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In our second selection guide for The Sun Dream Team, we turn our attention to the defence, casting an eye on the strategies involved in selecting a back four and the prime candidates on offer.

While the big points scorers can be found further up the field, with a quartet of defenders a pre-requisite for our lineups in The Sun Dream Team, we can ill-afford to neglect this area. As with our goalkeeper selection, we’re looking for regular starters first and foremost, although, as we’ll see, attacking instincts and the potential for goals is also key.

Before we begin looking at specific player options, let’s analyse the factors that govern our selection – including last season’s performance, the influence of cup fixtures and possible transfer window strategies.

The Strategies

Top Ten Sun Dream Team Defenders by Overall Points 2012/13

NameTeamStarts7+ RatingsStar ManGoalsCSGCPoints
BainesEverton4432571248196
IvanovicChelsea5421381860177
VertonghenTottenham Hotspur4828371359164
LuizChelsea5018171955153
AggerLiverpool3820131741138
ShawcrossStoke City4022511344135
JohnsonLiverpool4120211846135
WilliamsSwansea City4125301347129
JagielkaEverton4118431144129
MertesackerArsenal4314131743124

Looking back at the previous campaign’s data, it’s clear that some familiar names from other Fantasy games also dominate in The Sun Dream Team. Leighton Baines’ status as the top defensive asset is compounded by his standing, here: he finished the season some 22 points ahead of his nearest rival in The Sun Dream Team, despite claiming just 12 clean sheets. Everton’s progress to the FA Cup semi-finals boosted another eye-catching Premier League season for Baines, who achieved a points per game stat of 4.5 – by far the most impressive amongst the top ranked defenders.

The Chelsea pairing of Branislav Ivanovic and David Luiz benefited from a successful Europa League campaign but turned in points per game numbers of 3.2 and 2.9 respectively – emphasising Baines’ efficiency. Tottenham’s Jan Vertonghen was also aided by Europa League appearances and, overall, it’s significant that these top four defenders all claimed seven or more goals over the season – underlining the importance of targeting those capable of contributing at the sharp end.

While goals are clearly an important factor, we should also consider the role played by points gained for Star Man and 7+ ratings.

Baines, Stoke’s Ryan Shawcross and West Ham’s James Collins all topped the Star Man charts for defenders with modest totals of five awards. In 2011/12, Baines, along with Shawcross, were two of eight defenders tied on just three at the top. Compare this to Juan Mata’s 15, and the 13 accrued by both Gareth Bale and Luis Suarez last season, and it’s clear that, like goalkeepers, defenders struggle to overshadow their attacking team-mates when it comes to picking up man-of-the-match status.

Points from 7+ Sun Ratings are easier to obtain, however. There were ten defenders who earned 7+ ratings on 20 or more occasions last season, with Baines registering a hugely impressive tally of 32 from his 44 starts, gathering 96 points in this area. Vertonghen also gained heavily here – he collected 7+ ratings on 28 occasions from 48 starts, while Swansea’s Ashley Williams earned the same accolade in 25 of his 41 Dream Team starts.

As a rule, aside from the obvious benefit of scoring in a match, dominant central defenders and full-backs with strong attacking impetus are the most likely to earn a 7+ rating. Baines has featured in the top five rankings for 7+ ratings over the last four seasons – emphasising the importance of a consistent attacking presence. Similarly, both Shawcross and Williams have made the top ten for 7+ ratings in the past two seasons (with Star Man awards also a factor) – it’s obvious that the duo have something to offer in this area.

Cup Campaigns

There’s no question that a Cup run and, in particular, a European campaign can be big factors behind the number of appearances, and therefore the points tallies, of your defenders. In some cases, defensive stalwarts can be less prone to rotation than their attacking counterparts.

Vertonghen was a key benefactor of Tottenham’s Europa League campaign last term, earning 41 of his 164 points in Europe. Similarly, both Ivanovic and Luiz collected 17 and 25 additional points from Champions League and Europa League matches, with Liverpool’s Glen Johnson fetching 18 additional points.

We’re not talking big margins here, but clearly, targeting players with the potential of regular starts in European matches is another factor to consider.

Domestic cup runs can also be considered, but these are far trickier to anticipate, with rotation in the FA and Capital One Cups likely to be rife amongst those sides also competing in Europe. Typically, we’ll see all the Champions League contenders rotate across the board in the domestic cup competitions, leading us to look to those teams outside of these four, perhaps honing in on those sides who will field strong lineups in both domestic trophies – the likes of Everton, West Ham and Norwich, perhaps.

Window Watching

Planning transfer strategies according to The Sun Dream Team Transfer Window is crucial, not least in defence where you can tailor your tactics to give yourself the best opportunity of earning clean sheet rewards.

Transfer Window 1 opens with just three Premier League fixtures played out, on September 3. You’ll have three transfers to use before the Gameweek 4 on September 14 and, with a “use them or lose” policy, it’s wise to examine the options of signing defenders with this in mind.

It’s worth considering a policy of adopting one or even two slots in your back four that can be used to rotate a defender in and out in each Transfer Window according to fixtures and cup progress. Of course, such best laid plans can be ripped up by untimely injuries, however.

The Season Ticker is your key weapon here. We can easily identify those with the easier fixtures over the first three Gameweeks and, if you’re a member, you can use the “clean sheets” filter on the interactive ticker to find those defences most likely to earn shut-outs in this spell.

Our members can also tailor their ticker to examine the next Transfer Window that opens on November 12. By restricting the full Members Ticker to Gameweeks 3-11 you can analyse the difficulty of fixtures between Transfer Window 1 and Transfer Window 2, revealing some valid strategies and targets.

As an example, Southampton face home matches with West Ham, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Fulham and Hull all before Transfer Window 2, therefore, switching in a defender from St Mary’s in Transfer Window 1 for this spell looks an option.

With the Capital One Cup reaching the fourth round by October 28, you will be able to adjust your defence according to those teams who have made progress by the time Transfer Window 2 comes into effect.

It’s not so easy in Europe, with the Europa League and Champions League both on matchday four of the group stages by the time Transfer Window 2 opens.

The FA Cup Third Round does not take place until January 4, so progress here only becomes a factor for the Transfer Window 3 that opens on January 21.

The Players

Baines and Vertonghen are obvious draws once again this season with both set to offer a significant attacking threat and assured league starts. There are caveats that might curb investment prior to Transfer Window 1, however, with Baines’ future at Goodison still not uncertain and Vertonghen looking a doubt for the opening fixtures with a pre-season ankle injury. Once settled, however, both look hugely tempting as heavy-hitter investments with Vertonghen’s price tag of £5.5m, coupled with Tottenham’s kind schedule of fixtures up until Transfer Window 2, perhaps giving him the edge once fit.

Coverage of both Man City and United will be high on the agenda given their potential to harvest clean sheets, although the fixture list suggests that initial investment should go the way of Manuel Pellegrini’s side. City have Newcastle, Cardiff and Hull before the first transfer window, while United’s defence face both Liverpool and Chelsea in the same spell.

Vincent Kompany seems likely to be the most secure option in the City rearguard with both full-backs and the Belgian’s central defensive partner set to shuffle on the domestic front and in Europe. If you’re not spending on Joe Hart in goal, the City captain looks a shoo-in, at least until Transfer Window 1 swings open and the United defence comes into play.

That will also give us time to assess how David Moyes will approach his back four. With the likes of Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Jonny Evans and Phil Jones all available for the centre-half roles, the full-backs – Patrice Evra and Rafael, could be the safer routes to take. Jones, if he can cement a start, either in defence or midfield, looks the one to watch given his modest £4m price tag.

Chelsea’s defensive assets are difficult to sift through. Jose Mourinho will surely rotate at the back and, aside from Ashley Cole (£6.0), few look assured of regular starts in the league, let alone the cup competitions. Luiz, with a significant goal threat, looks to be the crown jewel but at £6.5m, his potential comes at a price. With a difficult start to the campaign (United, Everton, Tottenham and City all before Transfer Window 2), it may be wise to look elsewhere in order to assess Mourinho’s selection pattern.

Lower down the brackets, Ashley Williams, with a valuation of just £3.5m, has attracted more interest than any other defender – he’s been selected by over 31% of managers in The Sun Dream Team so far. Swansea’s Europa League campaign is presumably a factor, here, with Chico (£2.5) finding his way into over 21% of sides. Both could be set to plummet should Swansea falter in qualifying, although arguably, the duo have merits regardless of potential European returns.

Liverpool’s Kolo Toure looks a stronger option in the same bracket. Having figured prominently in pre-season and with Martin Skrtel’s future at Anfield far from certain, Toure looks exceptional value at just £3m. As we mentioned in our previous guide to The Sun Dream Team goalkeepers, there is real merit in acquiring both Toure and Simon Mignolet given their price and Liverpool’s strong early schedule.

Baines’ team-mate Seamus Coleman (£3m) offers an interesting alternative. Classed as a midfielder last season, Coleman is expected to claim the start on the right side of Roberto Martinez’s defence, either as a full-back or wing-back. That should see him contribute regularly to attack and draw plenty of 7+ ratings should Martinez start his Goodison career strongly.

In the budget bracket, West Ham’s defence offers new signing Razvan Rat for just £1m – a hugely attractive option going into Transfer Window 1 with the Hammers facing Cardiff and Stoke at Upton Park, with a trip to Newcastle sandwiched in between. Rat could be a keeper over the season given that price tag, although a transfer out to cash in on Southampton’s aforementioned run up to Transfer Window 2 looks a good tactic.

Full-backs Luke Shaw and Nathaniel Clyne can each be acquired for £2.5m and if Jose Fonte or Jos Hooiveld can secure at start, they can be snapped up for just £1m. Beyond those two clubs, Norwich City’s Michael Turner, at just £1.5m, looks another bargain. If he can gain continue to command starts alongside Sebastian Bassong, he should offer value, particularly if Chris Hughton’s side can translate their summer spending into a domestic Cup run.

The Sun Dream Team Scout League

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We also have our own Fantasy Football Scout League with a £1000 top prize on offer to the winner.

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  1. DelPuich
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    i just wrote a song about a hunk of cheese

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  2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    Helen Flanagan vs Michelle Keegan

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    1. Declan-
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      Michelle Keegan

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        I agree.

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      2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        But I have to agree with what Helen Flanagan said earlier 2day 😀

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        1. The Shadow
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          The best that money could buy.

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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            All natural!

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            1. Captain Shirokov
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              Lies.

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              1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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                Jealous!

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    2. Captain Shirokov
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      MK.

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  3. RVP fc
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    who do you think is the best 4.5m defender other then collins? are m turner, yanga mbiwa and shaw?clyne the best options

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      Clyne is far from the best option.

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      1. _Greg
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        hmmm, why is clyne better than shaw? more goals/assists, but shaw surely has more potential over the season no? might get them both...

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        1. Chu Young Ping Pong
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          I said he's not the best option 😀

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          1. _Greg
            • 15 Years
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            ah, yes, sorry, misread lol

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    2. DelPuich
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      clyne is fast in fifa 13

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    3. manrah
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      shaw.

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  4. DelPuich
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    if rooney goes to chelsea, will everyone get rid of lukaku

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
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      Yes.

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      1. DelPuich
        • 13 Years
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        going to cause a major reshuffle in a lot of teams

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    2. _Greg
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      absolutely

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    3. Sánchez
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      No because it wont happen until 31st of August.
      Moyes wont sell him pre week 1 only to have him score the winner b.s. Man utd week 2.

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      1. Sánchez
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Vs sorry.

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      2. manrah
        • 14 Years
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        this^ lukaku will still be good for the double.

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    4. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
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      If Rooney goes to Chelsea I will be v happy 🙂

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  5. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    Where is the flag button?

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    1. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
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      next to the time of the post.

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        Ty

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  6. _Greg
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    can't see point in RMT until bale does one.

    Luiz/Terry/Ivanovic, I'm gonna give them a number each so could someone post a number between 1-3 and i'll choose that person. thanks!

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    1. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
      • 13 Years
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      4 (cole)

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      1. _Greg
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        ah, yeah I meant cole not iva actually, I personally think coloe is most nailed on, followed by luiz, then terry, then iva

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    2. Spin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Thats your forum name, really! How the f they let u post that?
      I have tamer comments deleted most days...

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      1. _Greg
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        I did it as a joke and forgot about it actually! whoops, yeah better change it now lol

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    3. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
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      666

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  7. aint got a kalou
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    In a serious conundrum with strikers
    Need two from Lambert lukaku aspas bent berba anelka and graham with 13.5m

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    1. RVP fc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      berba and j rod

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    2. _Greg
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      lukaku/anelka for me

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      1. aint got a kalou
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Already have hazard and Cole and do not want to take any hits but yet leave at least 1 of my first 3 gw transfers for an unforeseen event ie injury or a major bandwagon

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    3. polis
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Scrap Graham, can't see Hull scoring a load.

      If you want Lamb, Lukaku, or Berba you have to go with Anelka, no?

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      1. aint got a kalou
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        True yeah look like another stoke almost to me gd last year was less than 10

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    4. stephenl15
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Lukaku Graham fits into 13.5 or so I think

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      1. aint got a kalou
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Yep it does but Graham over anelka?

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  8. DÏLKS
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    For some stupid reason, i've gone and took out Bale, a RMT now?

    Migs

    Mert - Luiz - Collins

    Hazard (c) - Coutinho - Mirallas - Walcott

    Lambert - Dzeko - Lukaku

    Subs: Boruc, Snoddy, Clyne and Parr.

    Opinions?

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    1. _Greg
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      I personally think 8.5/10

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      1. DÏLKS
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        What would you improve?

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        1. polis
          • 14 Years
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          Nice. I'd look at Lambert. I can't see him doing the same again. When Ponch started to play JRod, Lambert looked a different player.

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        2. _Greg
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          I'd probably go Mert to Toure and Parr to Saylor. Also you probably don't need a sub keeper so the 0.5 can be found here. Saylor covers the Southampton/West Ham rotation pretty well when they have a top 6 team

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          1. DÏLKS
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            All i'm thinking with Mert is that he is 98% nailed on, and will guarantee you some cleansheets.

            I've already got Clyne for a Southampton week though, so he will rotate with Collins?

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            1. _Greg
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              yeah 38/38

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    2. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
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      Do u think Dzeko will play ?

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      1. ccc
        • 13 Years
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        the word today is he is city's number 1 striker. We all want to believe it so badly.

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        1. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
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          When Kun gets back he will surely be #1

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      2. _Greg
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        at the start, yeah. Pellegrini will trust in him in that he knows the league already so I expect siginificant game time in the first 4-6 weeks until Neg n Jov have adapted

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        1. DÏLKS
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          You will have time to jump on a bandwagon if Dzeko does start being benched again after a couple of gameweeks.

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          1. _Greg
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            there is plenty of strikers 7.5 or below, berba/caroll/lambert, no danger exit strategy

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    3. ccc
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      Why have Snodgrass if he will be on the bench?

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      1. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Gameweek three with Chelseas blanks, he could be very useful. He can also rotate with strikers.

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    4. RVP fc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      get RVP if no bale

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      1. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Far too expensive. Not worth when you can get 2 good players just for him imo.

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    5. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
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      I think you'll have some bench headaches.

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      1. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
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        I think for the first week with a chance of everybody not being 100% nailed on, Snoddy could come in and do some business. Dzeko is a good example.

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    6. aint got a kalou
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Very nice for a rvp and bale-less team
      I would rather Cole over Luiz as don't think mou will play Luiz in both games
      Have the same mids as me but I have Silva instead of snoddy
      What's your plan after gw1?

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      1. DÏLKS
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        I'm not sure about Cole, yes he will be nailed on, but he could risk a 4pt over the DGW. Luiz could make up for that if he plays in Midfield for just one game!

        I need to get rid of Luiz and Lukaku after, so i'll downgrade Luiz to a £5.5 and then upgrade Lukaku to Sturridge, or whoevers bandwagon it is.

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        1. _Greg
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          toure unless you want a slot open for coutinho/sturridge, is a bargain at 5m

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          1. aint got a kalou
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Already has migs wouldnt double up on defensive players from any one team
            I would go Coleman who could play on the wing in a 3-4-3 which seems everyone likely lineup

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        2. aint got a kalou
          • 13 Years
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          Nice post gw1 plan
          But Luiz I definitely do not think will play in midfield and Terry remember is mous golden boy and Ivan is a very good def with options like essien mikel ramires lampard and van ginkel in mid I think Luiz is far from superior to Cole given he may not even play both

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  9. ccc
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    How would you rank these guys?

    1. Mirallas
    2. Nolan
    3. Snodgrass

    I'm looking to get A. Boruc & Mirallas/Nolan or B. Mignolet & Snodgrass

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    1. Sánchez
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I have mirallas and nolan, so snod 3rd i guess.
      But i have migs too. Nolan looks tempting with his fixtures.

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    2. Declan-
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      1,3,2

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    3. polis
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Mig & Snod for me.

      Mig will outscore Boruc and Snod now has some actual firepower playing in front of him.

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    4. _Greg
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      mir/snod/nolan

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      1. aint got a kalou
        • 13 Years
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        If Caroll is fit go Nolan otherwise we could see the 20 goal plus mirallas from the olympiacos except about 10 goals as that was Greek league

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  10. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Projections tool favours Benteke for DGW + GW2. Is he really worth a shout considering the fixtures?

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
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      I think so. I prefer him to Lukaku Gw1 because of the guaranteed game time. He scored 3 goals V Liverpool and 1 v Chelsea last season so anything is possible

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    2. _Greg
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      I don't think so. not with those fixtures. yes, he has scored against big teams last season, but coupled with him want out then staying put plus lots of better options 9m and less, I really can't see it.

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    3. lilmessipran
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      i dont know why isnt benteke popular on here...he is a beast,proven fpl striker nailed on to play 180 mins plus its gw 1 ....d feel matters as well...if bale goes and i get the cash i will definitely go with benteke along with 3 chelsea..transfer out 2 and bench 2.for gw 3..or take a hit if i need to bring in rvp...

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  11. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    If Nowich hit the ground running, def Snodgrss.
    Snodgrass.
    Mirallas.
    Nolan.

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    1. Crouch Potato!
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Reply fail, CCC.

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    2. ccc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      thanks

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    3. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
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      They won't tho!

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  12. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Gabby or Benteke?

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    1. polis
      • 14 Years
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      or Neither? Neither.

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      1. Esalman
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        this

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    2. Captain Shirokov
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Benteke.

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    3. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      none

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  13. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Just leaving this here:

    Mignolet, Davis.
    Cole, Jenkinson, Collins, Ward, Chester.
    Hazard, Mirallas, Walcott, Thomas, Snodgrass.
    Dzeko, Van Persie, Lukaku.

    Night folks.

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    1. The Shadow
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Damn kids always leaving their stuff out all over the place.

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    2. polis
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Having to play one of Jenkinson, Ward or Chester will make you weep each week.

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    3. Esalman
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Still can't decide on Dzeko. I'll see out GW1 I guess.

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    4. ccc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Jenkinson?

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    5. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      yeah jenks/ward/chester will destroy you lol

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  14. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    GW1 Flop: Dzeko

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
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      @ 7.5? Not exactly the biggest disaster is it. No one is going to handband him anyway

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    2. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      probably but worth a punt with no danger exit to berba/lambert/carroll or cheaper

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  15. Game...Blouses
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    How's this for a non-Bale side?

    Mignolet / Boruc
    Baines / Cole / Koscielny / Bassong / Parr
    Hazard / Walcott / Coutinho / Snodgrass / Koren
    Sturridge / Lambert / Anelka

    (Roon to Chelski: Sturridge

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      a little to heavy at the back and to light upfront in my opinion

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    2. ccc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Mig & Boruc? Downgrade Boruc to Davis imo

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    3. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      bassong not fit, merte over kos

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      1. Game...Blouses
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Just noticed the Bassong injury. Why Mert per Kos? Both nailed on and same price. Kos has goal potential.

        After DGW I'll go Cole < 4.5, Anelka < Berbs

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        1. polis
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          If you're sticking with that backline, I'd plump for Kaboul over Bassong. May be a slight gamble but I can see him being first choice with Vert this year.

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          1. Game...Blouses
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I'll check it out thanks.

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  16. Portuguese&Proud
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    in your honest opinion are there any better options in the 4M bracket than Chester (Hull) and Ward (Crystal) ??

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    1. ccc
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      those are my two 4.0 defenders as well.

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    2. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      just don't see any point scrimping on 4m defenders when you can have the likes of Collins/clyne/shaw/murner/saylor/, west ham n s'ton rotate 38/38, get these two with an elite plus toure/merte and your sorted. saylor covers west ham/s'ton well when they have a bad game.

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    3. Shaw must go on
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Faye maybe???

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    4. aint got a kalou
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Parr?

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  17. The Machine
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Ruddy (Boruc)

    Toure Luiz Collins (Chester & Alcaraz)

    Coutinho Walcott Hazard Mirallas (Thomas)

    Dzeko Bentekkers Lukau

    1.5m in the bank

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Get rid of Ruddy, Boruc, Alcaraz, Thomas and Lukaku.

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        ...and Walcott, Mirallas and Chester

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        1. Chu Young Ping Pong
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Yea, maybe 😀

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      2. stephenl15
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Why would you get rid of Ruddy Boruc Thomas or Lukaku? All solid for the price

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    2. Podge
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Template:
      Chelsea def Chester/Parr 3 others (probably including Mert or Toure)
      Hazard Cout Wally Snod other
      Dzeko Lukaku other.

      So 5 differences between all our teams
      Somewhat boring no ?

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      1. King Eric, in America
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        The inevitable result of RMTs.

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      2. _Greg
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        you forget the entire world doesn't read this site, maybe 5% of managers, so it won't stop you shooting for the top, it just means will will all be thereabouts which is the point really!

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        1. King Eric, in America
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          So top 125K, then?

          Ewww.

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          1. _Greg
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            hahaha

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    3. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      boruc>harper
      chester>clyne
      ruddy>migs

      1m in bank

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  18. DÏLKS
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Bales gone from 48.7% selected to 36.7%. What is this telling you?

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Is this a trick question?

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      wow

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    3. Portuguese&Proud
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      cya 😆

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    4. polis
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      That 12% of people who had him have changed their mind. What do I win?

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      1. Podge
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Its about 25% of people who had him

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        1. polis
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Yeah, realised the balls up as soon as I'd posted. Hey ho.

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          1. Podge
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            🙂

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  19. Mr.Helmut
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I've been reading all the posts with Dzeko, do y'all really believe Dzeko will be a regular starter for city? 7.5 is a great price but as I think most of us like to build our teams, we go for guys that are nail on starters, guys like carzola who played 3301 out 3420 mins last year, compare to dzeko who played somewhere last year around 1400-1600 mins out of 3420 which is really below average

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Of course but it's a new manager. Comparing the minutes Dzeko played last season is of very limited value

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      1. Mr.Helmut
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Hmmm, good point, you're right, it is a different guy at the helm and the way pellegrini has been talking up Dzeko all pre season long about the work rate, how important he is and so on, it really does sound Dzeko can actually be the regular starter but then, City spent all that money on Negredo and Jovetic just to bench them? O.o,

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    2. Podge
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      And he still got more goals

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      1. Mr.Helmut
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Lol, 14 goals I believe which was more than everyone else on city's roster in the league I think

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  20. OShaughnessy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    RE: Dzeko & the Manchester City Front Line

    Having a discussion with a few mates about Dzeko & the MCI frontline.
    So, this is was my take & was hoping some of the 'Regs' could weigh in on the issue:

    To begin, all of this varies greatly on Pellegrini’s choice of formation on a given day.

    Negredo & Dzeko can both play the lone striker’s role in a 4231, or play up in the front pairing of Pellegrini’s favoured 4222.

    Aguero is a unique case, in that he can both play up front in the 4222 or tuck in behind ‘in the hole’ if MCI are working with a 4231.

    Jovetic’s is also a versatile forward with the play making ability, 4th highest in clear-cut chances created in Serie A, to best excel tucked in behind the striker(s).

    Note, we haven’t even mentioned / considered Silva, Navas & Nasri's role yet.

    So where does all of this leave us?

    Well, I feel we shouldn’t be taking a few quotes from a post-Asia Trophy friendly & somehow creating certainties regarding Cit-eh GW1 squad sheet that’s still almost three weeks away…

    tl;dr We all need to cool our Dzeko jets for just a sec.

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    1. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      i'd say that means negredo/dzeko one of will play every game, but always be under rotation threat, I think aguero will nail the left side attack and play 34/38 and jovetic will take turns with silva/navas for central and right

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      1. Shaw must go on
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        totally agree!!!

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        1. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          as it stands dzeko is worth a gw1 punt. if he scores points, great, if he doesn't no big deal, just tranny him out along with your Chelsea players. one -4 won't be too bad at the beginning if your team value goes crazy.

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    2. polis
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Having any City player is rolling the dice a bit at this stage. As you've said, who knows what Pelle will roll out formation wise.

      Not to mention there are probably 7/8 players who will share the points. I can't see there being one man in the squad who will totally dominate a la RVP or Bale (not that I'm going for either of those guys either).

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    3. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      If Pells favored formation is 4222 then Dzecko, as the superfluous super sub in the known universe, becomes the best value 7.5 in the history of FF.

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      1. polis
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah. Unless he plays Aguero up top with Negredo, or Jovetic finds form and he gets the nod....

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        1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          You know you want to! go on.

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  21. Shaw must go on
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Rvp,Anelka,Soldado... any opinions??

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    1. polis
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Amazing and amazingly overpriced.

      Average, old and amazingly priced.

      Spainish.

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    2. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      if soldado is better than negredo, then city would have him

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      1. Shaw must go on
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        but is negredo nailed in??? 😉

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        1. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          nope!

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        2. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          soldado will be my spurs coverage if bale leaves

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    3. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      The whole Anelka situation, I don't think he'll do well with west brom, probably about 5-9 goals, I don't think he'll reach double digits in the league, I believe west brom's top scorer this season coming will be shane long. RVP, well man united to me will struggle but he will still score. Ferguson, despite having a team that's clearly not better than city or chelsea's roster, he just knew how to make that squad click. If moyes goes into the season with any upgrade in that midfield, United will struggle and RVP will still score, but not the 26 he scored last year. And Soldado, he'll do fine with spurs. They have a nice team, even if bale goes and I can see Soldado being quality

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      1. Shaw must go on
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        totally true!! but about Anelka,,,If u want to squezze Rvp in your squad u have to have a cheap forward!!i think Anelka is the best choice,he´s old alright but he still has quality and he´s not a stranger to english football and if was to be in the bench i rather stay at juventus!!!this my opinion...

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      2. _Greg
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        I like anelka. can assist very well too for right side

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    4. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      yeah..good mix...Could be inspired or could fall flat, but at least it's yours.

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  22. Ocrana
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Mignolet/Boruc
    Ivan/M.Turner/Merte/Collins/Clyne
    Bale/Hazard/Walcott/Mirallas/Noble
    Lukaku/Lambert/5.0 or Lukaku/Jrod/Anelka

    Any tips?

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    1. jamsiep
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Ivanovic is a risk IMO. Mourinho's said that he sees him as primarily a right back, so he's competing first and foremost with Azpilicueta. Obviously it remains to be seen who he prefers there, but I'd have thought it'll be Azpilicueta.

      Mourinho—"‘I know Ivanovic is very comfortable in the centre but I see him and Cesar Azpilicueta as our two right backs."

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      1. _Greg
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        nice quote, jamisep

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    2. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      ivan prob 4th likely to start. cole/luiz/terry/iva in that order

      noble...could be ok if w'ham get some pens, don't think he got many assists last year

      i'd take anelka over gayle

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  23. jamsiep
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Criticism welcomed....

    Foster (Boruc)
    David Luiz, Gibbs, Collins (Faye, Ward)
    Hazard (c), Silva, Bale, Walcott (Koren)
    Anelka, Dzeko, Lukaku

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    1. King Eric, in America
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      You prefer to rotate GKs? Ugh. Always stressful/ending in tears, that.

      And why Gibbs from that back four of Arsenal, I wonder.

      Nice to 'see' you again. Twitter down? 😉

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Haha, nah I'm just finally having a proper look at my team!

        Gibbs for the attacking threat, especially in home games and I always rotate keepers! Usually rather unsuccessfully I might add....

        How's your team shaping up?

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        1. King Eric, in America
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Vorm ended my fantasies of GK rotation ... I'm going Migs and a 4.0 jersey mannikin.

          My team's aiight ... still early doors, though. Trying to not let this echo chamber get me to C JRod or Snodgrass, though.

          And you thinking Az & Ivan will trade off in the DGW? Stuck between Ivan and Luiz, for me.

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          1. jamsiep
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Cole's the only one nailed on for the two games, because of the Spain and Brazil friendlies, but he's such an underwhelming option. I'll probably bottle it and end up going for him.

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            1. King Eric, in America
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 4 months ago

              Fudge. Every year it seems I get 'stuck' with Cole week 1.

              Bale will likely, imo, be making your choices much easier very soon.

              Thanks for the input. See ya' around, hopefully.

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      2. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Do you prefer just the one keeper King Eric ?...gotta agree with you. I've been looking at Mignolet and Marshall at another posters suggestion...Just exactly when would i play Marshall ??...just a waste of 0.5...

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        1. King Eric, in America
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Yeah, see my reply above. Migs & 4.0 water carrier. 0.5 for elsewhere.

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          1. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Reserve keepers are usually cheap (4.0 very often)...usually one or two to draft in as back up after injuries to the main man...until then...Migs + water carrier...

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          2. ccc
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I agree with this strategy. The 0.5 should be spent on a player who is intended to play.

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      3. _Greg
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        nice to see old names, where did roysbrotherjohnson go lol

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        1. jamsiep
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          I caught some of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest last night and reminisced about good old RBJ...

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          1. _Greg
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            haha yeah he had old jack as his grav lol

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      4. Shaw must go on
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        i like the gibbs choice!!!!but Bale´s leaving so you can upgrade your front!!!

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    2. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Jaysus look who it is

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      1. RoysCallerAnne
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Double City attack and no Liverpool, I'd get me some Aspas.

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        1. jamsiep
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          To be honest, I know next to nothing about Aspas. He's he guaranteed to play even if Sturridge is fit? Because I'm not sure I want to be backing any Liverpool players if both Sturridge and Suarez are unavailable - the rest of the forward options are very unproven.

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          1. RoysCallerAnne
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I reckon Sturridge will be eased back GW1 &2. He's had no pre-season. That almost certainly gives Aspas CF for 1 & 2.
            I reckon he'll stay in the front 3 for GW 3-6 flanking Sturridge while Suarez is out.
            He looks a much better prospect than last season's paperweight signing Borini.

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          2. _Greg
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I would back aspas to start with sturridge/coutinho/suarez, yes

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    3. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I think foster/boruc ace rotation but over season migs/4m will outscore both due to the fact you will have wrong one on bench

      bale...he's gone mate, no smoke wiout fire

      gibbs/Spanish guy both good, merte for long term security

      why have faye ward when you can get cylne/shaw for 38/38 rotation with Collins and saylor to cover both, scratch boruc and koren to upgrade to shaw/saylor imo

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        I'll be wildcarding pretty early, as I do every year, and that Utd home game is putting me off starting with Mignolet. Only 2 *good* clean sheet chances in the first 6 weeks for Liverpool IMO.

        Hopefully Bale is gone, that'll make things much more interesting, but for the time being I'm basing my team on the assumption that he stays - which I personally think he will.

        Pretty sure I read that Monreal was injured for a good few weeks, so hopefully Gibbs will be safe for the start of the season.

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        1. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          all good points haha

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        2. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          up to gwk 23, only man u at home, i'd say all those other games are 'good' chances for cleanies n migs is gonna rocket

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    4. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      The Keepers are decent, both guys can get at least 9 or more clean sheets. The def. has questions because David luiz can easily not play both games to start the season, so you can miss out on a possible double clean sheet start and gibbs may not be that regular starter with monreal there, other than that, the def. is ok the midfield is great, but bale may go, just wait and see and the front line, hmmm, it's ok, just not too sure with the whole Dzeko starting

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  24. DÏLKS
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    From the sounds of it, Soldado comes in, Bale goes out, Soldado 90% nailed on? £9.0m-£9.5m? Goota be worth a punt hasn't he?

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    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      yes...and great fixtures...even the Arsenal game...

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      1. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        1 bad game in the first 5, he'll make up for it in the others anyway.

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        1. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          no...wasn't sarc...Arsenal/Spurs usually go on a bit of a goal fest...It's the defenders that are a liability in those games not the forwards..

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          1. DÏLKS
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I didn't take it sarcastically! Hahaha, was being serious! I'm just saying, if he did flop in that week! The others would actually make up for it! Especially after last years goal fest, your point is valid.

            Would make an interesting hot topic in a few weeks!

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    2. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I believe even if bale goes, tottenham's team will still do fine with that quality they still have, they just got to believe in themselves and with Soldado, I can see him being that true quality hit man tottenham needs, so he'll probably be about 9.5 mil and he surely is worth it

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      1. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        I think i'm going to stick him in when he comes. His only competition is Defoe and Adebayor, tough.....

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        1. _Greg
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          soldado will be 8.5m-9m

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  25. Ellipsis
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    A Geordie walks into a Ba... "I'm sure I recognise that guy like"...

    ...Is Ba to rot or do you think he'll be snapped up as Mourinho makes a big surprise signing?!

    Let me know Chelsea fans!

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    1. Gravy_Davey
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Rot unfortunately.

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  26. DropPointsNotBombs
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone else wildcarding after GW1?

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    1. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Maybe's aye, maybe's Naw!
      Would like to wait till gw3 if necessary.

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    2. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Don't do that, lol. Only wildcard when it's necessary. I've been play the fantasy league for going on to 6 years now and I've never even used the wildcard, especially last year when I finished 856th in the world. I made sure to always have a team was solid and required barely any transferring

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      1. DropPointsNotBombs
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        The guy who won last year used it after GW1. I don't want to but it may be necessary

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      2. DÏLKS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        How about a link to your history? 😉

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  27. BwG
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    With the game pricing in new transfers like negredo, navas, etc ... does anyone know their reasoning for not repricing a guy like Caulker when he moves to a weaker side? It can't be hard at all to go in and change him to 4.5. After gw 1 it would make sense that pricung would be set in stone, but up until then it just smacks of laziness.

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    1. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I agree it would be nice, but wouldn't want it to happen the other way. i'd like positions to e adjusted though, i.e rose at spurs

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  28. spotfixers
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Migs (Given)
    Luiz Mert Yanga (Clyne) (Collins)
    Caz Haz Gaston Kags Dempsey
    Dzeko Lukaku Giroud

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    1. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      looks good

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  29. DropPointsNotBombs
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I have £2.5m left. Should I leave this in the bank to use when transferring out Lukaku for GW2 an upgrading?

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    1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      If Lukaka does well in G/W 1 do you think he will be put on the bench for Torres/Ba in G/W 2?

      Thinking if he flops Ba will pick up the pieces and will start G/W 2. If they both flop Torres will prob. start G/W2.

      I would leave it in the bank for G/W 3.

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    2. _Greg
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      yeah

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    3. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      If you're happy with your GW1 team based on form and fixtures of course you should

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  30. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I hope Villa's defence becomes popular so there can be a 'Tony Moon Bandwagon'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Luna_(footballer)

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