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24 July 2019 996 comments
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Fantasy Premier League managers may want to wait to see how Sébastien Haller (£7.5m) settles in at West Ham before flocking to sign him.

There is certainly promise about the striker but as a newcomer to the English game, he might take some time to adapt.

The Hammers broke their transfer record to sign him from Eintracht Frankfurt for a fee believed to be in the region of £45m.

Haller, 25, had been with Eintracht since 2017, where he played a starring role for Adi Hütter’s side as they finished seventh in the Bundesliga to qualify for Europa League football in the upcoming 2019/20 campaign.

The Frenchman, who has been capped 20 times by his country’s Under-21 side, arrives in East London amidst considerable anticipation with the Hammers’ fanbase eager to see a clinical, goalscoring forward make their mark in Manuel Pellegrini’s second season in charge.

After scoring 15 goals and registering nine assists in 29 league matches in his final season with Eintracht, Haller arrives in the Premier League with a fearsome reputation that has played a considerable part in the £45m fee that he has reportedly commanded.

Yet it is the 25-year-old’s price in FPL (£7.5m) that has got managers talking, as Haller’s credentials as a mid-priced forward come under considerable scrutiny despite his impressive final season in the Bundesliga.

The starting striker berth has remained one of complication and inconsistency for owners David Sullivan and David Gold for at least the last five years for the Hammers, with marquee striker signings either failing to fulfil their promise and potential, spending an extended spell on the treatment table or even most recently having their heads turned with lucrative, eye-catching offers from the Chinese Super League in the East.

But for Haller, the time to prove his worth in the Premier League has arrived in 2019/20, as the Hammers bid to finish in the top-ten and re-assert their relevance as outsiders for European qualification.

Upon signing for the club, Haller spoke of his pride at becoming the Hammer’s record signing:

“It means a lot (to be the record signing). It proves that the club [has] really wanted me for a long time. I felt this desire to sign me and I’m really happy to sign, also. it is an ambitious club, a nice club, a nice city and nice fans too. For me, I can guarantee that I will give 100% for the club because the club has given me this confidence and I will try to give it back every day in every game. I will always give 100% and respect the club. I think this is a normal thing and that I can guarantee. I know it’s a big transfer and there is a lot of expectation around me, and I just want to make people proud of this transfer and I will give everything I have.” – Sébastien Haller

West Ham’s director of football Mario Husillos also spoke positively after confirming the arrival of Haller:

“We are very pleased to welcome Sébastien and his family to West Ham United. It is no secret that we have been in the process of identifying a top class striker to add to the squad this summer, and much work has gone on behind the scenes to ensure that we were in a position to act once the right opportunity became available. Sébastien is a player we have been watching closely for some time – he has always been a key target and someone who myself, Manuel Pellegrini and David Sullivan were very keen to bring to the football club. He is a player with excellent pedigree and experience in three of Europe’s top leagues. His record at Eintracht Frankfurt in recent seasons has been up there with the top strikers in the Bundesliga, and we believe that his physical and technical qualities will be well suited to the Premier League.”

The History and Statistics

Haller enjoyed a great season with Frankfurt in 2018/19

The rise of Haller over the last three seasons has been nothing short of meteoric, with the Frenchman catapulting his career trajectory into new, unchartered territory for a player with just two seasons of football in Europe’s top five leagues.

Having commenced his youth career in the lower leagues of French football with F.C.O. Vigneux and Brétigny Foot, Haller joined Auxerre in 2007 as a 13-year-old with a dream. For five years, the Frenchman battled through the youth ranks with the club who would eventually give him his professional debut just five years later.

Haller made his first senior appearances for Auxerre’s reserves, where he excelled and scored 29 goals in 57 appearances across two seasons, whilst also appearing for the first-team across a three year period where he struggled to replicate his initial goalscoring consistency – scoring six times in 50 appearances for the club.

A loan spell to FT Utrecht followed after falling out of favour with his boyhood club, yet whilst the striker may have felt feelings of devastation at the club’s decision to loan him out, it would ultimately prove to be the catalyst for his career’s upward ascent as he shone for Utrecht, scoring 11 goals in 17 appearances and winning the club’s Player of the Year award.

Utrecht were eager to tie Haller down on extended terms in the Eredivise, and secured his signature for a fee believed to be less than £1m in the summer of 2015. Whilst the club’s hierarchy would have been delighted at securing such a promising prospect for such a low fee, no-one, perhaps including Haller himself, could’ve foreseen the impact he would make across the next two seasons in the Dutch top-flight.

In his first two full seasons after permanently signing for the club, Haller scored 34 goals and registered 10 assists in 73 appearances for Utrecht, as the Ereverdise outfit’s faith was rewarded to an extreme extent after an outlay that is believed to have been in the region of £675,000.

A French Under-21 international posting such promising goalscoring figures will inevitably attract interest from Europe’s bigger clubs, and Haller’s profile as a 21-year-old combative target-man with a proven track-record was of serious interest to Eintracht Frankfurt, who signed the Frenchman for a fee of £6.3m.

It was with Frankfurt where Haller’s career reached new heights and the striker’s reputation extended its glistening appearance to the Premier League, after 24 goals across two seasons alerted West Ham United to a player that unquestionably represents a gamble at a fee of £45m, but who could excel for the Hammers with the improved service that the likes of Felipe Anderson (£7.0m) and perhaps new-signing Pablo Fornals (£6.5m) might provide.

The 2019/20 campaign is yet another step up for Haller, with a weight of expectation and scrutiny that the 25-year-old is likely to have never faced in his career to date. But if West Ham’s club-record signing can deliver on the promise and potential that has surrounded his arrival at the London Stadium, then Pellegrini could have acquired a striker with the calibre that the Hammers have yearned for in their attempts to establish the club in the top-ten of the Premier League.

Comparisons


Minutes per shot Minutes per shot in the box Minutes per shot on target Minutes per key pass
Haller40.454.583.957.4
Chicharito37.955.687.8151.7
Anderson52.7109.1122.247
Antonio32.3 52.583.9691.3
Arnautovic 32.248.862.4 55.5
Fornals4080.1116.851.9

The Prospects

Haller in action for Eintracht Frankfurt against Chelsea

West Ham United’s struggles in the striker’s department have been well documented over the last five seasons, but there is an understandable sense of optimism that Haller could be the man to break this duck in securing a consistent, goalscoring forward to lead the Hammers’ frontline.

The departure of Marko Arnautovic to Shanghai SIPG has opened up a starting berth in the West Ham XI, and Haller’s underlying statistics suggest he could have the potential to excel for Pellegrini’s side in his debut Premier League campaign.

Haller certainly ranks favourable for minutes per shot in the box compared to our selection of West Ham players in 2018/19. Registering one there every 54.5 minutes put him above many of his new colleagues, including Chicharito, Anderson and Fornals. The same goes for his 83.9 minutes per shot on target.

However, it is worth pointing out that Haller did come off as the worse of the two when compared with Arnautovic. The Austrian recorded better minutes per shot, minutes per shot in the box and minutes per shot on target last season, as well as superior minutes per chance created figure.

That could certainly indicate that Haller may, at first, struggle to quite match the Fantasy potential of his predecessor when fit, especially when we consider the extra £0.5m FPL have asked us to pay.

Furthermore, the usual caveat applies that these figures were recorded in the Bundesliga, and not the Premier League, yet the German top-flight’s quality, as well as experience in European competition, should provide Fantasy managers with a sense of assurance over Haller’s abilities as a forward for 2019/20.

Yet for all the hype that has surrounded the 25-year-old’s arrival in the Premier League, his FPL price of £7.5m could make the Frenchman a potentially difficult option for selection before the season has even started.

Level in price with last season’s star performer Raúl Jiménez (£7.5m) and just 0.5m below Callum Wilson (£8.0m), Haller is up against some of FPL’s top performers and a number of Fantasy favourites for managers with regards to forwards outside of the heavy hitters such as Sergio Aguero (£12.0m), Harry Kane (£11.0m) and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (£11.0m).

The obvious comparison that has been made with Haller is Jimenez given their identical £7.5m pricing, with the Mexican entering his second season with Wolves whilst Haller will be making his Premier League debut.

After scoring 13 goals and registering seven assists in 2018/19, Jimenez attained cult hero status in the Fantasy Premier League community, offering exceptional value and often earning points against some of the Premier League’s elite.

Therefore, owing to the direct price comparison, for those managers opting for a price structure that incorporates a £7.0m to £8.0m forward, the Jimenez vs Haller debate will be central to determining which striker, if either, warrants inclusion in your squad for the opening Gameweeks of 2019/20.

In directly comparing the two £7.5m priced forwards for 2019/20, the stats present an interesting picture that is worthy of deeper analysis. Jiménez ranks top for minutes per shot as well as minutes per shot in the box, but it is Haller who emerges the strongest of the two for minutes per shot on target and minutes per key pass.

Haller is certainly a more conservative shot-taker, having attempted 54 shots in his final Bundesliga campaign – a number that is dwarfed by Jimenez and his 111 shots, over double, in the Mexican’s debut Premier League season.

It becomes evident that Haller is taking a lot fewer shots than Jimenez which is a decisive factor in assessing the merits of these two forwards, but the Frenchman appears to more clinical as well as regularly providing more key passes for his teammates than the Wolves striker.

The debate of Jimenez vs Haller might take shape in the opening Gameweeks of 2019/20, but with the Mexican’s superior underlying stats as well as the fact he already has a season of Premier League football under his belt, it could be fair to say Haller is potentially overpriced at £7.5m ahead of his debut campaign in the English top-flight.

A particularly positive aspect of selecting Haller in your squad for 2019/20 will be an almost assured starting spot – the club have not shelled out £45m for a player to warm the bench – and this does give the selection of Haller an added element of assurance in your team.

The likes of Anderson and Fornals are also likely to provide increased goalscoring opportunities for the 6’3 forward, who had an aerial success rate of 59% in 2018/19 and scored four times from corners in his final season in the Bundesliga.

West Ham’s fixtures also present a dilemma for Fantasy managers. After facing Champions Manchester City on the opening day, the Hammers travel to Brighton and Watford before hosting Norwich in their first four fixtures. Games against Brighton, Watford and Norwich could prove appealing to Fantasy managers, but it would be difficult to justify selecting Haller for GW1 with the visit of City to the London Stadium.

The true viability of Haller as an asset in your squad for 2019/20 will become a far more informed debate when the Frenchman has got some minutes under his belt and his adaptability to the Premier League becomes clearer.

Yet for now, at a price of £7.5m and with such competitive counterparts in the same price bracket, the inclusion of Haller from the outset is a difficult one to justify for fantasy managers ahead of the 2019/20 campaign.

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  1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone on here playing fanteam?

  2. Pukki Party
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    A) De Bruyne & King
    B) Siggy & Wilson

    1. Johnny 8
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

    2. Jayv807
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Tough, I'd go B to start with

    3. Stadium of Dark
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

    4. Pukki Party
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Cheers all.

    5. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

    6. Sune
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      • 10 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B)

    7. A19
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      A

  3. Holmes
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Haller time...

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Will he be a hauler?

  4. Respect My Authoritah
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Lost on last article...

    Last season's PPG is a pretty basic, but generally a fair way to compare certain players.

    Examples:

    Wilson (5.6) v Fraser (4.8) - Wilson looks worth the extra 0.5.

    Pogba (5.1) stands out - despite having long periods of bad form, still maintained the same PPG as Son, beating Siggy (4.8).

    Tielemans (4.8) also stands out given his price. Perhaps he over-performed a little, but he's quite far ahead of other 6.5 mids and forwards.

    1. The_Fish
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Past performance doesn't guarantee future success but some nice numbers there.

  5. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
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    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Repost from last article:

    Some nice points from Emery:
    1. There is no intention to sell Auba to fund some other player. Also Emery said that he could play various rules in attack.
    Dont know what we can take from it but maybe rotation between him and Laca is still on the board.
    2. He want to play this year more 4 at the back with Kola and AMN (until bellerin come back). He praised the progress of, Kola, AMN, Jenkinson in this formation.

    For full reading:
    https://www.arsenal.com/news/emery-auba-laca-ceballos-and-koscielny?fbclid=IwAR1vF2sc30vdUtMK7NFQgtKl_fe7rPjSyYakJnWUPCyev9RL8PgT9dj_ilg

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      This is all bad news for FPL 🙁

      1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
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        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Why do you think?
        Firstly i thought its good news for Kola naildness, but maybe its bad news for his attacking role. What do you think?

    2. Markus
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      How come no AMN gametime vs real? Would have been a decent differential option with bellerin out but feels too unpredictable with minutes..

      1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I dont know. Maybe Emery tries build Jenkinson confidence. But if you read I think its quite clear that AMN is first chioce until bellerin come back.

      2. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
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        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Wont you go with Kola instead of AMN? I think he has much more attacking threat.

        1. Markus
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I mean it's quite unlikely I'll go with either due to clean sheets but 5m is a fairer price eg for first sub/rotate with spurs. Given you can get Coleman at 5.5m it's hard to look elsewhere...

          1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
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            • 8 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            I agree with this. The lack of CS is a concern.

      3. lugs
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        he was on the team sheet before the match, but got replaced by Jenkinson, i don't know if there was a mistake in the team sheet or if he picked up an injury or got ill before the match, i suspect it was the latter though

  6. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Best way to find 0.5?
    A) TAA to VVD
    B) Robbo to VVD
    C) Laporte to Walker

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      C

      1. Emiliano Sala
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks

    2. Jayv807
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      C

    3. Stadium of Dark
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Would go B, but it is close between all 3 options imo

    4. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

    5. No Professionals
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

    6. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      • 16 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      A). If you are playing Salah, this is the way to go.

    7. A19
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      C

    8. Wild Card this!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      C,B,A in that order.

    9. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Thanks all

    10. Milos1976
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      C

  7. Jayv807
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Hello all, 

    Repost as bottomed on last article.

    I know 4 at the back is in style, but I'm thinking of going with the below 3-4-3.

    Pope (Button)
    TAA, Coleman, Smith, (Balbuena, Kelly)
    Salah, Siggy, Pereya, Tielmans,(Dendonker)
    Kane, Auba, King

    If all goes to plan I'd stick with this for GW1 and 2 and then use 2FT to swap out Auba for Sterling or Kun. 

    Any opinions or suggestions welcome!!

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Quite like it.

      The 4.5 defender pair look ok to start the season, but probably will need work down the linr

      1. Jayv807
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Ya, hopefully good enough to rotate a few weeks and I'll reassess. I usually wind up using my WC early anyway.

        Thanks for the reply.

        1. tricpic
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          You can’t swap Auba for Sterling. Apart from that it’s a decent traditional formation team - probably what we all would have gone with a few years ago. I honestly don’t know whether the four (or five) at the back is a passing fad, or a necessity this year due to high prices of leading mids/forwards.

          1. Jayv807
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            I would use the 2FTs to downgrade Auba and to fund a mid upgrade to Sterling. Thanks for the reply, 4 at the back could work out great, but I don't think I'll do it.

    2. Stadium of Dark
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Looks decent. Not so keen on the Smith/Balbuena rotation as in previous seasons I've found it close to impossible to predict when West Ham and Bournemouth will actually keep their clean sheets.

      Think Ake at 5.0 + a 4.0 would be better, considering Ake is a threat from corners and Bournemouth have a good run early

      1. Jayv807
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I prefer to gamble on the rotation, but I agree Ake is a good shout. Wish I could find the 0.5 somewhere else!!

    3. dbeck
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      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Really like this team, if Man City beat West Ham 4-0 in gw 1, which are capable of, it will hurt

      I don’t have the balls but best of luck

      1. Jayv807
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks, banking on most not capping a city player in the first two, which would limit the damage!!!

        1. dbeck
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          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          It could pay off, West Ham did well vs Man City last year and spurs is a harder game. Gives you 2ft to get a city player in as the next game is Bournemouth who are very leaky

          1. Jayv807
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Spot on as that is the plan, as i couldnt bear having no city when they play BOU!!! Hopefully it works out. Thanks for the reply!!

    4. Moderately content penguin
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Been on something similar for a while now with Kane Auba plan.

      My variant gets in Fraser for 1 and 2 who I think is preferable to Siggy for a two week run. Siggy blanks a lot.

      Think King is a poor pick unless you plan to stick for pens to come.

      My current compromise is Moutinho. Very creative, on dead balls and good assist record with improved cs possible. May go McGinn if I fancy a punt.

      Don’t mind your 4.5 at the back at all. Have had something similar in other drafts.

      1. Jayv807
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks mate, Fraser a good shout, but I think King at 6.5m is decent value.

    5. Maddamotha
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      No City? Its a no from me.

      1. Jayv807
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        No worries. Good luck !

  8. Baltic Revolution
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Walker or Zinchenko? Keep hearing mixed things about Zinchenko being nailed first few gameweeks...?

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Zin should be fine for a few GWs at the start of the season.

    2. Jayv807
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      There is no nailed with Pep, but I think Zinchenko is a decent shout to start the first few games.

    3. Moderately content penguin
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      He seems likely to get the spot first up. But he’s only really good for cs and those games aren’t great for cs. City do concede too!!

      Rethinking him here.

    4. FPL_352
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I can't really see Danilo taking much of Walker's game time. Ederson same price though and guaranteed obviously.

  9. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    A doucoure and Wesley
    B mcginn and king

    Thank you 🙂

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Two very exciting choices I know 🙂

    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks

    3. Jayv807
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B, only because I prefer king over doucoure, I don't know much about the other 2.

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks a lot !

    4. Chilli Heatwave
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      B. Wesley looks good but more of a hold up up play striker who will get a lot of assists and maybe 10 or so goals imo

  10. Hesoyam
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    A: Che Adams, Perez, Robbo
    B: Jota, F Anderson, Digne

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Don't know much about che Adams ..will be start ?

    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      A with Ings. Scoring well in preseason so far.

  11. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    I might be wrong but I can't remember a pre.season with so little big hitters in people's teams especially up front .

    1. Pasqualinho
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      It's only because people have mostly gone for multiple premiums at the back this pre-season. Time will tell whether that's the right call.

    2. sumatera
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Alot of FFS articles explain and analyse data indicating it's better to invest in premium defenders in terms of PPM points per million

    3. roscola
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      • 14 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I can’t help feeling that this fashion for 4/5 premium defenders is based on season-long points totals when the game is all about transfers.

      No single 6.5 striker or mid is likely to break 175 points for the season. But if your 6.5 slot is occupied by four or five different players going through patches of form at different times over the season, that slot should easily smash that.

      1. Shiva_Destroyer
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        This. Stats are overrated and history

        1. roscola
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          Stats can be very useful but if you’re plugging them into a model of the game that contains a fundamental misconception then you’ll get a misconceived output.

      2. All de Gea no iDier
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Tielemans, Gross Brooks and Lingard potentially could break 175 points for the season. As could at least four defenders and a couple of goal keepers. All £6.5 or under.

        The game is changing and forwards are being out scored by defenders and midfield players because of the way points are allocated.

        1. roscola
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          Over the whole season, yes. But you don’t have to keep players for the whole season. You should be jumping on and off form to make your slots outperform any individual players’ totals.

      3. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        This is true and hence why I always pick premium defenders first in FPL Draft, which is a game about season-long points and no transfers. FPL is completely different though.

        But another reason why 4/5 premiums at the back are popular is because Salah, Sterling, and two Pool defenders are popular, and when they occupy so much of your budget, it's hard to make a strong team with 3 at the back. There aren't many good 6.5 mids and strikers. Also, Pool defenders can work in the short term too. I don't know about others, but I don't own a single player in my team that I intend to keep all season. They're all going to be transferred out at some point.

        1. roscola
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          6 years, 5 months ago

          This is a much better rationale than the one I see so often on here, about value and PPM over the season.

          1. Cok3y5murf
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            PPM can give a summary or idea of how a player generally did in the season, but it's far from the whole story. For example, TAA has a higher PPM than Robbo, but he mostly outscored him at the end of the season while Robbo outscored him at the beginning. Pogba's 5.1 looks low, but there was a short spell where he was on fire and in everyone's teams.

            I've always seen a lot of discussion about value and PPM here during pre-season, but once the season starts, everyone forgets about it and starts jumping on and off bandwagons. And then pre-season comes again, and they're talking about value again 😀 Order will be restored soon.

            1. HamezMace
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              Excellent post.

      4. roscola
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        • 14 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I also think a guy called The Light Knight serves as a cautionary tale. Absolutely top guy and steadfast FPL maverick. Knows more about premier league football than most. For years and years he has always played FPL with five premium defenders. That’s his principle and he sticks to it. It doesn’t work, if your definition of working is to get a good rank. But he enjoys it and that’s all that counts. The point is, it has never worked. When FPL rejigged the bonus point system to reward defenders better, we thought it might be his season. He did better than ever before but still not as well as people who invest more up top, hopping on premium and midrange form.

      5. Markus
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Form isn't easy to predict though - I'm dubious of this suggestion which is often lauded here that you can massively exceed season long scores by getting 'form' strikers as by definition to know they're in form you'll have missed a couple of games returns probably. Yes you need to chop and change but in order to get the players who you think are great fpl players not just in form. Yes there are examples of where it worked particularly last season (pogba/son) but for pogba it was a clear situational shift which would have changed season long expectations alongside a great run of fixtures. I'm not advocating for 5atb season long or anything, I think there will be great options for higher scores from mids/strikers emerge, and this may well change throughout the season (eg fixtures/injuries/transfers/managerial changes etc) or not (Jimenez), but going by form (particularly if not accounting for the fixtures this form was achieved in) I think will lead to some great transfers you can herald but also a good number of missed points when the out of form player returns big out of the blue, and probably evens itself out more or less. Maybe its just different ways of playing the game, but I'm pretty sure most of the statistical evidence suggests form in sport as a predictor of future events is a highly slippery concept. Maybe I'm just too boring and risk averse though!

  12. langello
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    A or B ?

    De Bruyne - Maddison - Ederson

    Sterling - Yarmolenko - Ryan

    Already have Salah, but would like to upgrade KDB to Sterling.
    But is that worth the sacrifies?

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I prefer a..kdb will do very well this season I think

      1. langello
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks! Yeah, may be the best overall choice..

      2. sumatera
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I don't think KDB will score anywhere near Sterling PPM

    2. Milos1976
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      A

  13. Pjanić At The Disco
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    OPINION: Why is Sterling currently preferred over Aguero in most FPL draft squads?

    Aguero:
    - Proven PL goalscorer (20+ goals in the last 5 seasons)
    - Less competition for starting berth (Gabriel Jesus)
    - On Penalties (VAR)
    - 1 move away to Kane, Auba, Vardy
    - More activity in the box
    - Typically gets subbed off @ 70+ mins

    Sterling:
    - More points for Goals
    - Clean sheet points
    - Higher rotation risk (Mahrez, Sane, Bernardo)
    - 2 moves away to a premium striker

    1. SB8
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Higher rotation risk for Sterling? Is it a joke?

    2. Party time
        6 years, 5 months ago

        To me Sterling has more activity in the box

      • Jafoole_88
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Jack Ma

      • Moderately content penguin
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        FFS bubble pick.

        Aguero looks a tad overpriced and Kane offers better value first up.

        1. Jayv807
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I'm considering no city attack for the first two week as I think most will cap Salah the first two, which should limit the damage if I get it wrong.

          1. Moderately content penguin
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Likewise as it happens

            Think Spurs Arsenal look nicer in 1 and 2 on combined fixtures. Thinking Kane Auba to switch to Sterling in 3.

      • sumatera
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Potentially Aguero will be rotated more. He was also subbed at 70 minutes alot last season.
        However you make a very valid point

      • dbeck
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Sterling performs better away from home and away and West Ham and Bournemouth in there first 3 games edged it for me. The home game is at home to spurs which lacks appeal

      • Shiva_Destroyer
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        City have 2 away fixtures and tough home in first 3. Sterling performs better in away games where city don’t have as much possession as home

    3. SB8
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Abraham price is the biggest joke I have ever seen in fantasy.

      1. Party time
          6 years, 5 months ago

          It is funnier than a joke tbh. Maybe because he is british

        • HamezMace
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Why so?
          If he becomes first choice striker in the Chelsea team £7m is a bargain.
          ...and if he doesn't, why would anyone have him anyway?

          1. SB8
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            You could say the same for Origi, who has scored in UCL final by the way.
            As you said, IF he becomes. There is a big IF, so it`s a big risk. Why should someone pay 7m for that kind of risk?

            1. HamezMace
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              I think the problem is (and the reason FPL delayed releasing the prices of Abraham and Batsuiayi) is because it's quite uncertain who will be the starting striker at Chelsea.

              To your comparison, no one thinks Origi will be more than a impact sub, or covering injuries, to Firmino.

              At Chelsea, Abraham is probably the most suited to the style of play Lampard wants to use, but Giroud and Batsuiayi both have more PL experience.

              One of them will be first choice, and get 30 PL starts (I don't see a situation where they rotate them on a weekly basis) and whoever that is, at £7m is great value.

      2. Stimps
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Best 6m?

        Adams? Sharp?

        1. dbeck
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          DCL if Everton don’t buy a striker

        2. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Adams looks a good player imo.

        3. Differential C (Mark)
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Both good shouts.

          I'm going Adams.

        4. A19
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Ings looks in form rn. I know he will probably be injured soon but I may start with him

      3. SB8
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        The team without Salah looks so balanced. Just need the balls to go against him.

        1. dbeck
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Jayv807 makes some good points and if you want a gamble, I agree with his approach of starting without a Man City premium rather than without salah

        2. No Professionals
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Team with him looks better

      4. rnrd
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Isn’t Ross Barkley building a case for consideration under lampard during this pre-season?

        1. dbeck
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Too much of a rotation risk still, a wait and see like with all chels players

      5. ZeBestee
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Watched videos of him and he looks relaxed in front of goal, not conclusive but he has good control of the ball and even good technique for his frame to make turns and a good eye for a final pass. Definitely worth a look.

        1. No Professionals
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          This has convinced me, straight in my team.

          1. ZeBestee
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            I will give him a few games and monitor, but they paid a lot for him for a reason.

      6. Miguel Sanchez
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Have somehow ended up on a Man City free draft that I quite like.

        Pope
        TAA VVD Digne Coleman
        Salah Siggy Fraser Perez
        Kane Wilson

        KDB could be the value in that City squad so he is one I might look to bring in.

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Really good team imo. 2 Everton at the back not interesting though.

          1. Miguel Sanchez
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Coleman can be another 5.5 but I would want a bit of attacking threat at that price point.

        2. Moderately content penguin
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Different configuration in front 6 but may join you. Do you have a plan to get City attack from 3/4?

          Don’t see anything wrong with City free or even Mo free - you just need the right combos elsewhere with handy fixtures

          1. Miguel Sanchez
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            I would want City from GW4 but seeing they have 12 players for 6 positions is a bit unsettling for their respective prices. Wilson and Siggy to an in form 6.5 and KDB is a possibility.

            1. Moderately content penguin
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              Problem with City attack from 4 on is that’s when pre CL rotation seems probable judging from last season. Juicy fixtures but high risk.

      7. HamezMace
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Couple of questions;

        1. Why did Lacazette take the penalty against Madrid last night? Is he ahead of Auba in the penalty taking ranks now?

        2. What's up with the Sheffield United line up in the friendly last night? Norwood and O'Connell benched (two popular FPL picks) Another start in midfield for Lundstram (4.0 def), and Robinson playing as a striker (5.5m mid).

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          1) Auba is no. 1, but they have good relation so they may share a few
          2) I guess it's the normal preseason rotation.

          1. HamezMace
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks for the reply.
            Shame, if Lacazette had penalties too, he'd be a serious consideration for his price, and opening fixtures.

            It seemed a strange rotation though. Lundstram looking increasing consistent as a starting midfielder...okay it's only ever going to a 2 point return, but for a 4.0 defender, I'll take it.

      8. A19
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thoughts on these 2 options:

        A) KDB Perez (Greenwood)
        B) Maddison Lucas (Ings)

        In option B I'd rotate between Ings, King and Deulofeu depending on the fixtures. In option A I'd play King and Deulofeu week in week out

        1. Moderately content penguin
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I kept getting Ings last season - he kept breaking. If he stays fit he’s a great pick - ahead of nearly all 6.5s imo when fixtures are even. But that’s a big if

          1. A19
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Yes exactly my thinking. One possibility is to start with him, enjoy his goals and then switch to another striker once he inevitably gets injured. Maybe Che Adams could be a good replacement if he hits the ground running in the PL

            1. Moderately content penguin
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              Not a bad plan at all

              Fancy Southampton to shake the presumed top ten up. But they’ve a horrid fixture run a few games in.

        2. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          A

      9. Pia06rc
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Thoughts on Pogba as a pick? Was essential at some points of last season and even if he wants out, surely will want to put himself in the shop window?

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          On pens, won't do very bad imo but see how they start the season first as you never know what you getting from United nowadays.

        2. Concrete
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Uniteds PR machine in overdrive with Pogba

        3. LangerznMash
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          One to monitor but ManUtd don't really get a great run of fixtures until GW10 and that only lasts for 5 matches.

      10. Ranger3
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        RMT please
        De Gea
        Digne/Robertson/Zinchenko/WanBissaka
        Moura/Sterling/Salah/Perez
        Deulofeu/Wilson
        Bench : Button/Greenwood/Dunk/Hayden

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          You think United will keep many CS's to start with 2? Otherwise good team.

          1. Ranger3
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            I watched pre season games, and Wan bissaka looks impressive and will get BAPs... De gea's price is good and in my team for the long run.. UTD defense looks solid for this year, if McGuire comes, then it will be many clean sheets.

            1. ZeBestee
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              Then go for it. DDG when on song is the best in the world and WB will definitely add solidity to the team. I think though it's a risk to go with 2, 1 is enough.

              1. Ranger3
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 5 months ago

                Yes sure 1 normally is enough, if I find a better option for 1 of them at 5.5 before the start I could change. Thanks 😉

            2. Moderately content penguin
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 5 months ago

              Really not sure AWB will get many baps.

              He’ll make great tackles of course but United won’t defend half as much as Palace did so the tackle count will be lower. Quality not quantity - few defensive baps.

      11. Reckoner.
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Been tinkering far too much, think this maybe the closest I've got to what I want:

        Alisson | McGovern
        VvD | Zinchenko | Coleman | Diop | Taylor
        Salah | Sterling | Perez | Noble | Dendoncker
        Aguero | King | Greenwood

        1. Smurf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Alisson seems a huge waste of a Liverpool spot considering the attacking output of the fullbacks.

          1. HamezMace
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Agreed.
            I'd rather have a 4.5m keeper, and upgrade Zincheko or Coleman to Robertson/TAA

          2. Reckoner.
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            In other drafts I did have TAA in instead, just hard to find the money.

            Really not wanting to downgrade Salah, Sterling or Aguero but its looking like I may have to (Aguero with the one to go)

      12. JohnBlack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Which one looks better?

        A) Vardy, Jorginho, 4.5m
        B) Deulofeu, Perez, Zinchenko

        Rest of the team

        Ederson/Button
        Vvd/Taa/Digne/*****/(Rico)
        Salah/Sterling/Siggy/*****/(Dendoncker)
        King/*****/(Greenwood)

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          B if Zinchenko is confirmed as first choice.

        2. Concrete
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          B

      13. SB8
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        That assist from Laca against Madrid...

      14. AC Pilkington
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Which front 7 is stronger?

        a) 3-4-3
        Siggy - KDB - Salah - Pereyra - Dedonker
        Kane - Vardy - King
        b) 3-5-2
        Siggy - KDB - Salah - Lucas- Fraser
        Kane - King - Wickham

        1. ZeBestee
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Neither. Dedonker and Wickham are not nailed.

        2. HamezMace
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          A.
          What's your defence with A

      15. Holy Boly
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Currently on:

        Pope
        TAA VVD Targett Guilbert
        KDB Sterling Salah Richarlison Siggy
        Wesley

        Bench: Fodder.

        Also bet on Villa to be top of the league by Sept 1st 2019

        1. Concrete
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I’d wait and see where KdB is deployed at the start

          He’s not explosive so can afford to monitor

        2. Holy Boly
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Godammit we just signed Trezeguet! Why can't we put more than 3 players from one team into our teams?!!!

        3. Klein
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Villa got promoted buddy. Top of the league next season.

      16. clownbot2000
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Morning fellow FPL friends, any thoughts on this draft team #427?

        Kepa
        T.A.A. - Robertson - WalkerPeters (TOT) - chenks
        Salah - Sterling - Fraser - Tielmans
        Wilson - Pukki

        bench: Greenwood - Dendonker - Kelly - Button
        uncertainties: Zinchenko, Walker-Peters - would swap for any starting TOT DEF @5.0
        'rationale' for 4-4-2: p.p.m seems to be higher among DEF @6.0 and under compared with MID/FOR.
        reason for Pukki: stands out as a potential talisman in terms of % of team points scored

        1. Concrete
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          WP rotation risk

          Lightweight forwards

          There is little flexibility or balance to adapt

          A lot on here getting giddy with defenders. It could work but if it doesn’t, and there’s no guarantee, I can see a few WC being wasted early on

          1. clownbot2000
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            cheers for the comments, not too worried about W-P I suspect/hope there will be one 5m TOT Def emerge by 9th Aug.
            Adding Kane would be the icing on the cake but not without a total rebuild - Wilson/Vardy seem like good value as the next best thing.
            Having said that I will probably be W/C'ing after GW1 when Kane scores a hat trick against Villa...

      17. Differential C (Mark)
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        JUST for the first two fixtures, you would pick Wilson over Lacazette, right?

        A. Wilson vs SHU(H) and AVL(A)

        B. Lacazette vs NEW(A) and BUR(H)

        An absolute no brainer, innit?