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16 August 2022 874 comments
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Saturday evening saw Manchester United’s Christian Eriksen (£6.5m) make a quick return to Brentford, only to be shellshocked with a 4-0 half-time deficit that didn’t improve by its conclusion.

Watching from the sides was unused Bees substitute Mikkel Damsgaard (£5.5m), a fellow Danish international whose arrival in west London was confirmed last Wednesday.

The £10.1m attacking midfielder joins the many Danes already at Brentford, so where does he fit in at Thomas Frank’s side and what impact will he have in Fantasy Premier League (FPL)?

We’ll attempt to answer those questions below.

THE HISTORY

Damsgaard is one of many exciting young talents to have emerged at FC Nordsjælland over recent times, alongside new Brentford colleague Mathias Jensen (£5.0m).

SeasonTeamDivisionAppsGoalsAssists
2021/22SampdoriaSerie A1100
2020/21SampdoriaSerie A3524
2019/20NordsjællandSuperliga35116
2018/19NordsjællandSuperliga3217
2017/18NordsjællandSuperliga1713

His third season of first-team football was outstanding, netting 11 times and setting up six more to ensure he was next off the production line. Italian side Sampdoria secured his services for the 2020/21 campaign.

The link between Damsgaard and Eriksen began in the summer of 2021 when, on the second day of Euro 2020, Eriksen suffered a cardiac arrest during the match with Finland. Whilst recovering in hospital, in came Damsgaard as his replacement in the starting XI for the remainder of the tournament.

After a wonderful strike against Russia, he was responsible for a very scary moment experienced by England fans. It was his free-kick that put the Danes 1-0 up in the Wembley semi-final, although Gareth Southgate’s side eventually emerged as victors.

Shortly after, his career was put in jeopardy by an unfortunate series of injuries back at Sampdoria. Initially ruled out in October 2021 with a thigh injury picked up on international duty, he then underwent knee surgery and later discovered that he had a worrying arthritis condition.

“It was a very aggressive form of arthritis. There was no improvement, it felt like it was never going to heal, but thanks to the collaboration between Italian and Danish rheumatologists, a new therapy was designed and gave an excellent response.” – agent Jens Orgaard

Thankfully, he returned to action in April of this year but only managed to gather 576 minutes of game time over 11 league appearances.


PLAYING STYLE

It’s therefore easy to assume that Damsgaard is a similar player to Eriksen, making this a like-for-like replacement. However, this is not the case.

Whilst Eriksen is more of a passer with set-piece strengths and great vision, Damsgaard likes to dribble and isn’t afraid to get stuck into the defensive duties. The Athletic have specifically looked at this comparison.

Damsgaard is more of a traditional winger than central attacking midfielder. He likes to receive the ball by the touchline down his team’s left flank on his right foot, which opens up space for him to drive inside towards goal.

This ability to drive at opponents and dribble past them contrasts with the skill set of Eriksen, who prefers to dictate play from deep with his passing.

Additionally, his new team scored the second-fewest goals from outside of the box, meaning Damsgaard’s penchant for long-range stunners will add a new dimension to the line-up.


WHERE DAMSGAARD FITS IN AT BRENTFORD

As Yoane Wissa (£5.5m) and fellow new signing Keane Lewis-Potter (£5.5m) also favour the left flank, perhaps Frank has a different idea for this versatile player.

He himself is a head coach who often switches between a four-man and three-man defence, with both systems already used during these opening two matches.

“We think Mikkel can play as one of our ‘eights’ in a 4-3-3 system or as a ‘ten’. He can also play on the wing. We will use him in the way we think we can get the best out of his offensive abilities. Importantly, he is a player that will fit into our dressing room. He is a great character, he wants to work hard, he wants to work for the team, and he wants to develop.” – Thomas Frank

When combining Damsgaard’s injury-plagued 12 months with the excellent midfield starts for both Jensen and Josh Dasilva (£4.6m), there could definitely be an easing-in process for the 22-year-old.

Yet the introduction of such an exciting signing could also put off potential Dasilva purchasers. Some will just be happy to use Dasilva as a bench option whose imminent double-rise will increase squad value but, beyond that, frequent starts cannot be guaranteed.


IS DAMSGAARD WORTH BUYING IN FPL?

Managers should at least wait until they’ve seen Damsgaard make his first start. If it happens quickly, he’ll be a strong differential option when considering Brentford’s brilliant run of fixtures.

Starting from Gameweek 3, they top our Season Ticker all the way up to Gameweek 16.

Furthermore, he joins Pascal Gross (£5.6m), Brenden Aaronson (£5.5m), Joe Aribo (£5.5m) and Pablo Fornals (£5.5m) at the ideal price point for those intending to replace Pedro Neto (£5.5m).



FPL Marc Broadcaster, writer and overthinker. Hoping that ‘differential potential’ will catch on.

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  1. FOO FIGHTER
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 3 months ago

    Many are starting to figure out that trying to figure out who to bench from Neto, Bailey and Andreas is just not the route to go.

    I am not saying I am a genius but it makes sense.

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 3 months ago

      Most people probably have 2 of those.

      The fixtures make it fairly obvious.

    2. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 3 months ago

      Didn't you sell Jesus for Darwin this week?

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        Did anyone expect Darwin to get a red card?

        What are people still doing with Bailey?

        1. Catastrophe
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          It's all relative. For most people (myself included), losing Bailey is not a priority.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            Luckily many won't still have Bailey by GW 4 and still saying he is not a priority to get rid of!

      2. Catastrophe
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        😀

      3. Dr. Rog
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        didnt Bailey outscore Darwin as well 🙂

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          It was a difficult pill to swallow but I wish Darwin was available for UTD.

          Fecking red card lol

          1. Dr. Rog
            • 16 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            Hope you dont mind the bantz. Very unlucky.
            Will probably look to draft in Darwin when he is back - Haaland Darwin Jesus looks like a great front 3.

    3. Dr. Rog
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 3 months ago

      The vast majority are cutting Robbo to fund an upgrade of either Bailey or the 3rd striker.

      So the template is migrating from a strong X + a fodder option, to a strong XI + the fodder being where they should be on the bench.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        I agree, fodder on bench. Bailey eating up a starting spot in your 11.

      2. FOO FIGHTER
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        I take it on the chin.

        Bailey though...

  2. Goodfeathers
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 3 months ago

    Does anyone know the reasoning behind how price rises & fall work?
    For example, how come if a player rises .1, you don’t see that value increase when you sell them, yet if their value drops by .1 then you immediately lose that value?

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 3 months ago

      you only gain half the rise.

      1. Goodfeathers
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        Do you know what the reasoning behind that is though?

        1. DelPiero10
            3 years, 3 months ago

            "This rule is in place to prevent managers who have a number of players in their squad whose prices rise quickly, from gaining an unfair advantage over competing managers"

            From FPL themselves.

            1. Goodfeathers
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Thank you very much for this. That makes sense.

              1. DelPiero10
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  No worries.

              2. Dr. Rog
                • 16 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                yep given TV by the end of the season can be 105-110m, if it wasnt this way the game would be totally broken

        2. Dr. Rog
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          which means that removing fallers is more important than catching prise risers

      2. Sebastes
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        Posted on an old article/thread so here goes again

        Rank for points/preference next 5 gw

        A Dias
        B Cucurella
        C Perisic
        D Rodrigo
        E Groß

        Leaning ADBEC myself but with Perisic overtaking all if he starts every week.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          B and not because the whole of FPL want to ship him in lol

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            B 1st then any nailed City defender 2nd excl Cancelo

          2. Sebastes
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            I was high on him during the weekend but the more I think about it the more I feel it might be a bit recency bias…

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              • 6 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Solution = go with your gut.

        2. Catastrophe
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          same - ADBEC

      3. The Mighty Whites
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        Bailey replacement:

        A: Eze
        B: Gross

        1. Goodfeathers
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          B

        2. AC/DC AFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          Eze

        3. Tanaka'd
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          Eze

        4. Dr. Rog
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          Olise, if fit

        5. Winston.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          B

      4. JELLYFISH
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        Hello gents - weighing up Robbo & Bailey > Maddi and Curucella as a -4

        Maddi seems to be flying under the radar on here but his form looks decent, and fixtures not half bad. The alternative is Diaz, but inclined to run with Salah as my pool big hitter and Maddi feels the better option

        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 3 months ago

          Madison v good option yes. Not sure about cucu though

          1. JELLYFISH
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            Saliba or Gabriel are the other options I'm considering (no Ars defensive picks in my team currently).

            1. Ajax Hamsterdam
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Saliva seems v good value

              1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Saliba 🙂

      5. DavvaMC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 3 months ago

        So am I still safe with having Walker?

        1. DelPiero10
            3 years, 3 months ago

            City have one RB

            1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Cancelo is a RB

              1. DelPiero10
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  City have one LB

          • ResultatFar
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            Best 4.9 or below defender?

            1. AC/DC AFC
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Dunk

            2. Goodfeathers
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Dunk for sure. Brighton have great fixtures.

            3. Pipermaru
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              I would add Henry and Justin to the list.

          • dshv
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 3 months ago

            Bench 1:

            1. Dasilva
            2. Neco
            3. Andreas

            1. AC/DC AFC
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              1

            2. Crunchie
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              1

            3. DelPiero10
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Dasilva. Slight worry in having to start the other two though.

              • skeyrd
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                3

            4. Crunchie
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              Ramsdale
              TAA, Robbo, Cancello, James, Walker
              Salah Martinelli Andreas (Neto, Bailey)
              Haaland Jesus

              Trouble is I did a -4 last week for Kane/Perisic to Walker/Haaland. Backfired lol

              Should I

              A) hold one more week
              B) Just downgrade Bailey before he falls
              C) do B to a 5.0 and upgrade to Zaha.

              zaha is on Pens and Palace are looking at a striker/winger so Zaha may end up playing on his own, also I am looking at Eze, crazily underpriced, after being injured for over a year with an Achilles injury

              1. The Mentaculus
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Don't understand option C

              2. Ajax Hamsterdam
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                I don't understand your option c.who would you downgrade?

                1. Crunchie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Sorry Robbo to a 5.0 defender,

                  1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    A for me

                    1. Crunchie
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Thanks mate

                  2. The Mentaculus
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Maybe Neto - Eze & just park Bailey on the bench for a while? Pretty close with C though.
                    Think you made the right moves last week, they'll pay off soon

                    1. Crunchie
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Thanks

              3. Crunchie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Sorry have to dash out (as when I ask a question I like to reply to others) but any advice is greatly appreciated

            5. Ajax Hamsterdam
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 3 months ago

              A Madison and vvd
              B zaha and taa

              Cheers 🙂

              1. Crunchie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                B

                1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Cheers

              2. Ajax Hamsterdam
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Please 🙂

              3. JELLYFISH
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                If I had to call it then B, but its a dificult call and only because I think TAA is essential.

              4. DelPiero10
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Kinda dodgy isn't it? For me it will take a lot more than two poor gwks for TAA to be on the chopping block but you've paired him with Zaha whom I do not like as an FPL whatsoever. I'll say (A) but really not into the whole no Trent thing.

                • Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Thanks all

              5. jonnybhoy
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                In a really good position so not sure on next move. Thoughts? 1FT 1m ITB. Really want Toney not sure how to get him

                Ederson
                TAA Cancelo James Patterson
                Salah Martinelli Diaz DaSilva
                Haaland Jesus

                4m Trippier Andreas Archer

                1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Easy : don't get him. V nice team

                2. Goodfeathers
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Looks really good. I'd be tempted to roll that and try and get Toney in next week using 2 FT's.

                3. F_Ivanovic
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  having to play Patterson and DaSilva not really ideal

              6. Prinzhorn
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                What's more urgent? Trade Robertson for James or lose Bailey?

                A) Robbo -> James
                B) Bailey -> Jensen/Dasilva
                C) Roll

                1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  A

                2. Crunchie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  I think Robbo may be ok against Utd. They wont playy deep against a team with 10 men behind the ball

                3. Goodfeathers
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  A or C. I wouldn't say getting rid of Robbo is urgent as he looked so attacking last night so will likely haul at some point soon. James does look like insanely good value though so probably decent move given their fixtures. Obviously frees up 1m too.

                4. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Robbo was playing very high up. I would keep vs UTD and bank the 0.5 for your transfer/s for GW4.

                5. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Keeping Bailey as a rotation option for GW4 or have Robbo vs UTD?

                  Decide on that.

              7. DavvaMC
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 3 months ago

                Damn looks like Mount might drop in price.

                Would you go Mount > Maddison for this week?

                1. The Iceman
                  • 3 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Ignore price and go with your gut on this one. Mount scored in both games vs Leeds last season.

                2. DelPiero10
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Leeds

                  • Nailed Jesus
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    no

                  • Goodfeathers
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    I wouldn't get rid of Mount this week.

                3. Drexl Spivey
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Anyone in on Groß yet?

                  1. Goodfeathers
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Would if i could afford. Not going to take a hit for him though

                4. The Iceman
                  • 3 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  A looks good. James was very threatening once moved to RWB.

                  1. The Iceman
                    • 3 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Reply fail to Prinzhorn!

                5. Pukkipartyy
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Best 4.5m def?

                  A) Henry/Mee
                  B) Saliba
                  C) Other

                6. Tmel
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  a) Bailey > KDH
                  b) Bailey & Robertson > Diaz & Neco Williams
                  c) Bailey & Robertson > Zaha & Cucu

                7. Barphilona
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Help before the price rises change tonight… Cash and Bailey out for…

                  A) Perisic/Gross (.5 ITB)
                  B) James/Jensen

                8. Nomar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  I need to get Martinelli in tonight, don’t I, before he rises again?

                9. Zoostation
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 3 months ago

                  Does this look like the right idea on WC?

                  Mendy (Ward)

                  TAA Cancelo Gabriel (Williams, Patterson)

                  KDB Diaz Martinelli Rodrigo (Andreas)

                  Kane Jesus (C) Toney

                  1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Mmh risky with no Salah AND haaland.

                10. Vlekz
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    A) Take the drop on Bailey and save FT and play neco Williams this week
                    B) move Bailey to KDH (or some other 5.0, which?)

                    1. Nomar
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      B

                  • Nailed Jesus
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Best Bailey replacement up to 8.0?
                    a) Mount
                    b) Gundo
                    c) Foden
                    d) Diaz
                    e) Maddison

                    1. Prinzhorn
                      • 4 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      E, for this GW
                      D long-term

                  • SpaceCadet
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Repost. Best option here?

                    A. Mahrez cash > kulu dunk -4
                    B. Mahrez Bailey > kulu desilva -4
                    C. Something else?

                    Mendy
                    Taa robbo cancelo cash
                    Salah Mahrez martinelli Bailey
                    Haaland Jesus

                    Ward Andreas neco greenwood

                    1. Nailed Jesus
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 8 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      James & Grob/Rodrigo

                  • JELLYFISH
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    With Nunez out for the next 3 games what's the consensus on how this will effect Diaz?

                    1. Randaxus
                      • 4 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Diaz just scored a goal suggesting that he might be in form, and his next fixture is against the worst team in the league, seems like a good option to me.

                    2. Hotdogs for Tea
                      • 10 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      More nailed

                      1. JELLYFISH
                        • 13 Years
                        3 years, 3 months ago

                        Ok thanks both

                    3. The Mentaculus
                      • 4 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Probably a bit soon for "consensus" & depends who starts up top. If Firmino is fit that's great for Diaz & Salah to take up more central positions. If no Bobby/Jota, I wonder if Diaz might actually start up front?

                      1. JELLYFISH
                        • 13 Years
                        3 years, 3 months ago

                        I was wondering this too (re whether Diaz might start up front) with both bobby and Jota being doubts

                  • Randaxus
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    I swear to god if Man United win against Liverpool I will never stop laughing.

                    1. Drexl Spivey
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Which pretty much tells you how bad United are.

                      1. Randaxus
                        • 4 Years
                        3 years, 3 months ago

                        I would say it was the equivalent of losing to Forest, but Forest are better than them.

                  • daviyb
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    I think Darwin meant to just throw his chest in rather than head also....

                  • Prinzhorn
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Really want Jensen in for Bailey, but not sure if he'll start with Dasilva in form and Damsgaard transfered in...

                  • Nomar
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 16 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Cash and Aaronson to Henry/ Saliba and Martinelli for free?

                    1. The Iceman
                      • 3 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Yes, good moves. Prefer Saliba.

                      1. Nomar
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 16 Years
                        3 years, 3 months ago

                        Would give me3 Arsenal, though.

                        Wondering whether to go Dunk instead.

                  • RAFA THE GAFFA
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Would love to do Robbo+Bailey -> Saliba+Diaz but 0.5 short. Any ideas where to squeeze 0.5?

                    Ward
TAA Cancelo Robbo James
Salah Martinelli Mount Bailey
Haaland Jesus
                    (Iversen, Neco, Andreas, Archer)

                    1. AC/DC AFC
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 10 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Get Gundogan instead

                    2. The Iceman
                      • 3 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Only option looks to be downgrading Mount but I wouldn’t do that this week. That’s a strong team though perhaps you can hold off for another GW.

                      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
                        • 9 Years
                        3 years, 3 months ago

                        Got 2FTs so unsure what to do

                  • EL tridente
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 3 months ago

                    Salah and Bailey to Diaz and Maddison +2m in the bank?

                    The extra funds will most likely be used to upgrade Ward and Neto

                    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      No

                    2. The Iceman
                      • 3 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Can’t justify Salah out before he plays Man Utd. His recent record vs them is exceptional.

                    3. Goodfeathers
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 10 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      No

                    4. JELLYFISH
                      • 13 Years
                      3 years, 3 months ago

                      Its a no from me too