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1 December 2012 5026 comments
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Gameweek 15 begins with the bluster of a London derby, laced with some good old fashioned ill-feeling between the managers. Rafa Benitez and Sam Allardyce face off having traded words in the past, in what promises to be a bruising encounter and one that is set to test the Rafa regime to the full.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to catch your reaction to events in this game and all of Saturday’s other seven encounters.

The team news from Upton Park is significant for both sides. The Hammers go into the game without Andy Carroll who has failed to overcome the knee knock suffered in the midweek defeat at Old Trafford – Carlton Cole leads the attack, then. On the plus side, Mark Noble returns from his ban to bolster the midfield, while Gary O’Neil is also drafted in with Matt Taylor and, surprisingly, Mo Diame dropping to the bench.

Once again we can see rotation in the Chelsea lineup. While Juan Mata is restored, it appears that it’s Oscar’s turn to get rested to the bench – he makes way for the Spaniard’s return. Victor Moses and Mikel also come in with Ryan Bertrand and Oriol Romeu dropping out. Gary Cahill replaces the suspended David Luiz as expected.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Billy Gilmore
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Great pass, Fernando 😆

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    1. OPTA FPL
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      just online? 😀
      You missed Mataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa storm

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      1. Billy Gilmore
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        Yep.

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        1. OPTA FPL
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          almost whole last 2-3 pages just 'Mataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa' LOL

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          1. Billy Gilmore
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            I gathered, with a few 😡 thrown in 😆

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  2. mutatedllama
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Torres to clear off the line into Mata's face forcing an own goal.

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  3. Bartowski
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    Has Moses declared for Nigeria?

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Hopefully.

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      1. Bartowski
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        Why are you Nigerian?

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          No.

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    2. Ragin Cajun
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Not only declared but plays for Nigeria!

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  4. Cilly Bonnolly
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    Haha. Good start. Did Mata to Walcott and played Jaaskelainen over Begovic.

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Begovic won´t keep a cleanie either imo

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      1. Cilly Bonnolly
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        Hope you're right.

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        1. Portuguese&Proud
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          have you seen WBA at home lately?? Long rested midweek as well i believe WBA will be very lethal

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  5. Granville
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Rafa benching Mata midweek is a reason he's looking sharp today. He did the right thing.

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    1. rvp786
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      hence why i kept him. A FRESH FIT MATA is lethal against any opposition

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      1. Granville
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Comments like 'that's why you don't bench him' are ridiculous. Obviously he's not a fitness machine like some players and needs a break.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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          They haven't won in 6 games Granville...benching him has cost them a bit IMO

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          1. Granville
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            He looked knackered against City last week. I wouldn't stick up for Rafa if I didn't think there was a good case here. Anyway that's just my opinion.

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            1. Bun Rab
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              He was rested the week before City. Played the same amount of Mins at West Brom as he did against Fulham.

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    2. Portuguese&Proud
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      indeed he looks fresh..

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    3. Owd Big 'Ed
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      No he didn't because they drew in midweek...

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    4. Ryan
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      Yep I would agree. Dropping Oscar and putting Mata in the hole is also a masterstroke

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    5. Smellbobs
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      couldn't agree more.

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    6. AK ⭐
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      +100

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    7. elkunaguero
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      Right, nothing wrong with resting players who have been playing a lot of games since August. I think people are over-reacting with Benitez.Top teams can't play the same 11 all year long with CL and International duties.

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    8. Bun Rab
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      Nope. It why the didn't win. Mata has had lots of rest. Half hour against West Brom, and at the start of the month. Also about a two months ago he had almost 3 weeks off including internationals.

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  6. Lateriser 12
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    Mata non-owners, stop being such losers.

    I am a non-owner and he plays for his team and his job is to play well. He DOES NOT play for your fpl team.

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      He is also the best player on earth on his day.

      Today is one of those days.

      GO TEAM MATA!

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    2. mutatedllama
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      What?

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      1. Lateriser 12
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        Some people lose a sense of reality.

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    3. Timon
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      yesh,lets think in this way
      He Plays for Chelsea ,
      can do what-ever he wants

      ps:Just dont score goals or assists please 🙁

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    4. Somalion
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Sure I sold him for a hit this week, still not regretting it yet. I'll only regret it after I see how Arsenal play (and if Walcott scores less than him).

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        ^^this^^ though I didn't sell him for a hit, I'm at least waiting until Bale plays before judging how good/bad the decision was

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      2. Area16
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Same. I sold him to get Suarez (C) and ill only stab myself if Suarez dont deliver.

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    5. Ryan
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      ? are you serious. We are all very quiet despite the zest of the Mata owners.

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      1. Lateriser 12
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        Not pointing at you.

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    6. AK ⭐
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      This. Disgusting people around.

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    7. Yossi
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      I don't get it???

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    8. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      ^^this^^^

      I put that I didn't regret selling him. I knew the risk I was taking, but Chelsea's lack of form, coupled with his forthcoming blank convinced me to sell

      By now I'm used to players producing the week I've sold them having experienced it wihh Santi and Adam Johnson

      Non-owners/sellers, deal with it. Owners well done, but keep it calm yeah, enjoy your moment but try and be nice

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      1. Ryan
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        Indeed. Its best not to get nasty at each other or mock each other too much.

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    9. bdwhite91
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      Seriously.

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  7. Tiki-Taka
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    My choice to go O'Brien over Rafael is not looking fantastic. Cannot see Manu keeping a CS either though so just got to pray for no Rafael attacking returns and a cheeky O'Brien assist!

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  8. The Baines
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    i am sitting on 3rd spot in my mini league.. the top two had transfered out mata this week and i have Mata.. good start to the GW..

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  9. super zlatan
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Although I have mata I am considering selling him for sexy sess next gw

    Madness?

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    1. rvp786
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      its what im doing. then im captaining sess

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    2. Yossi
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      Absolute madness, imo

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    3. Mílanista
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Mata could easily be rotated next week. I'll sell if he starts the CL game.

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    4. Henry Hill
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      I watched Sess Tuesday night and thought he was cack

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    5. Jafooli
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      I'll swap ya......Sess is toss.....and I have him..

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    6. Tiki-Taka
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Logical, Mata away at Sunderland then blank, home fixture with Villa after that but then 2 tough away games at Everton + Norwich.

      Sunderland DGW of course.

      Guess this is largely fixture based but I think there are still better midfield options than Mata, I just wouldnt keep Sess for long after the double

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      1. super zlatan
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers for opinion tika taka. Appreciate it.

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    7. 4-4-who?
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      As mad as a zlatter!

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  10. Brutus619
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Bale to Mata for a hit? Bale seems to be tired recently and Defoe hogs the limelight whereas Torres sucks and Mata owns! I think it's a smart move since Dempsey is all playing better than Bale atm.

    JK. I do want both though.....

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      lol

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    2. Alton E.
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      ...

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  11. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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    Should be quite amusing to watch the mata "transfers in" stat this week... Given that he has 1 game in the next 2 weeks... Id imagine quite a few will fall into the trap.

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  12. SirStevieG
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    It don't MATA if you're black or white

    do do do do do do

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    1. smythy
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      I got fifty Bentleys in the west-endees, it doesn't MATA!

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    2. Willis.
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      😆

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      1. smythy
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Yo Rock, I sold like 17million records, it doesn't MATA how many records u sold!

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  13. PogChamp
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Wow! Only 16% have Mata but yet Hazard is 36%. Surely Mata is a more consistent player. Has Hazard actually done anything besides the first few games of the season where he got shed loads of points??

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    1. Milner4eva
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      ghost ship teams have him

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    2. Paz12
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      In the Telegraph game which I play, Hazard ownership was over 60% a few weeks ago! Mental. I transferred him out for Bale this week, lets hope it pays off...(I have had Hazard from the start)...

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    3. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      %75 of peaople dont actually play anymore. All the Hazard owners are ghost ships

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      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        *People

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        1. Paz12
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Just wish I could see my opponents teams in my ML (they are all private teams)...as in the telegraph game you dont get free transfers each week just a set amount for the season, so I think quite a few will still have him...

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  14. Cheeseoid
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Finally a good start to week. Only one player playing and it is the man himself

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  15. Timon
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Mata can do whatever he wants, i can do with my team whatever i want 😀
    Thanks LR 😉
    back to studies

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  16. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    This is the first GW I can remember where I'm not really bothered if Hazard does well.

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  17. Jafooli
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Rafa In

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    1. OPTA FPL
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      .........

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      😆

      +1

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    3. Ryan
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Pity its an away game. Fans won't be warming to him in a hurry just yet.

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  18. Red-United
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    A new 'fresh' Tevez will probably have a blinder too now...always felt a bit wrong getting rid of him really.

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      ^^
      this is my hope for today as well

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  19. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    Disallowed goal nolan

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    1. DLL18
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      Harsh

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  20. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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    Nolan disallowed!

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  21. Ryan
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    Chelsea looking very good in attack. Broken the shackles for sure.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      I wonder is Rafa took a couple of games to organise the defence first before letting his attack loose.

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      1. Ryan
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        Yeah it seems that way. Chelsea actually has a properly wide midfield as well. Takes time to adjust I suppose.

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  22. Drip Doctor
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    Soft, very soft.

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  23. Willis.
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    Nolan disallowed goal.

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  24. Keep Calm and Sessegnon
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    Didn't look like a lot in that from Collins, could easily have been allowed.

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  25. Rafabio
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Delicious ball from Hazard to Mata...

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  26. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    Mata seems like he is on a personal mission to make the people who transferred him out this week pay.

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    1. Mílanista
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      OMG

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  27. OPTA FPL
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    Mata 😡

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  28. mutatedllama
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Do passbacks count as saves for the keeper? Technically it would have gone in if he didn't "save" it.

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    1. mutatedllama
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      Kidding of course 🙂

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  29. The Light Knight
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    Ramires doing anything?

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      You don't do you?

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      1. The Light Knight
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        Unfortunately yes. He does look well with my 5 man defence and crap strikers though

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      What do you think? 😉

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      1. The Light Knight
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        Bugger 😀

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          He's playing next to Mikel just in front of the back 4. I really can't see him producing much.

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  30. Doctor X
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    Mata on the drop again. -85% on FISO. Jeez.

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    1. Mílanista
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Won't drop now

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      That'll change

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