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The Burning Question – Should Southampton Players Be Kept Or Ditched?

15 November 2014 2332 comments
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With seven clean sheets and 23 goals, Southampton have enjoyed a tremendous first 11 Gameweeks to the season. They sit second in the Premier League with players such as Graziano Pelle in attack and Ryan Bertrand in defence proving to be cast-iron Fantasy assets.

However, while the Saints have strong momentum, over the coming weeks they face a daunting spell leading up to Christmas and beyond.

Gameweek 12’s trip to Villa provides easy passage into a run that introduces back-to-back matches with Arsenal, Man City and Man United. Indeed, Ronald Koeman’s side will then face Everton, Chelsea and Arsenal again in the three home fixtures that follow. In short, it’s an evil spell that could well reduce Fantasy output from back to front.

With this in mind, and with Pelle already shedding owners having gone three outings without a goal, our first of two “Burning Questions” this week asks whether Southampton players should be retained or ditched?

Jonty says…
Keeping on top of big shifts in the Premier League fixture list is crucial for me as a Fantasy manager. During Southampton’s kind and very long run of games, which ends in Gameweek 12, I stocked up on their assets. In came Ryan Bertrand and Graziano Pelle in Gameweek 6 and Dusan Tadic a week later.

It was a move that has gone on to define my season with this trio bringing in a total of 45 points in Gameweek 8, when I climbed more than 150,000 places into the top 10,000. Three Gameweeks on I’m still in this elite bunch, in fact now into the too 5,000 thanks in part to Pelle’s consistent returns and Bertrand’s clean sheets. I’m not sure in seven years of playing Fantasy football one team has defined my season in such a way.

But time moves on. From Gameweek 13 they face a run that includes City, United, Everton and Chelsea at home and Arsenal away. It’s one of the worst runs of opponents I’ve ever seen. Just as I constructed a team to take advantage of their kind spell, I will now look to build a lineup that takes advantage of others who have far better fixtures. From Gameweek 13 I will either ditch all three of my Southampton assets with hits or use my wildcard.

Tadic will always have a special place in my heart with his 23-point haul in Gameweek 8, but he has achieved little since with his strong underlying stats rarely translating into Fantasy points. For me, Nacir Chadli, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Stewart Downing all offer better points potential at a cheaper price.

Pelle has been reliable against weaker sides. But I don’t think he’ll maintain that against stronger opponents. Besides, for around a million less I can get other strikers like Charlie Austin or Diafra Sakho with better fixtures and similar returns.

Bertrand has to go as well. As Heels Over Head points out in his excellent recent analysis of clean sheet data, Southampton are unlikely to maintain their excellent shut-out rate. For a million more I can tap into Chelsea’s defence. For a million less I can invest in a Burnley or Newcastle defender and use Bertrand’s cash to invest in my Alexis Sanchez fund. Fantasy Football can be a ruthless business but, in order to stay at and improve on the rank Southampton have helped me achieve, I am ready to dump their players without hesitation.

Greenwindmill says…
My view on this is probably warped by what was undoubtedly the best (luckiest) transfer I made last season: After 6 clean sheets, a goal, numerous bonus points and several price rises in the first 11 Gameweeks, it wasn’t an easy decision to dump Jose Fonte. However, Southampton’s fixtures took a turn for the worse so I took the plunge and swapped him for Per Mertesacker ahead of Southampton’s Gameweek 12 trip to the Emirates. Arsenal ran out 2-0 winners with Fonte dragging down Mertesacker for a late penalty, picking up a yellow card in the process. The incident took Fonte’s score down to zero, whilst earning Mertesacker an assist and two bonus for a score of 11. In total Mertesacker picked up 55 points in the nine weeks after I bought him. Fonte got a mere 10 in the same period.

The cynical amongst you will realise this is essentially just an excuse to brag about the one occasion last season where I made a good move. The more generous spirited elements of the community may interpret this as a valuable lesson in trusting fixtures over form (at least where defenders are concerned). I’d like to think it serves both purposes – personally I’ll be switching Nathaniel Clyne to a Swansea/West Ham defender in the hope of similar fortune to last season. I’ll also be losing Sadio Mane and Pelle for players with a little more blue on their season ticker. This may come back to haunt me but I’m crossing my fingers and hoping this is my Mertesacker moment for this year.

7 Shades of Smoke says…
Southampton are on fire right now. They’ve produced a quality goal scoring striker for around eight million, a decent midfielder for any price bracket, and go into the Gameweek 12 trip to Villa with an incredible seven clean sheets in their last ten after that 2-1 defeat at Anfield in the opening weekend of the season.

Those who’d booked tickets for Saints’ options early were handsomely rewarded, riding the strength of their fixtures all the way to Villa Park. A journey that’s been so good to so many Fantasy managers, they’d easily be forgiven for missing their stop.

Before the clouds draw in, let’s not forget that Saints are looking a quality side. They’ll score goals in tough games and the likes of Pelle and Tadic – who lie sixth and third respectively in the ICT index – will continue to be involved, though it seems reasonable to expect their opportunities to whither through the winter.
With plenty of other options coming into great form, fixtures, or better still; both, Fantasy managers may chose to give these options a stay of execution while the assess the likes of Wilfried Bony and Christian Benteke as mid-long term replacements.

In defence lies a critical decision, however. If we extrapolate Saints’ clean sheet form (70%) through to the season’s end, they’d pick up another 19 from the remaining 27 games.

To put that into perspective, the tightest defences of the past three seasons produced less for the whole campaign on average – Chelsea and Manchester City’s 18 in 2013/14 and 2012/13 respectively, and Manchester United’s 20 in 2011/12. Given that Southampton have bagged seven already, that additional 19 clean sheets projection now looks massively inflated, and a quick glance at the glorious vista through the rear window of the Saints bandwagon gives an inclination as to why (Saints’ last ten: WBA, whm, NEW, swa, QPR, tot, SUN, STO, hul, LEI). In contrast, the forecast for Saints’ next nine isn’t quite so bright (MCI, ars, MUN, bur, EVE, cpl, CHE, ARS, mun). With Chelsea offering deluxe packages to the promised land of clean sheet consistency, and Swansea and Aston Villa advertising fair weather trips for any budget, it seems that Villa Park could make an apt interchange for Fantasy managers planning defensive budgets for the journey ahead.

Spencer says…
I currently have three Southampton players; Bertrand, Clyne, and Pelle. I’ve had Clyne from the beginning, and when Pelle since Gameweek 5, and Bertrand in Gameweek 6. Pelle has been consistent for me, but with fixtures stiffening and cheaper options with more favourable fixtures becoming available (Diafra Sakho, Saido Berahino, maybe even Danny Ings), I think it’s time to ditch the big Italian.

The defence is not such an easy decision, however. Rightly or wrongly, I’ve experimented with a number of double-ups in defence this season (West Brom, Newcastle and Southampton), with the Saints pairing being the most successful by far.

My double Southampton defence feels like a Toyota Prius; reliable but just a bit dull. My current thinking is that I’m going to break up this pairing and go for something cheaper like a Peugeot 207, aware that every now and then it will break down, but knowing that with the money saved, I can get also get a slightly more exciting Volkswagen Golf. With a little bit of shopping around, I might even stumble on a GTI!

Mark says…
I’ve already nailed my colours to the mast here – shedding Bertrand somewhat prematurely in Gameweek 10 in order to fund an urgent move for Alexis Sanchez. Looking ahead, I knew I could turn to Calum Chambers in my 3-4-3 and that Bertand’s forthcoming fixures threatened to produce a run of 2-pointers.

I won’t be considering Southampton’s rearguard again until they’ve navigated through Gameweeks 13-15. If they show resilience through that spell, I may plan to invest again and I suspect I’ll still be able to pick up Toby Alderweireld for 5.0 should that be the case.

In attacking areas, my soft spot for Tadic could be my undoing. He’s one of those players you want to keep for the silky deft touches on Match of the Day and the huge Opta numbers he produces week on week. However, the big return of Gameweek 8 is a fading memory after three consecutive blanks, making the trip to Villa’s a big one for myself and other Tadic converts.

I still think he can offer value – there’s a cast of mid-price assets on show this season and, while Tadic is pricey by comparison, I’ve faith that, with set-piece duties and penalties, the Serb schemer can deliver points to warrant his price tag – even against stiff opposition.

Another blank at Villa might just change my mind. Fantasy football is fickle like that.

Applebonkers says…
First of all I really wish Ronald Koeman was my dad. He just seems so nice, so happy, so wise. However, can we trust someone who seems so perfect? Of course not, he’s definitely hiding something, that’s just how it works. The upcoming run of fixtures definitely has the potential to expose his bizarrely placed third nipple and his chronic flatulence problem.

I’m sure I’m not saying anything particularly interesting or enlightening here but those fixtures are filthy. They have showed enough signs that they will compete in these big games but I reckon this will be more in an attacking sense than defensively. This could still mean there is something in Clyne and Bertrand but are this pair really in the Leighton Baines and Seamus Coleman echelons of play anyway in case of attacking points? I think they’re still in the clean sheets are bread and butter camp.

I’d definitely let go of their centre backs but Frazer Forster is trickier due to save points and the “limpet-ablity” of goalkeepers, so I’m 50/50 there. That leaves the attacking players. Can they be relied on to keep it going like former stalwarts Le Tissier, Beattie and Dia? I don’t think any of them showed enough against Liverpool, West Ham, Swansea or Tottenham. Bank the price rises and hope for more of the same, especially from “statzilla” Tadic.

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  1. Bøwstring The Carp
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    11 years, 1 month ago

    Gerrard's supposedly signed a new contract? Thoughts?

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    1. Lallana_
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Good for him. Anfield is his home. Hopefully Rodgers has the balls to use him as a substitute instead of a starter in the future.

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      1. TeamSteam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, i agree. He belongs here, and after he turned down bigger offers at his peak (albeit not without controversy), and he still has value to the team and more so to the club as a leader/guider. But i fear that his time as an essential first team member has passed and we need to look on for replacement.

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        1. rickardinho
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          I foresee his role becoming similar to the one he played in Madrid... coming on as a 2nd half sub to open the game up when we're chasing a goal

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          1. TeamSteam
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Hopefully. He can still start and dictate games, but i look for more of a Giggs role, the way Ferguson utilized him at his later stages. Play 2-3 games a month, and be fully fit and focused to do his very best. He still has one of the best right feet in the league, but hes not really able to dominate in every climate anymore. Sad as it is, all good things come to an end. =/

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    2. TeamSteam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Source? Depends on the length and intentions from the club.

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    3. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Unlucky Liverpool.

      I think that's a big of a slip-up on their part.

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      1. TeamSteam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Wow. So clever. When are you performing at the Apollo?

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    4. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Clearly well past his best but could do a job now and again - a bit like Lampard at Man City currently. If he retains a starting place then I feel Liverpool are prioritising sentiment over sense.

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    5. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Not got much choice have they ?...By now Liverpool should have a replacement for him ready to go, but they don't, all they have is a couple of maybe's...

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      1. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        umm... Emre Can?

        Been a staple in Germany's youth sides right through u16 to u21's currently, including captain of alot of those sides. Still only 20 too

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        1. TeamSteam
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Hes still a bit of a "maybe". We dont really have a clear cut replacement for Gerrard. I agree that Can is promising and his latest performances have been very exiting.

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          1. rickardinho
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            I've watched a couple of his games for Germany u21's and he's always one of the best players on the pitch. Give him time and he could be our Matic or Khedira.

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            1. TeamSteam
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              I dont disagree that hes very exciting. But hes only 20, and not someone we can really rely on. What we really need is a Matic type. 24-25, established, consistent. Those are hard to come by, and when you find them they`re pretty sought after, which is why we have to find and develop our own gold.

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              1. rickardinho
                • 11 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                I think the Can signing for £9.75m was an absolute steal, and Bayern weren't too happy about the loophole in his contract that allowed him to be sold so cheaply. He'd easily cost twice that next summer, and will be one of those Matic types that everyone wants in a couple of seasons

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                1. TeamSteam
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Again, i dont disagree with you. Out of all the signings we`ve made this summer, he looks to be the best one in terms of value. That doesnt change the fact that hes not there YET. When Chelsea paid £25m for Matic, they knew what they had bought, and they got it straight away. And thats the whole point im trying to get across.

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                  1. rickardinho
                    • 11 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Yeah I get what you're saying, but perhaps that £20m holding midfielder is something to target next summer when Gerrard is winding down and Lucas is probably sold. It would have been far too disruptive to tackle that position this summer already when we already had 8-9 new faces.

                    If you consider the whole squad and which age/value profile the owners move away from, the players that will need replacing in the next 1-2 seasons will be:

                    GK: new 2nd GK
                    RB: Glen Johnson
                    CB: Skrtel/Toure... with Ilori probably
                    LB: Enrique
                    DM: Lucas (and eventually Gerrard)

                    In most if not all of the other positions there are young and rising players coming through, and I think the project of changing the demographics of the whole squad is only one or two transfer windows away from being complete.

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                    1. TeamSteam
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      We need some real star talent though. I know theres no such thing, but we need another Torres/Suarez. Someone to carry the team through the rough times, deciding games when the team is playing poor. Atm we dont have that. Possibly Sturridge, but hes too unreliable due to injuries.

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                      1. rickardinho
                        • 11 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        Yeah I agree. I think there's plenty more to come from Markovic, Coutinho, and Balotelli though. Origi will be a breath of fresh air for the team next year too. We severely lack that pace through the middle upfront this season with Sturridge out.

                        Remember how a lot of people were saying that Sterling should get loaned in January 12 months ago? The same could be said about Markovic... he looked really promising in preseason and in his cameo at the Etihad as well, so I think he'll come good once he gets settled and gets some fitness and gametime.

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        2. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          That's my point..he's only a maybe, or more likely a probable...but because he's been injured and still not really proven himself they still need Gerrard for a while..

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        3. Somalion
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          He's a maybe, pretty much only that. Currently I think Pool need a real replacement, they have gambled on "maybes" so much, sometimes it has worked and others it hasn't. I think a real strong buy in that area of the pitch will help Pool immensely.

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          1. rickardinho
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            How is a German youth star who Bayern/Leverkusen only sold because of a sneaky clause a maybe at best?

            What was Matic doing at age 20? Playing in the serbian league thats what. Some perspective please...

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            1. Somalion
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Now if you want the full skinny on the "star" quote, I will say that I watch the Bundesliga a good deal and I've seen him play frequently for Bayern. He's a fine player but my point is that he's not remotely up to say a Matic level etc. which I think Pool really need, a commanding force in the CM.

              As for the where was Matic part, pretty irrelevant. He was born there, Emre grew up in Germany so it mostly makes sense that he's playing for German teams. Second of all, Munich had a lovely little buy back clause which they didn't bother activating, strange seeing as they will gladly snap up ANY talent they can, even just to sell on for a higher profit. Finally I believe a former Munich Coach (will look for the actual link now as I can't remember his name) even went on record saying that Can was an okay player but nothing special for Liverpool.

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Not coach, former BL player (for Frankfurt)

                http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fjortoft-questions-liverpool-swoop-emre-can-4025510#.VGfuqfmsWSo

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              2. TeamSteam
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                The one with the quote that you are referring to was Jan Aage Fjortoft, a former german pro player commentating for norwegian television. Hes clueless, mind you. And afaik Bayern wanted to buy him back, but couldnt due to a loophole in his contract. And whoever plays regularly for a top 4 team in Germany at the age of 19 has something going for him, atleast thats my take on things.

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                1. Somalion
                  • 15 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  He's an alright journo as far as material I've ever read from him.

                  Obviously you have to be very able but the BL is not necessarily like the PL in any way, shape or form. Can was decent for Bayern, he has two feet and he did a fine job for them. What I am saying is that Pool are in a precarious point, they have to firmly re-establish themselves in the PL and CL. They can't afford to wait for him to come good, they need a big replacement in that CM region as well as letting Can develop.

                  As for the loophole, the info that I've had is that Bayern orchestrated a deal with a cheap buyback clause, they could have bought him back for nearly half of what Pool paid and they didn't. So I certainly question how desperate they were to have him if he is the next Matic.

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    And genuinely, this hasn't been me having a shot, he's a grand player. But Liverpool need to make a big push the coming couple of seasons, if they rely solely on him (especially given his propensity for picking up injuries in the PL) it will be a difficult task.

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                    1. TeamSteam
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      And yea, i think its going to be a grand task for Liverpool to restablish themselves into the top of the bpl regardless. I am however somewhat shocked that with all the players we signed this summer, we pretty much werent linked with a single central midfielder. The only conclusion i can take from this is that BR really believes in Gerrard`s abilities still.

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                  2. TeamSteam
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Bayer, not Bayern. Fjortoft is okay, hes opinionated atleast, but hes not very well respected and theres a reason for that.

                    I think the BL and the BPL are pretty equal in terms of gameplay, both leagues are high intensity and psysical? Im not actually that familiar with the majority of the BL, but this is my impression. I do agree that Liverpool need someone NOW, and not someone in 1-2 seasons or however long it takes Can/anyone else to develop.

                    Lastly, im not very informed about this loophole so i wont say what went down or not. In either way, not all clubs can pick up all talent. Its just the way things go, maybe Can is one of those that got away, maybe hes not. Only time will tell, and i think ive seen enough that im optimistic for the future.

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                    1. Somalion
                      • 15 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      Autocorrect, apologies.

                      Well he's a sports journo really, he has his biases etc. so there's always going to be those that either like or loathe him.

                      Different in many ways to be honest with you, from attitudes to styles etc. Remember as well that the BL is pretty much dominated by Munich now, it changes the perspective of things a lot. Furthermore, in terms of physicality, they are different. Look at Can as the prime example. If I am recalling correct, I only remember him picking up 1 injury in total last season while playing for Leverkusen. He's picked up a few more now in the PL.

                      Essentially this is the crux of my point, Can may or may not develop into a wonder player, I've never personally thought he would but I have been wrong before and will be wrong again I am sure however Liverpool need established talent, really established and experienced to control it all.

                      As for BR, well I have not always seen eye to eye with his transfer policy. I believe he felt it was a matter of personnel that was causing Liverpool to leak goals when it was actually the system (as well as Stevie unfortunately playing a role he is less suited to). I can't say if he'll remedy it or not, it would be nice if he did.

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                      1. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        I have no particular bias towards Fjortoft, hes just pretty meh to me.

                        Okay, like i said i dont watch too much BL apart from the CL appearances. I dont necessarily think Can`s very injury prone. None of the injuries hes had so far have occured in game, if im correct. Training injuries and on international duty?

                        I do agree with you on the point that we need quality right now, and not in 1-2-3 years. This is however the way BR likes to work, he wants to develop rather than buy the end product, which actually kind of synergizes with the state of LFC at the moment. As a club that cant really attract the top, top players both from a sporting perspective and wage-wise, buying young/cheap and developing is the way to go for teams like us. This summer we didnt really buy cheap, however, and again, im surprised we never looked at signing established cdm. It would appear BR is having real troubles with the defensive structuring. There were times in his first season at Liverpool where we were REALLY solid at the back. Believe we finished 2nd or tied 1st for clean sheets that season.

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                      2. rickardinho
                        • 11 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        I agree with what most of both of you have said, some really great points from both of you.

                        Where I think I differ is that big money had to be spent on a DM. This is a team that is evolving and growing together, and buying a new DM who would want to play every game wouldn't work because Gerrard is still playing.

                        As I said above I do think the DM position is one that will be dealt with next summer though when Lucas is likely sold, and with Gerrard taking a slightly less dominant role in the squad.

                        I'm of the opinion that the team needs time. Thought I have to say the defensive frailties are starting to become a worry. Sakho, Skrtel, Lovren, Toure, etc, are all top quality CB's, but when they play for us they suddenly become pub-league quality. After cycling through those aforementioned 4 along with Coates, Agger, Carragher, etc, and consistently saying the errors are down to individuals, I'm starting to think that its BR's system thats the problem, not the players.

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    6. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      brilliant. Keep him at the club even after he retires. Legend.

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    7. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Rickie needs a mate on the bench 😉

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  2. ZTF
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Captain Costa or Aguero?

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    1. TeamSteam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Surely youre not asking this.

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      1. ZTF
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        what?

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      2. Les Bleus
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Is it a straight forward choice? If so, I'd like to know which one 😉

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        1. TeamSteam
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Uhm, Aguero? All day every day for the rest of my life?

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          1. ZTF
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Costa due one tho mate? the poll is just in favour of Costa

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            1. TeamSteam
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Who cares about polls. City at home scores 3-4+ in 90% of matches, you cant ever say that about Chelsea under Mourinho. Aguero is just vastly superior to Costa, in ability and fpl terms. For me theres no way i would ever consider anyone else than Aguero this gw, if i could have anyone.

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              1. Dr Dream
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Mourinho's tactic of parking the bus at 1-0 or 2-0 is getting worse imo ...They are capable of regular 4-0 or 5-0 drubbings but they don't look like handing many out.

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                1. TeamSteam
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Ofcourse they are capable of beating teams by quite the margin and playing attacking, entertaining football. All it takes is one glance at their teamsheet and youd find 4-5 world class players and the rest are VERY good also. Mourinho just thrives in controlled wins with very little risk. I personally hate this approach to football, but how can you ever argue with what hes accomplished.

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                  1. Dr Dream
                    • 13 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    You can't..it's absolutely the way to do it. A lot of manager's could do to follow his lead.

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                    1. TeamSteam
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      I disagree. I think the game of football is meant to entertain, and i like to watch teams that try and attack and entertain. Like i said, i dont approve of his methods, but hes accomplished more than almost anyone. And while i dislike his ways, the most important thing about a game of football is to actually win the game.

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                      1. Dr Dream
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        From a fans point of view for certain. It's when you see the likes of Liverpool against Palace last season and Arsenal in the CL this season that, from a managers point of view, they need to look to Mourinho's tactics a bit more. No good for us though.

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                    2. Get up ya bum
                      • 16 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      this. Nothing wrong with the defensive approach. Some of my favourite recent games were the mourinho v benitez tactical battles. Different kind of exciting.

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                      1. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        I too can find excitement in defensive games. Like, the best game i think i saw all of last season was Chelsea`s 1-0 victory over City at the Ethihad. I think that was the most flawless single game performance in Europe all over. But from a somewhat neutral point of view (but not really though), i`d much rather watch a 3-3 frenzy than the zzzzzzzzz Mourinho football. However im pretty sure every fan would be happy if Mourinho coached the team you support, just because you know hes just great. You know hes just going to deliver, always.

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                      2. Get up ya bum
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        yes but maybe more of the blame for a boring chelsea game should be directed at the opposition. After all if they can counter chelsea's tactics the game wouldn't be boring.

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                      3. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        The only way to counter a tactic that involves keeping everyone back and never attacking with more than 2 or 3 people is to do the exact same thing yourself.

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        2. ZTF
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          aye me too!

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Just pick one.

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    2. Lallana_
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Aguero hands down

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    3. TorresMagic™
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Let Aguero get through his midweek game first.

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    4. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Either

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    5. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Both good calls.

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    6. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Both are good choices...no real stand out option

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  3. ZTF
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Chelsea home v Brom. Poll in Costa favour. ATM currently on Kun though. Not decided. Its such a hard choice

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    1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Tough call...Aguero has form, Costa will be fresh and rested

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    2. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      The poll favours Costa because more people own him

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  4. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    sigh. Bottomed and i can't copy and paste. I hate this phone

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    1. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Don't worry, you got a good amount of replies for a bottom of the page post 😉

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    2. Black Knights
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      CHAMP - BEACHED AZ
      re. diving, i'm perfectly fine with it. I reckon it's a bit of an artform. I'm also a fan of the hand of god/frog. If you can pull off the perfect illusion under the gaze of of the ref and his assistants well played i say. If they position themselves right and catch you out and card you well played to them.
      It's the acting like they've been shot that i can't stand.

      There you go mate. It can live on here.

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      1. BeachBadger
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        I think you should put that back where it came from 😆

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        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          😆

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      2. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        thankyou 😀

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      3. TeamSteam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Why would you ever repost that shameful statement.

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        1. Black Knights
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          All debate isn't it. We need something besides who to captain out of Aguero and Costa, how long Baines will be out, and who our Saints replacements will be.

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          1. TeamSteam
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            While i agree with debate beeing useful, i dont think "diving is an artform and i respect it and it has its place in football" is a very good place to start. Because its so blatantly clear that hes wrong.

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            1. Captain Shirokov
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              He's wrong, I'm right. Lalalalalalalalala

              *sticks fingers in ears*

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              1. TeamSteam
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Yes. On this subject there can be no debate.

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              2. TeamSteam
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                And you better stop those Q-tips before they hit something in there, if im not already too late.

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              3. Get up ya bum
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                😆 this!
                Btw bingo my point of view is actually a lot more popular in different parts of the world like australia and south america than it is in england. Do our opinions just not matter as much as yours?

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                1. TeamSteam
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  All opinions matter equally, im not above the rest of you in that regard. But the fact that anyone thinks diving has its place in the game of football are wrong. Theres just not if ands or buts about that.

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                  1. Alan The Llama
                    • 16 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Don't ever go to South America. Drawing a foul, or even diving to win one, is seen as an art among forwards.

                    I understand that you don't like cheating, but everyone cheats. Claiming a ball hit an opponent and that it's your throw-in is cheating.

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                    1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                      • 14 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      Ohhhh so that's why Suarez is a god among South American men

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                      1. Alan The Llama
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        Neymar too. Had a massive reputation for diving when he was younger.

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                      2. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        I know its part of their culture there. You dont think theres a reason why every player coming to top european clubs with those ways are beeing forced to remove their habits?

                        Just because everyone cheats, doesnt mean you should like it or ever accept it. I dont cheat. So i cant relate to cheating and wont ever condone it.

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                      3. Alan The Llama
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        So you would admit a ball hit your hand in the penalty area when the ref didn't see it? In a competitive match where you maybe dislike your opponents?

                        I'd be surprised if anyone would.

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                      4. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        Ofcourse i wouldnt. Thats not cheating if it was by accident. The cheating im talking about is actively trying to decieve the officials by plain swindle.

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                      5. Alan The Llama
                        • 16 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        So perhaps your opponents are claiming you did and your hands were in an "unnatural" position at the time. Are you going to deny to a referee who is clearly undecided that it hit your hand?

                        If you did, you're lying to deceive the ref. Ergo cheating. It's not as black and white as you seem to be suggesting.

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                      6. TeamSteam
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        Lol, youre deviating from the original discussion so much with your fancy psycology. If that situation were to ever arise, and id actually get into a longer talk with the ref, more likely than not would i not admit that the ball actually hit my hand simply because i didnt trust him to actually believe that i didnt do it intentionally.

                        Diving is pretty black and white. Thats cheating. I cant really see what youre going to say to make me ever change my mind on that.

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                2. 32chickens
                  • 15 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  yes suppose there is cultural base and a colonial hegemony-(i can remeber back to my social history of football...)
                  australia and south america do favour we'll win whatever way..is that what you are suggesting
                  I just hink taking the wiss out of the referee,the paying public and your opposition isn't in the spirit of a sport and belongs in capitalist business structures exploiting capital
                  football has become a c business where cheating is applauded cos it wins!!!
                  woowoowooowoowow

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                  1. TeamSteam
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Have you actually smoked 32 chickens? Time for you to go to bed. None of that made any sense.

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                    1. 32chickens
                      • 15 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      yes completely agree psychobingo ,for the record,had a lovely snooze on couch....

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        2. Black Knights
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Ah, if I'd noticed you were being difficult with everyone I wouldn't have bothered replying.

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          1. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            🙂

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          2. TeamSteam
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            So beeing critical is beeing difficult? I see. So much for your attempts of debate then. Debates are usually just easily won by one of the parties.

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            1. Black Knights
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              The guy didn't want to be at the bottom of the last page. We've all been there, so I helped him out. I meant I wouldn't have wasted my time explaining my actions if id noticed you being critical/difficult to everyone. I fear I'm probably wasting my time now too though!

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              1. TeamSteam
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Again, beeing critical is beeing difficult and thus illegal in a debate? Great news, back over to you Jeff. I`ll try to be more sunflowery in my next campaign.

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                1. Black Knights
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Nah do what you want. All I am repeatedly saying is that I don't want to waste my time engaging. But I am, so what do I know! 🙂

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  5. Lallana_
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Beauty of owning Suarez was that he wasn't that injury prone. We got to deal with Costa, Aguero and Sturridge this season! 😮

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    1. Guidinho
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      He came with other associated risks mind you!

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  6. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    I have 3 players I want out of my team(Albrighton, Chester, Berahino) but only 2 FT...help me out if you will...

    Berahino ⇒ Eto'o ??
    Chester ⇒ Newcastle defender?
    Albrighton ⇒ Boyd?

    Not sure what I should use my transfers on :/

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    1. Black Knights
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Sakho, Boyd, Coloccini?

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      1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Is Sahko really a good pick though?, I thought he played out wide and also Carroll is fit again

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        1. Black Knights
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          He could've kept up his scoring run v Villa. Scored in every other game, they'd be mad to drop him for long ball donkey Carroll any time soon.

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          1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            True...I just worry that he won't always be the one scoring since he's being pushed out wide

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            1. Black Knights
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Has that happened? I don't think it started that way v Villa, but I'm not too sure. I think it might've been just at the end when he threw on all the forwards maybe, same as downing going wide left.

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              1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Ah ok, I see. Thanks for the replies man, really appreciate it

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                1. Black Knights
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Don't quote me on him starting centrally as I only saw motd. That's just me as a hopeful owner. No worries bud, good luck whatever you go with.

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                  1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                    • 14 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Oh na I'm not gonna hold you to that or anything, but it is a good point that it could have been a tactical shift out wide to accommodate all three forwards

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    2. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      keep the first player-can you afford to do this and do the other 2 trades?

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      1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah I can afford that....such dull transfers though lol...

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        1. 32chickens
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          i just think there is more to come from the youngster and I'm unsure about eto for a hit

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          1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            I'm not gonna take a hit, just wasn't sure which 2 transfers to do. I like Berahino, but him playing wide and Anichibe being the focal point worries me.(also the unrest coming from Ideye)

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            1. 32chickens
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              ok -I don't personally fancy either of the other baggies
              if you're determined to ship out berahino-can you get in austin-he looks very handy...

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              1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                I could get Austin...still debating if they hype is worth it, I have a feeling its too good to be true

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                1. 32chickens
                  • 15 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  rickydhinho is very keen I know-he'll convince you
                  I hold sakho and have done for some time tho if I was buying a fresh now of the 2 I would take austin

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                  1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                    • 14 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Iol but idk if I want to be persuaded

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    3. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Albrighton can wait since I assume he's a bench fodder?

      Berahino and Chester out seem good.

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      1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        I worry that he'll drop in price more...and who knows when I'll next have the luxury of using a transfer to sort my bench...Christmas season is close and that is where bench players are crucial

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        1. Les Bleus
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Fair enough. In that case I'd ship out Berahino if you don't want him.

          Otherwise Chester out and keep the FT.

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          1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Thanks man

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    4. BeachBadger
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      None of these look like important transfers. I would one do 1 of these and save your other FT

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      1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks , good advice. They're not necessary transfers but I just wanted to start getting the bench ready for the Christmas season

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    5. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Thanks for all the replies everyone, appreciate your feedback because you didn't have to respond

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      1. Black Knights
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Respect.

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  7. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    @Champ...I hate to see somebody disappointed when the get bottomed...

    re. diving, i'm perfectly fine with it. I reckon it's a bit of an artform. I'm also a fan of the hand of god/frog. If you can pull off the perfect illusion under the gaze of of the ref and his assistants well played i say. If they position themselves right and catch you out and card you well played to them.
    It's the acting like they've been shot that i can't stand.

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    1. Black Knights
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Ha oh my we're all doing it. Let's get it on every page! 🙂

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    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3HnU0HOhk 😆

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  8. ZTF
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Lloris
    Janmaat Bertrand Dummett
    Haz Siggy Chadli Sanchez
    Aguero {c} Costa Pelle

    Gilks Wisdom McShane Cattermole

    Made transfers this week.
    Next week need Lloris out. Also that'll bring in funds to stop double Newcastle defence.
    Except that, any changes?

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    1. Black Knights
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Your next two transfers after this week will be Lloris and Newc def? You're keeping the Saints lads then?

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      1. ZTF
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Aye why not? You suggest what? Pelle out or Bertrand? Lloris needs to go?

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        1. Black Knights
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Seems like everyone is seling Saints asap, so I thought I'd raise the obvious in case you'd overlooked it. That's all.

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  9. Ser Football 42
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    For those who still have Ivan, are you keeping?

    waiting for baines to get better to sell?

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    1. TeamSteam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      If you have kept him you might as well keep him for the fixtures coming up

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    2. Guidinho
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Keeping, think he is due a couple of big scores.

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  10. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    love your work wakey 😀
    Keep em coming fellas 😉

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    1. Black Knights
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Psychobingo will repost it on the next page for you.

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      1. TeamSteam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Thought you wereny going to waste your time on me. You pathetic loser you.

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  11. grooveymatt65
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Ladies and gentlemen my team is

    Fabianski /Given
    Baines/Chambers/Clyne Wisdom/Duff
    ADM/Downing/Siggy/Sanchez Poyet
    Costa/Aguero/Pelle

    0.1 itb 1,244 overall... any pressing transfers you think guys?! I have no transfers saved at all.

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      http://www.laughroulette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MEMES-cat-stares-into-box-interesting.jpg

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    2. Lallana_
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      You almost have the exact same team as mine. Defence is slightly different. You're good to go.

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      1. grooveymatt65
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks man!!! 🙂

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    3. Ziegler1988
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Get rid of Poyet

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  12. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Are people saying the pig dived?

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      His hind hoof was caught in fairness

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      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        *trotter 🙂

        Definite penalty though

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    2. TeamSteam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      He did.

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      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        bollocks he did, he was clearly hacked down.

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        1. TeamSteam
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          LOL. Hacked down. Yeah, right. Watch it again without the red tinted glasses and get back to me. You think he was walled down v City too, when he dove that time?

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          1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            You are a knob end, have you seen my grav? Red tinted glasses?

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            1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Well this escalated quickly...

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            2. TeamSteam
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Great argument, now youve really won me over.

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              1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Here's the argument. I am a Leeds fan. I do not support man Utd. I do not like Wayne Rooney. I do not support the England fooball team.

                Maybe skysports can spell it out for you "PENALTY TO ENGLAND! Bostjan Cesar clips Wayne Rooney and referee Olegario Benquerenca points to the spot".

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                1. TeamSteam
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Better. Still, no.

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    3. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      No he was butchered

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    4. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      He was caught and then made no attempt to stay on his feet. But who does? All that means is you lose the ball AND any hope of a penalty. Then you get roasted by your team mates and the coach. Get real people

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  13. grooveymatt65
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Ladies and gentlemen my team is 

    Fabianski /Given
    Baines/Chambers/Clyne Wisdom/Duff
    ADM/Downing/Siggy/Sanchez Poyet
    Costa/Aguero/Pelle

    0.1 itb 1,244 overall... any pressing transfers you think guys?! I have no transfers saved at all. Thanks guys!!!

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Looks good.

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    2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      I'm sorry say it again... didn't see it the first time

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  14. 2 goals 1 cup
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    So Baines has a grade 1 hamstring injury which I've read takes 1-3 weeks to heal, but from the sounds of it with the type of care he will have and as the reports suggest he might make next weekends game.

    Now does anyone know if this kind of injury is a precursor to further injury, either immediately or further down the line? Or is it likely that he will recover and then just crack on as before?

    Obviously everyone is different and it's impossible to tell for sure, but if anyone has anymore info it would be good know, I'm on a WC so wanna get things right!

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    1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Keep Baines. the end.

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      1. Ludo
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        On a WC though?

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        1. Fabreghastly
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Replacing with a place holder, Colman/Ivan, is an option then.

          If you lose him to upgrade a mid it's major surgery to get him back... and no WC

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        2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah I'd keep him still....he'll probably miss one game at the most if at all

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          1. 2 goals 1 cup
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            I wouldn't actually be keeping as I haven't owned him yet. I know that may sound crazy but currently sitting at 4.5k so not doing too badly.

            But yeah a placeholder sounds wise, or theoretically after using my wildcard I should be able to build up two transfers which would enable a swap from something like Azpi and Jags to Baines and a cheaper def.

            As long as this kind of injury doesn't have a history of repeating itself I definitely want him in, whether it's this gw or next.

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            1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
              • 14 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Oh I thought you had Baines already and was on your WC and debating if you should ship him or not...

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              1. 2 goals 1 cup
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Nope, sorry should have mentioned that initially!

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                1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                  • 14 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Then a placeholder is fine...you don't really have much to worry about to be honest. Wait for press conferences and get him in if he's fit

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            2. Ludo
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              I'm in the same boat BTW, haven't owned Baines so far, on my WC. Current plan is to use Ivanovic as my placeholder.

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              1. 2 goals 1 cup
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Yeah I think that's probably what I'll do, it's just dangerous when you start looking at what you can do with the extra funds if you swap him for someone like Azpi. I'm a little tempted by this...

                Krul Elliot
                Azpi Jags Dummet Duff Yun
                Sanchez Sterling Sigs Hazard Boyd
                Aguero Costa Sakho

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      2. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, thats what im doing. Even if it means playing Wisdom at Chelsea.

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  15. Gnu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    @AtleticoTimbo.
    Thanks for link, didn't ever think to do a search on 'The Peel Sessions'. Reckon I'll be burning midnight oil catching up on lost & forgotten bands.
    Been listening to King Creosote this evening but now down memory lane with Killing Joke.

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    1. A.T
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      I just did it on the off chance. Now for a bit of half man half biscuit 😀

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      1. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        😆
        One of my favourite band names.
        Personally thought they were rotten. 🙂
        Discovered some great bands on his show as well hearing classics like JoyD's Atmosphere & Cures 'Forest' for the first time.

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          John Peel is one of the greatest giants of British Culture. A wonderful man.

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  16. Captain Shirokov
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Hopefully they add in something like 'successful dives' in FPL which either give points directly or help towards getting bonus points.

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    1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Its already there...."assists for penalties "

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        True. Do they give points or whatever for fks won too?

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        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Only if fk goes in. No BPS for being fouled.

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          1. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            unless same player

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          2. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            should be added in then

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        2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Yep...if they're scored, it counts as an assist

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  17. Lallana_
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Jesse Pinkman is too good 😛

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbItFF-vjCQ

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    1. rickardinho
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      I miss Breaking Bad ;(

      Looking forward to the spin-off series Better Caul Saul.. hopefully his character is as good as in BB 😛

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    2. TeamSteam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      He`s exellent!

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    3. Sleep Talk
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uty2zd7qizA

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      1. Lallana_
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        wtf did I just watch? haha

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        1. Sleep Talk
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Great or what?! 😀

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  18. rickardinho
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Does anyone know how long Ron Vlaar will be out? Can't find any information on it beyond Hiddink saying that its a calf strain that's unrelated to his previous injuries.

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
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      No idea. Watching the last few minutes of Sweden game. Want to see how unlucky they were.

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      1. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
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        Let me know what you think, I'm curious to know what a neutrals opinion on it is. 🙂

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Defender is fouled, plain and simple. Would he have intercepted the cross, hard to tell. Was he given a chance, no.

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          1. TorresMagic™
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            • 16 Years
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            Attacker fouled defender with no intention of going for the ball.

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          2. rickardinho
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Sure, he was nudged, but not every nudge in the box is a foul, and I doubt he would have gotten to that header in any case.

            It might have been a foul, but the issue I have is mainly due to consistency. The referee set a relatively high standard for fouls in the game in general, so it seemed awfully petty from the referee to call that a foul after letting so many other incidents slide.

            Anyways, a point away isn't the end of the world, but a win would have pretty much effectively eliminated Montenegro and secured at least 3rd place for Sweden. Onwards.

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            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Referee blew it before it reached attacker for goal. Think your blue and yellow glasses are in the way.

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              1. rickardinho
                • 11 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                haha, quite possibly.

                So unlucky anyways. Zlatan hit the post minutes before the penalty :/

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    2. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2834008/Ron-Vlaar-s-calf-injury-not-problem-haunted-past-confirms-Holland-manager-Guus-Hiddink.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
      Can't find much -my impression is he won't be seen again as he's wanting out in january

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      1. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        cheers mate

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  19. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
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    Just to pick up on what Psychobingo replied above....an anecdote....

    My son is a tidy player and no doubt..he plays in the West Lancs prem league who have a good track record for youth players turning pro. By some quirk when they play cup games they get thrown in with the Merseyside youth teams as well as West Lancs...I can't even begin to tell you how much better some of those teams are..scary stuff at times...and yes, I can see that Liverpool may well uncover their own gold to replace Gerrard.

    Just saying...

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    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
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      Its worth pointing out that Steven Gerrard considered Stephen McPhail to be a far better player than him when he was younger and Gerrard did not make the trials for Lilleshall

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        I think that was mainly due to his size

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        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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          Oh sorry I was not sure what age his son was . I presumed he would be fairly young where size would be a disadvantage

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            I just meant that Gerrard was tiny till well into his teens. Him and Owen were the same size for most of their youth careers i think

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            1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
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              Ah alright sorry . that is fairly mad when you think how small Owen is .

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    2. rickardinho
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Jordan Rossiter

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Who knows, maybe....all I know is some of those teams my son has played against are seriously good. Maybe it's a lot to do with the absolute obsession with footy in Liverpool, it's an eye opener for sure.

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        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 15 Years
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          Now to answer the real question Why can't England win the World Cup

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          1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
            • 15 Years
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            ?

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          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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            • 16 Years
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            Because they have now, and will continue to have, a crap manager.

            Secondly, they will not pick a player, or enough players, with true tackling ability.

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            1. Dr Dream
              • 13 Years
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              I have no idea what happens between the ages of 14-20, but from my experience it can't possibly be for lack of raw talent...probably what you say Doosra..bad management, one way or another.

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            2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
              • 15 Years
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              What about Capello ?

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          3. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
            • 14 Years
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            They're not good enough? Good players but still come up a little short in the end I guess

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          4. HVT
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            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Because all the top teams import,
            Architects of yere own downfall imo

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            1. rickardinho
              • 11 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Sterling is originally Jamaican, and Welbeck's ancestors are originally from Ghana I believe. Jagielka is Polish...

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          5. rickardinho
            • 11 Years
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            It has to do with psychology. England players play with fear. They'd rather keep their head down rather than have their name splashed around the aggressive media

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          6. Mull
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            • 14 Years
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            Because players would rather sit on the bench or stay in the reserves and pick up a pay check than go abroad like other foreign players and improve as a player. How many English players don't play in England?

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            1. rickardinho
              • 11 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Those foreign players follow the money too. Salaries being equal I'm sure many of them would play in Italy or Spain or Brazil etc otherwise

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            2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
              • 14 Years
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              This....and all young English players are thrown into the mix too quickly. England team is a popularity contest it seems

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
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                Such an important factor that is often overlooked. The beginning of Bojan's downfall was being called up to the Spanish team so young, panic attacks hit him badly.

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                  • 14 Years
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                  Townsend, Barkley, Sterling, Welbeck, Wilshere...put too much pressure on them...even Sturridge.

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
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                    Aye, always looking for the next hero really.

                    Young Raheem seems a great example, heaps of pressure on that lad.

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                      • 14 Years
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                      Exactly....at that age, you're lucky to get the final 5 minutes of a game in other national teams

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                      1. Somalion
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        The long term effects are very serious as well. Look at Rooney, wonderkid at 16, spoiled prat now.

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                      2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        I think Michael Owen played alot of football very early too

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                      3. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                        • 15 Years
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                        I know injuries finished but I doubt it helped

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                      4. Somalion
                        • 15 Years
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                        I think you're absolutely right, in fact I believe Fergie said at the time he was playing far too much football for his age.

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        2. rickardinho
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          I've kept quite a close eye on Liverpool's youth team in the last year, and I have to say there's an incredible amount of talent there.

          Connor Randall, Jordan Williams, Brad Smith (already played for Australia I think), Chirivella, Ojo, Brannagan, Teixeira (on loan at Brighton where he's scoring goals last I checked), Harry Wilson, Samed Yesil, Jack Dunn, Ryan Kent, Jordan Lussey, Jordan Ibe, etc

          Obviously hard to see many breaking through, but the quality in the academy/reserves/loanees is as good as its been in years

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          1. HVT
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            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Lol

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          2. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
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            I've probably been watching the next batch. It's all very serious stuff as well.

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          3. Somalion
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            15 appearances for Teixeira, 1 goal. Ibe has a bit in him, potentially.

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            1. rickardinho
              • 11 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              its 2 in 13 accordingly to wikipedia. Admittedly I only saw his performances in his first 3-4 games when he went there, and he had 2 goals and a couple of nice assists in those. Not surehow he's done in the last 6-8 weeks though

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              1. Somalion
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                These tend to be much more accurate.

                http://www.transfermarkt.com/joao-carlos-teixeira/leistungsdaten/spieler/132214

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                1. rickardinho
                  • 11 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  You're absolutely right. Typing "Teixeira wiki" into google is so much easier though 😛

                  Nice to see that he's getting regular starts in any case, that can only be a good thing for Liverpool (even if Brighton are in 17th! :P)

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                  1. Somalion
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Don't I know 😉

                    Aye, first team play is vitally important. Pool are at a very interesting point now, at least for someone like me who enjoys delving into the business aspect of it all and the politics as well as the tactics of the football. The real youth force out there at the moment in the PL, if I am correct, are Manchester City. They have some terrifyingly good youngsters.

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                    1. rickardinho
                      • 11 Years
                      11 years, 1 month ago

                      Yeah I've heard that too, but I have less respect for them because none of those youngsters ever get a look-in in their first team squad.

                      Need a striker? Here's £20m for Jovetic. Need a fullback? Sign Clichy. Need a DM, sign the Nando' twins. Never, ever look to the academy.

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                      1. Somalion
                        • 15 Years
                        11 years, 1 month ago

                        It is, sadly, a business model that is quite successful. I don't agree with it but it is how football has gone/is going more and more. All the top teams commit these errors frequently, some worse than others.

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    3. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      nice post wakey. I love that these guys get every chance to prove themselves at liverpool too. Nothing better than having players in the first team that live and breathe liverpool.

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Three of my son's team got scouted by Everton to go for a look see at some training thing or other...one Defender one mid and one fwd..they all came back with their tails between their legs, they hardly got a kick...

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        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          awesome mate. Gotta be damn good just to get a look in. You must be very proud

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  20. Lallana_
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Damn Yarmolenko's finishing today was top-class. Great hat-trick.

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    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Where was it in Euro 200andwhatever when I had him in my fantasy team ?

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  21. HVT
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    • 15 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Coola boola.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Rola bola

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    2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTgAhTJqtzQ

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  22. HVT
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    • 15 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Have we ever had anyone famous post on here?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      A few have but they want their identity hidden.

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      1. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Can you give us a hint?

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      2. Arvin-ation
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        ðŸ™

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      3. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Are you Torres?... 😯

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    2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      There was Mandzukic but I think he went by the name Forca or something...

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    3. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      RBJ was Morgan Freeman.

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    4. Gnu
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      DBRonaldo was actually Felicity Kendall, True.

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Dat guy...

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      2. RoysCallerAnne
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        • 15 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Ah! DBRonaldo 🙂

        Love him or hate him, that guy was pretty smart. He knew how to half troll/ half be serious at the same time. Very intelligent, imo. When it got down to the crux he knew how to fight his corner.

        I once saw him fight off 6 posters at once who had disagreed with him.

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        1. Gnu
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          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Him & RBJ going H2H was hilarious but at the same time painful.

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          1. RoysCallerAnne
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            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            RBJ was also a smart guy. The massive anger issues just let him down 🙂

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            1. Gnu
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              • 16 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              I posted the RoysBrotherHolloway thread a few months back, have you seen it?

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              1. RoysCallerAnne
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                • 15 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Yes I have. It bordered on internet bullying, imo. Didn't find it funny at all.

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                1. Gnu
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                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  It usually was but that thread was funny as it was aimed at RBJ.

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              2. Mull
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                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                It's one of the funniest things I've read on here. Shame we can't see it with the gravs and names they had at the time though.

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                1. Gnu
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  The important grav hasn't changed Mull.
                  Once more for old times sake.
                  http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2011/04/26/sturridge-doubt-for-craven-cottage-trip/?hc_page=1#hc_comment_662066

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                  1. RoysCallerAnne
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    That thread IS funny. But I remember that JamsieP/ Tommy clique on here.

                    A silly public schoolboy arrogant clique that I'm glad have gone.

                    RBJ, love him or hate him, was a man of the people. Angry so-and-so, no doubt but I'd have him at my dinner party every day of the week than an over privileged schoolboy OIK that will have everything work out for him because daddy got him into a good school.

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                  2. Gnu
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                    • 16 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    In the thread below, AB refers to what a week that was with Holloway- gate & lemon party-gate. Jeez that was funny.

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          • 16 Years
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          Definitely

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    5. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Must be dozens...

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      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Probably a fair few among us now. Torresmagic? 🙂

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    6. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Well, HVT, you'll appreciate this 😉
      Back in the day I snogged Amanda Byram .. hope that counts 😉

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      1. Cookie Thumper
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Oh nice one. Get in her bra?

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        1. Alan The Llama
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Lol, cut to the chase.

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          1. RoysCallerAnne
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            He's right to 😆

            No ðŸ™

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            1. Alan The Llama
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              She's not really my type, but she was a bit of a hotty. Well done, RCA.

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              1. RoysCallerAnne
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Cheers, lol. We were 17 and she wasn't throwing too much action out at the time. 'twas a grand coup at the time 🙂 the lads were well jell.

                24 years ago ðŸ™

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                1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
                  • 14 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Well you just dated yourself...

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      2. Cookie Thumper
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Just googled her. Says she turned gay after a terrible experience with a boy at school. His hands were everywhere she says.

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        1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          😆

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        2. RoysCallerAnne
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          • 15 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          excellent! 😆

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  23. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    nah the mentality is the same at any level so couldn't put it down to corporate model of football. And it's not just about winning at any cost either though that is probably part of it. We just honestly grow up thinking of it as a skill, an artform and fun. Even as a low level ref i loved the challenge of trying to pick out a dive and respected one done very well.
    Btw i'm not speaking for every aussie or south american. This can be controversial anywhere. Definiely a lot less uptight about it overall though.

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    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      reply fail to 32 chickens

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      1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
        • 14 Years
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        You talk to animals?? Eliza Thornberry is that you?

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        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
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          only 32 at a time otherwise it's just too civil for my liking

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          1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah 33 or more is foul

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          2. rickardinho
            • 11 Years
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            😀

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  24. Birds of Prey
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Can somebody who knows Newcastle well tell me if S Taylor is gonna be back in Line-up or will it be Haidara? Thx

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    1. rickardinho
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Its anyone's guess really. Personally I would only choose Krul, Colo, or Janmaat from their defense as everyone else is a rotation risk. If you want a nailed-on cheapie then Wisdom is the one to get.

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  25. Cookie Thumper
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Roy Aitkens dad was also from West Indies.

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    1. Gnu
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Jim Aitken 😆

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      1. Cookie Thumper
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Oh you know him.

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        1. Gnu
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          😉
          Sorry, did I steal your thunder?

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          1. Cookie Thumper
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            I think it is lost on everyone anyway. We can have a private chuckle at least. 🙂

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        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Is this a Jamaican pun?

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  26. rickardinho
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Regarding Vlaar:

    1. How long is he injured for?
    2. How valid are the United transfer rumours?
    3. Would he be a decent fantasy prospect if he went there?

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    1. Wouter
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      1. No clue, but he didn't look happy and was swearing when he came off.
      2. Could be so, United need a new defender and he was the one that kept the Dutch defence together under LVG.
      3. Not necessarily him but I think it would definitely make Shaw or Rafael more attractive.

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      1. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        I don't think much is going to make Shaw more attractive, apart from maybe laying of the cheeseburgers 😉

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    2. Nickofoz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      1. Not sure
      2. It seems inevitable that he will leave Villa, whether it be Arsenal or United. United seems more likely.
      3. Although he is cheap, I still don't see United getting many clean sheets. I personally don't rate Vlaar that highly so no.

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    3. rickardinho
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Cheers guys. Some great points to consider.

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    4. Nickofoz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      I guess another thing to consider is he looked very good at the WC under LVG when he played 3 at the back. We all know how well that worked at United...

      To be honest I don't think he really suits the Premier League.

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    5. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      1. No idea

      2. Nonsense, I hope. van Gaal isn't stupid enough to buy that overrated piece of shite, we've already got 4 mediocre centre backs, we don't need another.
      All the top sides have a genuine leader at the back, but United don't, so if van Gaal doesn't get in a top centre half soon we won't compete for a long time, I've had just about enough of Jones, Smalling and Evans picking up an injury every time their phone vibrates or something silly like that, sort it out ffs.

      3. No

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      1. rickardinho
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        CB's don't need to be expensive and come with a "world class" tagline to be effective though.

        If Vlaar worked well for Holland in LVG's system (statistically he was one of the best CB's at the WC in fact) then I'm sure he'd be a good choice, at least in the medium term. He's certainly an upgrade on Jones, Evans, Smalling, McNair, etc in any case, and his familiarity with the 343 as well as 442/433 would be an asset to LVG no doubt.

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  27. OptimusBlack
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    any News on FAB , Baines and Begovic ?

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  28. Parm
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Hi

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      • 14 Years
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      Hi

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  29. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    anyway i'm off. Thankyou all for contributing to an interesting debate, especially psychobingo who insisted there couldn't be one 😛

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    1. Parm
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Bye

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  30. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00910/Ian_Holloway_682x40_910144a.jpg
    @Gnu I was in tears laughing when someone posted this photo.

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    1. Gnu
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      😆
      Nearly in tears now remembering back to that. Brilliant.

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