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A 91st-minute booking signalled a fifth yellow card of the season and a Gameweek 14 suspension for popular Bournemouth defender Marcos Senesi (£5.0m).

Owned by close to a quarter of all FPL managers, and around a third of those in the top 100k, the centre-half’s upcoming Gameweek 14 absence has already driven over 200,000 sales.

So, in this article, we take a look at the best replacements for the Argentine stopper.

We’ll focus on £5.5m-and-under assets in this piece but both Arsenal’s Jurrien Timber (£6.4m) and Crystal Palace’s Daniel Munoz (£6.0m) are going to be popular replacements for those with cash spare.

They’re the two most-bought defenders of Gameweek 14 at the time of writing, indeed:

But on we go with those replacements within £0.5m of Senesi’s price tag…


NICO O’REILLY (£5.1M)

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Manchester City sit among the standout teams at the summit of the Fixture Ticker for the upcoming period, with a run of opponents that looks extremely favourable on paper.

Pep Guardiola’s side face three of the current bottom five, as well as a double-header against Sunderland. The first of those games sees the Mackems, second-bottom for goals scored in away games, head to the Etihad.

From a defensive perspective, City have been quietly impressive. Only three sides have recorded more clean sheets than them so far this season (six), while they also rank second overall for expected goals conceded (xGC). This underlines that their defensive returns are backed up by the data rather than fortune.

Among their defensive options, Nico O’Reilly (£5.1m) continues to stand out. The 20-year-old has established himself as a key figure at the back in recent weeks, starting five of his side’s last six matches.

He also carries significant attacking upside, with one goal and three assists to his name already in 2025/26. The left-back could have scored twice on Saturday and also set up a big chance that Phil Foden (£8.1m) nearly scored.

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In fact, O’Reilly is the top defender for expected goal involvement (xGI, above) since his first start in Gameweek 4.

There’s always a rotation risk when it comes to City players, especially at this time of year. Don’t expect him to start every game in December – but on current form, it’ll be a lot more than not.


MALICK THIAW (£4.9M)

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Newcastle United also feature among the teams with a strong upcoming schedule, particularly the double-header against Burnley.

Recent clean sheet returns have dipped, with just one shutout in their last six in all competitions. However, the Magpies boast the third-best xGC (14.92) in the league, which underscores their solidity.

The backline has changed often due to injuries. Even now, Lewis Hall (£5.2m) is having his minutes managed after returning from a lay-off and three different players – Sven Botman (£4.9m), Fabian Schar (£5.3m) and Dan Burn (£5.1m) – have lined up as the left-sided centre-back in the last three Gameweeks.

Still, Malick Thiaw (£4.9m) looks locked in. He has started the last nine league matches under Eddie Howe and has been absolutely outstanding defensively, while also offering a bit of a menace at the other end.

His recent brace against Everton brought into focus his attacking upside. He now sits among the top five defenders for big chances this seasonL

“It’s an interesting one with Malick because he’s ended up, if you look back at our set-plays, getting his head on quite a bit, so his movement, his aggression and his timing is really good. But he hadn’t put the finishing touches to that in the way he did on Saturday with two great headers. It’s great to see that work coming good for us.” – Eddie Howe in Monday’s presser, via the BBC


MAXENCE LACROIX (£5.1m)

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With two fixtures against Fulham, a trip to Burnley, and an away clash with Leeds United in their next six outings, Crystal Palace remain a standout side for Fantasy investment.

The Eagles also boast a strong recent track record of responding to setbacks. The last time they suffered back-to-back defeats in all competitions, they bounced back immediately, winning four and keeping four clean sheets across the following five matches.

From a defensive standpoint, Oliver Glasner’s men have been among the most reliable units in the league. They rank joint-second for clean sheets, joint-second for fewest goals conceded, and joint-third for the total number of shots on target allowed.

While his aforementioned teammate Daniel Munoz offer significant attacking threat, Maxence Lacroix )(£5.1m) provides an alternative route to points, specialising in defensive actions and bonus potential rather than attacking returns.

Best Senesi replacements in FPL

Lacroix currently ranks second overall for total defensive contributions this season (above). He has returned DEFCON points in seven of his 13 matches (it should have been eight after a post-cut-off Opta recalculation!), underlining his consistency for FPL managers.


IBRAHIMA KONATE (£5.4m)

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It’s been a frustrating start to the season for Liverpool, with consistency proving an issue. Still, their 2–0 Gameweek 13 win over West Ham United could mark a turning point under Arne Slot.

Defensively, Liverpool have been mixed. They sit among the worst four for big chances conceded, yet rank mid-table for clean sheets and xGC.

Fixtures may now help drive improvement. A recent clean sheet sets them up well for matches against Wolverhampton Wanderers (H), Leeds United (H+A), and Sunderland (H).

While Virgil van Dijk (£6.0m) narrowly leads for total defensive contributions, Ibrahima Konate (£5.4m) still averages an impressive 9.46 per 90 minutes. It’s a narrow 14-12 in van Dijk’s favour when it comes to DefCon points.

And there’s barely anything between the two when it comes to goal threat:

Arne Slot has continually resisted the urge to drop Konate during his recent slump, so there’s no reason to expect he’ll do anything different now – especially with a dearth of fully fit alternatives.


MATTHIJS DE LIGT (£5.0M)

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Manchester United have managed just one clean sheet all season, which is a major concern. Under Ruben Amorim, they also rank among the bottom five for big chances conceded.

Fixture appeal may still tempt managers. Home games against West Ham United and a double against rock-bottom Wolverhampton Wanderers offer clear short-term potential. Leeds and Burnley follow in Gameweeks 20 and 21.

Minutes are no concern for Matthijs de Ligt (£5.0m). No player has logged more game time than the Dutch defender this season:

Best Senesi replacements in FPL

De Ligt offers both defensive reliability and attacking upside.

As well as ranking above his teammates for total defensive contributions, he also sits inside the top eight defenders for NPxGI this season.

All 11 of his shots have come from inside the area, a total that only four defenders can better.


NIKOLA MILENKOVIC (£5.2M)

Best Senesi replacements in FPL

Nottingham Forest also demand attention at this stage. Under new manager Sean Dyche, they have claimed three wins from their last five matches across all competitions.

It is not just the results that catch the eye, either. Dyche’s well-drilled defensive structure and emphasis on work rate have already yielded three clean sheets over that same five-game spell.

The upcoming schedule offers further scope for Nottingham Forest to continue their upturn in form. Based on recent results, their toughest test looks to be Manchester City (H).

For fixtures against Wolverhampton Wanderers (A), Everton (H+A), and Fulham (A), investing in Nikola Milenković could be the safest move.

Whilst teammate Neco Williams (£4.7m) comes in cheaper, has more open-play attacking threat and is surprisingly good at racking up defensive contributions, the Welshman currently sits on four yellow cards, so is nearing a ban. One more booking and you’ve got another red-flagged defender for the next Gameweek!

For that reason, Nikola Milenković (£5.2m) perhaps presents himself as the standout Nottingham Forest defender.

The Serbian stopper has banked DefCon points in two of the last three Gameweeks, while he’s joint-second among defenders for headed set-piece attempts (eight) in 2025/26.

Forest are top of all clubs for set-play shots (27) since Dyche took charge, raising hopes that we could see a return to goalscoring form for Milenkovic soon.


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  1. Heiro
    • 15 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Hi all

    Cant believe im saying this but Man United for the next two?

    Senesei to Dalot allows me to get Bruno in.

    They have West Ham and Wolves in the next two.

    1. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Agreed - Crazy world when we target Man U. I think this is a decent set of moves so long as not for a hit.

    2. Dazzler
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      I’m with you

    3. Tonyawesome69
      • 6 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Dalot, Dorgu, Amad and Mazraoui competing for the WB spots...

      1. Heiro
        • 15 Years
        3 days, 20 hours ago

        Thats true. Maybe Yoro? But didnt he give the pen away?

        1. Tonyawesome69
          • 6 Years
          3 days, 20 hours ago

          Martinez is back and came off the bench yesterday.

      2. x.jim.x
        • 11 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        "Competing" is a generous word

    4. Brosstan
      • 11 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      Dalot is awful and not even nailed

  2. Karan_G14
    • 9 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Is it worth taking a hit to replace Senesi for O’Reilly?

    Otherwise can start Anderson (MCI) or Rodon (CHE).

    1. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      For a hit I wouldnt. Anderson is going to get 2 pts for Defcon and as long as they dont concede 4 goald when you add on the -4 its not worth it.

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        3 days, 20 hours ago

        Agreed.

  3. Lanley Staurel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    I'm taking out Sarr - choose a letter please. I have shortlisted based on stats and usual eye test so won't consider anyone else - all within budget.
    A. Rice
    B. Minteh
    C. Dewsbury-Hall
    D. O Dango
    E. Anderson

    1. Dazzler
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      A or B
      Prob wrong week for D
      If I was on a WC I’d prob have C or E as cover

    2. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Im only considering A or B in the same spot.
      Currently leaning towards Minteh

    3. Jet5605
      • 11 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      A more solid. B more fun

    4. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      A or B it is then. Anderson remains a great option tho

  4. ZeBestee
    • 11 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Best use of FT?

    Senesi > O'Reilly
    OR
    Sarr > Gakpo/Minteh(which one?)

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Sarr for sure he's gone till after Afcon

    2. Dazzler
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Sarr to Minteh

  5. Lanley Staurel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Senesi will be back after 1 game. Sarr is gone for a month after his injury. Minteh Id say.

    1. Philosopher's Stones
      • 5 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      This boy knowzt

  6. Dazzler
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Team decimated by bans/injuries. Will need to take a -4.

    Caicedo & Sarr to:

    A) Bruno & Miley (miley on bench)
    B) Rice & Barnes

    Cheers!

  7. Philosopher's Stones
    • 5 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Pick two alongside Haaland

    A: Woltemade
    B: Mateta
    C: Thiago

    1. Dazzler
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      I’ve got A & B but will prob switch Wolt to Thiago once I get my 5FTs

    2. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      C and Welbeck

    3. tbos83
      • 5 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      B, C

    4. Odikostar
      • 10 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      AC

  8. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Up to £8.9m for Sarr replacement. Considering the following.

    Rice
    Bruno
    Foden
    Gakpo

    1. g40steve
      • 7 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      Phil

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        3 days, 20 hours ago

        Cheers

    2. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      My potential Sarr replacements are:

      Bruno
      Anderson
      Gakpo

      I own Saka, so not interested in Rice. I'll avoid Foden, been there too many times in the past

      I'm edging towards Bruno at this moment

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        3 days, 20 hours ago

        Cheers

    3. Chinese_person
      • 14 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      Bruno

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        Think I’ll do this. Ta

    4. Hairy Potter
      • 10 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      Bruno could be a captain option in GW14, so I'd probably go him slightly over Foden.

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        Cheers. I’ve decided on getting him, but not sure I dare captain him over Haaland.

  9. Jet5605
    • 11 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    Do you think I'd be better off replacing Senesi rather than Sarr? If Timber gets rested then I have a 0-1 pointer from Gudmundson off the bench and Enzo will get stuck on my bench as the autosubs will fill my back 3 first.

    A - Senesi > O'Reilly
    B - Senesi & Sarr > Thiaw & Rice for -4

    Pope
    Timber - Virgil - Andersen
    Semenyo - Sarr - Gakpo - Mbeumo
    Haaland - Mateta - Wolte

    Dubravka - Enzo - Gudmund - Senesi

    1. Jet5605
      • 11 Years
      3 days, 20 hours ago

      I also have BB to play and so the -4 could help me towards a better bench

      1. Pep's Money Laundry
        • 10 Years
        3 days, 20 hours ago

        As you still have BB, it would probably make more sense to replace Gundmundson. I own him too, he loves his 1 pointers.

        1. Jet5605
          • 11 Years
          3 days, 20 hours ago

          Not a bad shout. Gives me a budget of 4.6 so could get the likes of Richards & Keane

  10. Deulofail
    • 9 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    How about Matheus Nunes (double up with O'Reilly)? How much of a threat is Khusanov?

    1. Stimps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      City are conceding goals for fun

      1. Deulofail
        • 9 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        5 CSs from the last 10 games, including against Arsenal and Liverpool. Only conceded 12 goals in 12 games this season. 2 teams above them on 11 goals conceded, then Arsenal on 7. And now fixtures have turned for the better.

        1. Stimps
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          1 CS in last 8 games in all competitions

          1. Deulofail
            • 9 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            4CSs in the last 11 games in all competitions. You wait and you wait and then 3 CSs come all at once!

      2. Conners
        • 6 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        Still, the joint 3rd best defence on current standings.

        Goal / assist potential with Gvardiol and O'Reilly too.

    2. Deulofail
      • 9 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      I think he's too much of a risk with the busy schedule and Kusanov, Stones & Lewis available to deputise/rotate/compete. Wouldn't mind a benching, but worried about multiple benchings/cameos and/or playing less than 60mins on occasion. Plus, I can see Pep rotating both his FBs in the same game. Seems like something he would do, and probably has, but I can't be bothered to 'research' that

  11. Tonyawesome69
    • 6 Years
    3 days, 20 hours ago

    If anyone was looking for some key info from the City presser...

    It lasted two minutes...(typically 10-15 mins)

    https://www.youtube.com/live/Z01z7TkSr-8?si=mp361cqreM_qP1DT

    1. Deulofail
      • 9 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      Haha pretty awkward start. Serves the journalist right for asking such unimaginative closed questions in search of an easy headline and template article

    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      Jump to 3mins 45.

      Pep had a face like he didn't want to be there and certainly didn't want to look backwards.

      I guess everything is squeezed with the midweek matches and turnaround times.

  12. Punned It
      3 days, 19 hours ago

      With Howe's threats of rotation, does Guimaraes seem more of a risk after not doing much the other night?

      1. Hairy Potter
        • 10 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        I thought he had a good game and linked up well with Miley.

        Joelinton didn't play against Marseille. Tonali was rested against Everton. Maybe it's Bruno's turn, but he's also the captain and will want to play in the next two home games.

        1. Punned It
            3 days, 18 hours ago

            Sound. Cheers!

      2. Bobby Digital
        • 8 Years
        3 days, 19 hours ago

        Buy Thiaw or OReilly?

        1. OH... KEVIN DE BRUYNE
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            cant decide myself. i guess it depends on rest of team and chips left

            1. Bobby Digital
              • 8 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Think I'm going OReilly, he has more attacking threat

        2. Jet5605
          • 11 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          Best defender up to £4.6m for the next 6-7 GWs?

          1. Conners
            • 6 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Richards or Andersen I think.

        3. AD105
          • 9 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          Sarr > Foden for free?

          1. Assisting the assister
            • 9 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Defo

          2. Il Capitano
            • 5 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            yep

        4. Ronnies
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          Which is the better use of a transfer?

          A) Senesi to Munoz
          B) Gudmundsson to O'Reilly

          Cheers.

          1. aapoman
            • 12 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            I'd do A. Bournemouth look very bad defensively and O'Reilly could be rested whereas Munoz seems nailed

          2. lilmessipran
            • 13 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            B

          3. AC/DC AFC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Palace are in their v busy schedule so I think that's a consideration

            Besides Burnley away

        5. aapoman
          • 12 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          So I had 0 thought going into last gameweek and panick transfered in Neco Williams (LOL) and Rogers for Senesi and Enzo. I still have 2ft and 0.2itb + FH on hand. Do I just sell them off again? Thinking about Neco + Rogers -> Timber + Anderson since I get to full 5 transfers anyway on gw16. Team after transfers would look pretty good.

          Raya
          VVD Timber Richards
          Saka Bruno Semenyo Ndiaye Anderson
          Haaland Mateta

          Dubravka; Andersen, Rodon, Guiu

        6. Il Capitano
          • 5 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          1FT 0.4m ITB

          Raya
          VVD O'Reilly Senesi*
          Saka Bruno Semenyo Sarr*
          Haaland Mateta Thiago

          Dub - Andersen King Alderete

          Senesi + Sarr to Lacroix + Minteh or Anderson + Munoz/Timber (-4)?

        7. Stranger Mings
          • 5 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          Who is barnes competition at newcastle? Really want him but maybe minteh safer?

          1. AC/DC AFC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Minteh safer for minutes

            I might get Barnes for a one week punt. Howe likes him as an option from the bench.

            1. Stranger Mings
              • 5 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Yeh torn as just seen predicted line up without him

          2. Conners
            • 6 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Gordon primarily, which makes him a no-go imho.

            1. Stranger Mings
              • 5 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Yeh assume gordon starts so maybe minteh

        8. AC/DC AFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          FH14 selection

          Raya
          VVD Thiaw Chalabah
          Saka Bruno BrunoG Eze Gakpo
          Haaland Woltemade

          Dub Nmecha Rodon Heaven

          Spent all the £.

          Not so sure about ...

          1. Chalabah to Mitchel/ Palace defender

          or

          2. Eze or Rice on another midfielder?

          3. Would you pick Haaland? How about Foden?

        9. The Bandit
          • 15 Years
          3 days, 19 hours ago

          Apologies in advance to Bruno owners. I’ve decided to buy him this week, even though every time I own him, he blanks and gets booked for mouthing off.

          1. Amartey Partey
            • 6 Years
            3 days, 19 hours ago

            Hopefully he doesn’t have a knock

          2. I have no Wirtz
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Don’t worry, just wait until gw16/17 that’s when I do Mbeumo>Bruno

              my good luck will overwrite your bad luck.

          3. OH... KEVIN DE BRUYNE
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              sarr + caicedo to who???

              already own saka, semenyo and mbuemo

              pick 2 for a limited budget)

              a) minteh
              b) andesron
              c) xhaka (on four yellows)
              d) KDH (bench fodder0
              e) gapko
              f) rice

              senesi to:

              1) o'reilly
              2) cash
              3) andersen
              4) lacroix (already own richards)
              5) thiaw

              leaning towards minteh, anderson and cash but other views would be appreciated

              1. AC/DC AFC
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                AE
                1

                D is a good option, as is F.

              2. Winston.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                AE
                1or5

            • Ajax Hamsterdam
              • 11 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Play Richards or truffert ? Cheers

            • Vasshin
              • 6 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Last week I was set on using my wildcard this week to remove Bumo and Bruno as I was thinking I was bringing United down because of having them in my team and also wanted to take out Semenyo because of injury and Gapko not starting.

              But I have recency bias now because of gapko and Bruno’s point.

              So what should I do
              1. Bruno, Bumo, Gapko, Semenyo and xhaka on bench(keep them and save wildcard)
              Use wildcard to make
              2. Saka, Gapko, Rice, bruno (kdh on bench)
              3. Saka, Gapko, Minteh, Bruno (kdh on bench)
              4. Saka, Gapko, Foden, Minteh (kdh on bench)
              5 or any other combo

              Thanks

            • Tmel
              • 14 Years
              3 days, 19 hours ago

              Which one to bench this week in my draft team?

              a) Lacroix (bur) - already have Munoz playing
              b) Livramento (TOT)
              c) Wirtz (SUN)
              d) Evanilson (EVE)
              e) Woltemade (TOT)

              1. Winston.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                C or B

              2. Amartey Partey
                • 6 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                C

              3. OH... KEVIN DE BRUYNE
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  b

              4. Winston.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                A. BrunoF. + Minteh or
                B. Foden + Gakpo ?

                1. Amartey Partey
                  • 6 Years
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  A

                2. Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  A

              5. Amartey Partey
                • 6 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                Which defender to bring in?

                A. Chalobah
                B. Keane

                1. Gizzachance
                  • 11 Years
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  A

              6. Gizzachance
                • 11 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                Sarr to

                A minteh
                B Anderson

                1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                  • 11 Years
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  I'm doing a

              7. Ajax Hamsterdam
                • 11 Years
                3 days, 19 hours ago

                Captain

                A haaland
                B bruno
                C Saka

                Cheers

              8. OH... KEVIN DE BRUYNE
                  3 days, 19 hours ago

                  a short tem
                  b long term

                  1. Amartey Partey
                    • 6 Years
                    3 days, 19 hours ago

                    A

                  2. FantasyTony
                    • 8 Years
                    3 days, 19 hours ago

                    B but A if you still have WC