... No one sticks to one formation for 38 weeks though ...”. +1. An interesting read though.

    2. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Agreed, not meant to be a blueprint for playing the game, just some analysis to give hints and direction to decisions

  21. Ronnies
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Made a few changes...

    Ryan
    TAA - Robbo - Laporte - Digne
    Salah - Sterling - Siggy - Tielemans
    King - Deulofeu

    Button - Dendoncker - Kelly - Nketiah

    Pros - Decent first 11
    Cons - weak bench and very little flexibility with formation

    Any thoughts guys ?
    Thanks.

  22. All de Gea no iDier
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Fantastic article and plenty of food for thought.

    Going with at least two premium players, i.e. PPM of 6+ is going to give flexibility for captain points, but how many of us lose out by swapping to the wrong one on the day? Sticking with one gives surety with no gamble.

    The other thing is that taking value as cost against PPM gives a higher value to premium defenders than midfielders or forwards. I am surprised that five premium at the back doesn't work out as the best option. With the swing towards wing backs and attacking central defenders in many teams I can see forwards being outscored by defenders more and more.

    Great article and the comments for once are not spoiled by the dreaded RMT / A or B brigade.

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      In terms of defence, I do agree. I think you have to be cautious as last season was unprecedented. Never have the top 2 teams been so superior to the rest. Never has a team emulated Liverpool in having such a superior defence. Now we can assume last season was an anomaly and this year will revert to form and the gap will be much narrower, but neither I nor do I think most people are going to make that assumption.
      Therefore, we can gamble that Liverpool, in particular, offer massive value with their GK and 3 of their defenders. This raises the next problem with the analysis - the initial figures omit the restriction on 3 players from one club. If you want Salah or Mane, you can only have 2 of those defenders.
      The decision, therefore, really boils down to 2xLIV defenders plus 1, 2, or 3 Premiums for the rest of your defence.
      City also kept over 50% clean sheets, so 1 or 2 of their GK/Def should be a shoe-in.

    2. Markus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      The reason why not 5atb not best retrospectively is that most seasons there are only 3 or 4 defenders that break 170 points but at least one or 2 midfielders/forwards under 7m so they become better prospects for maximising points. The trend with attacking full backs has also coincided with rotating them more than cbs. This season is no different currently for 170+ defenders, 2x Liverpool + any nailed City defender who can score a few extra attacking points (probably only Laporte). Anyone else is very much on the maybe list, with only another city defender becoming nailed, Chelsea being tight under lampard or Digne and everton over-performing really having much chance of doing it I'd say, all of which could not happen.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Right, so the way I've set up my squad after taking cognizance of the article, I've got a 3-5-2/4-5-1 system with the City keeper, 2xLIV defence, Laporte, and I can afford Coleman to challenge a second 6.5 striker for the 11th spot after setting up a decent 5-man midfield.

  23. RichRover
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    What are peoples opinions on Chelsea clean sheets this year? Any improvement expected?

    1. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I'd be happy if it's the same as last seasons...around 15-16

    2. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Did you read the latest article here? It's all there.

      1. RichRover
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks A S, just saw it. Been traveling a lot and rubbish internet. Thanks again

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Fair enough. In essence, he was a bit reckless with his Derby defence. Attacking wingbacks (is that a return to old Alonso?) and a high line left gaps down the centre. It might be fine if Kante can plug the hole, but at the moment we really need to see.

    3. Markus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      xCS would have them doing better than they did last year, but I'm wary of a more attacking lampard. I anticipate them and spurs to be the best of the rest after top 2...13-16 clean sheets for me

      1. RichRover
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thank you

  24. RichRover
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Currently have Pickford, but wondering if Kepa could be a goer this year?

  25. lilmessipran
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Any opinions on this draft

    Ryan (button)
    TAA VVD Coleman Taylor (El Mohammedy)
    Salah Sterling KDB Fraser (Dendoncker)
    King Deulofeu (Jansen)

    Gambling with double Bou attack, I think with those fixtures they can come out flying like last year

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Those last spots worry me. You could be right re BOU but I don't place any faith in their defence. You could get a stronger 4th/5th Def by downgrading Fraser or Kdb - to a Bilva, Maddy, Tielemans or Perez - or even Brooks.

  26. Respect My Authoritah
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Fantastic article, probably one of the best I've ever read on here. Clearly explains the limitations and makes some valid conclusions. Top work!

    1. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      agree, this is really good

      1. Hedge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks both

  27. meerlight
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    The fact that you aren't looking at rotations means that your model is biased to more premium players, since they score more points overall, but 2 4.5 defenders in rotation can score more than a premium defender. So, I think the model is seriously flawed.

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      To have 2 successful rotating defenders, both teams have to be playing well and keeping sufficient clean sheets. That's a gamble. A premium defender who nabbed 50% clean sheets last season is far less of a gamble.

    2. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I did look at rotating 4.5 defenders a little. Might address that in the follow-up article

      1. meerlight
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        If be good to hear what you think.

  28. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    This is one of the best articles I've ever read on here.

  29. diddyg
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    RMT:

    Lloris
    TAA, Laporte, Robertson
    Salah, Tielemans, Moura, Brooks, Sterling
    King, Ings

  30. mfcphil
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

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    £10 a team league open to all - All cash paid out in prizes

    1. mfcphil
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      head to head league