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We’re delighted to reveal that the first set of Pre-Season Projections are now available to our Members. These can be found under the Projections section in the Members Area – we’ve supplied a season-long table, split by each position and, for a short-term view, have also provided a table which plots the Projections for just the opening six Gameweeks.

The Player Projections are, in many ways, our player predictions, offering a view of “projected” goals, assists, clean sheets etc for the season ahead. We also include Fantasy Premier League (FPL) points and bonus in the Projections, although no matter what Fantasy game you play, these will hopefully provide an invaluable guide.

We will be updating these Projections frequently: there will doubtless be tweaks required, particularly to the playing probabilities – in some cases almost immediately as the new signings alter our thinking – but we’ve decided to present our first set of data.

In case you missed our previous article, this season’s Projections are being created using the statistical model behind the Rate My Team website. This site was run by Chris Atkinson for the past two seasons, during which he achieved some superb results with the model. Chris is a statistician who specifically built his model to simulate and predict the returns of players in Fantasy Football and, particularly, the FPL. Having brought Chris on board to help us with our Projections, we’re pretty delighted with the end result and the power and flexibility of the model behind them.

The Projections are, of course, part of our Members offering. For more details on the benefits of Membership and how to join, click here.

Here’s a short FAQ with more details….

How do I use the Projections?
Crucially, these tables can be used as another opinion-former when comparing players. Every player is rated for goals, assists, clean sheets etc based on values created by the “Rate My Team” statistical model – the values returned for each player are the expected values in accordance with its calculations.

A good way of thinking about them is to consider them average values for each player. If the season was played out 500 times, the values you’ll find in these projection tables are the average that the model would expect the player to score.

One of the most useful aspects of the Projections is the value column. You can sort by this to find the best value (Points Per FPL Million) delivered by players in each position.

With tables for the season and the opening six Gameweeks, you can get a view on long-term and short-term returns and value.

What are these values based on?
The “Rate My Team” statistical model is a complex beast – it uses historical data stretching back a number of seasons and, of course, specific player and team data. When generating the player values the model looks at the specific fixture in each Gameweek, assessing the strength of both teams before calculating the likely team goals scored and how these goals will translate to specific player stats. The probability of a player taking part in the match is also a key ingredient. Factors such as rotation, injuries, suspensions and absence due to the African Cup of Nations are also simulated by the model.

Why do the stats show decimal places?
The values returned by the model are not exact values – they are not figures that state what a player will score for a particular stat but a value which indicates their expected return. As such, the model can be more accurate when producing data with decimal places.

Why has Van Persie got fewer goals etc?
There’s no denying Robin Van Persie enjoyed an incredible season last term. For starters, he avoided injury and was almost ever present – the first time he has achieved or even came close to this in his entire Premier League career. Secondly, Van Persie was, without doubt, the key attacking force in the Arsenal lineup – the summer acquisitions of Olivier Giroud and Lukas Podolski suggest this may not be the case any longer. Added to this, of course, there is uncertainty surrounding the Dutchman’s future at the club.

Why are there fewer goals across the board?
The model used historical data to create an average goals per game value for the season. Although we’ve seen a trend that has seen the goal count soar in recent campaigns, the model has been more cautious and is currently expecting less goals for teams, with fewer big scorelines and teams that are likely to leak large amounts of goals. In a nutshell, the model doesn’t think that there will be a Blackpool or Wolves around as whipping boys next season.

When will these Projections be updated?
We’ll most likely update these every day up until the season kick-off. As we get more data on likely first choice lineups and as the transfer market moves to cast doubt over starters, we will adapt and tweak the model accordingly. It’s highly likely that, over the space of a few days, you’ll notice significant movement within the data for certain players.

There are still lots of issues to be resolved that will have a marked affect on the Projections – notably the striker situations at Arsenal and Spurs.

We’ll keep you posted on any major changes and movements in the Projections as and when they are made. Full Projection analysis articles for members will be following next week.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. thehut
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    WOOHOO

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    1. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Calm down....

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  2. Tim Canterbury
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    Finally...something of interest. Cheers Mark

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    1. Declan-
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      +1

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  3. Declan-
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    Can't wait to have a good look at these. Thanks scouts

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  4. SG8
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    Thoughts on this team?

    De Gea / Federici
    Cole / Clichy / Hughes / Wilson / Cuellar
    Silva / Hazard / Sinclair / Noble / Guthrie
    Rooney / Torres / Pogrebnyak

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    1. Evs
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      • 16 Years
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      Stunning...

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    2. hillbillypete
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      toss

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    3. Declan-
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      Like it all except pog

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      1. SG8
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        who should I change him for?

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        1. Declan-
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 6 months ago

          he's good for the dgw but you won't want him after that. Unless you're wildcarding early you'll find it hard to get rid of him. graham is a better option imo but he's a million more

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  5. thehut
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Mark!, one question...

    Why in the 6 week projection, does Defoe have such a high score? Surely he probably won't even play!?

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    1. DLL18
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      13 years, 6 months ago

      Probably because he's currently Spurs only striker, if Adebayor signs I'm sure they'll amend it.

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      1. Granville
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        For the same reason that RVP is rated on the proviso that he stays put at Arsenal. You can only work with the data available at the current time.

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      2. Mark
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        • 19 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah, the beauty of the model is that, within minutes, we can add a player and the the whole team situation is revised. Should Adebayor sign, this would have a marked effect on Defoe of course and would likely redistribute some assists from the likes of VDV, Bale and Sigurdsson.

        We can't make those changes yet of course.

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    2. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      As mentioned above, the Spurs forward situation has to be resolved. Right now the projections presume that Defoe starts the season as their main striker. We can't project scores for players who haven't arrived at their clubs yet and equally, we can't have goals/assists unallocated.

      We will, of course, revise the projections when transfers take place. So, as soon as the likes of Spurs, Sunderland etc sign strikers, you'll see the goals assists level out from where they sit right now.

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      1. thehut
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks Mark. BTW it's looking great! So glad i signed up for membership this year

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      2. Xabi
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        of course

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  6. FPL Daniel
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    I told ya Vlaar will come, I told ya. Who told me I was wrong? Come on show yourselves 🙂

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    1. 1justlookin
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      do you rate him?

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    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      blind chicken and pecking corn comes to mind 😉

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        😛

        Never the less I see plenty of potential in the VIlla lineup for fantasy investments.
        ——————–Given—————–
        Lichaj——Dunne—–Vlaar—- Lowton
        Holman—El Ahmadi-Clark—-N’Zogbia
        ——————–Ireland——————
        ———————Bent———————

        Weinman could be instead of Ireland and Gabby could play on the wing or upfront.

        Clark, Lichah, Vlaar if decent price. Irealn, Bent, Nzogbia all potential for fantasy points > I like it.

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    3. little_wizard123
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Getting him in your team? Could come in at £5m.

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  7. Bøwstring The Carp
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    STAAAATS 🙂 only 3 weeks to go!

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  8. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    Plz First RMT (Go easy plz)

    Frederici - Friedel
    A.Cole - Hangeland - Lescott - Williams - Ridgewell
    Hazard - Kagawa - Noble - Guthrie - Maloney
    Aguero - Torres - Graham

    (+2m for Rooney)

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  9. mufc802
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    Thanks Mark, now I can compare my team to the team projections and see how it fares.

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  10. 1justlookin
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    Norwich's Midfield is getting as clustered as Chelsea's...

    Pilkington, Snodgrass, Johnson, Fox, Surman, Hoolahan, Bennett, Howson, Crofts.

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    1. SouthCoastSaint
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Snodgrass has to be nailed on he's class.

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    2. Lord Flashheart
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      A tad lacking in quality

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  11. SouthCoastSaint
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Wrote an article about Portsmouth for any fans of lower league football/ their situation

    http://thisisfutbol.com/2012/07/blogs/are-things-set-to-get-worse-before-they-get-better-for-portsmouth

    Also. Snodgrass and Hoilett get in my teams now

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  12. ampere
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Feeling a little risky - how does this team look?

    Federici (Jaas)
    ACole Clichy Gorkss (Tierney Demel)
    Hazard Kagawa Taarabt Noble (Maloney)
    Aguero Tevez Torres

    2.0 in the bank

    GW2 Torres > Rooney
    GW3 Hazard > Bale
    Free up a little cash by GW5 for Tevez>Cisse?

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    1. ampere
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Swapped Maloney out for Guthrie, now I have 6 DGWs and an extra .5 for the eventual Tevez>Cisse...

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      1. Cruicky
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        So, come GW3 you'd only be able to field 10...

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        1. Cruicky
          • 14 Years
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          Nevermind. You can just field 11 with no hits. Injuries/Suspensions/Poor Form and fixtures will change that.

          Example - GW3: Tierney - TOT(a), Taarabt - MC(a). You'd be forced to play them.

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          1. ampere
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 6 months ago

            Yeah. I did have Pog and a stronger defenders like most people on here, but since I would only be able to field 2 forwards on GW3 I think the potential returns from Tevez in the first few weeks could make up for Tierney and Taarabt's poor fixtures. Given no injuries/rotation. Definitely a risk, not sure if it's worth it.

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          2. ampere
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            13 years, 6 months ago

            Think I'll start off with Michu instead of Taarabt to make GW3 a little easier, thanks.

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  13. SG8
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    What is the best goalkeeper combo for the first 4-5 gameweeks? because chances are I'll end up using my wildcard by then..

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    1. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Either Friedel - Federici at 10.0 or if you want cheaper try out Schwarzer - Green at 9.5

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    2. Squerly4568
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      13 years, 6 months ago

      ive never understood using the wildcardso early on, about 8 weeks before then end is good for a final push

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  14. Mr. Greedy
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    On Rate My Team last year you could enter your team and the projections would tell you how many points you could expect to get. Are there any plans to implement this feature?

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    1. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Hi Mr Greedy. Yes, that's the plan, Chris and I are working on the integration of the full tool in the coming months.

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    1. In Tommy We Trust
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      13 years, 6 months ago

      Daniel, fancy join top 10k any season H2H league?

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        why not

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 6 months ago

          Code not working

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 6 months ago

            The league was full but two enter who weren't eligible.

            Try again if you want to join

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      2. A.T
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        Can I?

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  15. mufc802
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    It says ezekiel fryers will play 32 minutes for United this season, pretty certain he wont play any at all as he is leaving.

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  16. SouthCoastSaint
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    My Mum might be signing for Chelsea.

    Everyone else is.

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    1. Optimus.
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      john terry likes this

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      1. Squerly4568
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        hopefuly he will like an eight match ban too

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        1. Optimus.
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          13 years, 6 months ago

          hes english so no doubt he will be given 100 lines to write

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  17. Ginkapo FPL
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    I think it was at this point last year things went wrong for me

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    1. tangtastic
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      You might need to go further back than that..

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  18. FORCA INTER
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    friday nigh lads

    go out ,have fun

    you will have plenty of time to think about fantasy 😉

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    1. Mr. Greedy
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      13 years, 6 months ago

      Nah, I'm going to tinker with my team using the projections.

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  19. Parm
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    YAY!!!

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  20. MJ6987
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    RMT please.

    Mig Jaask
    Ivanovic Lescott Demel Gunter Tierney
    Bale Hazard Kagawa Pienaar* Noble
    Aguero Torres Pog

    Thanks.

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    1. Squerly4568
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      looks good what about valencia instead of kagawa?

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      1. MJ6987
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        Can't afford. Besides, Kagawa looks set to play behind Rooney in the hole and had lots of goals and assists last season.

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        1. Squerly4568
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          13 years, 6 months ago

          is he nailed on 100%? i can see him being rotated

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  21. Squerly4568
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    evening everyone, I would really appreciate your thoughts on my team. got a couple of random ones in there and i still waiting to see if tevez is gonna be a starter

    jassk
    Clichy-Cole.A-Johnson
    Valencia-bale-lampard-noble
    Pog-torres-tevez

    Ruddy
    Figueroa
    Michu
    Clyne

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    1. Pinoche
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      I'd go for Aguero rather than Tevez .
      Downgrade Johnson.

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      1. Squerly4568
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        i will swap aguero for tevez if carlos is def not a starter. im kinda hoping johnson will have a good season and get a few goals and assists

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    2. Laserface
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      can work ,IF tevez starts,lamps doesn't play too deep and torres hits form ..

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      1. Squerly4568
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        cheers mate, who you got in your team then? hazard, aguero and rooney?

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    3. SH1M1
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      nice nice

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    4. MJ6987
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      13 years, 6 months ago

      Interesting. I wouldn't have Johnson personally. Tevez will be in many teams if he is playing regularly

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      1. Squerly4568
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        johnson is a punt no doubt, but one worth taking i think

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  22. Lord Flashheart
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    Fantastic !

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  23. FORCA INTER
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    projections are out?!thanks guys for fantastic work

    will check that tomorrow!

    bye i am off ¨;)

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  24. In Tommy We Trust
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Only 7 spots left in the top 10k any season H2H league.

    Sign up now!

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    1. Optimus.
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      joined yesterday

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        Cheers

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        1. Doctor X
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          Me too.

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    2. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season rc…
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      I`ll give it a go 😉

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 6 months ago

        Link is not working mate

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  25. SH1M1
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    Cech,(Begovic)

    (Clyne),Rafael,Kaboul,Clichy,(McCartney)

    (Frei),Oscar,Kagawa,Silva,Bale

    P.Cisse,Pogrebynak,Jelavic

    = My Team GWK4

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      i bet you its not

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
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        ^This^

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        1. SH1M1
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 6 months ago

          xD

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  26. SouthCoastSaint
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Probably way too top heavy but food for my thoughts.

    Federici Green

    Clichy, Santon, Mariappa, Clyne, Cuellar

    Larsson, N zogbia, Davis, Yaya, Pienarr

    Aguero, Rooney, Torres

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    1. Specialist
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      More Reading than Chelsea for the double? 😀

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    2. SH1M1
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Would get nolan instead of nzogbia for goals, and williams instead of santon who is not certain to start.

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  27. isacki: full casual
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    13 years, 6 months ago

    Thanks for the projections. Sounds very robust and I was interested to get a glimpse of how the RMT model works, I dabbled with RMT last season and found it compelling. I know you've been working on these for a while...

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    1. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      No worries. A lot of work has gone into them again but, like you say, thanks to Chris' model, these are now far more robust.

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  28. Mark
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    • 19 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    As a heads up, we will be adding Hoilett, Snodgrass and moving Turner tomorrow so look out for those and their effects.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Snodgrass? Really, there is a player like that? Oh my

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  29. Dumbo-92
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 months ago

    Hmm trying to decide between Balance and all out attack... Decisions...

    9mil keepers
    21mil DEF

    leaves 70mil to attack with...

    Thoughts?!

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 6 months ago

      Not enough in defence

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