Opinion

The Burning Question – Who Joins Costa in the Essential Stakes?

With nine goals in seven appearances, Diego Costa has wasted no time announcing himself as a major player across the Fantasy games this season. The Chelsea striker leads the way in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game with a total of 54 points, and despite a hefty 66.8% ownership, has continued to earn plenty of transfers in over the international break.

Scoring in all but one of his Premier League outings to date – away to champions City – Costa’s consistency not only makes him an obvious contender for most three-man frontlines, it lessens the hassle of armband selection, as evidenced by our Captain Poll in any given Gameweek.

As the season unfolds, though, there are a number of players stepping up in terms of consistency. Arguably, there are more options than ever this term, with alternatives across the price brackets and classifications affording Fantasy managers a variety of tactical approaches.

With this in mind, we ask the Burning Question – Who Joins Costa in the Essential Stakes?

Applebonkers says…
I’d personally change the question to who joins Gylfi Sigurdsson in the essential stakes. Given his starting price – and even current cost – his propensity to hit double figures is impossible to ignore. He’s also somewhat proven after we saw him do the same in his previous spell at Swansea. This is what separates him from the equally impressive Nacer Chadli right now – that extra level of familiarity and trust.

Costa looks a perfect fit at Chelsea, too. The fear with him, though, is that the best is gone. To put it bluntly he won’t be scoring 49 goals this season. We’ve seen even the best peter out at 30. So if you estimate there’s a maximum of 21 goals left in him, he’ll need to start popping out some top-up assists to reach essential status. I do think he has them in his locker but we need to see them still.

The third name which has to be mentioned is Angel di Maria. His intensity is something I’ve only ever seen with Luis Suarez, and to a lesser extent, Carlos Tevez. These players force things to happen and fortune does tend to follow them, too. They are the equivalent of whacking a pool shot so hard that even if you miss you’ve got a chance of going round the table and finding another pocket. If Di Maria continues to get five points for his good shots and three points for his bad shots, then he will be essential. That extreme level of fortune so far, coupled with only seeing him in great fixtures (including Everton, given the perfect absence of James McCarthy and Seamus Coleman) is why I’d be reluctant to label him essential just yet.

Jonty says…
There’s no doubting Diego Costa’s essential status. With an ownership of 66.8% in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game thanks to nine goals in seven appearances, he is the default captain choice. Indeed, even those owners who don’t hand him the armband him face a slide down the rankings on weeks where he runs riot.

It is for this same reason I believe Angel di Maria is also now essential. His ownership was 37.2% earlier this week but is set to rise substantially during the international break, with over 110,000 new owners drafting him in already. Given that in just five appearances he racked up 43 points, which equates to 8.6 points per game, those without him need an equivalent player just to keep up. Apart from Costa, that player simply does not yet exist. I had hoped David Silva would be a good differential for me to keep pace but didn’t work out, so I have already made the swap for Di Maria. The key factor was realising my ranking movements were heavily influenced by the performance of the Argentine, so great is his ownership.

For those looking to get into the top 10,000, his essential status is further cemented. Among this elite group, 79.6% went into Gameweek 7 with the talented Manchester United midfielder. In that week he racked up 13 points, a third double-digit score of his fledgling Premier League career, leaving a fifth of the top managers facing a rankings slide.

There is a slight caveat around immediate investment. He faces Chelsea and Manchester City over the next three but looks more than capable of bringing in points over the rest of his short-term fixture list. A final thought on Di Maria. His FPL price has risen by 0.6 over the last five Gameweeks in a climate of stagnant price growth. Can Fantasy managers really afford to wait to draft in this essential player?

d1sable says…
Although Costa has been fantastic, I would argue that even he isn’t essential and I will use my FPL team to show that. I don’t own the Spaniard – this isn’t something I have consciously tried to do (I had him at the start) – it’s simply that I got bored of everyone having the same team. It’s a bit of a luxury of mine to be able to play around more than your average FPL player as my main game, as you probably know, is the Sky Game. Sure I’m not having a great season by any means currently festering at 117,534 overall but I think that’s largely down to a terrible and slightly unlucky start and the sea of two-pointers that have greeted me ever since from every player bar my Captain, and herein lies my proof.

With nearly everyone owning Costa (and most captaining him) I have managed to match his scores so far:

Costa has delivered: 6,6,12,17,1,6,6 = 54 Total
My chosen captain (Costa once, returning 6) has produced: 7,6,2,13,8,9,13 = 58 Total

Sure it would’ve been nice to have Costa’s points as well as my “differential” captain but, as you can see, it’s possible to make do without him as long as you nail the captain choice. How long will this be the case? Yeah, that’s the concern.

7shadesofsmoke says…
Luis Suarez set the benchmark for ‘essential’ very high last season, and while Diego Costa leads the way this term, I’d be hesitant to hand the Chelsea hit-man top billing just yet. Costa has yet to earn an assist, has picked up three yellow cards in seven appearances, and for all of his prolificacy he’s picked up a single bonus point from four matches in which he has scored fewer than two goals.

Meanwhile, Sergio Aguero, whose minutes have been restricted, has picked up six bonus points without breaking stride and has a single yellow card to his name meaning that, in terms of points per minute, there isn’t much between the two. With fixtures turning in favour of City, and fitness and form finding their way to Aguero, Diego Costa may find the little Argentine a serious threat to the crown.

Of course, Aguero is not the only Argentine making a case. Angel di Maria has been quickly establishing himself as an FPL force. The United midfielder boasts the highest points per game (8.6) – comfortably eclipsing even Costa (7.7). His direct, high-risk approach to the game, coupled with the quality of United’s predatory forwards has seen him pick up double-figure hauls in three of his five appearances (Costa has two from seven). Some will argue Lady Luck’s involvement but she has shown to be a loyal mistress in the past. Frank Lampard, master of the deflected goal, famously wooed her into a long-term relationship using a similar approach and it seems that Di Maria is on the right path to doing the same, earning her favour with a ‘shoot on sight, cross in range’ philosophy. However, with fixtures tightening up for United, the real tests of their flourishing relationship are still to come.

Mark says…
For me, the status of “essential” is gained via a number of factors – it’s not necessarily down to pure points output but also the options available elsewhere. While Costa has clearly been the stand-out option up front to this point, this may not be the case in the coming months.

Costa’s nine goals thus far have arrived at a time when Sergio Aguero has been battling back to full fitness, along with Daniel Sturridge, while Radamel Falcao has been bedding in at Old Trafford. All three will be options in the coming months and, suddenly, that could even have us questioning Costa’s selection – particularly if Eden Hazard begins to flourish as an explosive differential.

I’d hesitate to throw the label at any other player right now. While Angel di Maria’s scoring hints that he could edge towards such a status, I still believe there are just too many options available in this area to settle on the United man. Crucially, we’ve seen several mid-price assets perform, which has enabled us to consider keeping big funds out of midfield – this has meant that we can restrict our allocation of heavy-hitters to maybe one or two targets. I’ve certainly settled on that tactic, liberating funds for defensive purchases and settling on Raheem Sterling’s goal power for my heavy-hitter.

I believe that we’ll see both Branislav Ivanovic and Leighton Baines continue to pick up ownership and become key figures. These two players are important because we’re not seeing consistent clean sheets, either from the bigger teams or in the budget market. While last season we could settle on cheap defences, then, this term there appears to be some traction in acquiring Ivanovic and Baines for their attacking output. Both appear to be playing as wingers in home matches, and while we scratch around for clean sheets, their goals and assists warrant the outlay and, for me, make it less essential that we spend big in midfield.

Tom F says…
Essential is such a loaded word in Fantasy Football terms, it gets used far too often in relation to players who should only ever be considered as transitory options, in a game that depends on how a squad of players is managed over a long season.

There are usually maybe one, or at a push, two players who are ‘essential’ in the traditional sense at any given time. A mixture of form, value, ownership and, most importantly, consistency combine to establish those players who will usually leave you trailing behind the masses if you choose to overlook them.

Costa is the only player who has been almost unanimously labelled ‘essential’ so far this season, though there are one or two candidates that could reach the same level. Rather than speculate on whether Di Maria, Aguero or perhaps even Daniel Sturridge or Radamel Falcao will become ‘essential’ I think it’s more useful to look further at what makes players attract this nomenclature.

Firstly a player must be on form for a prolonged period to become or be essential, a rare thing, particularly as even the best players have difficult fixtures or off days. Consistency here is key, points per game over an extended period is the best indicator of this but then only in relation to value. In FPL, with a finite budget available, if expending a large amount on a player, they need to fit the form/ consistency distinction but also offer value.

Value, an integral aspect to the squad building/maintenance theory as opposed to picking whoever you feel will do well each week. Gylfi Sigurdsson perhaps presents the best example this season – he offers significant value and is therefore perhaps as much as an essential player as the consistent Costa. Furthermore, he illustrates how form is influential as witnessed by the Icelanders recent barren spell, over which period he was clearly not essential. If examined over a longer run however his points per game (PPG) could push it the other way, on the basis that transfers were likely better spent elsewhere and his value is that he provided an effective amount of returns possible for that period. An essential for some squads, for the longer period, but not necessarily essential in every team when a transfer could be used on an effective differential in the short-term.

Another topic much discussed this week is how ownership comes into play, whether it should affect transfer decisions. This is perhaps where the word ‘essential’ in understanding FPL becomes compelling along with the other favourite ‘cover’. Players are ostensibly even less of an ‘essential’ option when, for example, all you need is to cover an area of their team. The Southampton and Chelsea defences spring to mind – Clyne and Bertrand have ownerships of 26.2% and 12.1% respectively, throw in Fonte and Forster and, although there will be some overlap for double-ups, that is 53.1% of managers who own a Southampton defender. That’s around the same as Fabregas and Sterling. Is a Southampton defender really essential, though?

I can’t pretend to be as knowledgeable of statistics as some discussing the subject of ownership but my anecdotal view from last season was that having players that everyone else had, or at least covering most of the high ownership targets, was a way of maintaining that position. This made some players “essential” or at least useful for retaining rank. If everyone is drawn to the same seven or eight players than it becomes a game with fewer options. This obviously helps those teams already doing well, making it far more difficult for trailing Fantasy managers to close the gap.

I agree with the statement ‘pick the players that will get the most points’ but I find that it slightly misses the point. The same players cannot necessarily be the ones getting the most points for every team. You can’t have the best players every week and take endless hits, we have to choose when and who to transfer in/out. Teams therefore should develop over time and one player that is essential for one team, may not work in another as they may end up being in that team for longer or unbalance the whole.

Essentially, it all comes down to your own squad and in many cases a player can be an essential cog in that machine. It is however a nonsense to suggest a player is ‘essential’ in overarching terms for everyone playing the game. With the proviso that once in the top 1k to 10k, going without some players can be risky. Are there any players that challenge Costa as essential? Right now, probably not, in a few weeks it could be any of Aguero, Falcao, Sturridge, Di Maria etc but only if they fit into your team and strategy as well.

Andy says…
Essential is myth perpetrated by the insecure. Essential is the lies your parents tell you to help you sleep at night. Essential is a complete fallacy.

Essential is a word that Fantasy Managers hide behind to mask what it really means: safety. Dull, dull, dull safety. Despite the question, Diego Costa shouldn’t even be considered essential. He’s just a mighty fine player doing a mighty fine job. Bravo.

Does having him in your Fantasy team make a great deal of sense? It certainly seems to be the case. He’s scoring goals, he’s owned by a huge percentile of fellow managers and he’s the main striker for the title favourites. Do you have to have him, or any other player, in your Fantasy team to succeed? Of course not.

As weeks roll by it’s far easy to own a player like Costa (and Luis Suarez and Robin Van Persie and Cristiano Ronaldo in years gone by) and just forget about the choice -or lack of choice- you make in doing so, but it is far from a pre-requisite. You’ll sleep easier, parents lies or not. You’ll have fewer grey hairs at the end of the season. Odds are that you’ll probably score more points but they’re not insurmountable. But you know that you’ll also go against your gut in doing so.

I’m steadfast in the belief that no player should be considered a must have. There is such a wide variety of options, so many balances and measures that go with building a Fantasy squad, that any apparent loss of a so-called “essential” player can be made up for with some astute acquisitions in other positions and a dash of good fortune.

Buying a Diego Costa is safe and easy, but taking a chance on [player x] is ultimately so much more rewarding. I know, I’ve done it and lived to tell the tell. Some times you just have to fly closer to the sun to really take in your surroundings.

Angel di Maria is not essential. Sergio Aguero is not essential. Gylfi Sigurdsson is not essential. David Nugent is not essential.

Essential is a fantasy.

Paul says…
It all comes down to how your approach. Last year, for example, Yaya Toure would have been deemed essential to your Fantasy prospects, yet if you delved into the underlying data, the numbers suggested his 20-goal output was a fluke – even this week, the City midfielder (as we mentioned in this week’s Say What) admitted he was more than lucky to hit the back of the net with such regularity.

I didn’t own Toure once in 2013/14 and I’d do exactly the same again if a player’s underlying stats were similarly underwhelming. Some may call that naïve but it’s simply a reflection of how I personally like to play the FPL game, how I enjoy it. Bringing in Toure last year would, to me, be the equivalent of the ending of George Orwell’s Big Brother (spoiler alert), the Winston Smith moment where I finally succumbed.

To have owned Toure last year would, to be frank, have bored me. It would have gone against how I play the game. And given that I invest a great deal of time on this game, that’s not something that sat well with me. If that comes at the detriment to my overall rank – like it did last year – then so be it. I don’t want the bland, easy option, I’d much rather look for an angle that challenges me and keeps it interesting over a 38-Gameweek campaign.

That’s why Luis Suarez was Fantasy gold for the last two seasons – his returns mirrored what we saw on the pitch and were backed up by the data. You can say the same for Cristiano Ronaldo and Gareth Bale before they left for La Liga – there was no question they deserved their monster hauls.

There are players I currently own –Branislav Ivanovic, Raheem Sterling and Diego Costa – that, injuries aside, are going nowhere as their stats are so strong within their respective classifications. Angel di Maria is possibly in my XI for the long-term, too, though given that three of his five appearances were against promoted sides, it’s too early to say. Theo Walcott is another player whose stats, returns and performances on the pitch sit well with how I play this game- when fit, I’ll be bringing him in for sure.

To classify them, or, indeed, any player as essential, though, would be to limit my choices, to restrict my tactical approach. It would be tedious. What would be the point in that?

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  1. VougieDipond
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Roy Carroll makes a great pen save

  2. Mr. Perfectionist
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    How is this looking for a WC team:-

    Lloris Krul
    Baines Clyne Chambers Duff Moore
    Sanchez ADM Siggy Sterling Boyd
    Costa Welbeck Pelle

    Would you pick Chadli over Siggy??

    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Phew...There is life

    2. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I wouldn't, but that's me.

      1. Think Tank
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Yes, I went Chadli over Siggy - and he is outperforming him to boot.

        Unfortunately though, that counts for little. Popularity wins over performance in this game.

        1. Beavis
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Siggy is the top scoring midfielder.... How is he outperforming him?

    3. Neville's Advocate
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Wouldn't be getting Krul in myself on a WC.

      1. Mr. Perfectionist
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Any suggestions for a rotating option with Lloris??

        1. Neville's Advocate
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Maybe just downgrade and play Lloris? Seems an awful lot of money to be spending on keepers otherwise! Also takes away any frustration of picking which to play every week. That's just my take though!

          1. Mr. Perfectionist
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Thanks!

    4. Messi & fabregas
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      can y get both siggy + chadli instead of boyd? downgrade lloris to a 4.0 keeper to facilitate this?

      1. Mr. Perfectionist
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Would give me a benching headache every week. And that usually doesn't end well for me.

    5. Who Ate All Depays?
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I've gone with Chadli...see the above post

    6. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Chadli rather than Sanchez and some cheaper goalkeeping set up plus Aguero and you in my opinion have it cracked.

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Sanchez may well bite us all over the next couple of games...

        1. Hibbo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          He could but I'm a stickler for form in the present and he's been in and out a bit.

          Sure that'll change with Özil out but seems as if he's adjusting to the league a bit at the minute.

          His quality thou could see him pull in hauls I can't dispute that.

          1. Dr Dream
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            The in and out lark put me off him so I sold him...I wish i still had him now with all these injuries in his team.

            1. Hibbo
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 7 months ago

              I kinda want to own Chadli he was showing up well in my stat table along with Sterling in a table dominated by strikers and Ivanovic. He could well be my break away from the template I'd like a few diffs with good fixtures then settle the team down for six weeks again see how I go.

      2. Mr. Perfectionist
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Who would you replace though, Pelle or Welbeck??

        1. Hibbo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Probably Pellè even thou I own him over Welbeck :/

          1. Mr. Perfectionist
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Cheers

  3. Messi & fabregas
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Please some thoughts lads ?

    4,5 , 4.0
    chambers, duff, XXX, XXX, XXX,
    cesc, sterling, siggy, adm, XXX
    costa, kun, welbeck

    A) Azpilicueta, Kaboul, Jagielka, Boyd (NO BAINES)

    B) Baines, Bertrand, Moore/ Hutton, Boyd

    C) Bertrand, Jagielka, Moore, Chadli (tempting to have that front 8!! but NO BAINES)

    Thanks

    1. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B for me, Baines + Nice fixtures + less selection headache

    2. Mr. Perfectionist
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Definitely B)

    3. Messi & fabregas
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      i thank u both

  4. WDT
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Berahino Costa Falcao

    Too weak?

    1. Messi & fabregas
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      if berahino does well then ok

      welbeck or kun ?

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Nah, lovely

  5. Wouter
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Begovic
    Clyne, Moreno, Naylor;
    Siggy, Sterling, Fabregas, Di Maria;
    Costa, Welbeck, Aguero

    (McCarthy, PVA, Moore, Boyd)

    Got 2 FT's and 0.4 ITB.

    Anything I should swap around and what would to spend the FT on?

    Would obviously do this after all of them come back without injury from international duty.

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Baines is all the rage this week.

      1. Wouter
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I would if I could haha

    2. RSe
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Wow....Exactly the same squad here.....also 2FT but only 0.2 ITB, you win!

    3. RSe
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Whats your OR out of interest?

      1. Wouter
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        It's 1,052. Dropped out of the top 1k last GW. 🙁

    4. Mr. Perfectionist
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Looks great

  6. Call Me Old Fashioned
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    DDG
    Cahill Moore Clyne
    Tadic ADM(v) Sterling Siggy
    Aguero Costa(C) Ulloa

    Subs Hamer PVA Marney Chester

    1.6 in bank.

    Taking out Chester or DDG after next GW. Ulloa--->Welbeck or save the FT?

    1. Mr. Perfectionist
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Worthy transfer to make

  7. Declan
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Poland goal 🙁

  8. Epic Fail
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Poland 1-0

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      🙁 no good for us

      1. Declan
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        or us. 🙁

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Aye. You really could do with Germany killing them. This group is gonna be tough to call, especially the 3rd place spot.

    2. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Who all you's guys follow in international?

      1. Wouter
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        MVG vs Bunting.

    3. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Bloody taking our jobs our houses and now our 2 nd spot
      Why you polish grrr

  9. VougieDipond
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    posts are leaving faster than new ones are going on

  10. Points Make Price Rises?
    Think Tank
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Is it time for FPL Towera to shake up their game format?

    Why do player prices rise because of increased ownership, as opposed to good performance?

    it doesn't make sense. It rewards the template band-wagoners and punishes independent thought.

    Players should rise .1m for every 10 points scored, added during the match alongside points, with transfers blocked during games.

    So Costa would be up 0.5 (50+ points) Siggy +0.4m (+40 points) etc

    Why should Siggy be worth 0.4m more than Chadli for example, when both started at 6.0m and only 4 points separate them?

    Why wouldn't this idea work?

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      if it ain't broke don't fix it applies I think.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        But are you just accepting mediocracy because you know no better? Just because you arent aware that its broken does not mean that it isnt.

      2. Grumpy Camel
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        A real high achievers attitude you have there.

    2. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Would price crouch out of everyone's reach

      And how would they reduce in price out of interest

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Increase if score above average
        decrease if score below average

        LET THE CHAOS COMMENCE

        1. John t penguin
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          What is average score for individual players out of interest, assume it is 4-5 ish
          Would be a lot of changes every week

        2. Think Tank
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Players could decrease after 3 blank gw's, for example.

          1. Think Tank
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            But transfer costs would still apply.

            As it stands, I can get Costa (for example) at the same price pre hat-trick as post hat-trick. The game would benefit by taking away this comfort.

            1. Kalix
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 7 months ago

              You've missed out on a hat-trick...where the hell are you finding comfort from 😛 😆

          2. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Would be better if they decreased with selling. Most players will end up at least 1m more. There won't be many 4.0 defenders for example.

    3. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Plausible. Though 0.1 for 10 pts is too slow.

      1. Think Tank
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Not really - look at player points vs gains. My proposal runs pretty much in line with current rises, but removes the popularity surge. Instead, it's based purely on points.

        1. Solenya
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Okay, I'd take that back. Giving some though, compared with Yaya's pts & final price, I suppose it's about right. Would require a bit more thought to appreciate it's long term ramifications but certainly an alternative way rises/drops may be done.

    4. Fitzy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      This is exactly how the Aussie Sportal fantasy game works (and that is the same format as the more popular NRL fantasy games down here). Prices rise and fall based on performance and within a 3 game rolling average. Prices don't change until a player has played 3 games and then they move up or down after every subsequent appearance. Works great imo...

      1. Kalix
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        interesting

    5. Caine & Co.
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      stupid idea

      1. Think Tank
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        How so?

        It removes mid-week price rise/falls, abolishes the confusion surrounding flag protection and would also make wild cards meaningful again.

        I think its daft that Mata drops .3 and Silva rises .1 despite Mata out scoring Silva.

        Or that Siggy rises .8 and Chadli only .4 despite very similar total scores (Chadli with a higher ppg)

        It means that even if a manager makes the right decision, points wise, their TV still suffers as a result from not following the template.

        1. GeneralDegenerate
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I don't particularly like this idea even though I have reservations about the advantages people gain from playing the 'money game'. One example would be the fact that it does not take future fixtures into account and what if a player gets a big haul but they will be replaced by another player coming back from injury or they are banned. There are plenty of other fantasy games that follow different rules and formulas.

    6. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Because it is appalling nonsense. The whole point is about demand and supply. Please.

      1. SEASIDER
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I'm a bit late to the party but exactly this. Simple market forces. Supply and demand.

    7. Van Klinkert Delarosa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I like the thought behind this concept. A refreshing one.

      But don't you think it would be more predictable in the market? More bandwagon?

      Let say, Arsenal fixture is the first one during this week, and Ozil got himself a hattie, CS and 3 Bonus points. Surely he would be getting 0.1 or maybe even 0.2 (depend on his starting points before the game). People will just transfer him in right after the match or even before the match finish, because they know he will surely get those 0.1 / 0.2.

      So, it is more predictable and easy wagon to hop in.

      1. Think Tank
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        As stated in my original post, transfers are blocked during games with price rises added alongside baps. Transfers would then be allowed after this time.

        1. Van Klinkert Delarosa
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I missed that one.

          But my point still stand tho, if before the game start (deadline), player starting the gameweek with eg; 27,28,29 they would still increase in price at the end of the day.

    8. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I thought of this exact idea ages ago. In my model a player would rise like your's and would fall fall by 0.1m every second week if their score was 3 points or less over those 2 weeks. This model also capped off ownership at a maximum of 35% for each player

    9. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I used to play Yahoo Fantasy Football from around 2000 until 2005 and price changes were based on player performances.

      It worked well. There would just be one price change per week though, so you'd make all your changes on the Saturday evening. And there were unlimited transfers per week too, so you'd get in someone like Chadli "just in case" you wanted him the next week.

      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        The NRL games work well, like Fitzy says, the advantage for most is that prices change during a weekend lockout, so there no changes midweek. However many might consider money too important in those games, as by the end of the season most people have the perfect team because they have made so much money

    10. aquavit
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      The relation between demand and price is basic economics. 🙂

      Another game I play, ESPN Premier Fantasy, adjusts prices to reflect performance. That's good for my morale, as the prices of all my players have gone up, but I haven't gotten any advantage from it yet.

  11. Willos Wanderers
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Bringing in Baines this game week...

    Who to ditch: Chambers, Taylor or PVA?

    1. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      PVA

  12. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    How do Greece manage to keep beating teams with such average players and no economy

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      great coaching. they have been doing it for over 10 years now

      1. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Crazy to me
        Know they ain't exciting to watch but surely we have something to learn here

        1. VougieDipond
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          It worked for us under Smith and McLeish when we done the double over france only lost out to Italy in a nightmare group to qualify not so long ago. England should adopt the same model they have pace and quality. Fans would get annoyed though

          1. John t penguin
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            We also lost to Ukraine n Georgia
            These are type of games Greece always win 1-0

    2. Declan
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Timing 🙂

  13. Ginkapo FPL
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Does your surname have to begin with Mc to get on the N.irish bench?

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I qualify then 😀

    2. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      McAye

    3. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Hat trick for Ronald then

  14. Qubit
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Alternative but not too alternative. (nothing above 20% ownership, mostly lower). I like it and I think it will do well from now to xmas 🙂

    Szczesny Mannone
    Chambers Apzi Duff Baines Hutton
    Chadli Hazard Milner Arfield Eriksen
    Aguero Welbeck Sturridge

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      apart from the Chesney selection it looks good

      1. Qubit
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Think Arsenal will keep good few cleanies between now and xmas

    2. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I'd be tempted to get Sanchez in there while we're at it.

      1. Qubit
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        He was in there, but had to balance the books somewhere! 🙂 Mostly just trying to point out that there are plenty of really rather good options available. To be honest i think that team stands a good chance of outscoring my own FPL team

        1. VougieDipond
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          everyone moaning about the same team doesn't realise there are thousands of players who don't visit this site and post their teams on it.
          People complain that there are no differentials but then hound peoples teams that aren't template.

          1. Qubit
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Yep, its the hive mentality in action.

        2. Solenya
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Yup. Nice spread of options this year.

    3. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Very nice...Sir Chesney > Lloris..avoids the double up and Spurs have good fixtures for a while

      1. Solenya
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        This as well.

      2. Qubit
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Yeh that would do, good swap 🙂

    4. Kalix
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I like it, fair play! 🙂

  15. Hibbo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Fabregas & Rio

    Or

    Chadli & Baines -4

    from gw8...

    1. Mr. Perfectionist
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      You mean Rio who plays for QPR? 😛

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Yes!

        1. Mr. Perfectionist
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          In that case - definitely the latter option without a doubt

    2. Ninjaa
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Out of those options Chadli and Baines

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        If you had a free choice?

        1. Ninjaa
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Don't know the rest of your team but for about that price Bertrand and Stirling seem essential to me.

    3. beric
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Well not Rio

    4. Sess!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Obviously the second one.

    5. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Second one by a distance

  16. Ninjaa
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Any need to change this front 6. I've got 1. 9m in the bank. 

    Hazard Stirling Di Maria Sigurdsen
    Costa Dzeko Pelle

    Thanks for advice guys

    1. Ninjaa
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Contemplating Dzeko > Welbeck but not sure ???????

  17. Who Ate All Depays?
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    A) Aguero & Siggy (0.3m itb)
    B) Welbeck & Sanchez (1.2m itb)

    1. Ninjaa
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      A aaaaaal day mate

    2. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      do you trust arsenal that much? A for me

    3. beric
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B

  18. thepuntmaster
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    How likely is it that Coleman will be fit for Sat?

  19. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Greece are a bit rubbish

  20. Wouter
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Pogba 2-0

  21. Optimus.
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Germany are missing Mandzukic badly

    1. beric
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      lel

    2. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      lol and Lewandowski

      1. The Machine
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Man dzeko plays for Croatia and lewo plays for Poland

        1. VougieDipond
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          whoosh!

          1. The Machine
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            😎

  22. beric
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Go Poland!

    1. The Machine
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      +1

    2. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      uh no we need Germany to win

      1. beric
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Come now, surely even players of qualifying ff don't really care abt it

        1. VougieDipond
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          no Germany are in our group we need Germany to run away with it to give us a better chance in the fight v Rep Ireland and Poland.
          we have to go to Poland tuesday night and play a Poland team full of confidence

          1. beric
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Ah sorry, fair enough then

        2. Konig Luther
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          i think he said that because germany victory its more easy for ireland qualification

          1. Konig Luther
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            or Scotland.. sorry

  23. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Kolarov and Clichy is a well worn and annoying path. It's not so much the rotation that kills the Kolarov pick but the annoying regularity of substituting each other for cameos...an actual rotation wouldn't be a problem really...So...What about he other side ?...With City having a good run coming up and Zaba and Sagna at right back is it a lot more likely that they either play or they don't play...rather than the cameo lark ?

    1. VougieDipond
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      not worth the headache .

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        You think more of the same then ?...Zaba is playing quite well despite bombing in the pts early on...

        1. VougieDipond
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          games just keep coming thick and fast. pellegrini has said he will be rotating all his players including the GK

          1. Dr Dream
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Yeah I saw it....

    2. Touré De Force
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Zaba starts 90% of the time or more in the league I'll wager.

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Oh yeah..I know he's first choice...I just want folks thought that with two RB's this season we won't see him coming on for 15 mins when Sagna plays the odd game...Either play or don't play is fine (but he'll play the lions share)

        1. Solenya
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I think yes, Zaba & Sagna are much safer to the cameo treatment. The thing with Kolorov & Clichy is they're very different players. Kolorov has a set pieces and a nice cross on him. Much better player in the attacking sense but a slight liability in defence. Clichy is quick and much better defensively. Hence there's always this option for you as Pellegrini to bring one on for the other to change the course of the game in the final minutes i.e. some attacking inspiration or defensive tightening up with more legs. Not some much with Zaba to Sagna and vice versa.

          1. Dr Dream
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Lovely...exactly my thoughts...

        2. Touré De Force
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          No guarantee that won't happen, except I do think he's more influential than either of the LB's and also being a seasoned squad member and general pro, he is less likely to be subbed in a game he starts.

    3. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Certainly much safer, but I'd be much more tempted by Mangala given the CBs propensity for Baps and headed goals + 0.5 cheaper. What do the stats suggest there?

      1. VougieDipond
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Mangala is who I am going for once SOT's fixtures dry up

        1. Solenya
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Yup am looking at him as well.

      2. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Aye good pick..but Pell's comments last weekend was a bit worrying...

        1. Solenya
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Missed it. What did he say?

          1. Dr Dream
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Just that he has a squad and intends to use it...including defence and keeper...

          2. Think Tank
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Basically said that he's happy with Demi too.

            City backline pecking order as it stands:

            Kompany
            Zabaleta
            Mangala/Demi Kolarov/Clichy
            Sagna

  24. Konig Luther
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Quaresma Goal

    1. beric
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Loved him once, in pro evo

      1. beric
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        My phone tried to autocorrect pro to Rvp, that's not a good sign

      2. Optimus.
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Ah pro evo back in the day 🙁

        1. beric
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I always stuck by it but never really game anymore. Apparently this year's is excellent

          1. Optimus.
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            I've never bought Fifa,played a demo once or twice...I'd never cheat on Pro Evo 😀

        2. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Used to be brill right from the days of ISS.

          1. Optimus.
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            ISS oh yeah 😀

          2. beric
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Until recently it was way better every year

    2. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Penalty just after Ronaldo subbed.

  25. Touré De Force
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Bookies loving this Poland result

  26. beric
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Podolski post, would've been so good

  27. Touré De Force
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Concept I have been toying with recently:
    There is no such thing as a 'sideways' transfer. A swap should purely be considered on the basis if whether it will yield more points in the planned timeframe. An example I can think of this season is if a poster came along in GW2 wondering if he/she should do Terry > Ivanovic, he'd be told sideways move, better ways to spend a transfer. Now this example suits my argument, but I think it's a valid point. Any counter arguments?

    1. Fitzy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Well, hindsight will of course make a transfer that seemed sideways when contemplated look great down the track. Those kind of transfers are pretty hard to categorically say will yield you more points when you first do them.

      1. Touré De Force
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Sure, but they should not be automatically discounted because they involve two players in the same team for the same spot.Which they often are here.

    2. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I think people use the term sideways to suggest there may be a more profit worthy transfer to be done elsewhere, atleast I do that way. Player's esp defenders from the same team do unfairly fall victim to the sideways move label though, in that sense your point is valid.

  28. Optimus.
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Wow we are going to hammer Germany

  29. Woy of the Wovers
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Gotta love the Poles.

  30. Konig Luther
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Poland 2-0