Dugout Discussion
1 December 2012 5026 comments
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Gameweek 15 begins with the bluster of a London derby, laced with some good old fashioned ill-feeling between the managers. Rafa Benitez and Sam Allardyce face off having traded words in the past, in what promises to be a bruising encounter and one that is set to test the Rafa regime to the full.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to catch your reaction to events in this game and all of Saturday’s other seven encounters.

The team news from Upton Park is significant for both sides. The Hammers go into the game without Andy Carroll who has failed to overcome the knee knock suffered in the midweek defeat at Old Trafford – Carlton Cole leads the attack, then. On the plus side, Mark Noble returns from his ban to bolster the midfield, while Gary O’Neil is also drafted in with Matt Taylor and, surprisingly, Mo Diame dropping to the bench.

Once again we can see rotation in the Chelsea lineup. While Juan Mata is restored, it appears that it’s Oscar’s turn to get rested to the bench – he makes way for the Spaniard’s return. Victor Moses and Mikel also come in with Ryan Bertrand and Oriol Romeu dropping out. Gary Cahill replaces the suspended David Luiz as expected.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Les Bleus
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Everyone who doesn't have a player playing today (ie Giroud) don't forget that there were games in mid week. These are regular human beings who need the rest as well. So just keep the faith and chin up 🙂

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    1. Beamer
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      how come stoke players dont get rest..... they are not regular human being you mean!

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      And they'll come on and score a brace, be refreshed for next week and score a hat-trick 😀

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    3. mufc802
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Reckon Nastasic is still preferred to Lescott?

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      1. Les Bleus
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Personally, that is an interesting one. We'll find out next week and according to today's results

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    4. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Or be jealous of people like me who so far have everyone starting 😎 things FINALLY are starting to go my way again.

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      1. The Finnisher
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Only 1 benched for me so far. Billy bloody Jones.

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      2. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Same here, but it doesn't mean they will perform

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    5. Kuqi Monster
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      this post is too sensible for a sat afternoon!

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    6. thegame
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      i had the theory arsenal were qualified in champs league and it was a save move from jelavic. lets hope he does something off the bench

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      1. thegame
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        safe

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      2. Portuguese&Proud
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        they r qualified but i believe Wenger wants that 1st place that Schalke is holding

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  2. SirStevieG
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    There was absolutely no news of Routledge not playing whatsoever.

    I hate Swansea.

    Oh well. In comes Punch!

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    1. The Finnisher
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      They had 10 men on the team least. Routledge not injured or benched from what we know so I think he's playing.

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      1. Billy Gilmore
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Check again, they have 11 players.

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Did they?

          Oh yes, missed "Ki" 🙄 my bad.

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      2. SirStevieG
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Nah there is 11 named

        Tremmel, Rangel, Williams (c), Chico, Davies, Britton, de Guzman, Ki, Dyer, Michu, Shechter

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah my bad..

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      3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        nah they have 11

        1 Tremmel

        2 Rangel

        3 Williams

        4 Chicho

        5 Davies

        6 Britton

        7 JDG

        8 Ki

        9 Dyer

        10 Michu

        11 Schechter

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  3. Alton E.
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Jonjo Shelvey right wing? 😀

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    1. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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      left wing

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  4. JT's Dog
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Am I reading it right, no Suarez?

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      1. Billy Gilmore
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        He's playing.

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      2. Viper
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        He is playing..

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    • CABAYE4
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Is Giroud on the bench?

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      1. athleticbilbobaggins
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Yes

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        1. CABAYE4
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Cheers

          A late goal off the bench would be nice.

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    • Rafabio
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Moses off

      Marin on

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    • ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Ridgewell is on Bench

      He has been rested

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      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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        is morrison

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      2. The Chosen One...
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Or dropped

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      3. Park the bus
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        balls!!

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    • Milner4eva
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      well excited about watching marin, amazing talent

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    • Ryan
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Off to watch the rugby. Stay classy FFS and be nice

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    • Smakies
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Do you guys think giroud could come on ?

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      1. athleticbilbobaggins
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Yes. Around the 80th minute. Classic Wenger substitution. Giroud and/or Arshavin.

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        1. Smakies
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          okay then, i guess michu won't come off my bench

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        2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Arshavin not in squad

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          1. athleticbilbobaggins
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Well, the point was his laaate 80th minute substitutions.

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    • The Finnisher
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Andre Wisdom on the bench. Hopefully Shelvey has a shit game, Enrique > LW please.

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      1. Billy Gilmore
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        As a Liverpool fan, I hope Enrique has a shocker and is dropped.

        P.S. I own Enrique.

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        1. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          You're a strange fan 😐

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          1. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Why? I don't rate Enrique at all.

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            1. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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              Well OK, but surely he's better than Downing... and as a fan, you want your team to do well, which means the players playing well, whether you like them or not!

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                • 16 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                I agree with Billy.

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                1. Billy Gilmore
                  • 13 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Thank you, Doos! 🙂

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                  1. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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                    🙁 😛

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              2. Billy Gilmore
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                13 years, 1 month ago

                I'd rather Wisdom plays, with GJ at LB.

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                1. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Fair enough, good shout. But I think Enrique's better than some give him credit for.

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            2. Kuqi Monster
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              13 years, 1 month ago

              hoping one of your team plays bad? I agree that's strange...

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      2. OPTA FPL
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        I'm afraidof he steals the Suarez show today

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        1. CarelessGenius©
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Suarez has been quiet since I put him in.....
          Now it's payback time Monsieur Goofy....

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    • Thatsnotcricket
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ummmm why the f**k has Morrison been dropped?

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      • The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Arsenal.com ‏@Arsenal

        Substitutes: Mannone, Squillaci, Coquelin, Ramsey, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud.

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      • Trigg ⭐️
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        So what's the latest around these parts guys?

        Mata is essential again, and Nasty is now out of favour, just as he was getting transferred in?

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I think he might be injured. Not even on the bench.

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        2. OPTA FPL
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Mata out !.

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        3. Kostja
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          with so many games in a small period of time. We are having a lot of fatigue related rotation. Hard to make out who has been dropped and who is just getting a rest.

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        4. Gobigorgohome
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Keep in mind Mata has a blank after Sun game. I will bring him back after that blank.

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        5. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Essential for SUN away and a blank in GW17? Nope.

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      • JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        so Baines v Kolarov in the battle of the left-back set-piece takers

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I have both in action.

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      • For Fuchs Sake
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Looks like Enrique has gone back into defence.....

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        1. OPTA FPL
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Suarez CB

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      • Davido989
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Shelvey isn't on the wing you knobs

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        1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
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          You sound lovely.

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        2. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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          yes he is

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      • rohan
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        Why would Wenger bench Giroud in a must wi game?

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        1. rohan
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          *win

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        2. CarelessGenius©
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          If you were gonna rest him you would do it in a game you'd think you could win without him....

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        3. Kostja
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          cause the game midweek is probably much more difficult and equally or even more of a must win and he has played 7 games in a row in a short period of time.

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        4. Bullet Tooth Bony
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          The boy needs his rest. He'll be back better than ever.

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      • CarelessGenius©
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Nasty injury?
        Or a day off for playing so well recently.....

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      • Raul
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        reid nearly goal!!

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      • Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Shit, shit. 🙁

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      • Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Well that proves how important Demi is. Team sheet fiasco!!!

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        1. Mayhey Kid
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Demi out sick. Giroud on the bench. Rough start for a few this GW!

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      • Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Shit.

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Unlucky with Giroud...

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          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            I have Aguero benched 🙁

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            1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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              I have Aguero, ridgewell and morrison. I win

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            2. Jax
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              no you don't

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          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            13 years, 1 month ago

            Never mind him - we nearly scored!

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      • Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Collins just nailed Torres

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      • Brutus619
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        So is Enrique back at LB? :/

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yup

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      • Rafabio
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        A. Cole clears a header off the line. Brilliant.

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        1. CarelessGenius©
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Baps for that??

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      • Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        COYI!!!

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      • JT's Dog
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Damn just realised I also captained giroud as well as swapping for tevez.

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        • Gobigorgohome
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          13 years, 1 month ago

          Rafa should be out if they draw 1-1 this match 🙂

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          1. Trigg ⭐️
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            I'm so excited ... only 2 more Chelsea managers until Christmas!!!

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        • Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          To conclude:
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          Arsenal: Szczesny, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski, Gervinho.
          Subs: Mannone, Squillaci, Coquelin, Ramsey, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud.

          Swansea: Tremmel, Rangel, Williams (c), Chico, Davies, Britton, de Guzman, Ki, Dyer, Michu, Shechter.
          Subs: Cornell, Monk, Tiendalli, Agustien, Richards, Moore, Donnelly.

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          Fulham: Schwarzer, Riether, Senderos, Hughes, Riise, Sidwell, Diarra, Dejagah, Frei, Petric, Berbatov.
          Subs: Etheridge, Kelly, Baird, Karagounis, Richardson, Duff, Rodallega.

          Spurs: Lloris, Naughton, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Dempsey, Defoe
          Subs: Friedel, Walker, Gallas, Carroll, Livermore, Sigurdsson & Falque

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          Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Shelvey, Sterling, Suarez.
          Subs: Jones, Carragher, Sahin, Henderson, Downing, Suso, Wisdom.

          Soton: Gazzaniga, Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Puncheon, Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana, Ramírez, Lambert.
          Subs: K. Davis, Hooiveld, S. Davis, Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse, Mayuka, Reeves

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          Citeh: Hart, Maicon, Kompany, Lescott, Kolarov, Yaya Toure, Barry, Silva, Nasri, Tevez, Dzeko.
          Subs: Pantilimon, Zabaleta, Kolo Toure, Sinclair, Garcia, Aguero, Balotelli

          Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Naismith, Pienaar, Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Jelavic.
          Subs: Mucha, Oviedo, Heitinga, Hitzlsperger, Barkley, Vellios, Gueye

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          QPR: Green; Traore, Hill, Nelsen, Bosingwa; Taarabt, Diakite, Granero, Mbia, Wright-Phillips; Mackie.
          Subs: Murphy, Derry, Ferdinand, Park, Cisse, Fabio da Silva, Hoilett.

          Villa: Guzan, Clark, Agbonlahor, Holman, Westwood, Benteke, Bannan, Lichaj, Herd, Baker, Lowton
          Subs: Given, Ireland, El Ahmadi, Bent, Delph, Weimann, Williams

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          WBA: Myhill; Reid, McAuley, Olsson, Popov; Yacob, Mulumbu; Rosenberg, Gera, Dorrans; Long.
          Subs: Unsure?

          Stoke: Begovic; Shotton, Shawcross (c), Huth, Cameron; Walters, Whelan, Nzonzi, Adam, Etherington; Jones.
          Subs: Sorensen, Palacios, Whitehead, Upson, Kightly, Wilkinson, Jerome.

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          1. Trigg ⭐️
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Thanks!

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          2. Granville
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            West Brom subs: Daniels, Ridgewell, Morrison, Brunt, Odemwingie, Lukaku, Tamas.

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            1. Parm
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Cheers Granny. No B.Jones 🙁

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