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Breaking into the top 10,000 in the Fantasy Premier League this season is seemingly tougher than ever. But has this always been the case or is this season an exception? This analysis will look in detail at this elite group and find out whether joining their ranks really is getting harder.

To help look back at the top 10,000 in FPL I have used the excellent analysis from Smarty Pants’ FPL Discovery website and have been inspired by the research from the FFScout community, for example this analysis by Balders into the cost of the top 10,000 template.

Starting two seasons ago I’ve broken down the research into two marking periods each season. This enables midseason to midseason comparisons as well as end of year comparisons.

The Top 10,000 (2013-2015)

Midseason, 2013-14

End of year top 10k currently there at mid season : 35%

End of year top 10k there at least once by mid season: 49%

Midseason Rank achieved by hitting top 10k average each week: ~22k*

*data starts from gw12 and assumes 10k from that starting point

Points Gap from 10k to 1k/100/1: 44/79/143

End of season, 2013-14

Experience: 90+% played before, ranging pretty evenly from 1-7+ years of prior experience

Previous Top 10k: ~20%, ~7% more than once

Previous Top 1k: ~4%

Seasonal average weekly turnover in top 10k : ~17%

Seasonal average brand new teams per week to top 10k: ~9%

Average team value: 108m, 2.1m itb

End of season Rank achieved by hitting top 10k average each week: 30.3k*

*data starts from gw12 and assumes 10k from that starting point

Points Gap from 10k to 1k/100/1: 74/132/234

Midseason, 2014-15

End of year top 10k currently there at mid season : 51%

End of year top 10k there at least once by mid season: 66%

Average team value: 103.7m, 1.2m itb

Midseason Rank achieved by hitting top 10k average each week: 98.8 points behind top 10k (can’t figure out exact rank)

Points Gap from 10k to 1k/100/1: 54/93/178

End of season, 2014-15

Experience: 96%, still quite even from 1-8 years of prior experience

Previous Top 10k: ~36%, with ~21% more than once

Previous Top 1k: ~8%

Seasonal average weekly turnover in top 10k: ~14%

Seasonal average brand new teams per week to top 10k: ~6%

Average team value: 103.5, 1.3m itb (very confusing to me)

End of season Rank achieved by hitting top 10k average each week: 71.1k

Points Gap from 10k to 1k/100/1: 96/159/273

Mid year, 2015-16

Experience: 80%, with ~25% at 5+ years

Previous Top 10k: ~4%

Previous Top 1k: <1% (1 player w 4 top 1k finishes!)

Average team value: 104m, 2.4m itb

Midseason Rank achieved by hitting top 10k average each week: 117 pts behind

Points Gap from 10k to 1k/100/1: 44/77/148

Analysis

While many Fantasy managers are looking at this 2015-16 season as a marked change from the past, that is not necessarily the case.

If you look at the change from 13/14 to 14/15, we might be in the midst of a larger transition in FPL difficulty, not at its beginning or in the midst of some outlier.  As FPL Discovery illustrates (see links below), it became markedly more difficult to break into the top 10k last year than the year before, and the gaps from the top 10k to the truly elite top 1k and even the challengers for the overall crown at season’s end became much wider.  In actuality, the gaps this year from 10k to the overall top are shorter, and historically more like 2013/14 so far.

Another big change so far from last season is a change in average transfer value (TV) among the midseason top 10k.  Ironically, in this season of the value attacker, those teams have almost 2m more in team value than in the past.  As Balders pointed out in his post, this could be a significant factor in the potential lack of movement at the top, since if everyone is richer but there aren’t many premium players worth owning, it is hard to use budget constraints to differentiate yourself from others.  This could also be connected to the change in Wild Card (WC) rules, as many more managers used theirs early to get on bandwagons and develop TV; it will be interesting to see the season long impact of the new WC chips over the full season.

One of the key changes this season is the experience level of the top 10,000 managers. A massive 20% of the managers are new to the game, with less than 5% being previous top 10,000 ranked managers.  This is one of the main criticisms of this season and is sometimes used as evidence that this season is a bizarre campaign being run by “casuals.”  However, that might be a bit self-serving, and perhaps an odd revision of our own past seasons.  The amount of posts lamenting the lack of differentials or risks paying off has created a narrative that makes it seem as if players from past seasons could leap over the masses with the strike of a single flair captaincy, but doesn’t it stand to reason that most players when first getting serious used this site to follow a template and get in the best players?

Another factor is the wealth of knowledge now available and rise in popularity of FFScout. More people now have more knowledge about strategy, underlying statistics and fixtures. It stands to reason that more people will be vying for a top 10,000 berth and what’s more are equipped with the skills to get there.

Looking at the above research it is clear that this explosion is not sudden. Sometimes the hardest thing to understand about change is that it is not always a gradual shift but rather a series of inconsistent transitions that can catch us off guard. This season Leicester’s incredible rise to the summit of the Premier League is an example of those sorts of surprising changes that perhaps less experienced Fantasy managers have been quicker to react to than the veterans this season.

Finally my own experience as a Fantasy manager over the last three seasons is indicative of how often single decisions in one Gameweek or drafting in just one player can be the difference between a top 10,000 finish or mediocrity. In the 12/13 season Romelu Lukaku’s hat trick, while on loan at West Brom against Manchester United propelled me into the top 5,000. The next season I avoided Aaron Ramsey and Yaya Toure, which ensured I struggled to break the top 100,000. Last year Sergio Aguero’s masterclass against Tottenham in Gameweek 8 set me up for the rest of the season. And this year chasing differentials has cost me dearly. FPL is not broken, there is just a transformation going on that experience managers need to adapt quicker to.

I would love to hear others’ thoughts on this raw data and any more information for the past, since I couldn’t find too much from seasons before 2013/14.

Useful links

https://fpldiscovery.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/season-1314-and-fpl-history/

https://fpldiscovery.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/final-top-10000-teams/

https://fpldiscovery.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/season-1415-final-top-10000/

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  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Splendid stuff. This season I'm looking at my first finish outside of the top 10K since 2009/10.

    A few captain decisions and being a little too slow to catch onto Leicester were key decisions this season that went against me, but overall I do find it similar to other seasons. There are always consistent players that some are slow to get and seasons without a RVP or Ronaldo often mean captain plans go array.

    1. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      chin up Jonty. you never know.

    2. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Cheers for the edits and the quick posting, Jonty. Here's to a better 2016!

  2. MountainBeach
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Hey guys, need some help. Last in my league and looking for a differential.
    Current team is:

    Lloris
    Smalling Kos Kolarov
    Mahrez Barkley Ozil KDB
    Lukaku Vardy Giroud

    Simpson, Richards, Wanyama

    Got 1.7 in the bank and a free transfer.

    Any tips?

    1. Mingles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      You should have Sanchez and Kun, once the former is fit of course. That team won't gain any ground on template teams.

      1. MountainBeach
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 11 months ago

        What?

  3. _Gunner
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Needs some help please

    Which is better?
    A- Yaya + 4 points (have KDB)
    B- Ozil (have Giroud)

    Play one:
    1-Schmeicel
    2-Butland

  4. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    I don't think it's going to be too hard for the lot of us to move up. The current top 10k has had it pretty easy so far with so many consistent players performing week in week out and a lot of them haven't got experience of when the form players change so quickly like many of us do. Also, a large percentage of them have used their bench boost and triple captain chips which will shorten the gap also.

    1. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      I don't think I've had it easy at all Mull, I've worked as hard as the next player, maybe I make it look easy - but it hasn't been so far.

      1. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 11 months ago

        I said it's going to be easier to move up in future there's more moving parts and not just the same rigid template and how you've managed to move up is quite impressive.

        1. HVT
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 11 months ago

          Thanks, I'm just a bit annoyed at the 'template bashing' and references to 'casuals doing well'.
          There are a lot of good posters with ample experience doing well and others not so, the game hasn't really changed its the respective managers not doing well need to look at themselves/their teams no point in blaming others for their poor show.
          All of our OR are a true reflection of where we deserve to be, enough of the excuses please.

  5. che
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Any data on how many up there have used their chips as I think that could have a big bearing. Top of my ML has used all 3

    1. tambourineman
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Triple Captain 43.8%
      Bench Boost 53.9%
      All Out Attack 51.0%

  6. Eze Really?
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Bloody good article!

  7. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Fab article mate 🙂

  8. djenzio
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Fantastic article!

    I have finally been hitting my "FPL form" but have found my movement up the ranks has been vert gradual/ I currently sit on my best rank this season of 320k, and that's on the back of 6 straight green arrows, and some very successful captain choices like Mahrez gw17.

    I agree with TM that you can't say it's a casual season, it's very similar to the PL where everyone is good, a lot more people use this website and other online resources, and FPL is growing every year so we have to expect a greater level form first time players. Also these first time players may have played in the past and just started a new account.

    Even though a lot of chips have been played in the top 10k, being in that position is a lot easier to hold on to than it is for us who are trying to chase, especially with the current form of players. Hopefully some new signings will shake things up.

  9. tm245
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Having problems getting on the site, but a quick note.

    Thanks for the comments, all. One area that I can't really track down but anecdotally sense might be an issue for movement up the ranks is the spaces between say 750k and 500k, or 500k to 200k, etc. I have read several posters say they are above the top 10k each week but don't seem to be moving anywhere in the six figure range.

    If indeed there are many more players with decent knowledge of the basics of the game, then these are the levels which will be very slow going and will be tests of our patience. Risky moves and flair captains might be tempting to give us a leap over a crowd of immovable, more conservative players, but they might also be a waste of precious gameweeks as we look to climb in the second half of the season.

  10. Philman
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    I have only had one season outside the top 6k in 7 season, with a 45k finish, so this season's current rank of 120k is very foreign to me.

    Top post and a great read!

    The quality does feel like it has gone up, when "decent" performances in GWs can lead to a small red arrow, when in the past they would be small greens. From very recent personal experience, what this can then mean is that one is subconcioulsy looking for differentials already, trying to be clever and outwit the masses to gain an advantage. As an example, I capped Kun in GW19, as I almost felt I needed to, and hence got a red arrow.

    Of course, you need to question what your aims are now, to get a decent finishing rank and realise this may not be inside the top 10k that you are accustomed to, or to take a few risks and risks a very lowly finishing rank.

    Subconsciously, you may not even realise that this decision has already been made.

  11. aquavit
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    When I first played FPL in 2008/09, I scored only 2085 points and yet I finished 3535. Since then my scores have trended higher, and the best I've done is 22337 in 2010/11. It certainly feels like FPL is getting tougher to hold my own and not lose ground, let alone make it into the top 10,000.

  12. tm245
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    The posts above might connect a bit with this data, and Philman's post about setting goals and fighting subconscious impulses could be the way to go if a steady climb is the goal.

    Here are the points markers offered a different way, in ~10 point increments to allow people to see what is right in front of them instead of just the overwhelming big picture. Remember, the further behind you are, generally the more people there will be right next to you.

    Total pts - Overall Rank
    1,000 pts - 723,000
    1,011 pts - 605,000
    1,020 pts - 508,000
    1,030 pts - 424,000
    1,041 pts - 363,000
    1,051 pts - 265,000
    1,060 pts - 209,000
    1,071 pts - 154,000
    1,081 pts - 110,000
    1,090 pts - 83,500
    1,100 pts - 57,600
    1,109 pts - 41,300
    1,119 pts - 27,600
    1,129 pts - 17,900
    1,138 pts - 11,500
    1,148 pts - 7,100
    1,159 pts - 3,900
    1,169 pts - 2,300
    1,180 pts - 1,195
    1,190 pts - 629
    1,200 pts - 324
    1,210 pts - 166
    1,218 pts - 104
    1,279 pts - 1st

    A few interesting logjams in the six figure area, but overall as it would stand to reason each ten points extra sees a decrease of an impact on OR.

    1. blue book
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Great work TM245!

      Due to post New Year celebrations brain fade, I needed to see those overall rank differences in front of my eyes rather than trying to figure them out in my head. So I pasted your numbers into a spreadsheet and this is what came out. At 1,041 to 1,051 pts you can really make up some ground, the differences blips up to almost 100K.

      Total pst Overall Rank OR Difference
      1,000 pts 723000
      1,011 pts 605000 118000
      1,020 pts 508000 97000
      1,030 pts 424000 84000
      1,041 pts 363000 61000
      1,051 pts 265000 98000
      1,060 pts 209000 56000
      1,071 pts 154000 55000
      1,081 pts 110000 44000
      1,090 pts 83500 26500
      1,100 pts 57600 25900
      1,109 pts 41300 16300
      1,119 pts 27600 13700
      1,129 pts 17900 9700
      1,138 pts 11500 6400
      1,148 pts 7100 4400
      1,159 pts 3900 3200
      1,169 pts 2300 1600
      1,180 pts 1195 1105
      1,190 pts 629 566
      1,200 pts 324 305
      1,210 pts 166 158
      1,218 pts 104 62
      1,279 pts 1st 103

      1. blue book
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 11 months ago

        Sorry for the crappy formatting BTW!

      2. tm245
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 11 months ago

        No problem with the formatting, this is great stuff. I noticed that increase at 1,041 -- there are also another a few spots a little further ahead where the numbers don't decrease either. Could be some opportunities there as well.

  13. get_in
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    With the game now having 3.6 million registered players, top 10k represents the top 0.3%, i.e. three standard deviations from the mean. I can't help but feel that the target of top 10k is no longer a reasonable target to aspire to.

  14. RedLightning
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    With the increased number of players who know what they're doing, and the increased awareness of advice websites by new players, it is bound to be more difficult than previously to make the top 10k - but how much more difficult is not easy to estimate, and experience should still count for something.

    The new Triple Captain and Bench Boost chips have had a big impact on current overall positions, and those of us who have not yet used them are bound to move up the rankings when we eventually play them - but how much we improve our rankings is not likely to become apparent until very late in the season.

    I find it surprising that achieving the average 10k score every GW of the season does not result in a top 10k ranking. Is that because the average includes players about to drop out of the top 10k but excludes players about to enter it? Presumably the average GW score of the players in the new top 10k (which includes the new entries) is somewhat higher than the average of the old top 10k (which includes the dropouts) - but by how much?

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Good point about the turnover -- SmartyPants has some great charts on that very question in his summary articles on the website. Yes, the average includes the dropouts from the top 10k but not the new entries.

  15. Yankee Toffee
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Great article, well done!

  16. Rainmaster
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Splendid stuff. Wonderful writing. TM245: Are you a consultant by any chance? 🙂

  17. the cromulent one
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Great stuff, TM245. I love articles like this.
    FPL might be like poker in some respects (not that I'm a poker player at all). When they tightened the rules for online gambling in the US, a lot of casual players disappeared, leaving only dedicated, serious players. Those who were left found it much more difficult to break even, not because their skills had eroded, but because their competition was as skilled as they were.
    It seems like there are many more serious FPL players now compared to years past. With all the wisdom available on FFS, it is only natural that making it to the top will get more difficult. The more compact points difference seems to extend far beyond the 10k mark. It would be interesting to see how the distribution all the way out to 1m differs from previous years.

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Cheers, Cromulent. I remember the poker transition well, and I think that analogy holds up here, as might the earlier one when the poker boom started and casinos/online sites were flooded with a lot of fish. As the popularity held up, the veterans started to become frustrated with the new guys coming in who actually played okay and weren't fish, especially the hyper aggressive ones who employed that fairly simple strategy that bypassed some of the subtler, more complex strategies that the veterans held dear as a sign of a true player.

  18. Chicken-Mandy
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Which 2 should I play between Moreno, Alderweireld and kolarov?

    1. kegd
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 11 months ago

      Moreno kolarov

  19. kegd
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Butland
    Sagna Simpson Moreno (Dawson Toby )
    Ozil KDB Mahrez arnautovic (Barkley)
    Vardy lukaku Kane

    1) team g2g???
    2) captain choices - ozil favourite??

  20. Smarty Pants
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 11 months ago

    Good to see that the gaps in points are smaller than last season and similar to season 2013/2014. Taken together with the facts that:
    - this time we have the chips distorting the picture,
    - there are plenty of inexperienced teams up top,
    I think it's too early to write this season off even if you're very far away from the top 10k at this point. Just need the template to stop delivering (and we saw some signs of it today) and do things right during the rest of the season. I'm staying optimistic despite being at 200+K.