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15 January 2021 1918 comments
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There is a lot of talk in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) community about the importance of patience and knowing when to act and when to wait is widely accepted as a crucial element of success.

But even a casual perusal of the desperate lamentations that echo across fantasy forums on a Saturday evening will illustrate that, while we fantasy managers often fail to act when we should, we very often act when we shouldn’t.

In fact, it’s very hard not to act, it feels good to act, especially after a bad Gameweek.

So why is patience such a virtue when it comes to fantasy football? What does science have to say about this? The answer might involve marshmallows.

The Marshmallow Experiment

Aside from perhaps the Stanford Prison and Milgram experiments (1971 & 1963 respectively), few psychological experiments have gained the notoriety of the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment (1972).

In this study, young children were sat in a room with a marshmallow placed in front of them and were told that they could eat the marshmallow now or, if they waited 15 minutes, they would be given a second marshmallow.

Inevitably, some of the children ate the first marshmallow while some avoided temptation long enough to receive the second marshmallow. And some of them just cried.

Salah benched as Matip returns for Liverpool's Palace visit

What was most interesting about the Marshmallow Experiment is that they followed up with the children 10 years later and found that those who had resisted eating the first marshmallow had largely scored better in their SATs, performed better in school generally and even had healthier BMIs.

While there is some debate as to why this correlation between the ability to delay gratification and these various measures of success should exist, it exists nonetheless.

Much like tomato ketchup and a certain Irish stout, good things come to those who wait.

While the results of the Marshmallow Experiment are still debated, the idea that there is a link between ability to delay gratification and improved prospects of success in humans has, for years, been supported by high profile and influential figures ranging from psychologist Jordan Peterson to motivational speaker Tony Robbins, both of whom, in fact, consider this ability to be among the most important indicators of success in both children and adults.

Applying the Theory to FPL

So can we as FPL managers learn anything from this?

Well, one very obvious parallel exists if you replace marshmallows with free transfers.

You can have two, but you have to avoid using the first one.

I’m a huge believer in saving the second transfer whenever possible and, while I’m not aware of any studies on the subject, I know that there is a fairly strong correlation between the success of my transfers, how well I’m doing in FPL generally and how often I’ve been able to carry a transfer.

The most obvious reason for why this might be is that, whereas with one transfer your options are limited to players within the same price bracket as the one you’re getting rid of, with two transfers you have far, far more options.

A second reason might be that waiting a gameweek to make two transfers instead of one per gameweek gives you more time to think and reduces the likelihood that you will make some sort of knee-jerk mistake that you end up regretting.

A similar principle could be applied to when you make your transfers. This season, perhaps more than any others, has shown the benefit of waiting as late as possible to make your changes.

It’s generally accepted that access to more, and more current information will typically improve decision quality and FPL is likely no exception.

Of course, being patient is easier said than done, especially off the back of a bad Gameweek where the temptation to make a change, any change, is huge.

Here, we might take a leaf out of the children of the Marshmallow Experiment’s book in that some, in an attempt to avoid temptation, simply put their hands over their eyes.

In an FPL context, this might mean avoiding looking at player prices or even spending too much time thinking about your next transfer until a day or two before the next Gameweek begins.

The principle of delaying gratification could equally apply to when you use your chips.

Serious FPL managers have long been distinguished by their tendency to keep their wildcards and chips until later in the season and, while it doesn’t always work out as intended, this approach confers all sorts of benefits including the opportunity to take advantage of Double Gameweeks, a typically higher team value to invest in players and more knowledge of who the best teams and players are.

Of course, there are also disadvantages to being patient.

Just as cautious cavemen in the Paleolithic Era were less likely to be eaten by sabre-tooth tigers, they were also less likely to find food themselves, particularly if they were too cautious.

The benefits of delaying action in FPL must always be weighed against the benefits of taking it and distinguishing which is the correct course and when, is and always has been a big part of the skill to this game.

However, knowing that a bias towards patience generally (be it natural or forced through will) is likely to produce better results overall, should be a positive step in the direction of making better and more deliberate FPL decisions.

  1. Traction Engine Foot
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    I normally avoid premium goalies but do you reckon McCarthy to ederson is worth a hit for the next few games?

    1. Snooze ya lose
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Yep

    2. JBG
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Might be yes, City look solid at the back.

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      It's a decent shout yes.

    4. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      If its just for 2-3 weeks before WC yes go for it, Im going Mendy though, dont have enough money or ManCity spots.

  2. Salah(c)
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Would you bemch boost?

    Forster holding rowe mitchell

    1. fpork
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      No

    2. Nay08
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      no

    3. Effe
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      No

    4. gelisiguzel
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      would be such a waste

    5. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Not without a second playing keeper for sure.

  3. Legomané
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Just IMAGINE if every consecutive pair of FPL Gameweeks had formed a Double Gameweek so far this season — See how each of the Double GW19 Premium Captaincy assets would have performed 🙂

    https://twitter.com/legomane_fpl/status/1350069306625818625?s=21

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      You have too much free time hahaha

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        Great effort though

    2. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Can you highlight the fixtures (duos?) which Pogba played alongside Bruno... Research purposes.

      I was originally going to Captain him but he looks a tad tired, involved less with Pogba, and 4 YCs is an issue.

    3. JONALDINHO
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Bruno’s consistency is mental. Pity Pogba is back

    4. Ron_Swanson
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      very interesting! thanks

  4. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    What Play Up Pompey means ?

    1. Hooky
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Pompey Play Up

    2. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I need a rest .....

    3. Tambling5
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      'The Bells' 'The Bells' !!!

  5. manu4life99
    • 16 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    A) Kane > Vardy
    B) Laca > Antonio
    B) Kane,Laca > Vardy,Antonio(-4)
    C) Kane,Laca,Rash > Vardy,Antonio,Salah(C) (-8)

    Context:
    - top of ML but all rivals own Salah (& will prob Capt him)

  6. Nay08
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    need some thought.

    Martinez
    Dias/Robbo/Creswell
    Salah/Kdb/Bruno/Grealish/Saka
    Bamford/Watkins

    Button/Dallas/benteke/bernardo

    I plan to do Dallas to Coufal (1FT) and bench Saka.

    is that good enough? any suggestion for a better move?

  7. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Chances of Stones starting both games?

    1. Hooky
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      87.3%

  8. Garfield1001
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Would you BB this team with 1FT to use:

    Johnstone McCarthy*
    Dallas* Justin Coufal Lowton Robertson
    Soucek Son* Salah Fernandes Raphinha*
    Adams* Bamford* Kane*

    Currently have 7 non DGW players. Prepared to do a -8.

    Thanks

    1. Tanaka'd
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      What -8 would you do?

  9. FarkeMee
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Torn - who would you go without:
    Salah - poor form and poor track record v Burnley & Man U
    KDB - looked knackered. Could be rested as games are easy.
    Fernandes - 4 YC, could choose to get booked v Liverpool to miss the easy Fulham game rather than Liverpool I’m the cup.
    Son - would lose 0.5 and have to take another -4 (Zouma probably) to replace with Salah.

    1. Jon Snow
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I thought the 5 YC suspension can only be done in the league?

      1. Brosstan
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        And you would be correct

      2. FarkeMee
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        Thanks for clarifying. Still distinct possibility he could get booked against Liverpool - expect that game to be lively. If he misses Fulham, that’s the main attraction in GW 19. Also wonder if Pogba adversely affects Fernandes when he plays.

    2. unclesbasement
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      City's games are not easy. The table is so tight it would be risky for pep not to play him.

    3. Jon Snow
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Originally I thought Son but Salah is a gamble that could pay off

    4. Forgetmeknot
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I’m transferring Son to Salah but only have 0.1 tied up in him

    5. Guru Mediation
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Add to this that until Villa play again you can't be certain City will have 2 fixtures

    6. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Scratching my head on this too - but probably Son, and take the TV loss. He's also set to drop tonight. Don't dare to go without Salah or KDB this GW, and Bruno is so reliable, and got good fixtures.

    7. Mongreloid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Kdb

    8. Kabayan
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      How come you lose Son for 0.5?

      1. FarkeMee
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        TV for me on Son is only 9.3, I’ve had him a while. Took him out before Southampton haul, so brought him straight back and hasn’t left my team since.

        1. Kabayan
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 18 days ago

          You bought him at 9.3? If he drop to 9.7 you only lose 0.2 (sell value 9.5?)

          1. FarkeMee
            • 5 Years
            5 years, 18 days ago

            But if I want him back ( which I probably would in a week or two), I would have to pay 0.4 more ( if he drops, or 0.5 if he doesn’t)

            1. FarkeMee
              • 5 Years
              5 years, 18 days ago

              Sorry, sell value is 9.3

              1. Kabayan
                • 9 Years
                5 years, 18 days ago

                I see...
                But for me know, I'll ignore prices to get change for higher points.
                Looks like I'll sell Son for Salah (C)

    9. FarkeMee
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Thanks all - interesting that there is no consensus. Son out probably the most popular choice, but feels wrong before Sheffield, when he could hurt them on the break.

  10. gellinmagellan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Suggestions for what to do here?
    Leno
    Robbo Cancelo Coufal
    Salah Son Bruno Soucek Raphinha
    Kane Bamford

    Forster Adams Strujic Taylor

    1 FT 0.3 ITB.

    1. Tanaka'd
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Adams to Antonio (bench Raphinha)?

      1. gellinmagellan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        thanks!

  11. I Member
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Any objections to DCL + Son -> Antonio + KDB (c) -4?

    1. PrestigeWorldwidewidewide..…
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Probably worth it, do you have Kane?

  12. jayzico
    • 15 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Saka > Barnes, Mount or other DGWer. Got 7.4m and got 3 city

    1. PrestigeWorldwidewidewide..…
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Already have Soucek?

      1. jayzico
        • 15 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        Yup. Got 3 west ham

  13. sirmorbach
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Lads, after sound advice, I'm between the following and I'd much appreciate your thoughts:

    McCarthy / Steer
    Robertson / Dias / Cresswell / Saïss /  Dallas
    Salah / Bruno / Son / Grealish / Soucek
    DCL / Watkins / Bamford

    A. Steer and DCL out / Martinez and Antonio in (- 4)
    B. Steer, DCL, Robbo, Son out / Martinez, Antonio, Stones, KDB in (- 12)

    - 12 sounds too much, but bench boost could make it worth... I guess. What do you think?

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I think Robbo out as part of a -12 is a little foolhardy. A looks great to me.

      1. Eddie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        On second thoughts, you only live once as the kids tell me. I think KDB and Stones over next 5 fixtures will outscore Robbo and Son by more than 8.

        1. sirmorbach
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 18 days ago

          You're making me do it!

          Thank you, mate, I really do appreciate it.

        2. Eddie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          5 years, 18 days ago

          I'm personally considering Robbo in as part of an up to 20 point hit restructuring (Very much doubt I'll follow through). This double game week provides a decent opportunity to essentially WC with hits and restructure you team for coming
          weeks without too much risk. May lose a but of ground this week. But should make it up in next 6 or so.

  14. Thewonderfulgame
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Any Hammers Fans have an opinion as to whether Dawson keep's place?

    Balbs looks doubtful, but Diop is back, as is Fredricks..

    1. JBG
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Fredericks not a issue for CB spot though.

    2. Westfield Irons ⭐️
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Classic 'it's his place to lose' situation.
      Balbuena isolating, so might threaten when he's back.
      Diop just slightly out of favour at the moment.
      Fredericks not relevant to Dawson.
      At his price Dawson worth it for the double, but chance in long term he gets rotated...

      1. Thewonderfulgame
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        lovely context thanks. Imagine Dawson will start against Burnley given height and hopefully carry at least through DGW- will give it a punt

  15. PrestigeWorldwidewidewide..…
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Worth a -8 for this? I'll probably triple captain but don't think I'm in a good position for bench boost:

    DCL** + Podence** + Dallas* > Antonio + Soucek + Zouma

    *Single GW
    **Injured
    Current Team:
    Martinez
    Dias / Stones / Coufal / Dallas* / Mitchell*
    Salah / KDB / Bruno / Son* / Podence**
    Bamford* / DCL** / Brewster*

  16. seewhyaxe
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    (wrong thread)

    For GW19, probably TC Salah..

    Martinez
    Robertson, TAA, James, Coufal
    Salah, Bruno, Son, Grealish
    Watkins, Bamford

    4.0, DCL*, Martinelli*, Mitchell

    1FT 0.4m

    A) TAA + Son + DCL -> Dias + KDB + Antonio for -8
    B) DCL -> Antonio
    C) Son -> Rashford (only losing 0.1m on Son if I'm selling)
    D) Son + DCL -> Vardy + Foden -4
    E) Any other suggestions?

    1. claretparrot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      B or D of those, but it's not a bad team so don't force it

      1. seewhyaxe
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        Cool, thanks! No City asset though, so I'm worried.

        1. claretparrot
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 18 days ago

          Does TAA & Son > Stones & KDB work for a -4?

          1. seewhyaxe
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 18 days ago

            Yes that works.

            1. claretparrot
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 18 days ago

              It's the standout move for me

              1. seewhyaxe
                • 9 Years
                5 years, 18 days ago

                Thanks! Good on paper too, just quite a pity to lose TAA before 2 home games and Son against a game to Sheffield Utd!

        2. PrestigeWorldwidewidewide..…
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 18 days ago

          Was just going to say adding City would be a good move

          1. seewhyaxe
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 18 days ago

            Yea I'm still contemplating adding City.

  17. claretparrot
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    How about this as a roll of the dice? Would bench boost but would be without KDB

    [-4] Son & Raphinha > Foden & Grealish (/Barnes)

  18. the vanisher
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    A. Smith Rowe - Son
    or
    B. Soucek - Foden

    1. claretparrot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      If short-term, I'd fancy a play at B. Long term it's trickier

  19. Slurpy
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Play Saiss (WBA) or Lowton (whu, liv)?

    1. claretparrot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Tough one! Probably Saiss

    2. HaffNanner
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Saiss

    3. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Saiss

    4. Alberto Tomba
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Saiss

  20. Kane Train
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Anyone taking -8 or -12 and bench boosting?

    1. Mo Mo
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      many

    2. Mane Mane Mane
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I’m tempted but don’t know if it’s worth it

    3. Alberto Tomba
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Seems as though it could be counterproductive. All mine are playing once and I'm thinking to hold my chips (marshmallows)

    4. unclesbasement
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      -12 but triple captaining KDB

    5. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Might -16 and BB 😕

    6. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      It’s worth it if it also sets your team up nicely for next few games- not if just for BB

    7. Kabayan
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      -12 is my current plan and BB

    8. GreennRed
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Can't see the point. Dropping points to fill a bench that you'll end up using more transfers from GW20 to strengthen your 11.

    9. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Could pay off, depends.
      I think Im taking -4 and benchboosting to get it over with, 21-4 accoring to RMT, but its not as easy as that in many cases, the hits are probably in many cases for premiums with 2 games and so on...

  21. HaffNanner
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Robertson, Kane > Cancelo, KDB for -8?

    Feels wrong to lose Robbo with 2 home games but has to be done for KDB.
    Is it possible to go without KDB?

    Martinez
    Robbo Dias Coufal
    Salah Fernandes Grealish Soucek
    Kane Vardy Bamford

  22. Mane Mane Mane
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Martinez
    Cancelo Justin Dias Coufal
    Mane Grealish Salah Fernandez Soucek
    Bamford

    Bench - 4.0, Wood, Dallas, Adams

    Should I
    A) keep it as it is, no chip
    B) keep it as it is, play BB
    C) Watkins for Adams (-4) play BB
    D) Johnstone for 4.0 gk, Antonio for Bamford Watkins for Wood (-12) play BB.

    Sorry for repost, really struggling with this one...

  23. Vovhund
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Bottomed:

    Current team:
    Johnstone-McCarthy
    TAA-Justin-Coufal-Dallas-Stones
    Salah-Bruno-Son-Soucek-Raphina
    Kane-Bamford-Wood

    Would you do:

    A) TAA+Son+Wood to Holding+KdB+Antonio (-8)??
    B) Wood to Antonio (for free) and go without Kdb?

    1. Alberto Tomba
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      B personally. Patience required though

      1. Vovhund
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 18 days ago

        I'm leaning towards B, as well. But I would be hiding behind the couch...

  24. dandalf
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Would you bench boost this?

    Martinez, Bamford, Adams, Mitchell

    I know the chance of Mitchell to get any points at all is slim, bit the other three at least got a decent chance of points.

  25. cigan
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Hey!
    With BB active, would you do anything for a hit here (0 itb)?

    A) Dier > Coufal (-4)
    B) Dier, Saka > Coufal, Soucek (-8)
    C) Dier, Gundogan > Coufal, El Ghazi (-8)
    D) leave it as it is

    Martinez Johnstone
    Robbo Dias Dier Holding Lowton
    KDB Bruno Son Gundogan Saka
    Vardy Antonio Bamford

    1. cigan
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Another one:
      Son, Robbo > Mane, Coufal

    2. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      If it helps I’m currently considering A

  26. Kodap
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Is this a strong enough team/bench to be able to push the BB button this week? Would have 10 DGW players in total..

    Martinez
    Stones - Dier - Holding
    Salah - KDB (c) - Bruno - Soucek
    Kane - Antonio - Bamford

    Bench: Meslier - Dallas - Coufal - Anguissa

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Looks fine and should be big points if Leeds keep a clean sheet

    2. Westfield Irons ⭐️
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Does it come with a hit?
      If no hits, then yes for sure, you have 2 DGW players from bench and could do well with a Leeds clean sheet, so why not

    3. seanie3
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      does Antonio start both games?

  27. gellinmagellan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Leno
    Robbo Cancelo Coufal
    Salah Son Bruno Soucek Raphinha
    Kane Bamford

    Forster Adams Strujic Taylor

    1 FT 0.3 ITB.

    A) Son + Kane > KDB + Martial
    B) Son + Kane > KDB + Antonio (leaves 3 ITB)

    Anything else? Would like to keep one Spurs asset ideally :/

  28. Kevtheotter
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Johnstone Adams Dallas Bamford strong enough to BB for -4?

    Or TC KDB?

    Cheers

    1. WALOR
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      I don't think TC KdB until MCI are a little more opened up

  29. Klopp For The Kopps 😆
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    If you had to pick one
    A) Soucek
    B) Antonio

    1. Sarri-ball
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      Im having same problem

    2. GreennRed
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      A

    3. Vovhund
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      B

    4. Here's Tom with the We…
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 18 days ago

      A

  30. Iceball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 18 days ago

    Someone has a clue who has Covid at Aston Villa?
    It would be fail for the benchboost if you have player out there.