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11 June 2014 1183 comments
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After weeks of deliberating and a couple of false starts, the official FIFA McDonald’s game was rolled out a couple of days ago. A popular choice amongst Fantasy managers for the previous World Cup and Euro 2012, you can find an excellent overview of the basics provided by Bonz in his recent community submission:

With those principles covered, we’ll spend some time in this guide to try and shed some light on the more contentious issues surrounding the rules, suggesting how this might shape the final tweaks in our selection strategy.

The Ruleset

Not for the first time with a Fantasy game based on an international tournament – confusion reigns. While FIFA have revisited their rules laid out when the game initially launched, tweaking the scoring for “Balls Recovered” and adding further detail to how transfers work, in both cases we’re still lacking clarity.

Team Selection
Thankfully, the biggest area of confusion has been ironed out. FIFA have now confirmed that players who have already featured can be swapped during the current round for any relevant player in a squad who has not yet taken to the pitch – essentially, players in a starting XI are not locked in, with the “stick or twist” feature now in play. FIFA has also confirmed that you can change captain as long as your new captain has not already played.

You can change every player in your line-up that has already played during the current round for any other relevant player in your squad that hasn’t already played. You can also change the captain as long as the new captain hasn’t already started to play. For example if you have placed NEYMAR on Your Pitch and he did not perform as well as you expected after the first match you can replace him with a forward from your bench that hasn’t already played during the current round. You would lose the points from NEYMAR for the round but the new player might get more points.

Scoring Points – The Recovered Ball Puzzle
We now move to how our squad actually scores points and an area of considerable confusion. FIFA’s game, as we’ve seen in the past, includes statistics such as “Balls Recovered” and “Balls Delivered into the Penalty Area” within their scoring matrix. Neither is defined in the rules.

We’ve contacted FIFA for clarification but, as it stands, remain in the dark as to how both these scoring methods are defined.

We have some familiarity with “Recovered Balls” or “Recoveries” courtesy of other games such as the Champions League affair and via OPTA’s data definition. The latter states the following:

“This is where a player wins back the ball when it has gone loose or where the ball has been played directly to him.”

This definition created the following top ten players for Recoveries from last season’s Premier League season.

PlayerTeamMinutes PlayedRecoveriesMins/Per Recovery
CameronSTO347120916.61
Ward (Joel)CPL341919917.18
ColemanEVE340218718.19
KoscielnyARS287417616.33
ShawSOT314717517.98
IvanovicCHE335916819.99
SkrtelLIV339116520.55
FonteSOT336016420.49
SagnaARS322116319.76
LovrenSOT294016118.26

However, when we compare this to data from the last World Cup Fantasy game in 2010 (credit to Billy Gilmore’s recent Hot Topic), there’s every indication that the OPTA definition is not the one likely to be used in the FIFA game. Here’s a table listing the top players from that World Cup, ranked by minutes per “Recovered Ball”.

PlayerCountryAppearancesMinutes PlayedRB per gameMins per RB
CoentraoPortugal43603.3327.00
BougherraAlgeria32702.6733.75
ChavezHonduras32702.3338.57
IzaguirreHonduras21802.0039.00
PantsilSouth Africa55102.0045.00
GrichtingSwitzerland32702.0045.00
OnyewuUSA21701.6754.00
R CostaPortugal21791.6056.25
DemelIvory Coast21801.5760.00
ShittuNigeria32701.5060.00

In all cases, the minutes per Recovery, or “Recovered Balls” were far greater in the FIFA data – suggesting that this method of scoring may not be as significant as we imagine. Indeed, with all players now having to earn two recovered balls to score a single point, we should, perhaps, show caution here.

Having said that, we have to presume that FIFA have done some modeling and that this has influenced their player pricing. Certainly it appears that defensive stats – either Recovered Balls or Blocks, have played some part in how they have produced their pricing.

Notably players like Omar Gonzalez and Geoff Cameron both of USA (5.0), are relatively high priced, presumably because, in their case, Recovered Balls and Blocks are expected to be a factor. As we see above, Cameron ranked very highly for recovered balls in the Premier League last season, while Gonzalez, a formidable, towering figure in the American defence, is presumably consider a likely consistent barrier for shots on goal.

The lack of a clear definition makes the effectiveness of Recovered Balls a mystery to us. The player pricing in the game pushes us towards cheap defenders from unfancied sides, in hope that Recovered Balls and Blocks can subsidise the inevitable lack of clean sheets. Right now, it’s not known if this strategy will pay off but, giving the aggressive price list – we’ve little option but to adopt this approach, at least to some extent.

Interestingly, Gary Medel of Chile, a player who normally plies his trade in midfield, is priced at 6.5 in the game, making him by far the most expensive Chilean defender. Presumably because FIFA have based this price on his performances in the Premier League where he made 206 Recoveries and 12 Blocks. He’s likely to be deployed at centre-back for his nation in the tournament: it’s hard to say whether that will enable him to justify his price tag.

We can further speculate on Phillip Lahm and Cesar Azpilicueta. Both are defined as midfielders in the FIFA game but are set to be deployed at full-back. Again, it’s unclear whether this misclassification will help their cause. It should be noted that, as of this evening, FIFA changed their rules meaning that midfielders now need to earn two recovered balls, rather than the original one, to earn a point.

Delivered Balls
Scoring from attacking actions is no better defined. The game states that all players earn a point for every two balls delivered into the penalty area. Again, there’s no clear definition of this but we have to presume that this includes crosses from wide positions and passes into the box. Similarly, we have to presume that, in both cases, these have to be successful, eg: they have to find team-mates. Finally, we can presume that dead-ball deliveries count.

In all cases we’re speculating and making assumptions because there is no clear definition. Again though, we have to accept that FIFA have modeled this scoring and that this has influence the player price list. Certainly, with Andres Iniesta valued at 8.5 – the top priced midfielder – there’s a suggestion that completed passes into the opposing box will be a strong factor.

Once more, the aggressive pricing has forced our hand to some degree when it comes to our midfield choice. We are drawn towards a proportion of cheaper, defensively-minded midfield options from the lesser sides – hoping that Recovered Balls and Blocks play their part. However, set-piece delivery, crosses and completed passes in the attacking third also have to be considered. This could make a player like Steven Gerrard, an individual who ticks both defensive and attacking boxes, a key figure. A price of 7.5 would certainly suggest that FIFA expect him to score strongly.

With set-pieces a likely factor, you should know that we’ve recently updated our set-piece table to list those players who are likely to be on dead-ball delivery for their respective sides.

In conclusion, the McDonald’s backed FIFA game has already proved a frustrating affair that lacks clarity and has us Fantasy Managers embarking on the tournament with so many unanswered questions. We’ve fired this issues to FIFA in hope we’ll get some clarity and, if it arrives, we’ll be sure to update you before Thursday’s deadline. For now though, the official game remains as clear as Ronald McDonald’s conscience. A real shame.

The Fantasy Football Scout League

Despite the issues, the official FIFA game remains a popular pursuit around these parts. We’ve set up an official FFS league which you can join by clicking this link.

*Edit*
Please note that this article was edited from the first draft after FIFA updated their rules on Wednesday evening, just 24-hours before deadline. As mentioned in the article, according to the new edited published rules, midfielders now need to earn two recovered balls rather than one, to earn a point.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Elniñorules
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    Go Iran!

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    1. Camp No No
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      Nice way to occupy the top of the page.

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    2. Defcons are for Kinnear
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      When is Mark going to adapt his grav to an Iranian theme?

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      1. Camp No No
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        I dunno. I will when I remember my wordpress password.

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        1. Camp No No
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          I changed my password, so here we go!

          ...and I guess this means I'm now officially fluent in gibberish. 😆

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      2. Mark
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        Lol...good point..I'll get our artist on the job. It needs to be pro.

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  2. Kevin Twine
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    Oscar or Rodriguez?

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    1. Alberto Tomba
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      Oscar. Brazil will smash people in the group stage I reckon. Home support and less pressure as they've three games to rectify any mistakes. My own personal view.

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      1. Kevin Twine
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        Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. I just wish he was on some more set pieces.

        Cheers.

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        1. Alberto Tomba
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          Yeah we can't have it all I guess. I may be biased having watched Linker's brazil preview last night 🙂
          All good.

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          1. Kevin Twine
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            Ah, I'll have to check that out. Ta 🙂

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  3. Pete Campbell
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    Someone willing to throw me a RMT for the foxsports game:

    Lloris (Enyeama)
    Marcelo, Alba, Anderwireld (Sakho, Shar)
    Honda, Valbuena, Di Maria, Rodgriguez (Pjanic)
    Neymar (c), Aguero, Lukaku

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    1. J0E
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      Lukaku may be injured. Sanchez or Peralta could be good options there depending on budget. Pjanic also had an injury concern yesterday best check that out. I like the rest...although I think you can free up some cash in defence.

      Rodriguez (SUI), Durm (Germany) offer great value.

      On the whole though very good...got the key clean sheets and good goal and assist potential.

      Make sure you have a good plan for gameweek 2 though when Germany and Holland have great fixtures....I'd be looking to swap a couple there for Robben/RVP or Ozil/Muller if I were you.

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      1. Pete Campbell
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        thanks Jonty!

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      2. Dr Dream
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        This^...I've opted for Sanchez over Lukaku for the first match with a view to switching him out for GW2

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  4. Elniñorules
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    Captain changes allowed?

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    1. Perchinho
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      Yes

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      1. Elniñorules
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        Great!

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      2. teddy.
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        I'm going for max captaincy options.

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    2. Kevin Twine
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      Yeah:

      "You can also change the captain as long as the new captain hasn't already started to play."

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    3. teddy.
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      I'm going to assume that you can't sub out or take the armband off red cardees...

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  5. Elniñorules
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    Who do we think are the bargains/great value players on McD yet?

    Not just budget. But say someone like Rojo, from Argentina who costs 4m.

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    1. teddy.
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      Lukaku

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      1. Perchinho
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        Valbuena, Zapata, Cholevas, Manolas, Karnezis

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        1. smp
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          I have heard zapata may not be starting...

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    2. Kevin Twine
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      Valbuena (5), Lukaku (6), Dutch goalie (3), KDB (5.5), Greek goalie (2)

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      1. Kevin Twine
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        Almeida at 4.5 could be a great shout as well, I reckon.

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        1. saata
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          Postiga may start instead of him?

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          1. Kevin Twine
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            Maybe. I wish one was nailed on as they'd be straight in my team at the price.

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    3. 7shadesofsmoke
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      Lukaku, Valbuena, KDB, Cholevas, Bentaleb, Karzenis, Kombarov, Manolas...

      Basically my bench 😀

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    4. teddy.
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      Allan Nyom 2.5

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  6. Alberto Tomba
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    RMT for Threadneedle (IFAs only) if you're one of the 2.5k playing the game!

    Karnezis
    3.5 3.5 3.5
    Valbuena Paulinho Di Maria Oscar
    Neymar Vargas Fred

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    1. Louis
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      You not playing McDonald's game?

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      1. Alberto Tomba
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        Nah I'm FPL'd out!
        I'm doing this one for a decent chance of prizes though 🙂

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        1. Prime
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          You don't happen to be Australian by any chance?

          http://fantasy.theworldgame.sbs.com.au/default.aspx
          The highest scoring team at the end of the competition will win $10,000 cash!

          Which is about €7,000, and there are only slightly more than 2k players so far...

          1st place in the Belgian game is a PS4, and it has 22k players atm -_-

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        2. Alberto Tomba
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          I'm all English I'm afraid! 🙂

          I'm stuggling to work out how Teddy is playing both the threadneedle version and excel version to win prizes as one requires you to be an IFA and the other to be a customer for cabling!!? He's either an entrepreneur or hasn't read the rules I guess.

          These are all run by SilentManager then, how bizarre! :).

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          1. Prime
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            Really weird they managed to sell their game accros the world when the scoring is so shite.

            Ran some numbers on last WC's stats with this scoring for defenders and the average total points over the entire tournament is 0.45 😀

            Total points for defenders were between -13 and +14, with a total sum of all points from all defenders over the entire tournament of 89 points.

            I'm gonna need to double check it later today but this seems very possible to me with their ridiculous points.

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            1. Alberto Tomba
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              Wow, that is a brilliant stat!!

              Are you entering in multiple versions of SIlentmanager game then?
              I had a google and found out they're aiming to have 150 versions of their world cup game in total. I've found maybe 10 but none I could enter other than respottedhanky, which doesn't offer much in the way of prizes when you consider the risk and time required.

              I'll probably stick with threadneedle, keep it simple eh 🙂

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              1. Alberto Tomba
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                I'm feeling transfers will be most effective if they're used for captain choices, switching around most days except those when you really wouldn't want a captain.
                What do you think?

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                1. Prime
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                  Most of the games are to a pretty specific audience so I haven't seen any other than the Belgian one I could join.

                  I made a list of who I want to captain on which day for the entire group stage and will use my transfers to get them in in the most efficient way. It will probably change as the games progress but at least it gives a general idea of the direction I want to go in.

                  3 transfers every 4 days and picking a new captain every day needs planning more than most games.

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                  1. Alberto Tomba
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                    Yes I saw one that you had to have Malaysian nationality for! That's a bit extreme :).

                    I am working on a similar tactic, though there are some days where I will probably not have anyone playing, for example
                    on the Monday 16th June;

                    Germany Vs Portugal
                    Iran Vs Nigeria
                    Ghana Vs USA

                    As Germany and Portugal are playing each other I don't think I want any particular player on this day. This could be a
                    mistake though.

                    To get a different captain most days I am thinking to switch one player around, most likely a striker spot so that I will have Vargas->Cavani->Messi etc etc.

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                    1. Alberto Tomba
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                      In your defender analysis did you only look at 90 minutes plus extra time? I'm pretty sure our competitions only use points from these and not from penalty shootouts. Just fyi 😉

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                      1. Prime
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                        So I had shared the spreadsheet with a couple of friends and one of them messed up the defender page. He graduates as a civil engingeer by the end of the month...

                        Here's the, fixed, spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/121GtjKAkHkGOH0_4YeQFWhPUOLYbvIRBOdtbRz3kLos/edit#gid=0

                        Not as bad as it seemed for defenders

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                      2. Alberto Tomba
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                        Hey Le Prime, this is Amazing, well done!!

                        It's very interesting stuff.
                        Clearly as you say, keepers and defenders are more capable of points than we had thought, though there are still quite a few minus points in there. Looking at say the keepers it would have been tough to choose a Spanish keeper instead of a Dutch one though, and in defence those who scored best mostly had attacking returns and for me it's too difficult to know who will offer those.
                        The midfielders too though are fairly random in their scoring and at the moment I can only see Spanish strikers (I don't want to ruin your spreadsheet) so I'm less sure of our original tactic.
                        I think I'm going to stick with it though, as the best defensive options aren't cheap and would mean sacrificing a midfield option.
                        Yaya did well last time out didn't he!

                        I like you captain choices. I think I'm going for Vargas over Sanchez as I think he plays more forward of the two, but they are very similar picks.
                        I'd also consider Cavani as a good option for captain on day three as well.

                        Well at least you know he's unlikely to rival you in any fantasy football game! :).

                        Some seriously great effort here, thank you.

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    2. teddy.
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      I am! And the Excel game which is the same.

      The scoring is heavily weighted to attacking defenders - not just more points for goals, but also for assists. Worth considering, eh?

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      1. Prime
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        -1 per goal conceded and only 2p for a CS means I won't field any playing defenders or a GK

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        1. Alberto Tomba
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          I'm thinking pretty much exactly the same.
          My Greek keeper is an extravagance so I have a captain that day!..

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      2. Alberto Tomba
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        Ha Cool! It's good to see other people playing the same game on here 🙂

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    3. Prime
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      The game exists under different namesin different countries. The Belgian one I'm playing I am currently on

      3.0
      3.5 3.5 3.5
      Honda - Yaya - Oscar - Di Maria - Misimovic
      Neymar - Fred - Alexis

      Will always rotate between Neymar and Messi and get at least 1 German by the time they play.

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      1. Alberto Tomba
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        Yeah! But you are still playing the Threadneedle version, just under an international name elsewhere then? That's mad. Your players and prices certainly look very similar :).

        The rotating between Neymar and Messi idea is a good one, though I'm preferring to change my captain every day I think.

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  7. unoaime
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    Hey. Only just decided to do a WC fantasy league between me and my friends. What's everyone using on here?

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    1. Ayling Buyers Club
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      McDonald's is the official. Fox Sports' game is the best game, though.

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      1. unoaime
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        Why is fox sports the best? Are the majority still doing the McDonald's one on here because it's most like the Official PL one?

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        1. Ayling Buyers Club
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          Fox Sports is more similar to the FPL. I guess people dislike McD's because of many small things added together. Overly minimalistic design, Azpilicueta classed as a midfielder, late release, unclear rules etc.

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  8. Saniul
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    Well, can someone tell me why the name of Howedes isn't doing the rounds?

    He played the last two friendlies at LB, so as I remember, even in the presence of Durm and Boateng.

    I'm not saying he is a viable option, just that it must dampen Durm's appeal?

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    1. teddy.
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      Consensus is Durm.

      Not sure why...

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  9. Blue Lion
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    Gerrard or Ozil?

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    1. Gatsby
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      Gerrard

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  10. Ayling Buyers Club
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    Anyone thinking of going Greek goalie (2), Algerian goalie (1), XX (1/1.5)?

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    1. Blue Lion
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      I did think of it.But instead went Greek(2),Ghana(2),Algeria(1)

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    2. 7shadesofsmoke
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      Done.

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    3. teddy.
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      Dutch (3), Greek(2), Ghanaian(2)

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      1. Ayling Buyers Club
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        Why is that? Kwarasey (3) will start anyway, no? I'd rather save the 0.5 and get a Honduran goalie.

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        1. teddy.
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          Dauda played in the final warm-up friendly, which was a full strength 11 as far as I could tell.

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  11. milanista10
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    A) Iniesta and Dzeko
    B) Pjanic and Ronaldo

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
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      B)

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  12. jasper
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    11 years, 6 months ago

    who is the best forward for 6.5 in mcdonalds game

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    1. milanista10
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      Lukaku

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    2. 7shadesofsmoke
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      Lukaku for 6m
      Pedro at 6.5 is worth consideration

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    3. Kevin Twine
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      Lukaku, surely.

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    4. Ayling Buyers Club
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      People seem to rate Lukaku (6). I like Gervinho and Pedro (both 6.5).

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  13. butt0n1
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    Can you others do substitutions from your mobile at the mcdonalds site? At least I don´t have transfer out option/button on mobile (Windows Phone 8).

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    1. teddy.
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      I can on Chrome on Android

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  14. ManUtdFan_UK
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    Just want to make something clear:

    Say I have Ozil and Valbuena, and at the moment I have Valbuena on the bench.

    However, France play 1 day before Germany, so am I right in thinking I could start Valbuena, then if he flops and I think Ozil will do better the next day, I can sub him in before Germany play?

    Is this correct? The rules are a bit confusing. Cheers.

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    1. milanista10
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      Yes you can

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    2. teddy.
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      Even if they play at different times on the same day

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  15. Blue Lion
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    "FIFA have now confirmed that players who have already featured can be swapped during the current round for any relevant player in a squad who has not yet taken to the pitch – essentially, players in a starting XI are not locked in, with the “stick or twist” feature now in play. FIFA has also confirmed that you can change captain as long as your new captain has not already played."

    So does this mean that i can swap a striker with a midfielder who has not played?In short can we change the squad formation?

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    1. Saniul
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      That, my friend, remains the only doubt. 😉

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      1. Blue Lion
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        but its said here that FIFA has confirmed!

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    2. Mini League Fatigue
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      no confirmation on the site but based on previous Macdonalds games im assuming yes. It does say you can change anyone who has played for anyone in your squad that cant so i would imagine formation changes are allowed

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      1. roscola
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        But the Neymar example in the rules states that "you can replace him with a forward from your bench that hasn’t already played" suggesting that you can't replace him with a defender or midfielder i.e. no formation change.

        The way the substitution UI is set up also suggests that it isn't set up for mid-round formation changes. You have to manually change formation before swapping players from different positions, and the site randomly removes one of your players to make room, so how would it choose which player to transfer out? It might remove one of your players who scored a hat-trick.

        But that's speculation and inference. Until they categorically state it one way or another (in yet another rule change), the safest thing is to assume that you can't change formation and set your team up with that assumption in mind.

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        1. 7shadesofsmoke
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          Good advice Roscola, although I'm still holding onto the hope that they'll make the necessary adjustment to permit a formation change in time for the opener.

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          1. roscola
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            • 13 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            I would like to think so, it would undeniably make the game better. But I don't hold out much hope myself.

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          2. Blue Lion
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            But i am not worried at the moment. I have set up a balanced squad for dealing with this.

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        2. Blue Lion
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Exactly! Their usage of the word "forward" has been troubling me.

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    3. The Enlightener
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I don't think you can change squad formation until the next round begins.

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      1. teddy.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Nonsense!

        The formation has never been fixed in this type of format before has it?

        Either you're talking nonsense, or they've changed the game and not even bothered to tell anyone. Which would be their nonsense.

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    4. culverwood
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      It feels horrible playing Honduran and Iranian players and leaving Belgians on the bench. I hope this ruling is correct.

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    5. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Is this the first confirmation of Captaincy swaps? If so, HULK!

      Formations need clarification but it seems to be following the common sense assumptions we all had. Good stuff!

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      1. teddy.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Er... it's in the article.

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        1. 7shadesofsmoke
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          what a knobber. I actually read it too... time for bed, me thinks.

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          1. Blue Lion
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            😀

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    6. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      The question is around the word "relevant". Relevant may mean "in the same position". What else could it mean?

      See my response to Mini League Fatigue for my thoughts on why we probably won't be able to swap strikers for midfielders.

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      1. Blue Lion
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        I understood.Just wanted to know if there was any new upadte.

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        1. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Yeah, not so far 🙁

          I would like to be able to change formation but at this point I'd settle for a definite answer, one way or another!

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          1. Blue Lion
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Me too..This game has been utter confusion and chaos right from the start!

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      2. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        It could mean "relevant" as in "results in a valid formation". But lord knows whether it does 🙁

        Been away all day - reading the article here there have been no clarifications/absurd amendments to the rules today?

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        1. roscola
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          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Aye, could mean that 🙁

          There has been one clarification - they removed the contradictory 'not' in the first part of that paragraph. So it is now unambiguously the case that we can remove players who have already played. Small mercies.

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          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Hmm, not exactly the wording change I was most concerned with but small steps and all that. We might badger them into writing a proper game by 2018.

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          2. teddy.
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            I think.... That at one point that paragraph said "replace with a forward" and they changed the wording TO "relevant". That screams "valid formation" to me, if true.

            Plus, that's the way it's always worked in the past.

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            1. Blue Lion
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              fingers crossed.

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            2. roscola
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              • 13 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              No, it still says "replace with a forward".

              But also, try swapping a striker for a midfielder in your starting team right now. You can't. You have to manually select the new formation. Do that and watch what happens - it randomly removes one of your strikers and doesn't give you the chance to choose which one. So imagine trying to do that when some of your players have scored points and some haven't. Remember that there's no confirm button so whatever it does is final and can't be undone.

              I don't think they've set it up for mid-round formation change.

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  16. Mini League Fatigue
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    confusion levels for Macdys game is at an all time high...feel like scrapping it and starting over...any thoughts?!

    Llors (1m, 1m)
    Balata, Luiz, Blind, Rojo, Van Buyten (1m, 1m)
    J Rod, Paulinho, Cabaye, KDB, Gago (Bentelab, 1.5m, 1.5m)
    Messi, Neymar, Lukaku, Gervinho (1m)

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  17. CechYourself
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    RMT
    Lloris
    Evra Zabaleta Alderwiereld
    Yaya toure Pjanic Rodriguez Dimaria KDB as backup
    Messi Costa Bemzema
    1m in bank any thoughts ? Trying to bring in Neymar too

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    1. Mini League Fatigue
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Yaya is an injury doubt

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      1. CechYourself
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Thinking he'd be good for the ball recoveries if he's healthy though could replace him and bring in Neymar ?

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  18. Zep
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    I'm so tired from all this team research...

    Such a time consuming necessity...

    Looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow... 😯

    Goodnight...

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    1. Blue Lion
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I know what you mean! Goodnight mate!

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    2. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Its massively appreciated here mate. Thank you.

      Night Zep.

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  19. culverwood
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Who are Portugal's forwards which will play in the opening 3 games?

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    1. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Ronaldo Postiga Nani

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  20. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    The Mirror game is ludicrously easy. Absolutely huge budget and 3 transfers after each game 😯

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    1. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      But it's easy for me too, so I'll still beat you

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      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Wanna bet? 😉

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    2. roscola
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      You still have to make the right choices. Even if you can afford everyone you want, you don't have space for them all. There are only 3 striker slots for Messi, Higuain, Neymar, Fred, Suarez, RVP, Benzema, Dzeko, Ronaldo ....

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      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        With 3 transfers after each game and limitless money, you can just rotate the best players for their best fixtures quite easily though. My front 3 is Neymar, Fred, Messi for the first week as Brazil have a DGW. Picks itself!

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    3. GoonerByron
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      It's actually terrible.. I'm trying for the 3rd time to make a team and most players are missing.. They don't even have Croatia's keeper.

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      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Why would you need players like that when you have such a huge budget though?

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  21. wagner is king
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    muller and mert
    or
    gotze and alba???

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  22. Mini League Fatigue
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    who will be RB for spain, Juanfran or Azpi?

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    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Probably Azpi.

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  23. 7shadesofsmoke
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Can i just say, I love the closer on the article;

    "For now though, the official game remains as clear as Ronald McDonald’s conscience. A real shame."

    Beautiful 😆

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    1. Blue Lion
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      😀

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    2. roscola
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I loved that too 😀

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  24. GoonerByron
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Best midfielders for goal threat?

    Currently on Muller and DeBruyne in a 3 man midfield, can't decide on the last 1.. It'd probably be Pedro if I knew he was nailed.

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I think Pedro is a Striker in Maccies (if thats what you're playing). Di Maria is my top MF.

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    2. Ayling Buyers Club
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Cuadrado at 6.0 is a steal, imo. And Rodriguez is on penos, isn't he?

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      1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        He is Colombia's talisman, in a piss easy group, and on every set piece under the sun. The guy is nailed on in my team

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        1. Ayling Buyers Club
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          I got both.

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    3. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      What game?

      Possibles:

      James Rodriguez
      KPB
      Pjanic
      Honda
      Moses
      Musa
      Cabaye
      Pirlo
      Oscar
      Shaqiri
      Son HeungMin

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      1. GoonerByron
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Sorry.. The Sun game.. That's why the focus on goals as they have no assists.

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        1. teddy.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Sure.

          I've got Muller, Robben and James Rodriguez in that one.

          433 with:

          Cesar
          Ramos DeSciglio Durm RRodriguez
          Muller Robben JRodriguez
          Neymar Lukaku Costa

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  25. Bambi
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    so if a defender makes a headed clearance does that count as a recovered ball?

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      If it reaches a teammate.

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  26. ManTree(v2!) or just JAY!
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Who will play upfront for France?!

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    1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Giorud apparently. Benzema on left in a 4-3-3

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  27. Ayling Buyers Club
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Is there any overview of set piece takers for the different teams out there?

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    2. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Dunno, but I'd have a look at the "Set Piece Takers" page.

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      1. Ayling Buyers Club
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        😉

        Thanks, guys.

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    3. J0E
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      You are in luck we have this week completed ( as far as I know) the internet's only complete list of World Cup set piece takers

      We'll update as and when new set piece takers emerge. It can be found via the set piece takers tab on the home page as well in case you lose this ...but I'd bookmark if I was you. Very handy list

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/world-cup-set-piece-table/

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      1. Ayling Buyers Club
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Very handy indeed. Thanks a bunch.

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  28. Gatsby
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Oscar or Di Maria?

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    1. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Oscar.

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    2. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Di Maria.

      Great grav 😀

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      1. Demí
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        --> Great grav, Di Maria

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        1. 7shadesofsmoke
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          😀

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        2. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          😀

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  29. The60ftoctopus
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Moving this post from the Midfields thread (I got lost)

    Yaya injury has completely messed up my McD team.

    Do I get rid of Demichelis and get Di Maria + some other defender?
    Or... J. Rod or Oscar?

    Current x11:
    Romero
    Alves - Alba - Evra - Demichelis
    Toure - Moutinho - Mikel
    Ronaldo - Messi - Neymar

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Fancy seeing you here!

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      1. 7shadesofsmoke
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        I'd get rid of Demichelis anyway.

        Di Maria is my top pick from MF so yes, i think he's a very good option for you.

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        1. 7shadesofsmoke
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          you could also do Romero -> Cesar and bring Rojo (Argentina LB) in for Demi (only 4m).

          That would free up some cash for the tribe of turd that you must have sat on the bench - you'll need some players to sub in if your bad boys don't do the job.

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        2. The60ftoctopus
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Thanks buddy!
          I might even go for J.Rod and Di Maria, leaving me 3pts for a weaker defender. Would that be down right crazy?

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          1. 7shadesofsmoke
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            two good milfs, just be careful not to short change yourself at the back. Defenders COULD be in for some high scores depending on how these recovered balls are credited

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  30. chrisjdgrady
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Comments and suggestions on my McD's team plz:

    Cesar, Mbolhi, filler
    Alba, Evra, Durm, Rojo, filler, filler, filler
    Ozil, DiMaria, KDB, Cazorla, Valbuena, Bentaleb, filler, filler
    Messi, Neymar, Griezmann, Kokorin, filler

    1.5 ITB

    Thanks!

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      consider the Greeks for your filler. That 1.5m will surely be enough to get Cholovas at the back.

      I will get shot if Greece get hammered...

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Cool, I could trade one of my Iranian defenders for him. Guess I should go read the article on greece here

        Thanks!

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        1. 7shadesofsmoke
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          definitely.

          Some great value players with a realistic chance of picking up points. Chelovas has some other name to look out for but sounds the same. You'll see...

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