Dugout Discussion
23 December 2012 3491 comments
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Having watched City struggle to claim three points against lowly Reading, it’s now United’s turn to keep pace with Sir Alex Ferguson’s side facing an altogether more testing encounter at the Liberty Stadium. United’s trip to Swansea gets Sunday’s action underway, with a globe-trotting Chelsea the latest side to face Paul Lambert’s in-form Villa later this afternoon. Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to collect the real-time chatter whilst the goals and assists accumulate.

The team news from Wales finds the home side making two changes with Michael Laudrup recalling Michel Vorm in goal, while Kemy Agustien comes in for his first league start this term, replacing Ki Sung-Yueng who drops to the bench to make way. Angel Rangel is still sidelined so Dwight Tiendalli continues at right-back. Nathan Dyer and Wayne Routledge take up the flank roles with Pablo Hernandez still out injured. Presumably we’ll see Michu lead the attack once again.

There are two changes for United, with Nemanja Vidic making a belated return to the starting lineup in defence. He lines up next to the returning Jonny Evans, with Rio Ferdinand and Chris Smalling both making way. Phil Jones remains at right-back in the absence of the hamstrung Rafael.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. super zlatan
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Torres 6/1 next goal scorer.

    Have a bang on that...

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    1. Manani
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      got torres to score anytime+chelsea win. only put 1 quid though, as that is the only thing left in my account 🙁

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      1. super zlatan
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Lol. Well nice bet all the same

        Need mata to get the finger out second half from a fantasy perspective.

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    2. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Those adverts have no effect on me.

      I am too smart for them.

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      1. Godfather Bandit 42
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        You mentioned them. Effect completed.

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  2. Cheggers
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    New the dead team i had in the cup had a chelsea defender, so was bricking it.

    Luckyily for me it was A Cole 😀

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      same here 😀

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    2. jose-mourinho
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      acole to score n assist in the second half

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  3. oomzee
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Do people think Fergie likely to rest RVP for the Newcastle game? He did say he was going to rotate his forwards and looks the safest game to do so.

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      More likely to rest Rooney who was crap!

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    2. topcat24
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Could do but as both Rooney and RVP both on 4 bookings now , more likely now to be rested for WBA game

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  4. Nopli
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Currently on 54 points with Mata and Torres to play for 45 more minutes 🙂

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      *Torres to play for another 20 only

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    2. Pinoche
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Sorry but you're quite annoying.

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      1. Nopli
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Sorry for that but am having a good week after a very long time 😉

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        1. Pinoche
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          Ok I understand 🙂

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      2. Call Me Old Fashioned
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        No need to be sorry...

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          +1 Aatish ain't the one who should be apologising

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  5. Dante
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Really gutted that Ivanovic scored. Nearly everyone in my league has him...

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      His ownership is quite high due to early big pt haul

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    2. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      AND my cup rival, who captained Gera!!

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      1. OPTA FPL
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        😯 ....

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  6. Andy1
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Any suggestions to my team?

    Begovic tremmel
    Sagna Enrique garrido cuellar clyne
    Mata bale michu yaya noble
    Rvp tevez long

    Any good ideas for substitutions?

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  7. FPL Touches
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Time for Berba to go...

    Team of:
    Bego (Jaask)
    GJ - Rafa - Olsson (Nelsen, Clyne)
    Bale - Walcott - Michu - Puncheon - Sterling
    RVP - Suarez - Berba

    1 FT to play with, want to try and get in some CHE and maybe MCI...
    Any suggestions? 🙂

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    1. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Keep berba

      Walcott to silva?

      Any money in bank?

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  8. southernpacific
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Need villa to score.. otherwise that yellow from RVP will cost me my cup tie

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  9. David Davros
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Walcott + Aguero > Silva + Torres?

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  10. Sting
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    If Hazard does anything more in the second half I'm out of the cup. Unless Mata can step up

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  11. The Pep Revolution
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    I really need Mata to have a powerful second half.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      He might be subbed of after the hour mark

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    2. Cheggers
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      cant seem him being on much past 60, chelsea have won this, might as well rest him up for the next tie.

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      1. The Pep Revolution
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        That would be my luck. Hopefully he will score before that though.

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    3. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Game is won. He'll be taken off soon.

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  12. Cheggers
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    I feel justice was done for people with RVP (c). So lame captaining him in tough away games when chelsea and city have easy fixtures.

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      yeah, should have captained tevez 🙄

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    2. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      What about those who captained a Citeh striker or Mata?

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      1. Cheggers
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        thats hindsight though - on paper city strikers and mata would make sense.

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          But so is everything when you are analysing it. You can't write off RVP just because it's a tough fixture, Swansea conceded 4 in their last home game.

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        2. Thick Of It
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          As does RVP as the highest point scorer in the entire game

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        3. Godfather Bandit 42
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          But they didn't 'make sense' in reality!!!

          Reality + Points. Btw, who was your captain?

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    3. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Justice? What on earth are you on about? They had faith in the player.

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      1. Cheggers
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Nonsense. Should always back fixtures

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        1. Bad Seed
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          not with the threat of rotation over the city and chelsea assets

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        2. Godfather Bandit 42
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          Disagree. Sometimes ack Form, Sometimes back Fixtures. That's the fun - choosing the right one at the right moment...

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    4. Manani
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      how about (C) tevez/Kun?

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    5. Thick Of It
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      True, Citeh really piled on the points yesterday

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      1. bdwhite91
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        It was the logical thing to do, I have no regrets.

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    6. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      It was him or Silva for me. Silva was lucky too. Swansea aren't that good defensively at home, as we all think

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    7. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      He delivered in his toughest away game this season against City 2 weeks ago and it's the first game in 5 he hasn't scored.

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      1. Cheggers
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        You are missing the point.

        No point captaining RVP away to a good side when Chelsea and City have dross at home. I know city didnt deliver but thats not the issue.

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        1. kaz 96
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          suarez has disappointed against quite a lot of poor teams at home

          besides, not everyone has him and aguero/tevez

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    8. subzero
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      let there be more such fools

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    9. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      yellow card was a bit annoying but an assist isnt the end of the world, considering.

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  13. bdwhite91
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    My bottom 7 team was winning 23-3 until Ivanovic, RVP, and Luiz played

    24-23 now lol. I definitely lost because of bonus and 60 minute points.

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  14. Gobigorgohome
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    OMG 3 goals and Mata is still on 1 point 😯

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    1. Pat Mustard
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Sorry but, love it!

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    2. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Patience mate patient. This is marathon not a sprint

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      1. Brutus619
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Yeah but they've already crossed the finish line........

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  15. jonnybhoy
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Rooney and kanu - torres and puncheon
    Then sterling - walcott?
    Your thoughts?

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  16. Godfather Bandit 42
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    What's the Mata???!!!

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  17. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Moses is also maybe worth a punt. Clearly Rafa favorit. Luiz, Lamps too, suddenly plenty of Chelsea options. The "old ones" Mata, Hazard. Torres up front, Ivan, Cashley, Cesar even for the price. WOW. No team in the PL has that kind of FPL options

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    1. Cheggers
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Moses provides the pace and power that Oscar didn't. Agree with you to be honest and think he gives more balance.

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    2. bdwhite91
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Agreed

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    3. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      and even cole,mikel,terry,hilario,cech and sturridge. right?

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Hell no, read my post Kaz 😀

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      2. heartsattack
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Sturridge especially 😉

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          Sturridge is worth as a Liv player no?

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          1. heartsattack
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 12 months ago

            That's what I was getting at.

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    4. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      I disagree. Luiz, Ivan and Torres are the only viable options.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Cashley no? Hazard and Mata no?

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      2. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        You don't think Mata's a good option?

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          I am, other lad doesn't

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          1. Mílanista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 12 months ago

            That's why I replied to the monkey.

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            1. Billy Gilmore
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 12 months ago

              He's being kneejerky, as they're the players who have scored.

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            2. Ginkapo FPL
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 12 months ago

              Not anymore. With Rafa aiming to get everything going through Torres the assists and other goals will be spread around a lot more, thus Mata does not take a lionshare of the points no more.

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    5. BootlegRascal
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      When you take your rose-tinted spectacles off you'll realise there arent't really that many good options

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      1. heartsattack
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        A very young and promising Villa side who will take a few batterings along the way. I'll start believing in Chelsea a bit more after the 2 away games.

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          Yeah yeah, I am talking from FPL point of view

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  18. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    This GW needs to end, bring on Boxing Day.

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    1. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Must say I'm enjoying this gw. 🙂

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        I can't remember the last GW I've enjoyed 🙁

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  19. Jebiga
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    what do you think about Mata and his gametime in next 4 games ? He will be on the bench or no ?

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    1. Cheggers
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      start all, come off at 60 odd mins in all

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      1. Jebiga
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        cool, than im glad that i dont have him this GW, but i will have him next GW 😀

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  20. The King
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Chelsea cover essential?

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    1. bdwhite91
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Plan on getting defense and possibly Torres in the WC. Unless they get another forward. I'd stick with Mata in that case

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      1. The King
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Yeah, think I'll get some cover for the WC. Next two fixtures are tricky.

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  21. Gobigorgohome
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Finally My Suarez(C) is not that bad. 🙂

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    1. Pinoche
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      +21

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  22. bangers and M*A*S*H
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Ba or Suarez out for Torres?

    Please help

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    1. jonnybhoy
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Tough choice both key players, personally i would take put ba

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  23. heeljames
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    5 different players on my team score this week, and I go and pick Tevez as my captain #fail

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    1. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Still good though.

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      1. heeljames
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Yeah, I shouldnt complain really as ive been very lucky with goals this week, just frustrating having a usually very reliable player fail to produce against an awful team the only time ive ever captained him

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    2. BootlegRascal
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      1 player scored in my team and he's owned by 95% of active players.

      Tell me more about how you failed.

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  24. andres
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Bego ruddy
    Baines g.johnson simpson gorkss RAFAEL

    Best replacement for rafael??

    Thx for the advice

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      David Luiz

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      1. andres
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Cannot afford him at the moment, would haveto be for a hit

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    2. heeljames
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Id change Baines before Rafael, he is almost guaranteed his spot back when he is fit and Baines hasnt produced anything in weeks.

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      1. andres
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        I wont have a defence for the next gw if i dont sell rafael, will keep baines for wigan

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  25. Lawrø
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Baps for Silva, Sessegnon, Michu, Suarez, Begovic and Skrtel?

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2

      U r welcome

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      1. Lawrø
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        Thank you!

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      2. kaz 96
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 12 months ago

        THIS

        suarez to get 0

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        1. blue cheese
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 12 months ago

          No. 1

          http://i.imgur.com/ieZZV.png

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    2. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      All could get baps

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    3. The EJJ
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      2,2,1/2,1,1,3

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  26. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Just noticed I have 7 players playing away next gw , anyone have more?

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Plenty in the same boat. Beside Utd no one from the big sides are at home

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  27. kaz 96
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    If mata fails to score more than 12 points, i will complete my relegation great escape 😎

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      If you don't do it on the last day it can't be that great 😉

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  28. Nopli
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    9 shots, 9 on target, 3 goals. Bonus for everyone? 😯

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Cech should get all 3

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    2. Gobigorgohome
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      OMG PLEASE NO!

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  29. samcro
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Missed the first half? Has Torres played well or just scored?

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    1. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Nice header. Playing ok.

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  30. .
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 12 months ago

    Had Hazard at the start, then sold at the peak for 10.3m. Time to get back on the wagon, or would Mata be a better acquisition?

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    1. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 12 months ago

      Mata all day long. Hazard just a sideshow.

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