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18 February 2011 935 comments
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Kenny Dalglish made an unremarkable return to European football with Liverpool and he masterminded his troops to a 0-0 stalemate in Prague. The draw with Sparta has Liverpool well placed for a last 16 Europa League place, while Dalglish had the opportunity to take a passing glance at some fringe players – including Joe Cole.

Liverpool’s lineup saw the likes of Sotorious Kyrgiakos partner Jame Carragher in defence, while 19-year-old Danny Wilson was deployed at left-back in a 4-4-2, allowing Glen Johnson to revert to the right full-back role. David Ngog took the striker’s role with Raul Meireles again given the job of providing the support, as he looked to prolong his extraordinary scoring streak.

Dalglish was without groin injury victim Steven Gerrard and he took another casualty in midfield on the night as Fabio Aurelio suffered his own groin injury. Dalglish had this to say on the Aurelio setback…

“It’s an adductor strain. It’s not too bad. Midfield was the last place we needed an injury. Obviously Fabio would prefer to play somewhere else than midfield but needs must.”

Aurelio’s injury saw him replaced by Joe Cole on 38 minutes. That shackled Meireles in a deeper midfield role as Cole was pushed up as support for Ngog.

This was Joe Cole’s first appearance under Dalglish following recurring knee problems for the former Chelsea trickster. Cole has been a non-starter for Liverpool since his arrival at Anfield and in Fantasy terms his inability to maintain fitness and cement a starting role has been a major disappointment. The subject cropped up in Dalglish’s post-match interview, and just as he has done with new-signing Andy Carroll, the Liverpool boss stressed the need for patience with Cole.

“Joe’s a valuable asset for us but obviously he’s not going to pick up his form immediately. We’re not going to expect him to be the Joe Cole who came here in the summer straight away…Form’s temporary and class is permanent: that’s where we stand with Joe Cole. We’ll give him a bit of time to get himself up to speed and then we can see him produce something for us.”

The second-leg with Sparta falls before the Gameweek 28 trip to Upton Park. Steven Gerrard and Dan Agger remain injury doubts for that, although Dalglish offered us plenty of reassurance on their situation – indicating that they will be back in the frame…

“We’ll see when we go back. I don’t think he’ll be too long before he’s fit and I don’t think Daniel Agger will be too much of a problem either.”

Martin Kelly and Martin Skrtel were also rested last night; both look likely to be back in the equation but it will be interesting to see if Dalglish keeps them preserved for the West Ham trip. Fantasy Managers will certainly be hoping that this is the case.

“We left Martin Kelly and Martin Skrtel out as well because young Martin Kelly has been through an awful lot in the last seven games and has been playing with a few bumps and bruises. This gave him the opportunity to refresh himself, and Martin Skrtel got injured at Chelsea but carried on – and we didn’t want to take a chance.”

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Shoot
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    DIRTY REPOST...

    For GW28:

    Walcott > Cahill
    R.Johnson > Kolarov

    Then bring RJ back in for Rafael in his DGW29, thoughts?!

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    1. fiacloir
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      sounds good im doing the same with gardner

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    1. Akers
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      Nah, Wally goes missing in games...

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  2. g10
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    Any chance anyone has much experience with fiso or totalfpl? I kept enough funds to do Lennon OUT Cahill IN so that I can field 11 this week (after playing my WC) but if Cahill rises I'll have to change my plans.

    Fiso has him at 43% while totalfpl says 113%

    I understand that they use different algorithms but does one tend to be more reliable? Also, is his protection taken into account with the percentages?

    I'd make the change now but I'd like to at least wait til after the game tomorrow! Thanks.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      It rather depends on what happens to the protection - which is on. You better ask Andy - he knows how it works ...

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      1. g10
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        Yeah it seems hard to know for sure, which is the idea I guess.

        Cheers.

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  3. Epic Fail
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    This saturday will be 9 years since Jose Mourinho lost a game at home.

    Wow, just wow.

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Locarno, where are you to defend Charlton's honour?

      http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,,11065_2573524,00.html

      That's barely 5 years, must try harder...

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      1. PFOR
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        9 years unbeaten in LEAGUE games 😉

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        1. Epic Fail
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          I probably should have mentioned that. 😀

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    2. jamsiep
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      It's only because he joins club when they are at their peak, and then leaves when they are about to fade away. 😕

      ....according to Dbronaldo at least.

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  4. Sess!
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Bent or Berbatov for the next 5/6 games?

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    1. Christina.
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      If you take Bent vs Berba over gw 28-36, then according to fixtures it HAS to be bent. IMO.

      I have Berba...

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Both, unless United retain their DGW! 🙂

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      1. Christina.
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        No way I can fit in both. RVP & Tevez until the end of the season for me.

        Other option is A.Young, but I'm not a big fan.

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      2. Sess!
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Already have tevez and rvp and not a chance I'm shipping either of them!

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  5. Sess!
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    It's not like berbatov has tough fixtures either but not liking the fact that a fair few are away where he usually goes missing. Bent seems logical but as a Sunderland fan I'm reluctant...

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    1. Christina.
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Who should one bring in for Sunderland's fixtures gw 32-38? Will Welbeck be fit?

      Sunderland is like Everton, when you expect them to beat a team they go missing and often dissapoint though.

      I have Bardsley, but have missed out on his points when I benched him. Like Coleman, you just never know when to play the bugger!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Henderson, imo.

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      2. Sess!
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Wellbeck will be back then yeah and I think he'll be an awesome buy seeing as he's dropped to 4.7. I have bardsley at the moment but thinking about shipping him soon as his price bumps up again and then buying bramble back in for the easy fixtures.

        Bardsley is a one goal a season type player so the fact he already has two leads me to think he won't get that many more bit hits before end of season, maybe the odd assist

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  6. hillbillypete
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Yawn...boring 5hite liverpool

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    1. liamhennessy
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Yawn…boring 5hite post

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      1. hillbillypete
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        but true. how the mighty have fallen.

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    2. Louis Van Balls
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      Oh so harsh hillbilly. 'King' Kenny will be gutted.

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    3. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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      I can hardly stay awake during LFC matches lately. Boring play for me.

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      1. liamhennessy
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Yes the game last night was crap - but Liverpool in Europe were always masters of shutting teams out away from home, especially in their heyday.

        Given their current situation, Kenneth obviously decided that it was prudent to pursue and safety-first policy.

        I'd say their resurgence under Dalgleish is quite interesting (I can't quite bring myself to describe it as exciting, though).

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  7. SaintMatt
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Best keeper to go with Foster? Looking to get rid of Stockdale this week.

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    1. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
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      Begovic.

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    2. Mark
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Watchlist updated this evening...we've got Friedel and Harper ranking highly.

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      1. fiacloir
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Was thinking of harper alright....

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      2. SaintMatt
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        cheers to both, will have a look at how those two rotate with Foster.

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        1. Christina.
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          VDS, especially if ManU have double gw 28. VDS, rotates perfectly H/a with Foster until end of the season.

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          1. SaintMatt
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            14 years, 10 months ago

            interesting idea inalize, would mean benching him against, Liverpool, West Ham, Newcastle, Arsenal, Blackburn (all away). Not too bad considering Man U's away form.

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            1. Christina.
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              I just thought especially if ManU have double this week, most teams will have begovic as part of their WC teams. With a bit of luck begovic will have a cr*p game and VDS might pick up some points.

              You never know.

              PS: I think Manu might concede against all of the teams that you mention above. So not such a bad idea.

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                14 years, 10 months ago

                Inalize - you just solved a big problem for me - ta muchly!!! 😀

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    3. Boom!!!
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      if money is not a problem then friedel...

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      1. fiacloir
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        fook all cleanies at villa all season....

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      2. SaintMatt
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        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Hmmm just had a look and Friedel rotates perfectly (well home and away) with Foster for the rest of the season. Harper not so good but cheaper...

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        1. PFOR
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          Of course they do, they're rivals!

          Just like VDS and Hart will always rotate perfectly.

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          1. SaintMatt
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            14 years, 10 months ago

            sorry PFOR completely forgot they were rivals, oh well the point still implys that they rotate well, rivals or not!

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            1. PFOR
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              Wasn't meaning to be a pest there 😛

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              1. SaintMatt
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                No worries 🙂

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  8. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Liverpool...bool...bool....

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  9. skooldaze
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Here's a question - do you ever put your personal teams players in your FF team or avoid them thinking you don't want to jinx it.

    I have no liverpool players in there as I'm always cautious for personal reasons where I have man u players in as I think if they do well at least its a bonus. I dont purposely avoid liverpool players just for that reason as if they are delivering then its all good but I'm always cautious! Anyone else

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    1. skooldaze
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      guess not!

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      on that, I wish i was a liverpool fan this season....

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    3. Smarty Pants
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      I think that's mostly Liverpool fans who have to be cautios with their players if they want to succeed in this game. Ars/MU fans are fine.

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    4. liamhennessy
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      I'll put the in if I think they're the best for the team - I don't take any of the usual partisan considerations on board at all when I think FPL (I'll even have a few Arsenal players in there usually!).

      It's been a great week for England in the CL - let's hope we get all-English semi finals. Spurs v Arsenal in the final would be insane.

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      1. PFOR
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Not gonna happen, more likely to be the quarters.

        United - Chelsea and Arsenal - Spurs would be tasty though!

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  10. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
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    Yaya to keep in team or not ?

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    1. PFOR
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Why get rid now?

      WIG, FUL, SUN coming up, I'm thinking of getting him!

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      1. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
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        Because he hasn't score for a long period....
        And he is playing as defensive midfielder

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        1. PFOR
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          *sigh* , no he isn't.

          Played slightly more defensively in De Jong's absence, but I'd class him as a box-to-box midfielder.

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  11. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
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    .Ya man...
    About Meriles thing especially..
    He will start his goal drought.

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  12. Sess!
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    See cuellar's out for a month. That pretty much cements walker's place in the team.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/882070/aston-villa?cc=5739

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    1. Boom!!!
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      l.young is back 😉
      http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2295994,00.html?

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      1. Demí
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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      2. In Like Flynn.
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Excellent, it could be days before he's injured again.

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      3. Sess!
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Ha ha, ok maybe not then 🙂

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  13. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    kolarov a nailed on starter? thinking of doin djourou to kolarov

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    1. SaintMatt
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      personally (all though a lot of people on here will shoot me for saying this) I have a feeling that City could revert to two up top this week (tevez, dzeko) and thus dropping kolarov to the bench. Just a thought.

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      1. Christina.
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        That will suit me perfectly.

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      2. Demí
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        wouldn't he just go back to left back in place of zabaleta who had a horrendous time against nani last week.

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      3. PFOR
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        They probably will play Dzeko and Tevez, but Kolarov wouldn't be benched, he'd just revert to LB.

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        1. Boom!!!
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          mancini prefers zabaleta at lb 😕

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          1. PFOR
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            14 years, 10 months ago

            Not particularly. And Zabaleta was awful at the weekend.

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        2. Valar(Keith)
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          i was worried cause kolarov not good at defendin.. n now he's competin vs dzeko and the rest of city's attackin talents

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  14. More Cowbell
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    Question for you boys.

    Recently moved back to the North, need to get myself into a weekend footy team, what's the best way to go about it?

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    1. Christina.
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Phone Kenny D.

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      1. More Cowbell
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Was thinking a slighter better standard but thanks anyway. 😉

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        1. Christina.
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          Mouse Stu - excellent ranking.

          Since you have A.Young, you think it's worth getting him for the next couple of games or would Bent in for Berba be better option?

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          1. More Cowbell
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Rudi - thanks, and you.

            Well..I'm looking at your midfield and I'm thinkig that you have VDV and Fabregas out this gameweek and potentially Adam too, leaving you with 2 midfielders worst case scenario. Berba isn't doing any harm and will probably play this gameweek and has a potential double.

            So I would definatly do something with the midfield. I'd try and keep hold of Fabs, if possible, but realise it's a lot of cash to sit on your bench and as Adam is only a cheapie I'd suggest shipping VDV. The obvious candidates are Cahill, nice fixture in GW28 and double in GW29. Young is also a good shout imo, nice upcoming fixtures (BLA bol WLV). Not an easy call but both good options.

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      how far North?

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      1. More Cowbell
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        Pretty far...north east. Somewhere in the T&W, Tees, Cleveland area would do very nicely.

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        1. Kings of Lyon ★
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          Ah not that north 😉 Glasgow would probably be too much of a commute i reckon.

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  15. Christina.
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    14 years, 10 months ago

    I assuming Tevez will be one of the capt poll fav's this week. Anyone else thinking Fulham would have learned how to handle tevez after he destroyed them at Craven Cottage?

    What I'm trying to say is, is this going to be one of those weeks where we all follow the poll, and get dissapointed?

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    1. PFOR
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      I've been extremely unlucky with my Tevez choices this season.

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      1. Christina.
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        Who you reckon then? If ManU have double I suppose it's going to be Nani, but if no double?

        Tosey was going on about Huth(c)!

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        1. ZeSuPeR
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          Better options than captaining Huth surely.

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          1. Christina.
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            14 years, 10 months ago

            If not Tevez, then who?

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          2. ZeSuPeR
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            I fancy Wigan to get smashed, so will be Berbs or Naan'i for me.

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            1. Boom!!!
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              wigan is the most underrated team in the premier league...fact...when was the last time we smashed someone away from home 😕

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              1. ZeSuPeR
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                14 years, 10 months ago

                Wigan just lost to Bolton at home, and have been playing generally awful the last few weeks.

                Falling apart, and it's gonna get worse against Manu U.

                Dilemma for gamble with Berbs or safe with Nani though.

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                1. Boom!!!
                  • 15 Years
                  14 years, 10 months ago

                  for f*ck sake ,WIGAN B TEAM lost to bolton at home in the FA CUP simply coz they want to concentrate in the premier league...

                  they are playing awful,really?
                  they did well against blackburn at home and got a well deserved point away to liverpool...

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                  1. ZeSuPeR
                    • 15 Years
                    14 years, 10 months ago

                    chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill winstan, didnt check the lineup i'll admit presumed they'd take the FA cup seriously.

                    Man U will score at least two is what i'm saying.

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              2. PFOR
                • 15 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                Wigan are awful.

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        2. PFOR
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          14 years, 10 months ago

          Oh I'll still probably captain Tevez mind you, just saying 😛

          Ashley Young possibly as a cheeky punt, there's usually goals between Villa and B'burn.

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        3. Touré De Force
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          nani either way.

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    2. Sess!
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      Yeah I'm dubious.

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    3. Boom!!!
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      reasons not to captain tevez:
      1)fulham has improved defensively.
      2)mancity not do well at home attacking wise because of the formation they play.
      3)dzeko is back and tevez is likely to play in the lw or rw like what he did in the europa league.

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      1. Marknlard
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        None of those reasons are enough for me not to captain Tevez. Especially don't think that Dzeko will impact on Tevez's points (and I say that as someone very close to getting Dzeko over Tevez a couple of weeks ago and mighty relieved I didn't).

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      2. Christina.
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        ManC have scored 4,1,4,3 in there last 4 home games. Ok, vs cr*p opponents, but still.

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      3. PFOR
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        Reasons to captain Tevez:

        1. He's been the most potent striker in the league this year, playing at home against mid-table opposition.
        2. He's on penalties and is the focal point of his team.
        3. If anything he does better with Dzeko.

        You can talk shite sometimes boom.

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        1. Marknlard
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Aaah it's Boom! I wouldn't have taken it so seriously if I'd known.

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          1. Boom!!!
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            😛

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          2. PFOR
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            I think it's boom? 😕

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          3. PFOR
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            14 years, 10 months ago

            😆

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    4. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Do you think North Korea in the '66 World Cup said 'can't wait til we play Portugal again - we've learnt how to handle that Eusebio now...' 😉

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        🙂

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  16. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    why has hutton disappeared ,somethings going on i reckon ...

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    1. Christina.
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      14 years, 10 months ago

      He is there. Just reboot your PC. I had same problem yesterday.

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      1. Boom!!!
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        😆

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
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      I know that in his contract its if you play x, y, z amount of games then Rangers get a fee. Doubt he's being that tight though.

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      1. herman murman
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        14 years, 10 months ago

        tough luck last night mate. sickner

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        1. Kings of Lyon ★
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          aye man pretty brutal. we just couldnae finish, lafferty is a joke in front of goal. On the plus side they didnt look that good and i reckon we can score over there so the ties not over. Now to look forward to sunday 🙂

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          1. herman murman
            • 16 Years
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            Lafferty is a joke full stop. would he have got into a gers team ten years ago. my brother in law played in the northern ireland under 18 team and said he was crap then. he must have something but i can't see it!!

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            1. Kings of Lyon ★
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Not one player would have gotten into the rangers team 10 years ago the only one close would be Jelavic. just shows how much Scottish football has deteriorated.

              he's got height and a bit of pace. thats it. Scored a good goal v hibs last year to win the league last year but apart from that nothing.

              although he came into a restaurant I worked in about 2 years ago with his mrs, and she is an actual babe...

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  17. SaintMatt
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    If I was to do Stockdale out for VDS & Gardner out for Cahill I would have 0 in the bank. Wise to do the cahill transfer now or just find another keeper instead of VDS?

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    1. liamhennessy
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      If that's your ideal, then I'd do it now if I were you (just in case).

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    1. Marknlard
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      How did you search the site? I didn't know you could.

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      1. FPL Daniel
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        Top effort. Post of the month Soop.

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  18. njfsdkffslkf
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    Lets put to bed this Fabregas v Rooney Saga. Yes i know its pretty anal but still id rather be like that than let some nonsense go forth that they play in same area or position or are in some way comparable in roles. Here's Man Uniteds last home game when Rooney and Berbatov were paired for balance and Arsenal last home game.

    Fabregas Average Position over the 90min - in the centre circle:
    Select tactical formation and then average position

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=293058&cc=5739

    Rooney Average position : Centre Forward

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=293115&cc=5739

    Heres there heat maps over the same games:
    Simple select heat map and the player you want to view
    Compare Fabs :
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=293058&cc=5739

    To Rooneys:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=293115&cc=5739

    Rooney is more advanced, Fabs plays deeper and covers more ground defensively. In fact Rooney average position is further forward than RVP! And Fabs is the same as Andersons.

    There let us never speak of this nonsense again 🙂

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 15 Years
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      The saga was already in bed, and you are trying to awaken it from its slumber.

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Im not believe me. Wasnt here last night read back to see AP quote Mystic Greg post which was good mind as somehow validating his argument. Then Attila point out to him it didnt and that others also made this point (Mnl, Andy85, etc) and he still blindly said that it didnt again.

        So now its put to bed . Done.

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 15 Years
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          So you're using heat maps from one game to prove that heat maps from one game prove nothing? OK.

          For the record, I agree that Rooney obviously plays further forward than Fabs...

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          1. njfsdkffslkf
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            No

            Greg didnt use heat maps. He used passing stats. Completley different thing and nothing to do with average position or playing position.

            Im glad to see AP has really muddy the water on something so very simple

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            1. Hank
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah nothing to do with it at all, it's not like you might pass from where you are standing or running from. Completely different thing, excellent analysis again.

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            2. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 15 Years
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              Heat maps, passing stats, the point stands that either you can judge something like this on one game, or you can't. Which is it?

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              1. Hank
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                🙂

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        2. Hank
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Well done, you did exactly what you accused greg of doing - using stats over 90mins to support your theory.

          Rooney aside, all this gives you is what you dream of every day. More attention. Remember, the initial discussion was between myself an Attila, and you chipped in like an annoying 5 year old tugging at my sleeve.

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          1. Attila the Bum
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Isn't the whole forum rife with 'chipping in'? You appeared to have no problem with anyone 'chipping in' when they even remotely supported your theory.

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          2. Boom!!!
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            +1 😉 and he posted the link of manutd-villa because he knew that is probably the only game where rooney played ahead of berba...

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            1. Attila the Bum
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Oh here is the little faithful if somewhat demented hound.
              Ah what a suprise.

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              1. Hank
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                You've turned into a true nasty piece of work over this Attila, good for you.

                I don't think i've ever seen Boom say one thing nasty to you but you lay into him every single post.

                "get a grip"

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                1. Attila the Bum
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  14 years, 10 months ago

                  A nasty piece of work? Ha nice. When have I laid into him apart from that joke above?
                  Try actually thinking for a change instead of reacting hysterically whenever anyone mentions Manchester United.
                  I never insulted Rooney once yesterday (quite the opposite) so your whole little tantrum was quite uncalled for.

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                  1. Hank
                    • 14 Years
                    14 years, 10 months ago

                    Apart from that joke above? Ha! try every single day, and don't ask me to find one because i only bookmark breathtaking posts like gregs, Boom might have a few though.

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                  2. Attila the Bum
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
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                    Words fail me.

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                2. njfsdkffslkf
                  • 16 Years
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                  lets ignore that fact that the stats have shown your utterly wrong and instead blame people for not supporting your side as usual.

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                  1. Hank
                    • 14 Years
                    14 years, 10 months ago

                    I have shown? It was Greg who created that 'stats' you loath so much, here let me remind you, i didn't even have to do the work myself.

                    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2011/02/17/wednesdays-cup-scout-notes-3/comment-page-3/#comment-1401000

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                  2. njfsdkffslkf
                    • 16 Years
                    14 years, 10 months ago

                    AP can you read here it is again
                    "ignore that the stats have shown your utterly wrong"

                    Where did anyone say YOU posted stats.

                    Ugh your a right pain.

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            2. njfsdkffslkf
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              "he posted the link of manutd-villa because he knew that is probably the only game where rooney played ahead of berba…"
              Ubber fail. Check the above link. Rooney is behind Berbatov in this game also. The amount of crap on here lately.

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          3. njfsdkffslkf
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            "Well done, you did exactly what you accused greg of doing – using stats over 90mins to support your theory."

            Eh no I didnt. He used meaningless stats. Where you lay the ball off cant be used to derive average position. Just like Koscienly layed the ball of twice in Barca game in the attackning third doesnt make him an Am.

            Yes of course I got involved like everyone does when someone is putting forward something which is such grossly untrue., there is no "us only " club to a comment. If you want i can be really anal and post the other games but that would take up the full forum and i now people dont want it.

            "ll this gives you is what you dream of every day. More attention"

            Really? Yes its that simple. Or maybe as everyone knows by now I cant stand when people try to distort facts / stats to suit themselves.

            You said Rooney and Fabregas play the same position / role/ area of whatever you want to call it.

            They dont now stop trying your best Sarah Palin impersonation by ignoring the simple facts. You would make an excellent politian btw.

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        3. Hank
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Linking my Rooney/Fabs theory to sarah palin/ Republican politics is, without doubt, the most retarded thing i've ever seen on this board. You're a complete simpleton and that genuinely made me laugh yesterday, bravo.

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          1. njfsdkffslkf
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Ah yes and quoting the Bible to Attila saying he words would come back to haunt him isnt.

            At least mine has some relevance as proved above. You managed to make 1966 think greg posted heat maps

            Well done

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            1. Hank
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              "You managed to make 1966 think greg posted heat maps"

              looool. Cretin.

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              1. 1966 was a great year for E…
                • 15 Years
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                Yeah, Alan, your shenanigans have warped my tiny little mind 😕

                I'll be honest, I can't be arsed with heat maps, passing maps, Opta stats etc, it's not why I got into football or why I care so much about it.

                I just think the way you try to justify your arguments is obtuse, DB.

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    2. Attila the Bum
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Ding ding Round 23.
      Logic and evidence will not work in this case. As I asked last night:

      Jack believes that Wayne Rooney can do better, he is below his zenith.

      Jill believes that Wayne Rooney will not do any better. He is at his zenith.

      Who rates Wayne Rooney more, Jack or Jill?

      I got the answer: "Whateverrrrrrr"

      Really logical response.

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    3. Locarno
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      You and Greg need to get girlfriends...

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Greg needs to 😉

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        1. Locarno
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Imagine the scene:

          "Honey, are you coming to bed? I'm here waiting, wearing just a smile!"

          "Yeah, hang on. I'm just spending three hours studying football heat maps to use as a basis of my argument against something that someone I've never met said on the internet."

          "Never mind - I'm going over to your brother's."

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          1. njfsdkffslkf
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            😛

            5min job at lunchtime. 😉

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            1. Attila the Bum
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Noice.

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    4. Shakey
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      😕

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    5. jamsiep
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      You need to stop doing this. I've been planning all morning to make a similar post using heatmaps!!

      In general, relevant are isolated chalkboards anyway? Heatmaps/average position maps are vastly superior because they give an indication of where players play relevant to the rest of their side. And so, these maps show that Rooney plays up top with Berbatov, and Fabregas isn't too far away from the rest of his midfield.

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        "Rooney plays up top with Berbatov, and Fabregas isn’t too far away from the rest of his midfield."

        ya i can see this too. Funny AP cant.

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      2. Hank
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        It's correct, in THIS game he clearly did play further forward.

        One game. Proves nothing, as was so vehemently supported by our young irish 'friend' yesterday.

        Anyhoo, Back to work, as fun as this may be.

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        1. jamsiep
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Agreed, one game proves nothing. It's no coincidence that dbronaldo picked a game where Rooney scored twice, so - I didn't watch the game - I'd imagine that he played in a much more advanced role than he has for the majority of games recently.

          Still, there's no getting away from the fact that Rooney and Cesc simply don't play in the same position. But the point Greg made, about the number of goals Rooney has been involved in being virtually the same as last year, is a good one, as he's clearly been playing in a much deeper role than last year.

          Makes you wonder how far ahead United would be if Rooney was actually playing well.

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          1. Hank
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Bingo, never thought i'd see the post of reeson coming from you!

            In other news, are you going to try and get a CL Final ticket? I'm gunna have about 5 computers at the ready trying to beat the online queue.

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            1. Granville
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              £26 admin fee, disgusting.

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              1. Hank
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                I know! Still, has to be done. Planning on going Gran?

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              2. Akers
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                £176 for the worst seats is a joke.

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                1. Hank
                  • 14 Years
                  14 years, 10 months ago

                  One off occasion though, having gone to the 2001 final i can say it's like no other football game. It's a true spectacle of awesomeness hence i'm not worried about the price. If it's Chelsea vs Arsenal though, disaster! 😛

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            2. jamsiep
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah I'm definitely thinking about it, but I haven't looked into it at all yet - other than reading about the prices this morning. When do they go on sale?

              If I did buy a ticket then I'd probably end up being in the awkward position of wanting Barca to reach the final! I'd absolutely love to see them, as much as I dislike them!

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              1. Hank
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                24th of feb i *think*.

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    6. Akers
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Eh? This is all a bit silly really, as Rooney's position changes from game to game depending on the circumstances, i.e. formation, opposition, etc.

      The "Look at me! Look at me!" posts are very tedious DBRonaldo.

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    7. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Ohh Dbronaldo, nooo not again. Pls

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  19. njfsdkffslkf
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    Urgh just did up the heat maps, average positions with links to finally put to bed Rooney v Fabregas nonsense and its moderated. Bah!

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    1. Locarno
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      "finally put to bed" an argument on here?

      Do you believe in Santa Claus as well?

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      1. Attila the Bum
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        😆

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      2. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        You right someone will prob say the stats are made up and have been tampered with by some ABU brigade.

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  20. Locarno
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    I was at a club with my wife when a beautiful woman came over and said, "Do you want to come to the toilets with me and have some wild sex?"

    I said, "Oh, this is awkward... Will you just leave us alone?"

    She said, "Oh sorry, I didn't realise you were married."

    I said, "I wasn't talking to you."

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    1. Soop
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      :/ Not your best there.

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      1. Locarno
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        She texts: If you're dreaming, send me your dreams. If you're laughing, send me your smile. If you're crying, send me your tears.

        He replies: I'm shitting, what should I send you?

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      2. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        yeah - 'could do better'

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        1. Locarno
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Everyone's a critic. 🙁

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          1. Kings of Lyon ★
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            🙁 i know mate i'l make you feel better .....

            you hear neil buchanan died this morning??

            they think it was an art attack

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            1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              I like it 🙂

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  21. Lewis - Sky Pod
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    New Radiohead album currently filtering through my headphones. This is a great friday!

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    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      No way! I didn't realise they had new material out. What's it like?

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Me neither. I absolutely LOVED in rainbows. One of my all time favs already

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        1. Lewis - Sky Pod
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          go to http://www.kingoflimbs.com - you can download it for £6 from today. or just wait and visit the usual torrent sites etc later today.

          only 4 tracks in but first impressions are good. very heavy, Thoms voice is as good as ever. this will be on repeat all weekend!

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            £6?! Last one was free wasn't it? Or you could 'donate' what you wanted

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            1. Lewis - Sky Pod
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              yes it was. surely you don't expect one of the worlds biggest bands to release consecutive albums for free?

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              1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                I didn't expect them to release the first one for free

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          2. Granville
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Oh cool, must listen to that right now.

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        2. herman murman
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          yea i lovedthat one too. a lot of fans didn't though

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          1. Twisted Saltergater
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Yeah, there are those Radiohead fans that only like their guitar based early stuff. Thing is, that's only really the Pablo Honey and The Bends albums. Every album has been brilliant in its own way imo, even Kid A and Amnesiac - which tend to get the most stick.

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    2. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Any good?

      I'm a big fan but mostly of Kid A and previous albums.

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    3. herman murman
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      is it out?

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      1. Lewis - Sky Pod
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        kingoflimbs.com

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        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          The purchase button still says "PRE ORDER" - will i get the option to download today as soon as I've paid for either the MP3 or WAV version?

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          1. Lewis - Sky Pod
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            yeah, as soon as you pay it will give you download option. do it, you will not regret it

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            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Cheers, will do! I'm on my work pc at the moment so will wait until I get home.

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  22. @ImpressiveTackl
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    Ode to GW27 (To the tune of Agadoo...)

    VAN... DER... VAART VAART VAART
    Lets hope he doesn't start.
    VAN DER VAART VAART VAART
    Oh his girl's a tasty tart.
    There's a stench, on my bench,
    and Nani is that man.
    Get 10 points, smoke some joints,
    And we'll get baked in Amsterdam!

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    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Nani on my bench too with no chance of coming off it 🙁 Blasted Berbatov!

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      I like it 😀

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    3. Attila the Bum
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      I like it, but I'd be happy if VdV just got two points. Good tune though.

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    4. Marknlard
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      🙂 made me chuckle!

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  23. The Wizard of Ozil
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    Team at the min

    Begovic (Stockdale)
    Pantsil-Vidic-Coleman-Carr-Simpson
    Cahill-Walcott-Adam-Fabregas-Nani
    Van Persie-Berbatov-Odemwingie

    which moves look better lads??

    A)Fabergas & Odem out Downing & Tevez in
    B)Walcott & Berbatov out Downing & Tevez in
    C)Pentsil,Fabergas & odem out Baines,4.4mid & Tevez in

    with A & B Pentsil will go next week for an Arsenal/villa defender

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    1. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Definitely not C. No need to take a points hit this week if you don't have to (no points hit is set to be a nice differential).

      Option A is probably best but I'm thinking Odemwingie away to Stoke isn't that bad. For me you should have an option D - Fabs out for ??? and save a transfer or avoid a points hit (do you have 2 freebies?).

      With 2 freebies I would do Fabs and Paintsil out this GW.

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  24. @FuzzyWarbles
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    jolly good start to the weekend. co-worker sacked for flirting with an employee via Facebook. I have to come in on less than 3 hours sleep to cover his arse for a 14 hour shift. chewed out by company inspector during this shift Im not even supposed to be at, just helpng out. and my left nasal cavity is ridden with polyps, making simple breathing out of one side of my nose impossible, a condition that has been developing over time and is now utterly unbearable.

    Hows everyone else doing?

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    1. Attila the Bum
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Urgh polyps, you've been picking your nose too much.

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      1. @FuzzyWarbles
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        its the chicken and the egg debate, i think ive been picking my nose because of the polyps, not getting them from picking. But you sound like an expert on the subject. strange the other side is fine.

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        1. Attila the Bum
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          I'm a true expert alright. Did you know if you continue to pick your nose one of two things will happen
          1) Your head will cave in
          2) Your hand will turn into a pigs trotter.

          I was told that by reliable sources (my Dad)

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          1. @FuzzyWarbles
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            this is the kind of icebreaker talking point I need to save for my next date. Would have been brilliant for Valentines Day.

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    2. liamhennessy
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Half my arse in hanging out due to haemmeroids - count yourself lucky 🙂

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      1. Attila the Bum
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuurgh

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        1. liamhennessy
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          Hahaha! Ooops.... better not laugh too hard

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    3. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Nice when you're doing someone a favour and they take out all their other sh*t on you. 🙁 It's at times like that you either count very slowly to ten or just twat them and phone the job centre.

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    4. Soop
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      This conversation is gross. I'm ok. Just ate 80% of my lunch already though, chicken caesar salad, except I forgot to grate parmesan over 9____9

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      1. @FuzzyWarbles
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Appy Polly Loggies. I will keep my ailment banter to a minimum. Just one of those days where everything is seemingly going to shit for no particular reason.

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  25. herman murman
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    i should read things properly. i just spent 5 mins lookin to see what happened to neil buchanan. lol

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  26. Bouncebackability
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    Luke Young back in training at the Villa 🙁

    Reduced game time for Kyle possibly..

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  27. skooldaze
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    If Chelsea beat Everton - does it automatically mean the gameweek is on?

    I really dont want to drop Tevez for Rooney as Tevez seems to have a good GW

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    1. skooldaze
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      oh yeah id have to take a 4 point hit too!

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    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      it means its off

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  28. Locarno
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 10 months ago

    Rooney and Fabregas play in different positions, and I don't need a f*cking heat map to prove it.

    Bored now.

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    1. Attila the Bum
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      +1
      Lets get onto whether Rooney could play any better or not ......

      😉

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Last season you'd get slaughtered for suggesting that Rooney isn't world class, and doesn't compare to Messi.

        This season you get slaughtered for saying he's underperforming.

        So, it follows that Rooney has been at his best - which is world class - all season. Hmmmmmmm....... 😕

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        1. Attila the Bum
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          To be fair only two people have disputed that Rooney isn't playing to his potential this season.

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          1. jamsiep
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Boom isn't a person, he's a lap dog.

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            1. jamsiep
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              Oh, you were talking about Gregory Hammer.... I guess he does count as a person, just about. 😉

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              1. Attila the Bum
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                No, Greg only disputed where Rooney/Fabregas plays. He didn't mention anything about whether Rooney is playing to potential or not.
                I did mean +1Boom.

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            2. Boom!!!
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              jamsiep abusing me again...what a surprise 😯

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              1. Hank
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                Try to ignore them boom. It's childish tit for tat.

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              2. jamsiep
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 10 months ago

                Chill out Boom, I'm only joking. I quite like you these days anyway.

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    2. jamsiep
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Amazing that such a bad comment could spark such 'debate'.

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    3. Shakey
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 10 months ago

      Was someone seriously arguing that they play in the same position?

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        AP

        Even now with proof they dont he still saying it. he said it yesterday comparing Rooney and Fabregas.

        Madness.

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        1. Shakey
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          From his analysis of Arsenal players over the last few months, I'd guess AP doesn't sit down and watch too many matches with Cesc in to really know what position he plays in.

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        2. Boom!!!
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          PROOF 😕 these heat maps of one game is the proof 😆

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      2. Hank
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 10 months ago

        Arrgh, work to do but....

        I really wasn't, not at all. This has escalated into a Rooney vs Fabs stat fest, which is thanks to Dbronaldo and his excellent politics chat.

        It initially started as a comparison between rooneys position this year, and last year, trying to explain his perceived massive underachievement. I suggested it was because he is dropping deeper this year playing ROUGHLY in the same place as fabregas plays when he is dictating attacks for Arsenal. In simple terms, he's become the provider from deep, rather that the goal scorer at the front of the 433. This all gets lost though in the AP IS SARAH PALIN! kind of posts.

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        1. jamsiep
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 10 months ago

          perceived

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          1. Hank
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 10 months ago

            Round we go, 5 goals 10 assists in... ah forget it.

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            1. Boom!!!
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 10 months ago

              in 1322 minutes 😉

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