Scout Notes

Wilson misses pre-season friendly with ‘slight knock’ as van Dijk makes comeback

We’ve two more pre-season friendlies to report on from Thursday and Friday, as Liverpool and Newcastle United continued their preparations for the upcoming new season.

Leeds United also had a scheduled fixture but a ‘B’ team was sent to Fleetwood Town, so we’ve omitted that match for the Whites from this round-up.

Don’t forget to check out our comprehensive pre-season page for more information on the warm-up matches taking place ahead of Gameweek 1.

BURTON ALBION 0-2 NEWCASTLE UNITED

  • Goals: Jacob Murphy (£5.0m), Joelinton (£6.0m)
  • Assists: Isaac Hayden (£4.5m), Ryan Fraser (£5.5m)

Newcastle United’s first-choice front two were both absent at the Pirelli Stadium but there doesn’t seem to be much concern about either player from the Magpies’ camp.

Callum Wilson (£7.5m) wasn’t risked on Friday night due to a “slight knock”, while Allan Saint-Maximin (£6.5m) has not trained in several days due to illness and sat out his second successive warm-up game. 

With Martin Dubravka (£4.5m) injured and Karl Darlow (£4.5m) still recovering at home after testing positive for COVID-19 earlier this month, it was again Mark Gillespie (£4.0m) and unpriced Freddie Woodman who shared duties between the posts.

The unavailability of Wilson and Saint-Maximin saw Ryan Fraser (£5.5m) given an ‘out of position’ run-out alongside Joelinton (£6.0m) up top and both frontmen were among the attacking returns.

The much-maligned Brazilian ‘assisted the assister’ for Newcastle’s first goal, with Isaac Hayden‘s (£4.5m) fluffed effort falling kindly for the excellent Jacob Murphy (£5.0m) to volley home.

Joelinton then got onto the end of Fraser’s 47th-minute corner, having earlier been teed up by the diminutive winger for a shot that was cleared off the line.

Still in the 3-5-2/5-3-2 that Steve Bruce ended last season with, Newcastle’s formation is looking fairly settled going into the new campaign, with perhaps just one or two judgement calls on personnel to make.

The in-form Murphy – who almost scored a solo second goal – looks to have again secured the right wing-back slot with no sign of budget asset Javier Manquillo (£4.0m) in pre-season, although FPL’s irksome classification of him as a midfielder obviously puts a big dent in his appeal.

Newcastle United XI: Woodman (Gillespie 46), Murphy (Allen 83), Schar (Lascelles 63), Krafth (Clark 63), Fernandez (Watts 79), Ritchie (M. Longstaff 76), Hayden (Young 83), S. Longstaff (Lewis 63), Hendrick, Joelinton (Gayle 55), Fraser (White 55).

HERTHA BERLIN 4-3 LIVERPOOL

  • Goals: Sadio Mane (£12.0m), Takumi Minamino (£5.5m), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.0m)
  • Assists: Mohamed Salah (£12.5m)

While many attacking players from Manchester United and Manchester City are only just returning to training now following belated summer breaks, Liverpool’s key Fantasy assets have been up and running for a while.

Thursday’s defeat to Hertha was the third pre-season outing for Sadio Mane (£12.0m), Mohamed Salah (£12.5m) and Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.5m), each of whom are looking increasingly sharp ahead of Gameweek 1.

Andrew Robertson (£7.0m) and Diogo Jota (£7.5m) were also back involved against the Bundesliga side after a post-EURO 2020 breather but the headlines belonged to Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m) and Joe Gomez (£5.0m), who both returned to playing action after lengthy periods on the sidelines.

Neither player covered themselves in glory with their roles for Stevan Jovetic’s second and Hertha’s fourth goal of the evening but the 22-minute run-outs were less about the result and all about getting the central defensive pair back on the grass again ahead of Gameweek 1.

Jurgen Klopp said of van Dijk and Gomez afterwards:

[They] started immediately well and usually we all know that the fourth goal is a clear situation which saw and defend well. But that’s it. I’m not sure, 260-something days for Virg and not much less for Joe they didn’t play football, so it’s nice to have them back. It was the first step, really important. 

Nearly all are back, then during [the upcoming trip to] Evian they will pretty much all be back I think. That’s good and then we can really start preparing, involve them all, get used to each other again and all this kind of stuff. Then we have a tricky start away at Norwich, that’s how it is. 

The Reds fell 2-0 down before Mane bundled home at the second attempt to halve the deficit and Salah beautifully teed up Takumi Minamino (£5.5m) with a superb backheel to restore parity.

Hertha restored their two-goal advantage before Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.0m), again playing as the spearhead of the Liverpool front three in the absence of the holidaying Roberto Firmino (£9.0m), grabbed a late consolation.

The Reds ought to be in tip-top condition by the time their opening weekend clash with Norwich City comes around as they still have another four pre-season friendlies to contest.

Liverpool XI: Kelleher (Adrián 46), Alexander-Arnold (N. Williams 60), Konaté (R. Williams 46, Gomez 68), Matip (Phillips 46, van Dijk 68), Tsimikas (Robertson 46), Elliott (Jones 46), Keïta (Morton 60), Milner (Clarkson 60), Salah (Gordon 60), Minamino (Oxlade-Chamberlain 46), Mané (Jota 60).

482 Comments Post a Comment
  1. circusmonkey
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Let's say Kane moves and you have Salah as well.
    Who are you going to captain?

    Weeks 1 - 6 it isn't much of a problem deciding, only a week 5 decision.

    Weeks 7-12 is when City and Liverpool sorting by rotation (attacking) have the WORST match: I.E they have easy games at the same time and harder games at the same time.

    That's when Chelsea's fixtures improve and they have the best match against both City and Liverpool. So maybe that's the time to drop one premium, spread the funds and for gw 7, 9 and 11, captain a Chelsea player.

    I like the theory of having only one premium because you can only captain one and maybe you can use the funds better but maybe week 7 is the time actually to go for it.

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Salah

    2. Focus
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Under Tuchel I don't expect high numbers from mid/forwards. Since he took over in january, in all those remaining PL games only 2 players had a brace. Havert and Pulisic. I prefer Chilwell over mid/forward options.

  2. Lovren an elevator
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    What is going to happen with Martial this year?
    I feel he's either going to leave or surprise us all and outperform Cavani/Greenwood

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Thought they were looking to offload him?

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Seems to be his only option doesn't it

      2. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Hope so, but I can't see anyone paying his £250k wage.

        1. The Knights Template
          • 10 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Holy guacamole!

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            I think the board have learned their lesson with paying huge salaries now thankfully. Martial is a relic from an old foolish era.

    2. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Loan to WH incoming?

      1. The Knights Template
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        That would be interesting

        1. pingissimus
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Could even be plausible.

          Not sure how long Cavani contract runs for but if it's just one more season I don't see MU wanting to offload Martial necessarily if that leaves them with just Greenwood next time around.

          1. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            Cavani a full season I believe, but the issue is how long his legs hold out. I would expect him to keep going fine until Rashford is back at least, so I don't think Martial is first team. However, keeping him in reserve in case any one of Sancho, Greenwood or Cavani get knacked is probably a sound move.

          2. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            I think the plan is Haaland when his clause kicks in next year, hence the Cavani one-year extension.

            Haaland adores Sancho, so the board are probably hoping he'll be a big lure, along with reuniting with Ole.

            1. pingissimus
              • 5 Years
              2 years, 8 months ago

              That would make sense

              Though I suspect Haaland will want to make his next move to a team that is closest to winning and/or dominating the league. United may step up this season of course but as it stands in terms of trophy winning United would be a tad sideways for him.

              They'll need to earn Haaland if they want to fight off City Chelsea and quite possibly Liverpool.

              1. Piggs Boson
                • 12 Years
                2 years, 8 months ago

                I'm sure many would have said the same about Varane and Sancho. United have crazy pulling power.

                1. pingissimus
                  • 5 Years
                  2 years, 8 months ago

                  With respect neither are remotely in the same category - Haaland is a galactico. He can pick and choose any team in the world.

      2. devoncop
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        No way West Ham can afford Martial's wages.

        1. pingissimus
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Cheaper than buying a PL class starting forward - one way of kicking investment in the team down the line one year more.

        2. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          We wouldn’t need to. Utd would be happy if we were paying part of his ridiculous salary.

    3. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Would love him at WH on loan.

  3. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Is Veltman’s place in Brighton side secure with Lamptey injury and departure of White?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Pretty sure it is

      1. DavvaMC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I also wanted to know this. Who would be a better pick?

        A. Veltman
        B. Ayling

        I already have Raph.

        Thanks

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          They rotate very nicely.

          1. DavvaMC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            Problem I have is I have White in my team as well, and not sure I want to get rid of him?

            1. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              2 years, 8 months ago

              I've gone with Ayling and White myself, althou Veltman may turn out to be more attacking than White.

      2. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

  4. RUUD!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Between what Gameweek's does the league cup start for the lesser prem teams and then the big 6?

  5. zes
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone worried about Sanchez being first choice given Brighton signed a new keeper two weeks ago (Scherpen)?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Nope. The question is will Steele at 4m be backup or not. When Schenpen signed there was talk he'd go out on loan.

      1. zes
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        cheers

    2. Oscar Slater
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I'd be more worried about Shane Duffy playing in front of him if I was a Sanchez owner. Clean sheets would be non existent.

      1. devoncop
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        From what I hear from Brighton fans Potter is more likely to play himself as centre back than trust Duffy to do a job as there :-).....they don't get on apparently.....

      2. zes
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Idk I've always thought of Brighton as a system team. I'd assume they bring someone in to replace White.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Webster, Burn and Veltman are by no means shabby.

  6. R.C
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    ManCity's £100M bid for Jack Grealish triggered the clause in his Aston Villa contract. Grealish is expected to sign a five-year deal to become a
    ManCity player next week, earning more than £200,000 a week.

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      And yet Martial gets 250k a week.

    2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Kane to United it is then!

    3. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      What a signing that would be. I wonder if he'll play as a false 9. Depends if the Kane rumours are true, I guess...

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Has to be on the left surely. Maybe he outs Sterling permanently

        1. El Presidente
          • 4 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Or Sterling plays that n.9 spot

    4. Hairy Potter
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Will be interesting to see how him and Pep get along.

      1. El Presidente
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        It will be beautiful

        1. Hairy Potter
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          If Grealish does as he's told.

  7. R.C
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Leeds have signed goalkeeper Kristoffer Klaesson from Norwegian club Valerenga for an undisclosed fee.

    1. R.C
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Very good signing - not sure if this puts Meslier at risk or not though

    2. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Surely backup

      1. devoncop
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Definitely a back up. Leeds didn't have a senior back up keeper until this signing.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Just replacing the racist guy.

  8. marcos11
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this?

    Sanchez 4.0
    TAA Shaw Digne Fofana 4.0
    Salah Son Sancho Raph 4.5
    Watkins Antonio Toney

  9. Lignja
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    If kane does not move think im nearly set, only betwen this 2...

    A. Jota, Digne
    B. Coufal, Grealish

    Sanchez, 4.0
    Taa, Shaw, xxx, White, 4.0
    Salah, Bruno, Buendia, Raphina, xxx
    Antonio, Watkins, 4.5

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. Thinkering like a Boss
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I like B

  10. Ginkapo FPL
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Comeback should be in quotation marks in that article title as well

  11. Mukarram
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Please I need help to justify my team
    Martinez+ 4m
    Stones Shaw fofana Alexander sirralta
    Salah Havertz Fernandes Rafhinha + 4.5
    Toney Watkins +4.5

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I’d wait for gw7 with Chelsea as the first 6 aren’t great. I would go Martinez, stones & havertz to Sanchez, 4.5 def & son

      1. Mukarram
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks I ll adjust it

  12. Carlton P
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    I can’t see past TAA, Robbo + Digne for value, points, ‘price points’, fixtures

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      What does the midfield look like?

      1. Carlton P
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Sanchez l Foster
        TAA l Robbo l Digne l Veltman l Ayling
        Salah l Bruno l Raphinha
        I Sarr l Harrison
        Watkins l Antonio l obafemi

        1. The Pesci challenge
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah good solid team

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I cant see past how they ruin my attack...

      1. El Presidente
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah and than you get those 2 pointers for the opening fixtures and in the meanwhile Antonio bangs brace after brace... not pretty

        1. Spab
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          'Antonio bags brace after brace.' How many goals do you think he's doing to score this season? 1 every 2 games would be a great return. I've got him in my team, but if I had to choose between him and the Liverpool full backs, he'd be the one to go.

        2. Carlton P
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          If they get 2 pointers and Antonio bags a brace I’m ok with that as I have him. Swings and roundabouts innit

    3. Spab
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Over the season, assuming Liverpool are better than last year, TAA and Robbo are superb value. Yes, there'll be as many disappointing weeks as hauls, but that's the nature of the game. Set and forget.

      1. El Presidente
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I cant play this game like that. For me there is no "set & forget" there is "set" if you're performing and "forget" if you're rubbish.

    4. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      TAA, Robbo and Shaw in my case, but yeh.
      Got Salah and Bruno and 2 other useful mids (from Leeds)
      Cavani and Bamford up top.
      Looking good to me

    5. 3 A
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I can pick Robbo anytime I want alongside Trent as I have 2 mil ITB but for that price Robbo must have att points with CS too.

      At 2nd half of the season when Trent start bang in gw30 after bad performance from all their players , Robbo just quite until get two assists in gw37.

      Dont think worth 7mill with that return. I pass.

  13. zes
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Does anyone know how much training a PL footballer needs to get up to speed? Is it realistic for Shaw to return on Monday and play 12 days later?

    1. zes
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      *return to training, for clarity

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      well, its not like he is rusty, he has been playing.

      His fitness is the only concern. I think he will play, especially now that Telles is out.

      1. zes
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        yeah good point with Telles. Even if he did miss the Leeds game, I'd still be tempted to put him in anyway, because I'd play Ayling who would be a ironically have a better chance of attacking returns with Shaw out

    3. Oscar Slater
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Given his build, I suspect Shaw will go the way of Razor Ruddock as soon as he stops playing so I'd imagine he'd need more time than most to get back into match fitness.

    4. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Takes me about 45 minutes to get up to full fitness, so not buying this

      1. Gomolon
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Takes me 45 minutes to manage a press up

        1. Camera308
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

    5. Hairy Potter
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      It's not like he's had 2 months off in the sun and hammering the all inclusive food somewhere. He probably won't have lost that much fitness since the Euros.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Top players have gyms at home, some go on social media showing photos of them training on holiday

      2. RichardNixon
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        If he hasn't been training then he won't be anywhere near match fitness. Two weeks without training makes a world of difference. And he isn't the only one I have question marks over for GW1. Utd have one friendly before the season starts and Fernandes hasn't played a minute in pre-season. Plenty of other players from other clubs in the same boat.

        1. RichardNixon
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Even if some of these players play in the first couple of game weeks they will be off the pace compared to their teammates. Could be some disjointed performances from the bigger sides.

          1. zes
            • 8 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            This is a really interesting point, DCL another with 0 minutes. I'd love to see an analysis of whether pre-season minutes has an effect on performance in the first few weeks for past seasons.

            1. RichardNixon
              • 7 Years
              2 years, 8 months ago

              I'm surprised its not getting much attention on here. I have had Fernandes since my first draft but it's hard to justify keeping him if he doesn't get minutes in pre-season.

    6. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Telles injury is the biggest positive for Shaw starting.

      1. devoncop
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Though not necessarily the biggest positive for the prospect of a Man U clean sheet against a very high tempo and fit Leeds side in GW1....

        1. Weak Become Heros
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          A fair comment.

  14. Fans' return: The downsides
    Hairy Potter
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    I wonder if the return of fans with have a positive or negative impact on teams this season.

    Still not a lot of love in Newcastle for Bruce and some of the performances last season rank up there with their worst in the Premier league era.

    West Ham had a great season, but they are another set of fans who might get on the players' backs if not performing.

    Will be interesting.

    1. Gomolon
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Hopefully it should spur them all on to perform, although yeah in Newcastle's case could be a chance to vent a year's worth of frustrations against their owners

      1. Hairy Potter
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        and the manager, and the Premier League for scuppering the Saudi buy out.

    2. zes
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Bruce has been getting booed in the preseason games. There'll be some nasty atmospheres at SJP this season.

      1. Weak Become Heros
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Sack off Wilson?

        1. zes
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Hmm not sure it will effect Wilson necessarily. Wilson recently posted on twitter about how it was good to play in front of the fans for the first time and he scored that game. He is ruled out of the next friendly with a knock. I don't have him personally, just better options at that price point imo, but then I'm a pessimist when it comes to my own team. He's not a bad pick by any measure.

          1. Weak Become Heros
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            Yes I see that, the geordies do seem to like him too.

            I’ve currently got Watkins, Wilson and Antonio up top.

      2. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Yep clocked that booing of Bruce

        Newcastle have yet to buy anyone yet and they are running out of time to get anyone new who will be fit for week one - unless its Willock who is already part settled there.

        Look at their squad minus Wilson and ASM and it is frighteningly thin. Lose week one and it's not hard to see things going south there with two tricky away ones in 2 and 4 before they get Leeds in week 5.

        1. zes
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          aye the fans hate Bruce and they haven't been scared to show it in the past with Souness, McClaren, Carver, Kinnear etc . Add in frustration with the ongoing takeover saga and if we lose a few matches the atmospheres will be horrible.

      3. Hairy Potter
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        A lot might depend on a decent start. Wilson and ASM recovering for the start of the season could be very important.

    3. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      +ve

    4. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Helland Road will be back to its bear pit best. Hard to see any away teams getting joy.

  15. Gomolon
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Liking the look of my latest draft, any reasons I should tear it up?

    Sanchez

    TAA / Shaw / Digne

    Salah / Sancho / Mahrez / Raphinha

    Watkins / Antonio / Toney

    Bench: Foster / Ayling / White / Brownhill

    £0.5m ITB.

    Gives me some change for an early transfer when those 0.1m increases can hurt the most. Ayling and White rotate so I always have a good bench option in case a starting player has an awful fixture

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Nope, good to go.

      1. Gomolon
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Thank you! 😀

  16. JohannaAdams10
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Do people think Grealish becomes more or less appealing if he goes to Man City?

    1. El Presidente
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Less

      1. Focus
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Agree, only Watkins for me atm. Wait and see if Buendia can step up

    2. Gomolon
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Less, unless he nails down a false 9 role under Pep

    3. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Much less

    4. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Considerably less mate.

    5. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I can't help but think the team is going to be built around him as a number 10. But that's just a hunch. Having said that there is always high chance of rotation with any of the city boys (minus GK).

  17. Danstoke82
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Morning all, need some advice please!

    I’m really struggling on the Bruno conundrum. Do I or don’t I? Wary of missing his hauls but having him and the Salah, Trent (both nailed on my draft) and Robbo really cripple the rest of the team giving me Obafemi on my bench.

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Has not left my side since game opened.

      1. Danstoke82
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Do you have the Trent-Robbo double up too?

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          no

    2. Hairy Potter
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      For me it's still down to Bruno vs Son and what I can do with extra money.

      Still undecided.

      I think my bias of not really liking Bruno is perhaps skewing my view on him being a FPL point machine. I may or may not get over that!

      1. Danstoke82
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I’ll have to sit and think on it, highly tempted to just have Trent and Salah but keep Bruno alongside , Havertz with Raph.

      2. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        If Kane leaves, I'm not overly interested in Son. Not saying he won't score well without Kane, but they were a lethal partnership, and imagine a lesser score to last season.

    3. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      He just gets points mate. If Sancho/Son looking to match its an easy downgrade. Start with him.

      1. Danstoke82
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers! Think I’ll keep and downgrade Robbo

  18. The 12th Man
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    No one going with Saka?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      People like ESR more at the moment

    2. Joey Tribbiani
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Very much on the watchlist for gw4. Might not play week 1, then Chelsea and City

    3. xHaTr
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Will look at Arsenal attack from GW4. Saka could be great value but Smith Rowe could be even better value

    4. 3 A
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Pepe is better pick than ESR and Saka even not mentioned so much in this site. They all need 5.5 to enable some players, thats why he famous.

      1. The 12th Man
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks.

    5. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I'm on pepe with 0.5 in the bank at the moment. A lot more flexibility for gw2 transfer

  19. xHaTr
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this 4-4-2?

    Main downside would be starting a 4.5 defender each week but its not a disaster given it gets me the premium defence plus Son, Salah and Bruno

    Sanchez
    TAA Shaw Digne Lowton
    Salah Beundia Bruno Son
    Toney Antonio

    Steele Ayling Brownhill Obafemi

  20. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Because everyone’s RMTs are the same 😉

    Bachmann
    Trent | Shaw | Ayling
    Son | Sancho | Mahrez | Jota | Raphinha
    Kane | Pukki

    Foster | White | 4.0 def | 4.5 str

    1. xHaTr
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      No Bruno no Salah hit the reset

      They are in everyones teams for a reason!

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I said this yesterday, now they are both 12m+ it’s a different game IMO.
        I agree you should have one though

    2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Could have Sarr & Toney instead of Raph & Pukki

    3. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Kane perma C

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Been reported he doesn't play GW1. Does White cover him? Captain?

        1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Oops keep forgetting!

    4. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Who are you captaining?

    5. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Respect the originality but parts I don't like are: 1. both Mahrez and Jota are subject to rotation - one would be wiser esp. with no bench. 2. No bench. 3. Pukki's opening fixtures. The rest I like.

    6. schlupptheweek
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I think it looks pretty good. Pukki isn't as bad a people make out, the one which could be very frustrating is Mahrez, you could get Havertz and keep the 0.5M in the bank to see how Mahrez and Foden/Torres/Gundogan and maybe Grealish perform vs Norwich.

    7. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Is that 100m team?

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Yes

  21. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    If I’m playing a Back 3 each GW of TAA, Digne & Coufal, is there any point having a 4.5m DF on the bench? Not gonna play them for the first 4 GW’s?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Of course. Always a chance one gets injured or rotated.

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      if you are planning to WC early, then it might work. Always good to have a backup in defense since any surprise benching/injury will result in 10 men.

    3. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Might be worth the risk if you can spend the 0.5 well.

      If TAA is out any 4.5 is a probable 2 pointer given that you can't pick and choose fixture. The more serious loss would be having a forced transfer the next week possibly.

    4. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Imagine if the Knights of the Vale didn't turn up at the Battle of the Bar Studs. You'd end up with that invisible guy from Misfits running amok! You need backup.

  22. El Presidente
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    These are my thoughts;

    @442 gives you the most balanced team but only 6 attacking players.

    @343 gives you the best out of those great 7.5-8.5 forwards but very unbalanced if playing Salah+Bruno+Son

    @352 gives you the balance+ the golden trio but you're left with just one 7.5-8.0 forward + unpredictable Toney.

  23. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    quick question - who will be the centre back pairing for leicester and spurs?

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Soyuncu-Evans-Fofana

      Not sure about Spurs

      1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        who would you say the 2 are for leicester if they play a back 4?

        1. Holmes
          • 10 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Evans and Fofana imo but consensus here is Evans and Soyuncu.

      2. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Evans not yet fit so starting pair for Foxes is obvious. Spurs in a mess - the nailed-on imminent transfer of Romero looks to be on the rocks just after they gave away Aldie.

        1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          currently got fofana and sanchez [spurs] but unsure if they are starters even with a tactical formation change for their teams

          1. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            Spurs were trying to sell off Sanchez earlier. Dunno if Nuno got them to keep him or what. The back line appears a mess in terms of who goes, stays or comes in.

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Bubbles and Julian

  24. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    The game is easy if you now how to play it.

    4.5m
    TAA Coufal 4.5m
    Mo Bruno Son Buendia [Mbeumo/Dallas]
    Ollie Antonio

    Ayling 4.5m mf

    1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Buendia to Sarr and Coufal to Shaw LT

    2. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      I had that perfect draft there 2 days ago. By yesterday it looked rubbish.

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        nothing wrong with it. The 4.5m def wont make or break your team first 3 weeks.

    3. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      ...or....

      Lose Ayling for 4m fodder and upgrade Coufal to Shaw/Digne/WanB for first 3 weeks.
      Spend trades on 4.5m def for first 3 weeks potentially.
      WC first International break.

    4. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Just made a similar draft with Salah-Bruno-Son, managed to fit Toney upfront instead of Dallas in midfield.

    5. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Not so easy with 10 players...

      1. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        ahhh see what you did there in brackets. Threw me

      2. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Last time I looked this was 11...

        4.5m
        TAA 5.5m 4.5m
        Mo Bruno Buendia Dallas Son
        Ollie Antonio

    6. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Essentially my set up as at now bar I have Tierney over 4.5 and Toney up top

      My 5.5 mid selection is currently between Fraser and Townsend. Dallas overperformed XG by a huge distance last season and reversion to wrong oop can't be ruled out. Was on Mbeumo but preseason looks wrong for him so far.

    7. Hairy Potter
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Looks really good with an early WC planned.

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Son could be Mahrez of course.

      2. Hairy Potter
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Maybe I should forget about Mahrez and go with Salah, Bruno and Son.

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          tough call that. not sure how to get my head around it tbh.

      3. Hairy Potter
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I'm definitely tempted by Townsend. Good initial fixtures, a manager who has worked with him before and I can see him putting in cross for DCL.

        1. Hairy Potter
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Reply fail to Pingissimus

      4. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Actually part of my thinking is that this set up is a hedge against early WC

        It's essentially choosing price points.

        Son can be Mahrez Havertz Sancho Grealish
        Bruno could be Kane
        5.5 mid can be Digne Shaw

        Think it's pretty flexible especially if like me you are fairly hit happy. Multiple 6.5 7.5 makes life harder as I see it to move cash round.

    8. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Can't really argue with any of this.

    9. R.C
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      You won't win FPL with that, maybe just top 10k finish

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Excellent. That would be my 7th top 10k finish. I will settle for that.

    10. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Mo, runs, TAA are cost of entry & obvious

      Personally had Coufal & Watkins for over two thirds of the season last year at 4.5 & 6.0

      They did good, but didn’t leave enough good memories to outweigh the doldrums periods they both went through, just really bored of them basically, and can’t bring myself to pay 5.0 & 7.5

      That isn’t necessarily a good thing either mind you as I wouldn’t put anyone off them, they’re just not for me this year - I got sick of defending Watkins all season every time he went a game without a goal & explaining how he’s actually quite a decent 6.0-7.0 forward every time he went a game without a goal the “WATKINS IS AWFUL”, “WATKINS IS DREADFUL”, “WATKINS IS A CHAMPIONSHIP STRIKER” nonsense was out in force on here without fail - and I’d imagine it will be again soon enough (and it’ll still be wrong)

      Even that pillock from FPL Family was jumping on that particular bandwagon the idiot, insulting him & calling him talentless on Twitter

      Dallas I don’t agree with at all as a 5.5 mid I think he’s doomed to around 110-120 points unless he somehow blows his XG out of the water by about 100% again, and even then he’s only looking at 130-140 (way less than Soucek’s 150 which was disappointing at 5.0, let alone 5.5)

      Dallas in a rotation is asking for even more trouble imo - introduces the risk of not even getting the 110-120 out of him

      Antonio is class, but also glass

      Son is class, another one I had from GW1-GW36 last year - but want to see how Nuno is going to use him before throwing 10.0 at him. If he’s a focal point/Kane replacement, and on penalties etc - I’ll look at getting him in - not starting with him

      Buendia - agree

      I think you’re exposed to Nacho, Raphinha, Bamford & Toney - these guys I see having excellent chances of big, big seasons, so much going for them all

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        *Mo, Bruno & TAA - predictive text bollocks ugh

      2. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Dallas/the 5.5m mf is up for grabs I agree.
        Nacho/Raph/BAmf/Toney could be gold I agree. That team is just for first 3 weeks and I will reassess with a WC after wk 3 and obv consider the ones you mention.

  25. Eze Really?
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    A friend of mine who is brand new to FPL but an absolute maniac when it comes to fiddling with stats; came to me with his proposal of how to go about FPL. One thing for sure, he never listens to anyone so I had no influence on his thoughts. (Quite refreshing actually)
    The first thing he said was he does not consider the budget to be 100mil. He says it is 36mil based on all players are 4mil or more so it is silly to think different.
    He said the captain pick and price changes messes up his brain so he took an attitude as follows:
    He readjusted prices for example Shaw being 1.5mil, Havertz being 4.5mil and Salah being 7.5mil.
    This "blew my mind" a little because I started to think the % of real cost is far higher with the premiums (Salah 18.75% of total value, instead of 12.5%)
    My immediate retort was "but Salah will get double points". He said every captain does but he realigned calculations to halve the captain cost.
    In a very simplistic way he calculated his first draft based on points per 90 minutes. His bias being Leeds United who he supports he told me Meslier at 1 mil gets him 154pts for 35 games being 4.4 points per game costing him 2.5% of his budget.
    He accepted he had to spend all the 40mil on his players to get optimum results but concluded by saying he will spend top$ on a captain but think very carefully on buying premium players who generally can't compete with other players on offer.
    I told him the game is far more complex than that. He replied by saying "WELL, ITS A START ISN'T IT"

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Post his team when he's done please

      1. El Presidente
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Exactly!

      2. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        I surely will. I am already chasing him. I know he chose 3 Leeds.

      3. OPTA FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Similar to template here

    2. suddenorgan
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Budget is £40m right? 100-(15*4)?

      Thinking of your finances like that really illustrates how important price changes are.. later in the season £4m in profit is actually 10% of your "liquid" team value.

      1. Eastman
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Think I’ll just copy his team when you post it if he’s put that much work into it.

        1. Eze Really?
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          More my explanation than his thinking I guess.

      2. OPTA FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        More than that
        4 only for gk df base
        4.5 for mid fw

        4x7 +4.5x8

      3. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        This is how he made me think. Also he said if prices drop then it is like taking .5mil rather than .1mil. That is a massive difference comparing .5 in every 40 compared to .5 in every 100mil.

    3. R.C
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Budget is actually 28m

      1. OPTA FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        36?

        1. R.C
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Mids base price is 5.5 as there are not really any options under 5.5 we would consider
          Same way forwards base price is 6

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            As said above he is taking a simplistic viewpoint. I could make a lot of holes in his thought process but he seems to have some fundamentals on the button.

          2. OPTA FPL
            • 12 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            But if you play 3-5-2 or 4-5-1 or 4-3-3, 4.5 mif fw still count

        2. R.C
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Just last attacker slot (mid/fwd) base price is 4.5

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            Good point. I think he is just using a starting point

            1. OPTA FPL
              • 12 Years
              2 years, 8 months ago

              With his thought, pretty sure he will get Dallas. Bookmark it

              1. Eze Really?
                • 9 Years
                2 years, 8 months ago

                Yep. He won't even know position classifications from last year.

              2. Ginkapo FPL
                • 12 Years
                2 years, 8 months ago

                Of course he will if no one points out Dallas was classified as a defender last year

                1. OPTA FPL
                  • 12 Years
                  2 years, 8 months ago

                  130-150p still very good for 5.5. Last year he played 18 games as rb lb

                  1. Ginkapo FPL
                    • 12 Years
                    2 years, 8 months ago

                    Try 120pts after taking away defender clean sheets and some of the baps

                  2. Eze Really?
                    • 9 Years
                    2 years, 8 months ago

                    All about position. If Firpo is nailed then maybe more midfield outings?

                  3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    2 years, 8 months ago

                    It’s really not dude

                    Use Soucek as an example - he smashed it out of the park last year at even cheaper - 5.0(!) with 150 points…

                    Yet was one of *the* most frustrating assets in the game, and regularly criticised/slated on here.

                    Mainly due to the unpredictability of points

                    Dallas is doomed as a 5.5 mid imo unless he gets some gargantuan luck and goes 60, 70, 80% above his XG (which isn’t impossible) but those arent the type of points I want to chase after personally

      2. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        ?

    4. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Min value GK = 4.0
      Min value DF = 4.0
      Min value MF = 4.5
      Min value FW = 4.5

      Therefore budget is 100 - (2 GK x 4.0) - (5 DF x 4.0) - (5 MF x 4.5) - (3 FW x 4.5) = 100 - 8 - 20 - 22.5 - 13.5 = 100 - 64 = 36m

      But doesn't this push you towards cheap at the back because you can get Sanchez / Steele, White, Ayling, Dier, Digne and Shaw for 5.0m which is only 14% of your budget.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Spot on mate. It makes his argument stronger though doesn't it?

        1. diesel001
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          I would suggest his team will end up something like:

          Sanchez
          Shaw - Digne - White - Ayling
          Salah - Fernandes - Son
          Antonio - Watkins - Bamford

          Steele - Dier - Brownhill - Gilmour

          Maybe he goes DCL instead of Antonio or Sancho instead of Son or upgrades Steele.

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            With his logic he could end up with Willock and all the other limited gam time performers. I doubt it though; he is a slightly deeper thinker IMO

          2. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 8 months ago

            3 Leeds though

      2. OPTA FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Should be 35.5, you cannt play with 2x4.0gk, must be 4.5

      3. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        If you arent going to captain Trent, why own him?

    5. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Its really not more complex than that. If you arent willing to captain a premium you shouldnt own them either.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Utilizing budget is also important. So there are other factors

    6. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      How he determines points per game will be important since last year's points are not that relevant.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        PP90 not PPG

      2. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        For sure. We will obviously have more underlying thought processes. But if he starts like that I think with more knowledge he might do quite well in the future.

      3. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        He is working with history on the site so he is looking at 1 line only.

    7. DAZZ
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      You sure you didnt get this off reddit? Saw a post exactly the same weeks ago. Absolute nonsense, why do people complicate such a simple game.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Have you read a lot of the stuff posyed on here? This is very simple in comparison

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Dunno about the philosophy, but my squad has triple Liverpool, triple Man United and triple Leeds. It looks damn hot!

      2. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Never read it bud. (smile) He certainly hasn't

      3. Holmes
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        better than getting spoon fed I guess, atleast he is using his brain

  26. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    Do you think Fofana wont be a starter if Rodgers decides to play with four at the back? cause then he is gonna start with Soyuncu and Evans

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      No idea

    2. CONNERS
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      Pretty sure Evans is still out injured.

      Fofana should be safe for a while, although I prefer White/Ayling in the 4.5 bracket.

  27. OleGGMU
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    G2G? thoughts on Son?Stick or Switch
    Any advice much apprecaited
    Sanchez
    AWB, Godfrey, VVD
    Salah, Bruno, Son, Dallas
    Watkins, Toney, Antonio
    Bench : Foster, Ayling, Bissouma, Manquilo
    0 ITB

  28. Oscar Slater
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 8 months ago

    I posted this at the bottom of the last article so I'll try again!... 🙂

    I'm sure I came across a comment here a couple of weeks ago that suggested that there was a possibility that the Manchester United Bruno could morph into the Portugal Bruno if one or two signings came to fruition.

    Am I talking pish?

    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Is your question about you remembering something that didn't happen or is the talking pish thing about whether or not Bruno turns into Portugal Bruno?

      • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Portugal Bruno would have had 3 goals from 4 games in the euros from penalties alone (before DFK’s or any other set piece related tomfoolery)

    2. suddenorgan
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 8 months ago

      worth starting with White if I'm not playing him GW1? would be on my bench for 3 weeks

      1. @persecuted_by_mods
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Why not chambers instead

        • Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          I am because he rotates well with a Leeds or Brighton 4.5m

      2. Booked4Dissent
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 8 months ago

        Who partners Lewis Dunk now that White has gone to Arsenal?

        1. CONNERS
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 8 months ago

          Webster I think?