Scout Notes

Klopp explains Salah’s absence as VAR foils owners of Liverpool assets

Manchester United 1-1 Liverpool

  • Goals: Marcus Rashford (£8.4m) | Adam Lallana (£5.8m)
  • Assists: Daniel James (£6.1m) | Andrew Robertson (£6.9m)
  • Bonus: Rashford, Robertson x3, James, Lallana x1

Sunday afternoon saw a meeting between the Premier League’s two best defences based on expected goals conceded (xGC).

As if to prove that expected goal data isn’t everything, Manchester United and Liverpool haven’t been able to translate their promising underlying statistics into too many clean sheets this season (just two each – only four clubs have recorded fewer).

The result at Old Trafford was perhaps not a huge surprise, then, with the two old foes serving up a tight match in which clear-cut chances were at a premium but ultimately conceding a goal apiece to once again deprive Fantasy managers of much-needed clean sheet points.

Jurgen Klopp’s side were without Mohamed Salah (£12.4m), who missed a league game through injury for the first time in 18 months.

Speaking ahead of kick-off, the Liverpool head coach said:

Mo was not ready, that’s how it is. He couldn’t train with the team; I don’t know where it came from that everybody said he will play. There was pretty much no chance for today, maybe for Wednesday [in the Champions League], we have to see.

To say that the Egyptian’s availability would have made all the difference is too simplistic, given that United switched to three centre-halves for this match and made it quite clear that their first intention was to contain their visitors and strike on the counter-attack.

The lack of invention from the centre of midfield was also an issue for Liverpool, a problem that Klopp seemed to acknowledge after the break when throwing on substitutes Adam Lallana (£5.8m), Naby Keita (£5.8m) and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.2m).

Still, it was difficult to dispute that Salah’s absence not only deprived the Reds of an outlet down the right but also led to a disruptive rejig to the frontline, with Sadio Mane (£11.8m) initially operating from the right flank and Divock Origi (£5.3m) deputising on the opposite wing.

We even saw Klopp move to a 4-2-3-1 in the second half, with the below-par Jordan Henderson (£5.3m) forced into an unconvincing right-wing role and Roberto Firmino (£9.5m) shunted into the number ten position.

Firmino couldn’t match his usual high levels, slicing horribly wide early on and then producing a tame shot when well-positioned in the United box.

The stats tables will show that Mane failed to register a single goal attempt, meanwhile, although the Senegalese winger only had a goal ruled out after VAR intervention, having been adjudged to have controlled the ball with his arm.

Reflecting on the game, Klopp said:

It’s clear that it’s easier for United in a situation like that, coming here and play 5-3-2 and really properly fight and everybody is happy about that.

We were not really there, we did not get the momentum of the first half – they had it, but we still had the biggest chance of the first half with the counter-attack when Sadio plays the ball to Bobby. I wouldn’t say it was a ‘no brainer’, it was a big chance.

Then at half-time, we could adjust a few things and it was immediately better through little position changes and we scored a goal. In the end, we have to be happy with the point, that’s clear, but we are not happy with the performance overall. But that’s OK, that’s sometimes like it is.

While clean sheets are proving elusive, Liverpool’s full-backs are doing their best to compensate at the other end of the pitch.

Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.2m) and Andrew Robertson (£6.9m) are joint-first and third for total points among FPL defenders this season, with the Scottish left-back registering his third assist in five Gameweeks when supplying Lallana’s late equaliser.

Robertson is now the highest-scoring defender over the last six Gameweeks.

The paucity of clean sheets league-wide means the bar has admittedly been set low but, on the flip side, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson are riding high in the points standings in spite of Liverpool’s annoying knack of letting in the odd goal.

In the seven matches that the Reds have failed to keep a clean sheet, they have only conceded once – suggesting that they are not too far away from stringing together a succession of shut-outs.

Indeed, there was an argument to suggest that United’s goal on Sunday ought not to have counted due to a possible foul on Origi in the build-up – VAR adjudging Martin Atkinson’s failure to award a free-kick as not a clear and obvious error.

With Alisson (£5.8m) back – the Brazilian made his return from injury in this match – and the fixtures easing considerably from Gameweek 13 onwards, there may be some of us who are re-considering a Liverpool defensive double-up after the November international break.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has come in for some deserved criticism of late but the United head coach’s tactical tweak on Sunday merited praise, with a three-man backline marshalled by the imposing Harry Maguire (£5.4m) and some relentless harrying in midfield depriving Liverpool of the space they crave.

Solskjaer indeed hinted after the match that a wing-back system could be one he uses more in the future, saying:

It can develop into something because we’ve got the players to play with three at the back. Of course, it’s a risk when you play with three at the back against their [Liverpool] front three, which is a great front three. But it’s a risk we had to take.

We did it to create chances for ourselves. I thought the goal was the perfect example of how we wanted the game to pan out.

Other than the formation, little changed on Sunday.

This game told us what we knew already about Solskjaer’s troops, in that they are built to be a counter-attacking side and have been at their best in games against Chelsea and Liverpool this season, when their ‘big six’ opponents have been able to be exploited on the break.

With three newly promoted clubs and two of last season’s bottom ten to come in the next five Gameweeks, the Red Devils may not be able to play to their strengths if they fail to break the deadlock early.

All six of Marcus Rashford‘s (£8.4m) attacking returns this season have come against teams who finished in the top half of the table in 2018/19 and it was the England striker who broke the deadlock on Sunday following a fine run and cross from Daniel James (£6.1m).

The return from injury of Anthony Martial (£7.5m), who was thrown on as a late substitute, could be significant for those two assets should he be fit to start in Gameweek 10: Rashford and James were operating on the left and right flank respectively before Martial picked up his thigh problem, with the Frenchman having led the line in Gameweeks 1-3.

James’ goals against Southampton and Palace, for instance, came when he cut in off the left flank onto his favoured right foot.

Having welcomed back Martial, Aaron Wan-Bissaka (£5.4m) and David de Gea (£5.5m) from injury against Liverpool, Solskjaer may well have other bodies back fit for the trip to Norwich.

The United boss said after full-time:

Hopefully, Jesse [Lingard] is back soon. Anthony will be able to play more.

We’re going to have a test on Pogba tomorrow and see where he’s at and how long it’ll be until he’s back.

Luke [Shaw] is not too long. So, it’s looking brighter and that’s a big plus as well.

The Red Devils did lose Axel Tuanzebe (£4.4m) in the warm-up, however, while Nemanja Matic (£4.8m) also now faces a spell on the sidelines.

Reflecting on the game, Solskjaer said:

We’re better when we attack quickly – no dilly-dallying on the ball. Play the ball forward – it doesn’t have to be a counter-attack. I spoke about it before the game: take more risks, be braver. It doesn’t matter if you lose the ball up there because you can win it back. 

I thought one, the boys were fantastic, aggressive, pressing on the front foot. Two, the fans also made it an energetic game, with loads of passion in the crowd. 

Reserving praise for Rashford, the United boss said:

Not just for the movement for the goal, but for his movement all night really, I think maybe it’s one of his best games for us.

I think he’s showing strength. You could see that down the side when he showed his pace against Van Dijk and there was a body-to-body challenge there. He was strong.

But the goal is what we want from him – tap-ins. We had a little video session yesterday and exactly that happened.

Manchester United XI (3-4-2-1): De Gea; Maguire, Lindelof, Rojo; Young, Fred, McTominay, Wan-Bisakka; James, Pereira (Williams 90+4); Rashford (Martial 84).

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Matip, van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson (Lallana 71′), Fabinho, Wijnaldum (Keita 82′); Mane, Firmino, Origi (Oxlade-Chamberlain 60′)

Members Analysis

324 Comments Post a Comment
  1. farmerfat
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Fantasy is hard

    1. Brimble82
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Hulk this.

    2. The Overthinker
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Word

  2. Tmel
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Dendoncker & Pukki > CHO & Connolly for a - 4?

    1. Flynny
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      No

    2. Rhodes your boat
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Not for a hit

  3. Bubbles1985
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Heaton
    TAA Digne Lundstram
    Sterling(vc) Salah(c) Mount Cantwell
    Haller Auba Pukki

    Button Saka Pieters Kelly

    I am holding 0.1itb and 2ft.

    Digne + Pukki > Reid + Vardy

    Saving WC until next month...
    Decent transfers for a short punt or do I need to try and get KDB over Vardy?!

    Cheers!

    1. Bubbles1985
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Forget the captain/bench choice, only concerned with the squad transfers..!

  4. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    VAR was a shambles yesterday. Well, it has been for several weeks now.

    1. Surfeit of Lampteys
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Yesterday I thought it was fine. Disallowed goal correctly, gave no penalty for Fred shoulder correctly and nothing clear and obvious about foul on Origi to overturn the goal. Not that they would have overturned it if it were incredibly clear and obvious.

      1. Konstaapeli
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Have to agree. It was shambles on saturday tho.

        1. Surfeit of Lampteys
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Oh God yes Saturday was truly abysmal

      2. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Klopp:

        "The process [allows] the ref to make the decision or not because they have VAR. The ref thinks: ‘Let it run – we have VAR.’ But then VAR says it can’t be overruled because it was not clear."

        He's right. It's happening on a weekly basis.

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Btw agree on Mane and Fred - both those decisions were correct.

        2. Now I'm Panicking
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          At least it's consistent though

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Consistently crap ;(. Tbf I think it's decent but the implementation is poor. They aren't using the screens either, as Dyche mentioned too.

            1. Now I'm Panicking
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Bizarre as it works well in other countries - I don't know why we just don't do exactly the same as they do!

        3. Surfeit of Lampteys
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Well klopp doesn't know that that was what Atkinson was thinking here. The fact that not everyone agreed that it was a clear foul suggests the process worked fine. Even though more often than not I think it would be given

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            That's his point thought - the use of 'clear and obvious' means normal decisions aren't being given. The refs are instilling their trust in VAR but VAR are instilling theirs in the referee.

            This isn't an isolated incident, it happened throughout Saturday too.

            1. Surfeit of Lampteys
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Var has clearly had *an* effect on the way the refs referee a game but in theory, why would they just not referee exactly as they would last season? You say that refs are using var as insurance but equally they must know by now that var won't 're-referee' the game given zero decisions have been overturned.

        4. Brosstan
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Thats not what happened with the Origi foul though. Ref saw it and decided it wasnt a foul. Had nothing to do with "letting it run and waiting for VAR".

      3. AC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        With respect origi was fouled, offside is given for millimeters on Var yet a clear foul was not overruled yesterday same as Silva vs Bournemouth. It’s not being used correctly imo.

        1. Surfeit of Lampteys
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          It was yesterday because that wasn't as clear as you're saying. 60-40 a foul but enough doubt not to overrule the decision imo.

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            So it was a foul, by your own definition. Similar to being 1cm offside or 1m offside. Offside is offside, a foul is a foul, handball is handball. 'Clear and obvious' makes it all opinionated.

            1. Surfeit of Lampteys
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Yeah I say it would usually be given but it wasn't a blatant foul- not clear and obvious. Of course there's an element of subjectivity which there isn't for handballs and offsides (for which I think there should be a margin of error).

    2. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      VAR was fine. Atkinson was shite.

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Atkinson is the new Mike Dean - manages to make himself a talking point most weeks.

        1. jtreble
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Oops, forgot Michael Oliver‘s non-call on Zaha’s bodycheck of KDB. Another piece of appalling refereeing.

    3. DAZZ
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Also stopped the game because James got clattered by a bigger man. No head injury

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        James makes the likes of Ronaldo and Salah look like non-divers.

        1. DAZZ
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          I went to the Wales Croatia game i couldn’t believe it, he spends more time on the deck.

        2. FPL_Hazards
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          and continues to get away with it. He time wasted about 7 mins rolling about yet they only played 5 mins ET

        3. Konstaapeli
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Oh come on. He's a walking bruise today. He took some heavy (but fair) hits.

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Fabinho clattered him pretty nicely tbf. He does spend a lot of the time down, probably takes after his ma or something 😆

            1. No Kane No Gain
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              I can confirm that this is true 😉

          2. DAZZ
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            He got nailed by VVD and Fabinho in the space of 2 mins, just 2 larger blokes, you could see the size of them in comparison in the shots, with Alisson and Matip, liverpool are a huge team defensively

  5. have you seen cyan
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Trent is finally in my team for that sack of potato’s and it feels good!

    1. Konstaapeli
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Ota?

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Indeedy 🙂
        Shame he has two great home fixtures and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get a haul but frankly I rather not mess around with city unless I really have to. And let’s face it only thing going for ota is attacking threat, don’t think anyone is expecting a cs.

        1. have you seen cyan
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Probably not best time to bring in Taa but he is damaging to me not owning him. Everyone has him so if he does bad in the next three he does bad for everyone

        2. Konstaapeli
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          I did the same move. Bit risky but I've still got WC to save me if there's some trouble in mid week.

          1. have you seen cyan
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Getting robbo as well in 2/3 weeks and probably stick with that for the season. 3rd defender being a lunds/Rico rotation. Or might even go four at the back maybe if I need another big hitter in mid or up front

  6. Daddymac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Over 40 points is now a massive success.

    Taking hits are now over 10% of your total score to be avoided unless you don’t have a full team.

    3 points is a fair/good score for a midfielder.

    Man City player getting a game is like a goal.

    Liverpool clean sheet is not to be expected.

    Chelsea is where the value is but can’t be trusted against teams who park the bus.

    Leicester will win most of their games but only by the odd goal.

    Man Utd are over priced

    Arsenal a few look good value if they can get settle team

    Spurs are in a mess.

    So many questions

    1. FPL_Hazards
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      so many statements

      1. The Hindu Monkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        so many a nonsense

    2. Slitherene
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Agree with most except United are overpriced, they'll come good.

    3. PikeyMikey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Think City are going to clean up in their next two home matches. Liverpool drawing to United has shown them they can catch them and they will drop points. Expecting Jesus to start tonight and Aguero to start in the PL on the weekend. I’ve got DSilva, Sterling and Aguero and reckon there’s a big big hawl against Villa coming.

      1. Daddymac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        I think your right I have KDB and Aguero I probably cap Aguero but do we want Jesus to start in Champs League ?

  7. have you seen cyan
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Kdb or mane for the arm band next week? Kdb feels safer mane feels risky.

    1. Konstaapeli
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I've got it on KDB. Salah and Sterling my other choices.

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        I have Auba as well but vs palace im not sure that’s a great fixture tbh

    2. PikeyMikey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      If Aguero doesn’t start tonight Aguero for the arm band

      1. George Sillett
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        That's the armband on Aguero then.

      2. No Kane No Gain
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        what happens if aguero doesnt start today but starts tomorrow?!

  8. Godfrey
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    I need Pepe to bring me over 40 points, on 36 now. GW 8 I scored 63 points and had a massive green arrow. Now I know how it feels to get hurt by a GW 🙁

    1. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Ok then...…….

    2. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      cry me a river

    3. FPL_Hazards
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      after 13 seasons you learn to suck it up

    4. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Well over average

    5. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Managing FPL pain is all part of the game 🙂

  9. bangers and M*A*S*H
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    I need to shave off 0.1 from my team to get the one I want upfront.

    To do that I will sell Otamendi. Max to spend is therefore 5.4.

    a) Maguire - nice fixtures
    b) Newcastle defender - nice fixtures
    c) someone else. please comment.

    1. DAZZ
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Willems.

      1. Slitherene
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Lascelles over Willems as he is more nailed and Bonus Points for CS's are more likely than attacking returns for Newcastle. The 0.1 saved might also be helpful in the future.

    2. EMBOLOFAN
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      a

    3. redsallstars
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      c) dunk. nice differential, couple of assists this season and up against everton next who are suspect on defending set pieces

      1. Slitherene
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Don't even consider getting him in now, as his fixtures are really bad from 12-15

  10. Slitherene
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Looking fwd to the 1st hit of the season.

    Pope (Heaton)
    Digne Diop Lascelles (Soyuncu) (Tomori) Salah KdB Son* Mount (Stephens)
    C.Wilson Pukki* Vardy

    Son (liv) + Pukki (MUN) ->

    A) Martial (nor) + Lacazette (CRY)
    B) Maddison (sou) + Firmino (TOT)

    Which one should it be??

    1. PikeyMikey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Madders and Tammy

  11. DAZZ
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Pope Button
    TAA Robertson Lundstram Montoya Willems
    Salah KDB Mount Sterling Cantwell
    Abraham Wilson Greenwood

    Happy i think. Will debate captaincy of course, but any suggestions with the FT? 0 ITB, any thoughts appreciated.

    1. thegaffer82
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I’d save & then make some big moves next week with a view to switching to 3-4-3 and removing Greenwood for Vardy.

      I’d consider losing a Pool DF plus downgrading one of Salah or Sterling to make some £££

      1. DAZZ
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Thank you i’ll take that on board. Appreciate your opinion.

    2. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      TAA And Robertson. Nice

    3. Astronautovic
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Great team. Keep the FT imo

  12. thegaffer82
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Took a 1 week punt on Kane for my WC last week. Thought he might go big after such a brilliant performance in IB. T’was a big mistake I acknowledge!

    So, time to get rid now...

    Kane >
    A) Auba
    B) Vardy (and bank a chunk of £££)

    1. FPL_Hazards
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      B

      because of value and Aubs will be shifted out wide next week

      1. thegaffer82
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        I’ll probably end up with Vardy, but I’m considering Auba first and having a front row seat seeing how Laca return affects his output.

  13. Ronnies
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Pukki out for:

    A) Rashford

    B) Wilson

    I have King but could sell him after Watford (GW10)

    Thanks guys.

    1. thegaffer82
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Wilson.

      I don’t trust Utd attack at all - and that’s coming from a Utd fan.

      As soon as we come up against a team who is happy to sit back, we don’t have a clue how to break them down

  14. TAT
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Just went through my captaincy picks this season so far, and it turns out I’ve made the wrong choice between captains and vice captains all but two GWs: GW 6 when I got KDB’s 17 points from Sterling who didn’t play, and GW8 when Sterling (C) snd Salah (VC) both got two points each.

    GW 1: Salah 12 - Sterling (VC) 20
    GW 2: Salah 3 - Sterling (VC) 6
    GW 3: Sterling 8 - Salah (VC) 15
    GW 4: Sterling 3 - Salah (VC) 6
    GW 5: Sterling 2 - Salah (VC) 9
    GW 6: KDB VC 17
    GW 7: Sterling 7 - KDB (VC) 9
    GW 8: Sterling 2 - Salah (VC) 2
    GW 9: Abraham 2 - KDB (VC) 3

    Captaincy total (incl. KDB’s VC points in GW 6): 56
    Vice captaincy total: 87

    No wonder this season is the worst…

    1. thegaffer82
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      You are by no means alone...

      Looking around my mini-League, and indeed my own team, it’s been a cacophony of captaincy failures.

      C’est la vie!

      1. TAT
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        It's a strange season so far, IMO. Can't remember the last time I had this long of a run with wrong decisions.

        Playing safe and not taking too many hits has also backfired…

    2. Astronautovic
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Same here mate. It seems I can't get a captain decision right

      1. TAT
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Hopefully our luck will change eventually! 🙂

        I wonder if I should reverse the captaincy/vice captaincy decisions going forward, just to see how that works; captaining the player I'd rather have as a vice captain and vice versa.

  15. have you seen cyan
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    On 22 points ugh, but Auba, Pepe and lundstram to go! I could reach 40 or 26.

    1. thegaffer82
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      40 is optimistic I’d say.

      Lundy- 2
      Pépé - 2
      Auba - 8 (goal + 2baps)

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Ye probably the most I can hope for. Pepe could even benched or something :/

  16. fakelund
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Team looks okay atm... however a couple of transfers I'm contemplating, just need to decide what GW to make them on...?

    Auba > Vardy/Rashford
    Sterling > KDB

    Planning to do one this week and one next, but question is, which first?

  17. SHOWSTOPPERRR
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Need kdb ..how can achieve?can you tell me the best way guys

    A) salah to kdb free
    B) Sterling to kdb free
    C) auba and mcgin to kdb and King/wood free..

    1. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I'd do A

  18. SUPER MOKH
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Triggered my WC to get this team

    Pope McGovern
    TAA Boly Rico Lund Kelly
    KDB Mane Mount Maddison Cantwell
    Wilson Kun Tammy

    Annnd boom! Didnt even hit 30pts

    1. have you seen cyan
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      U know the gw8 dream team scored something like 136 points. In game week 7 those same players totalled 16 points. I haven’t seen what that dream team got this week but probably a shocker again.
      So maybe having a bad week this week indicates a good week next?

      1. George Sillett
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Fine if you want to rely on superstition

      2. Top Lad Dakes.
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Well...

        I’ve had a bunch of crap weeks in a row, so

    2. PikeyMikey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      If Kun doesn’t play tonight, captain him on the weekend home v Villa

      1. George Sillett
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        What if he plays midweek ?

        1. @persecuted_by_mods
            4 years, 5 months ago

            What if he plays at his local park on Friday

    3. Typo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Otamendi done, or was he injured?

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Injured but the two who filled in for stones and ota played not bad, maybe ota could be at risk of rotation

      2. Squeakybum99
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Injured according to Pep.

    4. EL tridente
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Which transfer?
      A) Mcginn to Trossard
      or
      B) Greenwood to Connolly

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Well a seems pointless

      2. Relaxing
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Both are sideways

    5. Big W
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Bench 2
      a) Soy (Saints away)
      b) Lund (WHU Away)
      c) Tomori (Burnley Away)
      d) Ota (AVL H)

    6. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      With the way this season is panning out so far, what are expectation with regards to point scores going forward? Will the average still be on the lower side of 40 or do we expect a surge in scores more so when fixtures pile up?

      VAR has helped either, how many goals have been ruled out by VAR? How many given? How many gameweek average point difference will it have resulted had VAR not been around.

      Tbh, this season has been really underwhelming, a lot of planning and points never arrive.

      1. jtreble
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        “... what are expectation with regards to point scores going forward? ...”. 1,950 base; 400 captaincy for Top 10K is my best guess.

      2. The Overthinker
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Season of the casuals.

        1. George Sillett
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          The phrase that's randomly trotted out when things don't go to plan. Utter rubbish .

    7. Top Lad Dakes.
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Wilson owners - if he blanks again next week will you
      A) Sell for someone like Ings
      B) Blindly keep the faith

      Aguero owners - especially if he racks up minutes midweek, will you
      1) Sell for someone like Auba if he performs to tonight (or Vardy...)
      2) Keep for now and pray a repeat of this doesn’t happen in the next 2

      1. George Sillett
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Re Wilson he's going after Watford whatever he does for Jimenez
        Keep Aguero .

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          I’d say that’s probably smart re Wilson to Jimenez, yeah. I’ll likely to similar. No interest in Ings though? 3 in 3, good fixtures after City and saves some money. Injury prone perhaps but seems nailed for now

          1. George Sillett
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Just never been a fan of Ings. He has these little flurries and becomes crap again. Can't trust him. Jimenez at least is pretty consistent although Europa League is a bit of a concern.

        2. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          And keep Kun even if Auba hauls tonight and Kun plays close to 90 in CL?

          1. George Sillett
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Yes for sure. That would make him bang on for the weekend. No point in trying to guess Pep line ups. Long term I do think KDB and Sterling are the 2 best options though.

      2. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Keep both.

        I have both and I will keep. Just listened to Pep's press, he basically said Jesus is betyer suited to high pressing game(he said he is the best in the World in pressing?), coz he is young, and Aguero is more experienced and composed. My understanding from this is Kun will get more easier home games, while Jesus will get the tricky away fixtures. He also said Jesus played because he had momentum having played twice during the IB, not sure to believe him from that statement.

        Wilson is an easy keep against leaky Watford, he should do well there.

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Cheers. Hopefully means Kun starts next 2 - and I’ll likely sell before LIV anyway.

          Re Wilson definitely keeping v Watford I think (although they’ve tightened up defensively tbf), but meant moreso if he blanks again there. Jimenez, or save money with Ings?

          1. ZeBestee
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Jiminez is a good option, should have scored a hatrick this gw. Looks like they are adapting to the EL as well.

      3. Relaxing
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Depends how he and Bourn perform against Watford as well as the appeal of budget strikers after the next GW. Right now disappointed to have gone Wilson and Madds over CHO and Vardy on WC, but a lot can change in a week

      4. Will Kane
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        I'm bored of Wilson. Had him since the start and although he has done well he just isn't the kind of player to get excited about. Not sure what to do with him, or my team in general right now. Everything seems a bit stagnant. Given that I'm likely to wildcard soon to engineer a Liverpool triple up, I'm tempted to do Wilson and Maddison to Aguero and CHO this week and captain Aguero for the home game against Villa. Haven't hit a captain since Mane in GW5 and I'm getting a bit desperate to make something happen.

    8. sirmorbach
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Lads, 2 ft. What do you suggest for this lot?

      Heaton, 4.0
      TAA, VVD, Otamendi, Lundstram, Rico
      Salah, Sterling, Mount, Yarmolenko, Cantwell
      Vardy, Abraham, Pukki

      1. Top Lad Dakes.
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Very nice team. Nothing pressing really assuming Salah is fit. I’d ditch Otamendi as priority one from that lot though. Or Cantwell downgrade since you’ll hardly play him if nothing else

        1. sirmorbach
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Nice, mate! Thank you very much indeed!

        2. jtreble
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Why? Otamendi back in training and has AVL (H) and SOU (H) up next.

      2. LordRougeGrog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Personally i’d downgrade VVD to 4.0/3.9 fodder and spend the money on a Yarmolenko upgrade. 8.5/8.6m buys you a real improvement on the inconsistent Hammer.
        5 playing defenders is a luxury you can afford to go without, especially if you still have your WC

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          He’s not that inconsistent tbf - was scoring regularly before palace game which he was unlucky not to return in, and then just a rest this week.

          Largely I agree though

        2. sirmorbach
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Yes, WC still intact. That's a good call too! Thank you very very much, lads!

    9. Geordie19
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Was all set for Pukki to Jimi but Pukki has Man Utd Sunday...keep for 1 more week?

      1. Party time
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Yes

        • ChickenTikkaMoSalah
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          United’s defence is the second best in the league according to xGC stats. Pukki to Jiminez seems like a no brainer.

        • EMBOLOFAN
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          utd defence is excellent. not sure what your logic is

          1. Relaxing
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Good yes. Excellent is a stretch

      2. Bubz
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Would you wildcard this lot? Not getting anywhere with them

        Pope
        TAA Robbo Tomori Rico Montoya
        Salah Sterling Mahrez Mount Cantwell
        Abraham Pukki Greenwood

        1. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Personally I would, there isn’t actually an eternity until your WC runs out, and if they’re consistently not scoring points then you should WC now.

        2. ZeBestee
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Pukki and Robbo 》》Vardy and Tierney? If you ca afford.

        3. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Defence looks fine tbh. I reckon soon more people will shift back to Liverpool double with Trent and a Robbo - I may after City if Robbo keeps delivering. Rest of defence looks alright tbh, apart from the lack of King Lundstram 😉

          As for midfield, I’d probably be rid of Mahrez. I’d also ditch at least one, if not both (I ditched both on WC this week, Cantwell cos I’m playing 343 so would hardly play him) of Cantwell and Pukki, as well as Greenwood.

          Depends whether you think those changes (or if you were looking at others) warrant a WC I suppose!

        4. EMBOLOFAN
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          team looks good

        5. Stokelona
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Mahrez and Greenwood to Vardy and fodder maybe. The rest looks good to me.

          1. Stokelona
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Jimenez is a good shout if you can’t afford vardy

            1. Relaxing
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Good advice

      3. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Considering a double up on Salah and Mane by doing these transfers for free:
        Pukki + Son to Connolly + Mane. (Connolly will be on bench).

        Or I could do a double up on Leicester:
        Pukki + Son to Maddison + Vardy.

        Which one is better?

        1. Relaxing
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Salah, Mane double up for me. Though I am thinking of doubling up on LFC defense soon, myself

      4. Top Lad Dakes.
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Will give Maddison a few more chances, but if he continues failing to deliver who would you ship for?

        Trossard as a punt if he gets back in the XI? I’ve got Mane KDB Mount (Dendoncker) rn. No clue how much I’ll have ITB

        1. George Sillett
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          CHO without a doubt.

          1. Top Lad Dakes.
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Would you be that confident in a CHO Mount Abraham triple up though?

            Fixtures are good yes, but have an off day like this weekend largely was and that’s 3/11 of your players got zilch. Bit risky if there’s other options like a Trossard for example?

            1. George Sillett
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Yes . Not worried about having all 3. Easy to ditch one if it isn't working out. Chelsea one of the most attacking sides in the PL.

              1. Stokelona
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Agreed, over a period of games I reckon the triple up could pay off. Also it’s not the end of the world if one is benched given how relatively cheap they are.

            2. Relaxing
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Chels offer great value. And you can almost guarantee creativity is going to come through those three. If you have a reasonable bench I would be very tempted

              1. Relaxing
                • 8 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Well shots rather than creativity for Abraham

        2. EMBOLOFAN
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          trossard only good for the next 2 really

        3. jtreble
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Trossard for me. Waiting patiently.

      5. EMBOLOFAN
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        completely theoretical question, how cheap would gab jesus need to be in order for you to consider him an option? 8m?

        seeing lots of scaremongering over aguero minutes but there is obviously another side to that coin

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          While Kun is fit (he’s surely still first choice normally, from Pep comments it somewhat had to do with extraneous circumstances of him not being in game rhythm) I’d be wary of considering him at all. Priced similar to Mahrez, maybe yeah as similar rotation risk.

          Should Kun ever be ruled out with an injury Jésus could become essentially essential even at 9.4m or whatever he is now

          1. EMBOLOFAN
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            yeah i had mahrez etc in mind when i suggested 8m. just curious really. would be interesting if fpl priced him more realistically

        2. Cok3y5murf
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          5.5. Cheap enough to bench without affecting the rest of the team.

          1. Top Lad Dakes.
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            He’d be basically ‘essential’ at that price.

            1. Cok3y5murf
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Nonsense. Wouldn't even be a good option. Just worth considering. Why would anyone pay more than that for a player that's started 3 out of 9 weeks?

              1. Top Lad Dakes.
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                I suppose. He almost always gets minutes though. And he’s scored in all of his starts

              2. EMBOLOFAN
                • 5 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                3 goals 1 assist

                1. Cok3y5murf
                  • 7 Years
                  4 years, 5 months ago

                  25 points in 9 weeks. That's all that counts. Ayew at 5.1 has 34.

                  1. EMBOLOFAN
                    • 5 Years
                    4 years, 5 months ago

                    3 of those games he didnt play a single minute so you get 3x autosub points

                    1. Cok3y5murf
                      • 7 Years
                      4 years, 5 months ago

                      Depends on the autosub, hence no credit to Jesus.

                      1. EMBOLOFAN
                        • 5 Years
                        4 years, 5 months ago

                        not interested in “crediting” anyone interested in how many pts my team gets

                        1. Cok3y5murf
                          • 7 Years
                          4 years, 5 months ago

                          Will get more if you don't rely on autosubs.

                          1. EMBOLOFAN
                            • 5 Years
                            4 years, 5 months ago

                            sorry that you cant follow my point

        3. Team Cruel
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Wouldn't even consider him at 4.4. Waste of City spot

          1. Top Lad Dakes.
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Now that’s harsh. I’d have him over a defender for sure rn 😆

        4. EMBOLOFAN
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          hes had more attempts on goal than wilson, haller, jimenez etc

          1. Brosstan
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Did you just discover the shots on target stat?

      6. jayzico
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        I pray to Jesus to start midweek.

        Kun(c) for weekend would thus be perfect.

        1. @persecuted_by_mods
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Jesus starting midweek wouldn't mean kun starts at the weekend, we should all know that by now

          • jtreble
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            It looks to me like Kun is going to play tomorrow.