Scout Notes

Son and Kane top the FPL points table as United’s defence crumbles again

Manchester United 1-6 Tottenham Hotspur

  • Goals: Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m) | Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m), Son Heung-min (£9.0m) x2, Harry Kane (£10.5m) x2, Serge Aurier (£5.2m)
  • Assists: Anthony Martial (£8.9m) | Kane, Aurier, Son, Ben Davies (£4.9m), Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (£4.9m)
  • Bonus: Son x3, Kane x2, Aurier x1

A ruthless Spurs thrashed a Manchester United outfit that started fast, were then reduced to ten men and ended up a shambles.

Thirty seconds into the game and it looked like it might be the visitors who would be the whipping boys as Anthony Martial (£8.9m) burst into Tottenham’s area and Davinson Sanchez (£5.4m) gave away a penalty.

The spot-kick was, as usual, put away by United’s most popular Fantasy Premier League (FPL) asset, the 20.7%-owned Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m), and visiting coach Jose Mourinho could have been excused for preparing a scowl similar to the one he wore during much of his tenure at Manchester.

The fact he left the pitch at full-time with the sort of smugly magnanimous smile that only a massive victory can produce was down to his side’s excellence, a misguided moment from Martial and a complete capitulation from the rest of the United team.

But amidst all the sound and fury of a truly bewildering game, the key Fantasy takeaway was the surprise presence of, and a brilliant performance from, Son Heung-min (£9.0m).

While Mourinho had suggested the midfielder might be fit to play at Old Trafford, a hamstring issue had his official chances down as 25%. That prompted a massive FPL sale, with a net 1,308,054 managers – well over half his total ownership – getting rid of the South Korean.

He responded by starting, scoring twice, assisting once, earning maximum bonus and recording 18 points for his second double-digit haul (the other brought in 24) of a remarkable start to the season.

Twitter users were in meltdown at half-time, with the hashtag ‘Took Son’ – as in ‘I took Son out of my Fantasy team this week’ – trending worldwide.

By the final whistle, that had been replaced by #OleOut as Gunnar Solskjaer’s men fell apart.

The rot didn’t even start with Martial’s dismissal, after 28 minutes, for an irritable slap to Erik Lamela‘s (£5.9m) face sparked by the Argentine’s weasly attempt to elbow the United striker.

VAR upheld referee Anthony Taylor’s decision despite also showcasing Lamela’s embarrassing theatricality and his massive culpability in the whole event. But Martial walked, Lamela received only a booking and the match hurried away from the hosts. 

In truth, it was already heading in that direction.

United’s lead lasted all of two minutes, with the fragility of centre-back pairing Harry Maguire (£5.4m) and Eric Bailly (£5.0m) – the latter preferred to Victor Lindelof (£4.9m) – exposed for the first of many times.

Maguire’s feeble attempt to head the ball clear created a panic in the area and the ball eventually fell for Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m) to equalise.

Three minutes later, Son put Spurs ahead when the new-look assist machine Harry Kane (£10.6m) was fouled, picked himself up and played a quick ball through to the midfielder, who dinked the ball over the advancing David De Gea (£5.5m) and in.

United responded, the lively Mason Greenwood (£7.4m) chalking up three attempts by the 23rd minute, but Son had already blown a great chance to double his tally before the Martial dismissal and it was one-way traffic from then on.

A minute after Martial finally trudged off, Spurs made it 3-1 when Bailly made a mess of trying to play out from the back, Kane pounced and played the ball to Son, who weighed up his options before squaring back to the striker for a simple finish.

Losing a striker should have at least meant United retained some semblance of shape at the back, but instead, enormous pockets of space kept opening up on their right flank and when Serge Aurier (£5.2m) was given the freedom to exploit this, he responded by setting up Son’s second goal.

It could even have been five by half-time, Kane missing a good chance from a near-post header, and that scoreline would not have flattered the visitors.

Solskjaer made changes at the break, shoring up his midfield by swapping out the blameless Fernandes and the pedestrian Nemanja Matic (£5.0m) for Fred (£5.4m) and Scott McTominay (£4.9m), but the fact Spurs only scored twice in the second half was as much to do with their own more relaxed approach than anything the United coach, or his players, did.

It was 5-1 on 51 when the rampaging Aurier smashed home from a brilliant Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (£4.9m) first-time pass and Kane finished the scoring with an unstoppable penalty after substitute Ben Davies (£4.9m) was taken down by a sliding Paul Pogba (£7.9m).

Solskjaer was suitably crestfallen at the end of the match, saying:

Today, it was almost like Christmas, too many mistakes all came at once. Too many mistakes against a good team and you’ll be punished. It’s very embarrassing.

What might make things worse for him is the crash in confidence of Maguire, the unreliability of Lindelof and the rustiness of Bailly. United seem close to bringing in a new striker (Edinson Cavani) and a left-back (Alex Telles), but the unaddressed weaknesses in the centre of their defence do not bode well at all, as 11 goals conceded in three matches makes abundantly clear.

In Fantasy terms, however, the plentiful owners of Fernandes can still look forward to a good schedule through to mid-December, while Martial’s three-match ban could mean out-of-position opportunities up front for midfielders Greenwood or, more likely, Marcus Rashford (£9.5m).

As for Spurs, Son is currently the most-bought Gameweek 5 player – it would be interesting to know how many of those purchasers sold him ahead of the United match – and Kane is also in the top five.

The pair have 89 points between them this season. United’s entire squad has 72, albeit from one game less, and owning Son and/or Kane looks highly advisable when their next four opponents are West Ham and Brighton at home and Burnley and West Brom away.

So reasons to be cheerful are many for Spurs fans and Fantasy owners alike, while Mourinho was similarly upbeat:

The squad is very good, that’s why we won these matches, rotating players, bringing in fresh legs… and then Lo Celso injured, Bergwijn injured, Bale working… look at the squad we have, look at the attacking players we have, plus Vinicius in the stand. It was an amazing performance. I’m very proud of everyone at the club.

That could all be construed as a bit of a dig at a United board he believed failed to back him in the transfer market.

One thing’s for sure – Mourinho’s successor at Old Trafford is the manager with all the worries at present.


Manchester United XI (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw; Matic (McTominay 45), Pogba; Fernandes (Fred 45), Rashford, Greenwood (van de Beek 67); Martial.

Tottenham Hotspur XI (4-3-2-1): Lloris; Aurier, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilon; Hojbjerg, Sissoko, Ndombele (Alli 69); Lamela (Moura 45), Son (Davies 73); Kane.

MEMBERS ANALYSIS

Lessons Learned from FPL Gameweek 4

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  1. The Overthinker
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Mr FPL is fit again

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 15 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      PVA goalllllll

    2. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      I thought Kun would be out for another month

  2. tiger
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    I know I should wait til the end of the IB but so tempted to make the transfers tonight ahead of price changes!

    1. Uncle John from Jamaica
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      I’ve done it as made £200k difference.

      1. tiger
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        yeah I can see it make quite a difference in prices by the end...just worried about injuries and stuff over the 2 weeks

  3. Uncle John from Jamaica
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Chaps

    Is the Reece James dream over? Looks like Azpi has his spot back.

    Thanks

    1. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Look like it

  4. grooveymatt65
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    what do people think of Aguero and is he a good option this gameweek?

    1. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Have to watch how he play in the next match before deciding

    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 15 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Is he on penalties?

      1. Blue Moon Rising
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Doubt it, de bruyne from now on as i see it

    3. Don Kloppeone
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      He’s the reason I’m contemplating Kane alongside Son so it’s an easier swap to Kun if it becomes a necessity!

  5. The_FF_King
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Anyone considering ASM on wildcard? He looked a beast at the weekend. Only 5.3 as well

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Yes. Have owned him since start. Injury hampered him but can be this years Adama.

  6. diesel001
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Arsenal:

    Leno
    Bellerin Gabriel Luiz Tierney
    Xhaka Ceballos Partey
    Willian Lacazette Aubameyang

    Runarsson
    Cedric Holding Mari Maitland-Niles
    Elneny Willock Saka
    Pepe Nketiah Martinelli

    Need to get rid of a lot of players though: Sokratis, Chambers, Mustafi, Ozil, Kolasinac, and Torreira

    1. FPL_trail_runner
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Wont get in the top 6.

      Very poor underling defence and attacking data. Have overperformed xg and xgc this year so far

      Wont keep this up unless they massively improve.

  7. FPL_trail_runner
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    After 4 weeks of data, things am i currently starting to question

    1) City premiums : are they still worth investment over other options - still expect huge returns, its just this year there are cheaper options matching them. There is also the poorish fixtures - no standout captain until week 10

    2) Spurs are actually creating alot with their underlying data being good, massive surprise. Part of doing well in FPL is admitting certain previous thoughts are wrong - i may need to go against instinct and back them on the double up

    3) Wolves could be done as a top 6-8 attacking team. Lots of player turnover and losing Doherty, Jota, Lwb has been far more deterimental than we expect- also many other options now at Jimi price

    4) If liverpool keep having this super high line - i will in weeks have to consider not keeping the double up. However i expect with Thiago back it will settle down. Ditto with Allison back.

    5) I backed Antonio since pre season to eventually be the Ings of this year. But wanted to wait until week 8. i may need to do like ings last year and ignore fixtures.

    6) Chelsea may actually be not worth investment all year - Cant currently see how Werner and Pulisic will work with Havertz, They all need a real no 9 which means one of them wont play. And then you have to add Ziyech and Mount into the equation.

    7) Arsenal - dont see anything worth fpl investment there for a long time, possibly the season

    8) United will still be worth investment. Rashford on the break in next 3 fixtures will offer value and points.

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Nice summary. Agree on much of it. Especially 2,3 and 5

    2. Don Kloppeone
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Nice summary and echoing a lot of my own thoughts.

      My overriding one though is that this is the season where all trends go out the window so far!

      1. FPL_trail_runner
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Cheers

        To be fair almost every season is like that with something bizarre becoming the season norm and we needing to adjust

        Can still recall seasons where dead players from the previous year became essential the next term

        Berbatov at United around 2011
        Agbonlahour at Villa around 2010
        Kuyt when Daglish came in
        Milner under Martin O Neil
        Mane last year
        Kdb last year over Sterling

        1. Don Kloppeone
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          I don’t think this season has started the same at all personally. It’s not been about a player or 2 surprising us and delivering, it’s been the majority of sensible stats, form, fixture analysis being useless in the face of some crazy results week in week out.

          1. FPL_trail_runner
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            I see what you mean, lots of that too

            Could also be the crazy results have some underlying trends which will continue

            Time will tell

            1. Don Kloppeone
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              As long as I end up somewhere significantly higher than I am now, I’m ok with the rollercoaster 😆

    3. Ron_Swanson
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Some good points

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Some lazy ones also

        1. FPL_trail_runner
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Chelsea can still do well but not be a good fpl team

          Rotation and Frank not knowing how to use them properly means paying 9mil for a player you cant predict as a captain is a valid idea

          1. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            You won’t find a lot of people to disagree with many of the premises you out out, but I tend to think that many of those things are over estimations and based on limited data And I bet you this comment looks really funny in four weeks of hindsight

            1. FPL_trail_runner
              • 4 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              For sure, but its not a prediction for the season, more what the data currently says

              More time will tell

              1. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                Yeah, not worth arguing about what we are all seeing, some will hold some will shift, overall just think you can’t take much from these first 4 weeks

    4. JONALDINHO
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Once Thiago is back Fabinho should drop to CB. It worked superb against Chelsea so once alisson is back they will be good. Not so good short term though

      1. Bushwhacker
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Agree. We played a massive high line yesterday partly because nobody has any faith in Adrian, backfired massively.

    5. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Interesting points but as an arsenal fan I’d have to disagree with 7. I think with a decent run of fixtures and with Partey close to signing our defence could be worth investment. Decent price and especially the wingbacks can be very attacking. Forward positions are tougher to call but Pepe could come in to his own in the next few months. Watch this space

      1. FPL_trail_runner
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Arsenals underlying data for both defence and attack is middle of the table stuff

        Partey who is good wont fix this.

        You guys will need 3-4 more in the door over the longterm. Arteta is maximising that squad and results are actually an over achievement currently based on the underlying data ( check out understat or other xG data sources which are always very close to reality over the longterm)

        1. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          I get underlying data can be important for some things but the eye test is substantially more important. We’re so much more solid than we have been in years and that’s despite playing David luiz. We’re set up to be much more compact and the work rate is much much higher than it has been in years. Don’t believe everything you see in an algorithm.

          1. FPL_trail_runner
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Its not an algorithm

            Its not predictive, its looking at the actual real match chances and shot types and areas you create and give up

            Arsenal have not improved in defence or attack under Arteta much at all. Results have slightly picked up though

            The odd good performance (mostly in the cups) has given the whole time their a more positive spin - but i do think in the long term he will trend towards making Arsenal a better side

            It will just take alot of time, 2 years at a minimum, maybe more

            1. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Try telling Jamie Vardy and aubameyang that. Players with low xG versus goals. Stats and data only take you so far. Take it from someone who goes to arsenal games a lot (well used to anyway) we have improved in many aspects that don’t always show up on paper. And it’s not just the odd good performance, our all round performance has massively improved over the last 9 months since arteta joined. It’s important to watch games as much as look at them in a spreadsheet.

              1. FPL_trail_runner
                • 4 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                They dont have low xG , both Auba and Vardy have excellent high xG. Check understat

                Their goals numbers is about 10-20% above average xG, which is to be expected since both are above average finishers. So with this factored in they are again matching xG projections

                These over-achieving results by Arsenal are just not longterm sustainable ( same occuring this year short term as last year in lockdown)

                https://understat.com/match/14099

                https://understat.com/match/14465

                https://understat.com/match/11953

                https://understat.com/match/12014

                https://understat.com/match/11993

                Objective measures will always wins over subjective.

                Its a science compared to eye tests.

  8. JollyGoodYellows
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Worth doing transfers tonight to beat the price rises or wait for the internationals?

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 15 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      What about the Covid?

      1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Who is he signing for?

        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 15 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Liverpool atm but he keeps changing his mind.

          1. Cookie Kid
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Is he a keeper?

            1. TorresMagic™
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              • 15 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Currently a mid.

    2. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Only if you are looking at getting son, jrod, dcl, grealish, kane. Their value will increase in the next few days, leading up to gw5

      1. JollyGoodYellows
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Yeah looking at getting Son and Brewster for Bissouma and Werner (-4)

  9. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    At around 6m, it will be Partey time

    1. Bushwhacker
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Defensive midfielder . . always big winner.

  10. Feed tha Sheep
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    United fans why are we not being linked to any CBs??Every player being linked the last few weeks have all been attacking players..the defence has been a shambles so far

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 15 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Just need to drop Maguire & it's sorted.

    2. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Have to ask ole and ed, our defence are miserable

    3. FPL_trail_runner
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Their defence is actually over the longterm (past year) producing better numbers than their attack (albeit this weekend and season has been very poor)

      Look at understat.com

      Their attack massively overperformed in lockdown ( lots of shots from long distance that cannot be relied on) which has made people rate their attack more than their defence

    4. Piggs Boson
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Manchester United is not a football club, it is a profit-producing business.

      You could argue it's naïve to think a football club is anything but a business, but I disagree. Football clubs hold a huge amount of meaning to millions of people and that matters imo. Football clubs should not exist to pay off debts or make profit, they're more than just a business. Every fan that spends money to support that club, should see that money spent on improving their club, not seeing rich men get richer. Over a billion has been bleed from the club in the same time that over a billion has been invested in City.

      I may being irrational right now, and I reserve that right to be irrational. My club has been abused, the stadium and training facilities underinvested and outdated, the recruitment dictated by morons. I want the Glazers out.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Would you rather support a club with state of the art medical research facibilities. We might cure cancer this year but no chance of promition.

      2. Feed tha Sheep
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        I agree with you..but why are they investing in two 18yr olds that haven’t played a full senior club game between them (£20+m too supposedly). Yes youth is important (and they may turn out to be great players) but at the minute United need to sort there defence/squad out and quickly, or the future won’t matter!

        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Don’t ask why, Woodward is why.

      3. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        As an American, I know all about them.. They don’t give two shits about the fans, embarrassing owners.

        They will NEVER sell that club though, Keronke would voluntarily give Ivan all his shares for a bag of chips before the glazers sell their prize pig.

    5. Ginkapo FPL
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Its not the cb's alone. United dedend with 3 players only

      1. Feed tha Sheep
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        True the problem probably comes from the midfield (pogba) not tracking back properly. Maybe should have went for Partey?

  11. Don Kloppeone
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    On WC:

    A) Maupay, KDB, Semedo, Castagne
    B) Kane, Zaha, Robbo, max 4.7

    Martinez, Forster
    Chilwell, XXXX, XXXX, Lamptey, Mitchell
    Salah, XXXX, Son, Rodriguez, Grealish
    DCL, XXXX, Brewster

    Cheers 🙂

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      b

      1. Don Kloppeone
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        No KDB scares me still but Kane on form and serving as a good placeholder in case Kun lights thing up.... could work

    2. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Would personally go with Maupay over Grealish...

      1. Don Kloppeone
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Don’t love the options at up to 5.2 mid if I went Maupay over Brewster in option B though

        1. FC Hakkebøf
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Brewster is gonna be perma benched anyway isn't he?

          1. Don Kloppeone
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Yes I agree. Maybe it’s just that I see Grealish (who showed already huge talent last season) being unlocked as a creative force and more likely to consistently deliver longer term than Maupay

          2. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            I think so, Wilder really favors the incumbent historically speaking and I think their system will take some adapting to

  12. camarozz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    On my WC

    Martinez

    Chilwell/Lewis*/kwp

    Son/kdb/Salah/Jrod

    DCL/Kane/Watkins

    (Bissouma/4.0/4.0)

    How can I improve defence without losing/downgrading anyone?

    Or should I reconsider Kdb?

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      That defence is shambles.. and you have no playing defenders on your bench

      1. camarozz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Well Chelsea and s'hampton might have turned a corner defensively no?

        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Chillwell is going to be a great pick, on set pieces until ziyech back

        2. FC Hakkebøf
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          You have to play KWP and Lewis week in week out.. not ideal

    2. FPL_trail_runner
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Like it

      Meslier is still the best cheap keeper for longterm.

      Watkins to Antonio for sure
      Maybe KDB down to Pulisic / Rashford, Lewis to Robertson

      Invest left over in Ayling / Dallas from one of the 4.0

      1. FC Hakkebøf
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        How can you even suggest Rashford?

        1. FPL_trail_runner
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Its about getting future points not what happened this week gone

          He has very good underlying data - i expect him to get close to or outscore Auba over the year

          He scored last week , and should have had another 10points on top if he simple waited with his runs

          The red card meant we didnt see much attacking from United

          They will still offer value

          1. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            The answer for them is to bench martial and start rashford up front with VDB on the wing

            10x the “striker” Tony is

          2. FC Hakkebøf
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            You are contradicting yourself.. you just spoke highly of getting double spurs because they were in form... and have you seen United's fixtures?

            1. FPL_trail_runner
              • 4 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              You can have both double spurs and a Rashford in midfield along side Salah, Hamez and DCL and Salah

              How does this countradict?

              Rashford can still be a good option, he didnt have much of the ball yesterday as United were down to 10 men

    3. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Have ro downgrade one of your mid, if you want to strengthen your backline

      1. camarozz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Grealish over Jrod?

  13. FC Hakkebøf
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Thoughts on this WC team?

    Martinez
    Robertson Chilwell Saiss
    Salah Son Pulisic Zaha
    Kane (C) DCL Maupay
    ___
    4.0 Lamptey Bissouma Ferguson

    Enough itb to upgrade Zaha to Rodriguez... Also like Grealish though. Need to pick two out of Pulisic, Rodriguez, Zaha and Grealish.. feels like a tough a call

    1. Don Kloppeone
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Nice. Like the Pulisic pick.

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Ditto

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Very very close to mine. Not sure if that's good or bad.

    3. Fit_to_drop
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      A risk picking Pulisic. Why not pick a similar playing team member who is up and running and switch over to Pulisic once he is firing?

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Cause he plays saints

      2. FC Hakkebøf
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Why is he a risk? He had a cameo last match and can now get back in shape over the IB

  14. Dynamic Duos
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Liverpool defender the only minus here , but Chilwell and Castagne are great picks imo

    Martinez
    Castagne Saiss Chilwell
    Salah KDB Bruno Son
    Maupay Wilson Antonio

    Steer Brewster KWP Mitchell

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Need to remove Bruno imo... Kane is a much better pick at the same price

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Disagree mate

        1. FC Hakkebøf
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Not a fan of the defence either. Would find a way to upgrade Castagne to Robbo.. (Pulisic over Fernandes 😉 )

          1. Dynamic Duos
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Tbh I'm just throwing drafts out I'm not WC , I'm just bringing Son in mate

            1. FC Hakkebøf
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Ah. Okay. We'll. It is always good fun to post different wildcard teams for reactions. What is your FPL ID? I would like to monitor you during the season if you don't mind

              1. Dynamic Duos
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                Just giving people others ways to set up teams and things to look at mate. 976766

      2. Don Kloppeone
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Agree as it stands

    2. Don Kloppeone
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Looks nice based on recent form but I believe that discount front line won’t last longer term as the right approach

  15. Ci Siamo
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Choose one for the WC?

    A) Son

    B) Kane

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      A

    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      A

    3. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Both. Son better value. Kane the better captain option

  16. bruuuno
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Should I do Havertz > Grealish now or next gw?

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Next

  17. Sune
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Martínez, Steer
    VvD, Castagne, Saiss, Lamptey, Mitchell
    Salah, KdB, H. Barnes, Foden, Reed
    Jiménez, DCL, Wood

    1 FT
    1.2 itb

    A) H. Barnes > Son
    B) Wood > Maupay
    C) Save FT
    D) Something else

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      A

  18. Pratik
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Steer/McCarthy
    Lamptey/Mitchell/Ayling/Justin/Lewis
    Bissouma/Sterling/Bruno.Fernandes/Salah/Rodriguez
    Maupay/Calvert-Lewis/Jiminez

    1.2 in the bank.

    Is Sterling -> Son the simplest transfer?

    City's fixtures with Ars, Whu, shu, liv, tot don't make Sterling tempting enough.

    1. soup natsi
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      I'm considering the same move. Think I will go ahead with it. Just not figured out how to spread the 2.5 yet.

    2. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Don’t sell Sterling

      1. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        This.

        1. soup natsi
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Would you captain him in the next 4 if you have Salah though?

          1. avfc82
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Yeah, I would in GW5.

            1. soup natsi
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              I might be biased but Arsenal defence isn't what it used to be, can see it being a tight game

              1. avfc82
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                Liverpool looked comfortable against them last week and scored 3, you don’t think City can do the same?

        2. FPL_trail_runner
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Agree with alot of your normal takes , but just to play devils advocate on this

          Hard to tell yet and see the reasons for holding with the longterm underlying data over past years (have sterling myself since week 2)

          But...

          City are in a 4th year of peps cycle, underlying data so far this is way down for attacking trends. Hard to know if its city on a drop off or the above average defences they have faced

          Part of me is starting to come around to the idea they are dropping off abit with the core aging - body language in second half at weekend looked like a team tired of the mental side of it

          And post lockdown data since beating Liverpool in a deadgame has also been poor in games where the opposition wasnt on holiday ( Norwich , Brighton, etc )

          Taking their past 10 games as a whole, and discounting teams who were on the beach , they are not putting up the same numbers.

          1. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Their preseason is about done now; throw it all out.

            Dias and Laporte are gonna do just fine

          2. avfc82
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Fair points, but I still see City as the best attacking team in the division, and once Laporte and Aguero, and to a lesser extent Jesus, Gundogan, Cancelo etc are fully up to speed we’ll see them step up again. Personally I‘d have no hesitation captaining De Bruyne, or Sterling if I owned him, next week.

            1. FPL_trail_runner
              • 4 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Agree here also, its my current position too with Sterling in my team

              But still willing to entertain the idea to find a way to hedge a winning position compared to the majority

              Cant shake the feeling its like RVP the season after Ferguson left,

              prior season was amazing and attacking numbers also, he then started the first few games under moyes with some nice hauls - but the longterm trend from the end of the previous season was pointing towards decline , which the full season of Moyes bore out.

              Hard to tell yet, Have heard some reports from Journo's that the dressing room pre -season was already starting to tire of the cycle

              1. avfc82
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds. I know Pep has spoken about the difficulties a manager encounters after 3 plus years, which is why I liked Lillo coming in.

                1. Pratik
                  • 15 Years
                  4 years, 27 days ago

                  Good thread, looks like you’re much more sold on Bruno to Son rather than Sterling to Son. I’m definitely confused now 🙂

                  1. avfc82
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 14 Years
                    4 years, 26 days ago

                    I like Sterling and Son, Bruno not so much, hence I'd make the switch. No need to be confused 🙂

    3. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      You need to upgrade that defence... Mitchell and Justin not gonna be around for long.

      1. Pratik
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Defence has been ridiculously unpredictable this year. I did well with 80 this week, with the midfielders and forwards. I still think we aren’t going to see many clean sheets and lots of goals for some time...

        Happy to get rid of Justin or Lewis gradually...

    4. shiraz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Keep sterling, would rather have bruno --> son

    5. Warby84
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Bruno our for Son... Sterling (C)

  19. chaser123
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Is Reece James a viable option? Is he expected to play most games?

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Not in fpl, azpi and Chillwell first choice

      Azpi will play the harder games, Reece will be useful when he does play, but expect a lot of rotation

    2. soup natsi
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Hard to say, Chilwell did well on the left and defensively they looked better with Azpi on the right. Not on option for me

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        It’s the unbalanced fullback approach, azpi practically a third cb last week

    3. Piggs Boson
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      The vast majority on here think he's been dropped, and it was always inevitable he'd be dropped for Azipilcueta and that all buyers are morons.

      But as someone who is partway through his 2nd coaching badge, and has read countless books on tactics and attended many lectures, including one in person on tactical periodisation by Jose, I'm convinced Reece James is crucial to the way Chelsea want to play moving forward. And when Ziyech returns Reece James will become one of the best value players in the game.

      The reason why Reece James was dropped is because the experiment with finding a Ziyech replacement on the RW was a failure, so the best alternative was CHO, someone who would stay naturally wide. The problem is that CHO occupies the same space as James, so Azpi was needed for balance sake. How you even begin to convince people of the convoluted intricacies of football tactics is beyond me, especially when they saw in a 2 minute highlight video of an awful defensive mistake from James, and assume he's awful, so they assume he was clearly dropped.

      But I'll at least say my piece, then I'll go on to sipping my ice cream ale and watching an Attenborough documentary. I expect to receive some snarky 3-word comment from a 12-year-old that receives a ton of likes, but I'm learning not to care. All I can do is say my piece and move on.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Havertz a laugh

      2. Ginkapo FPL
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Ziyech you out

      3. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        It’s not wrong, it’s just not what frank is doing imho

        Chillwell is going to be advanced on the left and azpi is going to sit back a la “unbalanced fullbacks”. Reece will definitely give him rests in easier games, but he has been a defense of liability for us a lot in the past 12 months and azpi is our best defender. I doubt you’re going to see many games where we go three center backs this year. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see Reese get some time in the midfield as a late substitute. He’s still 20; I like your tank I just think it’s a season too early

      4. Bushwhacker
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Appreciate that comment. Very interesting.

      5. Brosstan
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        This post sounds like satire. Don't know if it's funny or sad that it isn't

  20. The Suspended One
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Anyone want to talk me out of Bruno to Son?

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Nope. More cash itb as well

    2. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Nope, good move.

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Cheers, I rate your advice very highly here, appreciate the comment

  21. Ci Siamo
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Which combo is best?

    A) Kane, Klich, Dallas

    B) Son, Wilson, Coady

    1. Zrinkec
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      b for me

  22. jam sandwich
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    hows this for a WCT

    Meslier - Forster
    Chilwell - Saiss - Lamptey - KWP - Dunne
    Salah - Sterling - Fernandes - Son - Rodriguez
    DCL - Watkins - Brewster

    1. Zrinkec
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Similar to mine i though got maupay over watkins, robertson over saiss,grealish over fernandes.

    2. Fit_to_drop
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Risky defence to have a 5 star mid.

  23. shiraz
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Took a -4 for this, any other changes needed? Actually quite nervous about not having salah, but you can't always have the best of both world

    McCarthy (Ryan)
    KWP,* TAA, Saiss (Lamptey, Mitchell)
    KDB, Son, JRod, Grealish" (Anguissa)
    DCL, Ings, Jim

    * Reece, Fodden --> KWP, Grealish

  24. Zimo
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    United being linked with Pochettino. That was quick

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Quick? Should have happened the day he was sacked.

      1. Zimo
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Should have but didn't. Quick as in its only been 3 games for ole this year.

        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Still 10-20 matches too long

          1. Bushwhacker
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            If not more. Should never have been considered by Woodward wanted a lapdog.

  25. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Anyone on WC thinking of Nyland as 4 m bench goalie he has left Villa tonight by mutual agreement

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Who is villa no 2 now?

      1. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Tom Heaton when back and Steer until then

  26. MikeLowrey
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 27 days ago

    Grealish or Hamez on WC? Not sure whether to bring in Hamez to ride price rises as I may not have him in my final team

    1. Zimo
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 27 days ago

      Hamez better option

  27. Party time
      4 years, 27 days ago

      I am officially the winner of the most shitty start to the fpl season on ffs.

      Anyone below 6m here?

      1. Zimo
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 27 days ago

        Oh wow my condolences

        1. Party time
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Thank you Zimo. Still a long way to go considering I took a hit of -72 pts across the gws. Well, we will be back with a bang after the IB.

            I will take no more hits henceforth or rather just 1 😆

        2. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Star with ziyech and Werner?

          😉

          The best laid plans of mice and men..

          1. Party time
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Ziyech most likely 😉

              1. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 27 days ago

                Pulisic got me

                Again

                Will I ever learn?

                Probably not

        3. g40steve
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          Quiet happy with this bunch?

          Martinez
          Robbo, Saiss, Chilwell
          KDB, Salah Podence, Zaha, Son
          DCL, Wilson

          Steer, Lamptey, Mitchell, Delap

          1.8

        4. Ci Siamo
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          When Bale comes into the team, do you think it will benefit Son or Kane more?

          1. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Umm neither...

            1. Bushwhacker
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              Yeah that's my worry. Kane if anyone . . bit worried where Son fits.

        5. GE
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 27 days ago

          What do you think of this WC-team?

          (0.4 itb)

          Martinez
          TAA/Castagne/Chilwell/Saiss
          Salah/Son/James/Zaha
          Kane/DCL

          Bench: Button, Bissouma, Mitchell, Brewster

          1. dunas_dog
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 27 days ago

            Rather Barnes over Zaha otherwise very good. With transfer window closing will Zaha put same effort in?

            1. Warby84
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 27 days ago

              I think Zaha is worth the punt with their fixtures..