634x258 World Cup 2014
11 June 2014 1183 comments
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After weeks of deliberating and a couple of false starts, the official FIFA McDonald’s game was rolled out a couple of days ago. A popular choice amongst Fantasy managers for the previous World Cup and Euro 2012, you can find an excellent overview of the basics provided by Bonz in his recent community submission:

With those principles covered, we’ll spend some time in this guide to try and shed some light on the more contentious issues surrounding the rules, suggesting how this might shape the final tweaks in our selection strategy.

The Ruleset

Not for the first time with a Fantasy game based on an international tournament – confusion reigns. While FIFA have revisited their rules laid out when the game initially launched, tweaking the scoring for “Balls Recovered” and adding further detail to how transfers work, in both cases we’re still lacking clarity.

Team Selection
Thankfully, the biggest area of confusion has been ironed out. FIFA have now confirmed that players who have already featured can be swapped during the current round for any relevant player in a squad who has not yet taken to the pitch – essentially, players in a starting XI are not locked in, with the “stick or twist” feature now in play. FIFA has also confirmed that you can change captain as long as your new captain has not already played.

You can change every player in your line-up that has already played during the current round for any other relevant player in your squad that hasn’t already played. You can also change the captain as long as the new captain hasn’t already started to play. For example if you have placed NEYMAR on Your Pitch and he did not perform as well as you expected after the first match you can replace him with a forward from your bench that hasn’t already played during the current round. You would lose the points from NEYMAR for the round but the new player might get more points.

Scoring Points – The Recovered Ball Puzzle
We now move to how our squad actually scores points and an area of considerable confusion. FIFA’s game, as we’ve seen in the past, includes statistics such as “Balls Recovered” and “Balls Delivered into the Penalty Area” within their scoring matrix. Neither is defined in the rules.

We’ve contacted FIFA for clarification but, as it stands, remain in the dark as to how both these scoring methods are defined.

We have some familiarity with “Recovered Balls” or “Recoveries” courtesy of other games such as the Champions League affair and via OPTA’s data definition. The latter states the following:

“This is where a player wins back the ball when it has gone loose or where the ball has been played directly to him.”

This definition created the following top ten players for Recoveries from last season’s Premier League season.

PlayerTeamMinutes PlayedRecoveriesMins/Per Recovery
CameronSTO347120916.61
Ward (Joel)CPL341919917.18
ColemanEVE340218718.19
KoscielnyARS287417616.33
ShawSOT314717517.98
IvanovicCHE335916819.99
SkrtelLIV339116520.55
FonteSOT336016420.49
SagnaARS322116319.76
LovrenSOT294016118.26

However, when we compare this to data from the last World Cup Fantasy game in 2010 (credit to Billy Gilmore’s recent Hot Topic), there’s every indication that the OPTA definition is not the one likely to be used in the FIFA game. Here’s a table listing the top players from that World Cup, ranked by minutes per “Recovered Ball”.

PlayerCountryAppearancesMinutes PlayedRB per gameMins per RB
CoentraoPortugal43603.3327.00
BougherraAlgeria32702.6733.75
ChavezHonduras32702.3338.57
IzaguirreHonduras21802.0039.00
PantsilSouth Africa55102.0045.00
GrichtingSwitzerland32702.0045.00
OnyewuUSA21701.6754.00
R CostaPortugal21791.6056.25
DemelIvory Coast21801.5760.00
ShittuNigeria32701.5060.00

In all cases, the minutes per Recovery, or “Recovered Balls” were far greater in the FIFA data – suggesting that this method of scoring may not be as significant as we imagine. Indeed, with all players now having to earn two recovered balls to score a single point, we should, perhaps, show caution here.

Having said that, we have to presume that FIFA have done some modeling and that this has influenced their player pricing. Certainly it appears that defensive stats – either Recovered Balls or Blocks, have played some part in how they have produced their pricing.

Notably players like Omar Gonzalez and Geoff Cameron both of USA (5.0), are relatively high priced, presumably because, in their case, Recovered Balls and Blocks are expected to be a factor. As we see above, Cameron ranked very highly for recovered balls in the Premier League last season, while Gonzalez, a formidable, towering figure in the American defence, is presumably consider a likely consistent barrier for shots on goal.

The lack of a clear definition makes the effectiveness of Recovered Balls a mystery to us. The player pricing in the game pushes us towards cheap defenders from unfancied sides, in hope that Recovered Balls and Blocks can subsidise the inevitable lack of clean sheets. Right now, it’s not known if this strategy will pay off but, giving the aggressive price list – we’ve little option but to adopt this approach, at least to some extent.

Interestingly, Gary Medel of Chile, a player who normally plies his trade in midfield, is priced at 6.5 in the game, making him by far the most expensive Chilean defender. Presumably because FIFA have based this price on his performances in the Premier League where he made 206 Recoveries and 12 Blocks. He’s likely to be deployed at centre-back for his nation in the tournament: it’s hard to say whether that will enable him to justify his price tag.

We can further speculate on Phillip Lahm and Cesar Azpilicueta. Both are defined as midfielders in the FIFA game but are set to be deployed at full-back. Again, it’s unclear whether this misclassification will help their cause. It should be noted that, as of this evening, FIFA changed their rules meaning that midfielders now need to earn two recovered balls, rather than the original one, to earn a point.

Delivered Balls
Scoring from attacking actions is no better defined. The game states that all players earn a point for every two balls delivered into the penalty area. Again, there’s no clear definition of this but we have to presume that this includes crosses from wide positions and passes into the box. Similarly, we have to presume that, in both cases, these have to be successful, eg: they have to find team-mates. Finally, we can presume that dead-ball deliveries count.

In all cases we’re speculating and making assumptions because there is no clear definition. Again though, we have to accept that FIFA have modeled this scoring and that this has influence the player price list. Certainly, with Andres Iniesta valued at 8.5 – the top priced midfielder – there’s a suggestion that completed passes into the opposing box will be a strong factor.

Once more, the aggressive pricing has forced our hand to some degree when it comes to our midfield choice. We are drawn towards a proportion of cheaper, defensively-minded midfield options from the lesser sides – hoping that Recovered Balls and Blocks play their part. However, set-piece delivery, crosses and completed passes in the attacking third also have to be considered. This could make a player like Steven Gerrard, an individual who ticks both defensive and attacking boxes, a key figure. A price of 7.5 would certainly suggest that FIFA expect him to score strongly.

With set-pieces a likely factor, you should know that we’ve recently updated our set-piece table to list those players who are likely to be on dead-ball delivery for their respective sides.

In conclusion, the McDonald’s backed FIFA game has already proved a frustrating affair that lacks clarity and has us Fantasy Managers embarking on the tournament with so many unanswered questions. We’ve fired this issues to FIFA in hope we’ll get some clarity and, if it arrives, we’ll be sure to update you before Thursday’s deadline. For now though, the official game remains as clear as Ronald McDonald’s conscience. A real shame.

The Fantasy Football Scout League

Despite the issues, the official FIFA game remains a popular pursuit around these parts. We’ve set up an official FFS league which you can join by clicking this link.

*Edit*
Please note that this article was edited from the first draft after FIFA updated their rules on Wednesday evening, just 24-hours before deadline. As mentioned in the article, according to the new edited published rules, midfielders now need to earn two recovered balls rather than one, to earn a point.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Sweetpea
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    Evening chums.

    Why is everyone playing Ronald McDonald when Fox is the better game (and more like fpl)?

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    1. Konig Luther
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      Ronald promised a free Happy Meal for everyone here

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      1. Konig Luther
        • 12 Years
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        now, seriously. i would try a different game than FPL ( play that game for 9 months). need a refresh.. a bad refresh will remember which game is the best

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    2. sigaam
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I can't remember there beeing this much miscontent with the official fifa/uefa fantasy games before. What happened? I've always loved the euros and the wc official fantasy games. The "stick or twist" is just awesome! There is an uncertainty about some scoring yes, but hey - its equal for all - and a great chance to get paid for your extra work if you dig deep enough and actually crack the code.
      Surely this site is sponsored by other fantasy games, and will promoto those, but lets not get carried away and join a "down the maccyD" choir just on that account. I for one am just super happy with mc-donalds fantasy, and have been for quite some time. I am playing it out of tradition, its the game all colleagues like, its where we have different minileagues already set up.

      now off to study both pwc and goldman sachs predictions:)

      cheers

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      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        4 years of time to have it ready when the World Cup starts, and then they end up making the rules up on fly at the last moment.

        Well, what do we actually expect from a fast food company. It's not as if your half-assed BigMac was well prepared either.

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  2. Count of Monte Hristo
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Pick one

    a) Immobile

    b) Vargas

    c) Lavezzi

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    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Vargas out of those. Only nailed on starter.

      Consider Drmic, Lukaku, Honda

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      1. Count of Monte Hristo
        • 12 Years
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        Thanks mate

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  3. Jafooli
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    Is Vidal a good bet for any of the games? And Rodriguez (Swiss def)?

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  4. Saniul
    • 12 Years
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    Just a day to the World Cup, it feels amazing. Finally, the wait is over. Finally, a World Cup where I believe I'll able to appreciate the teams and the players because I've come to know them well. Let Fantasy Football be fun enough as well, but this time around, I've decided I'll dedicate this next couple of months to the just amazing viewing experience of the magic we call football

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    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Brought a tear to my eye Saniul :')

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    2. Konig Luther
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      and i still don't know my team

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    3. Count of Monte Hristo
      • 12 Years
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      Hoping for a great tournament

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  5. Bubz
    • 12 Years
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    If Vidal is cleared as fit to play Australia, I simply must have him. In all my games.

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  6. pdc
    • 13 Years
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    Messi, Aguero, Moutinho

    OR

    Messi, Ronaldo, Rodriguez?

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  7. Jafooli
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    11 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone got a link to WC set piece takers?

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      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
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        Magic, cheers Bubz

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  8. pundit of punts
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    Giroud nailed on?

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    1. Snikii
      • 11 Years
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      no

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  9. Pedram
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    This is my final draft:

    Cesar (Karnezis - Mbolhi)
    Evra - Yepes - Rojo (Alderweireld - Kombarov - 1m - 1m)
    Di Maria - JRodriguez - Pjanic - Valbuena (KDB - Bentaleb - 1.5m - 1m)
    Neymar(c) - Messi - Lukaku (Kokorin - 1m)

    0m in the bank, should i change anything ?

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  10. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
    • 12 Years
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    is Gago fit?

    or safer to go for Lulic?

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
      • 13 Years
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      Lulic

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  11. GHB
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Any thoughts on Jorge valdivia of chile? Have 6 million for another mid, any other recommendations?

    Cheers

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  12. 13allack
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Another change in the Recovered Balls rules by McD
    1 Point for evey 2 Recovered Balls (Defenders, Midfielders and Forwards)

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    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      eh? that just happened?

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      1. 13allack
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        yes.. Goodbye Lahm and Busquets :/

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    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Geeez again

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      😆

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    4. Reedy
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      You have got to be f****** kidding me!

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  13. Bedok
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    I just tried to set up my team in the FIFA (McD) game. It's awful. The site/interface is just about useless. Not that that helps anyone.

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  14. Le Blues
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    RMT- For the mirror game:

    Courtois

    Marcelo Rojo Kombarov

    KDB DiMaria Muller JamesRodriguez

    CR7 Messi Neymar

    Bench: Cillesen, Verthongen, Schar, ??

    Thoughts?

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    1. LOCO ABREU
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      are you sure you can afford that?

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      1. Le Blues
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Yup, Just need a filler mid on my bench. Hence the (??)

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        1. LOCO ABREU
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          don't know prices, not playing that game

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        2. Damo.
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Verratti for Costa Rica game maybe.

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          1. Le Blues
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Definitely a good option for the Costa Rica game.

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      2. LOCO ABREU
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        oh mirror, glorious team!

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        1. Le Blues
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Zhirkov or Chedjou takes the final spot. Havent decided yet.

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          1. LOCO ABREU
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            needs to be a mid no?

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            1. Le Blues
              • 11 Years
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              Both are mids in the mirror game. Dont ask...

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              1. LOCO ABREU
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 6 months ago

                player with good second fixture just for safety. Bosnia?

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                1. Le Blues
                  • 11 Years
                  11 years, 6 months ago

                  Surprisingly all the Bosnia Mids are quite expensive.
                  I get 3 transfers for the next anyway and no price changes, easy to sort out later on then.

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                  1. LOCO ABREU
                    • 13 Years
                    11 years, 6 months ago

                    zirkhov then

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                    1. Le Blues
                      • 11 Years
                      11 years, 6 months ago

                      Thanks!

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  15. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    The Ronald McDonald recovered balls fun time colouring in book XI

    Cesar, M'bolhi, (Cheap).
    Sergio Ramos, Sakho, Rojo, Kombarov, Montazeri, (Cheap).
    Yaya Toure, Vidal, Pogba, Fayzulin, Lulic, Bentaleb, (Cheap, Cheap).
    Messi, Neymar, Lukaku, Shojaei, (Cheap).

    0 in the bank.

    Effectively a 14 man squad if you exclude the Iranians/Algerians.

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Forgot Gary Cahill 😳

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    2. pundit of punts
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Very nice parm.

      Sure about Vidal and Yaya?

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Yes, see below regarding Vidal.

        Ivory Coast coach Sabri Lamouchi on Yaya Toure: "We will try and do everything to ensure he can play him." seems like a 50/50, i'm willing to risk it.

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      After the rule change, it seems like I should start afresh.

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    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      does he take away set pieces from Sanchez?

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      1. pundit of punts
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        He indeed does.

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      2. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah, penos

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Mmm..did you read it?..Sounds like he's still got a way to go yet.

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      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah, this is the most official news I could find, but other sources on twitter have him in their starting lineups now. Fingers crossed.

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    3. pundit of punts
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Doesn't say that he'll start. Started training. May well not be risked vs Australia.

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      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Promising though. I might take a risk on him.

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        1. LOCO ABREU
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          won't start imo

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            He is absolutely vital to them. I think if he's in no discomfort he will play.

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            1. LOCO ABREU
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              reports that he shouldn't have played that 15 mins in the last friendly.

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  16. VougieDipond
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Dietmar Hamann also thinks Ozil won't play. Defo seen enough sources to ditch him now

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2088160-germanys-midfield-issues-mean-i-fear-they-will-struggle-at-the-world-cup

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    1. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      mutter f***er

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    2. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      One word: Paulinho.

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    3. Snikii
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      He will start 10000% this is similar to the Rooney situation, where everybody that thinks they know something about football give their opinions

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  17. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    At what time will the McDonald's game get locked tomorrow? (GMT)

    Thanks 🙂

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  18. applebonkers
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    england's midfielder against italy just 2 years ago:

    milner ---- parker -- gerrard ---- young

    and match finished with carroll on the pitch

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    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Puke

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  19. desgadelhado
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Choose
    5-3-2
    Cesar (Cilessen, Mbholi)
    Rodriguez, Kompany, Ramos, Cholevas, Manolas (Kombarov, Rojo)
    Rodriguez, Gerrard, Pogba (De Bruyne)
    Neymar, Messi (Kokorin)

    or
    3-4-3
    Cesar (Cilessen, Mbholi)
    Cholevas, Komapny, Schaer (Rojo, Kombarov)
    Rodriguez, Alonso, Gerrard, Valbuena (De Bruyne)
    Fred, Messi, Lukaku (Kokorin)

    Which will make more points?

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  20. milanista10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    (A) Ronaldo, Pjanic, Alderweireld

    (B) Dzeko, Iniesta, Vertonghen

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      A

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  21. Blue Lion
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    *****NEW RULE CHANGE******

    Every 2 balls delivered into penalty area- 1 point for all positions
    Every 2 balls recovered -1 point for all positions except Goalkeeper

    http://en.mcdonalds.fantasy.fifa.com/rules

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      HULKSTER

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      1. Blue Lion
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Bring it on!!!

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    2. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      😆

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    3. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      So what are we on now...Role in the hole players on kicks and pens?

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      1. Blue Lion
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        pretty much..

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    4. Reedy
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      This is the LAST time I sign up for a game run by a clown

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  22. Timtastic03
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    THEY HAVE CHANGED THE RULES FOR RB..1pt for every 2 RB for everyone on the pitch -.-

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  23. Blue Lion
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Why the f*** does everybody think that Ozil won't start??

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    1. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Umpteen sources. German National newspaper. Dietmar Hamann, Lotthar Mattahaus. Google and Twitter search has plenty articles on it

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    2. LOCO ABREU
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      geman press

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    3. pundit of punts
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Muller is a better bet anyway for the same price.

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    4. Pinturicchio
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      German public, papers, and media figures are against him. Schweini and he may not feature from the start against Portugal.

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    5. 13allack
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Bild says he won't start, neither will Schweini
      Their predicted lineup for the Portugal game
      Neuer
      Boateng Mertesacker Hummels Howedes
      Lahm
      Khedira Kroos
      Schurrle Muller Podolski

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    6. KujaliaFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I think he will start.

      What manager doesn't pick Oezil when he's fit and available?

      Not even David Moyes could be that obtuse.

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  24. Thomass
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Everyone one in the SPAIN team check your email now! Now

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    1. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      when?

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    2. The Pep Revolution
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      A few firings on the way 😉

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      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        😆

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      2. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        but all with kind regards, because Thomass loves them sooooo much.

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  25. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Ok so another one just to be safe....

    After one has hit the confirm button, one can still make changes that takes place right away?
    McD is the game

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    1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Right up to the locking of the game before Brazil-Croatia

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  26. T1P
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    This is an absolute joke changing the rules after I've spent hours looking at recovered balls stats for mdifielders!

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      😀

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    2. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I'm actually starting to get happy for not having even an account yet.

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    3. dhruv_b
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      wait so should I now get Gerrard or Cuadrado? Gerrard would have given more RB's but Cuadrado more goals!

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  27. JustWatching
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Is Mena nailed on at left back for Chile? Someone answer me NOW!

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      No

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      No..not for being rude and very shouty.

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    3. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      I will answer this later on

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      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        ....when the game has started and no transfers can be made. 😉

        I will answer all questions then as well. 😎

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  28. Sweetpea
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Peralta or Alexis Sancez?

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    1. Sweetpea
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Actually:

      Peralta, Alexis Sanchez or Jackson Martinez?

      Thanks.

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  29. waltzingmatildas
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    How do you join the FFS league on the McDonald's game? Clicked the link but can't see the league......

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    1. LOCO ABREU
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      think you can only see tomorow

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