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Sunday Dugout Discussion

2 September 2012 4238 comments
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Settle down, we’ve no less than three Premier League encounters to take us into Antiques Roadshow, with Fantasy points hopefully continuing to flow following yesterday’s drama. We’ve opened our Dugout Discussion chatroom to capture the real-time chatter, just in time for our first kick-off at Anfield, as Liverpool face the Gunners. Full line-ups here are…

Liverpool XI: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Sterling, Borini, Suarez.
Substitutes: Jones, Carragher, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Kelly, Coates.

Arsenal XI: Mannone, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Cazorla, Arteta, Diaby, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud, Podolski.
Substitutes: Koscielny, Martinez, Santos, Ramsey, Coquelin, Gervinho, Walcott.

Later today, we’re treated to Newcastle vs Villa and Southampton vs United at St Mary’s. With Carlos Tevez delivering on his captaincy promised yesterday, all eyes will now be on Robin Van Persie as he takes on the Saints as United’s chief goal threat in the absence of the injured Wayne Rooney.

Enjoy today’s games, we’ll see you on the other side with the Stock Check…

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Timmy Cahill Rules
    14 years, 2 months ago

    which 2 would you pick once kun is back

    A.Kun and Guthrie

    B. Pog and Hazard

    cheers

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    1. red beard
      14 years, 2 months ago

      c. stick with tevez and haz

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    2. Kagawa-san-mia
      14 years, 2 months ago

      B.
      Guthrie weakens A

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    3. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Even with Kun back Tevez will remain as central striker, Stick with Carlito

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  2. _Ninja_
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Nolan or Pienaar for most fantasy points this season?

    Same for Yaya or Kagawa?

    Cheers 🙂

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    1. Aaa fantasy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      noble + kags

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  3. the axolotl
    14 years, 2 months ago

    sahin and podolski have some history from bundesliga. funny video of sahin rubbing it in after scoring a goal;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZhHVtDhRw

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    1. Alan The Llama
      14 years, 2 months ago

      That's quality

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  4. Khazana
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Trying to fix on a wildcard team. I think this looks decent

    Jaas/ Bego

    Koscielny/ Rafael/ Ivanovic/ Hughes/ 4.0 Def

    Kagawasaki/ Cazorla/ Hazard/ Guthrie/ Michu

    Tevez/ Torres/ Fletch

    0.0 in the bank

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    1. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He he ... Cazorla love

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    2. LMFAO
      14 years, 2 months ago

      No RVP?

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      1. McDog
        14 years, 2 months ago

        I got a fright when I saw this in the recent comments 🙂

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  5. som3awy
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Wayne Rooney ‏@WayneRooney
    Diaby is a player don't know why he doesn't play more games

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    1. little_wizard123
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Good observation there.

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      1. Dale Cooper
        14 years, 2 months ago

        LOL.

        Diaby was very good a few years ago, before injuries kicked in. I think it was 2007/8, when he could be deadly going with power into penalty area.

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    2. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Last season he was stricken by injury wasn't he?

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    3. BigUps
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He's an injury risk. If he's healthy, he typically gets some play, but he's not healthy often.

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    4. Balotellitubbies
      14 years, 2 months ago

      What a doughnut, same reason he wont be playing for 6 weeks.

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      1. som3awy
        14 years, 2 months ago

        😀

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  6. SkyByBo
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Gerrard, the weak link in Liverpools team!

    Not a pass and move player, constantly gives the ball away. Hes always been about the long ball or the final through pass to a striker running off the last defender aka torres at his peak. Does not fit into this system at all.

    Liverpool also have a terrible bench, plan B is now at West Ham and plan A isnt working!

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Couldn't disagree more....

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      1. SkyByBo
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Gerrard has given the ball away more than anyone, at fault for the goal, and generally looks way past it.

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    2. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
      14 years, 2 months ago

      i agree about gerrard been finished since last season. no striker on the bench disappoints me

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    3. Somalion
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Disagree about Gerrard completely.

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    4. Gnubuntu
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Stevie G is a GENERAL!

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      1. SkyByBo
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Generally sh*t!

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        1. Gnubuntu
          14 years, 2 months ago

          Blasphemy. I'm an Arsenal fan by the way.

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      2. Bolt-on
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Was

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    5. Mr Ron Burgundy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      hes English thats why!.......we cant pass water never mind a 10yd ball!!!!

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    6. Stat virgin
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He's still a good player, but doesn't fit into a Rogers team at all, Allen is amazing though

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    7. scoopyb
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Agree, they are not a pass and move team.

      I feel for Brendan!

      so annoying to watch.

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    8. Third Eye Vision
      14 years, 2 months ago

      The red shite's bench is poor at the moment. Surely the no replacement for Carroll fiasco goes down as their biggest managerial mistake since Kenny's public backing of racism.

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  7. lfcserg
    14 years, 2 months ago

    any team news?

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  8. Nighthawk
    14 years, 2 months ago

    I hate the way Neville always says 'Gerrr-ard'.

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  9. tommo-uk-
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Anyone think Suarez is completely over rated?

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      14 years, 2 months ago

      No he's a world class player, just can't finish. He's having a stinker today. His first touch is awful.

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      1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
        14 years, 2 months ago

        If he can't finish, then he obviously isn't world class!

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        1. King Eric, in America
          14 years, 2 months ago

          Why don't people get this?

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          1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
            14 years, 2 months ago

            It perplexes me, as the concept is so simple! A striker that can't do his job, is obviously not world class, as a striker is supposed to be the best finisher in the team -- that is his job haha!

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    2. lfcserg
      14 years, 2 months ago

      No your just retarded, cause he played a shit 45 mins. Wake up to yourself

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      1. tommo-uk-
        14 years, 2 months ago

        He was poor last week aswell imo, so many better strikers out there. If he was World class he would be bagging 20+ goals a season, especially when you have someone like Gerrard just behind you.

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        1. DLL18
          14 years, 2 months ago

          He's playing in the wrong position, he needs someone in front of him to finish the chances.

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      2. King Eric, in America
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Good point, well made. 🙄

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    3. Portuguese&Proud
      14 years, 2 months ago

      if you put a decent striker in front of the men he will def created the chances, much harder when he plays the lone striker role

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    4. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Apparently he's better than RvP..

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      1. tommo-uk-
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Who said that?

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      2. Billy Gilmore
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Does he fart better? 😀

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    5. Kagawa-san-mia
      14 years, 2 months ago

      hands up
      all flash no end product

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    6. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Nope

      Its just that he cannot score

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      1. Kagawa-san-mia
        14 years, 2 months ago

        hes a striker so............

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          14 years, 2 months ago

          Scoring goals is not the only thing strikers are good for. He's more suited to a support striker role, like he plays for Uruguay.

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          1. Kagawa-san-mia
            14 years, 2 months ago

            overrated imo
            dives a lot too

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    7. Saint & Reevesy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He's nailed on at least.....

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    8. drughi
      14 years, 2 months ago

      no i think hes great always creating chances but he needs to step up his game when it comes to the last part which is putting the ball in the net.

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    9. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Needs a second striker alongside him

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    10. som3awy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Over rated? Are you drunk?

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    11. FORCA INTER
      14 years, 2 months ago

      no,i think that he is UNDER rated

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Ah, there you are. Does he fart better? 😛

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    12. The Light Knight
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He is a world class winger/creative midfielder being played as a striker

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      1. tommo-uk-
        14 years, 2 months ago

        lol at least we got a few replies to that comment 😉

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    13. Yes Don
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Well shite

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    14. Mr Ron Burgundy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      yes

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  10. Corrigan
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Gibbs nearly attacked Giroud there

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    1. drughi
      14 years, 2 months ago

      had he done the same if it was RVP ? hehe

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    2. som3awy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Yea lol

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    3. buachaillbui
      14 years, 2 months ago

      saw that,

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    4. Saint & Reevesy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      +1 he went nuts. Imagine if Giroud went nuts at him every time Gibbs was out of position!

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      1. tommo-uk-
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Is Gibbs having memory problems? He messed up 3 attacks that half with awful final balls!

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    5. Gnubuntu
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Deserved it though.

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    6. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Gibbs should take a look at his first half crosses and STFU

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      1. tommo-uk-
        14 years, 2 months ago

        +1

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  11. SouthCoastSaint
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Any other Yaya owners considering booting him if playing WC? (let me explain)

    If Aguero makes his return after the international break, you'd think Yaya wouldn't play so far forward. I don't think Citeh can afford to be so careless with their defending all season and I wouldn't be surprised to see Yaya sit further back.

    Thoughts? Its just a consideration.

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      I think I'll hang onto him until we actually see the switch as opposed trying to anticipating it. I think hes an old fashioned box to ox player who plays deep but also seems to get into the box loads....

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      1. An Púca
        14 years, 2 months ago

        when the Champions Lg starts, I expect to see him rested for a lot of prem lg games

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    2. tommo-uk-
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Surely Yaya cant keep scoring playing CDM. It amazes me as city have so many attacking players and he is scoring and assisting more than any of them. I dont have him as have just brought in Hazard for Bale.

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      1. SouthCoastSaint
        14 years, 2 months ago

        His goals have been right place at right time. I know you could argue its good positioning but I think that applies more to instinctive strikers.

        I'm planning to w/c and get Hazard, Cazorla, Barfa, Nolan and Maloney in my mid

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    3. Kingston
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Ya ya is waisted as a deep lying central midfielder.I'm pretty sure he'll continue in his usual box to box style

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    4. Aaa fantasy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      i think the solution to their defensive woes is simply to hold back on pushing forward the fullbacks. They look better when yaya toure does surge forward...so i think he's a good bet if you've got him. Having said that i don't have him in my team.

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    5. Manani
      14 years, 2 months ago

      DIABY FTW!

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  12. BigUps
    14 years, 2 months ago

    It would be interesting to see what Theo could do up top. I like Podolski out wide more than up top. Theo can't cross the ball and Gervinho is still there for a sub if Arsenal need a winger. Likely won't happen, but I'd be intrigued if it did.

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    1. SouthCoastSaint
      14 years, 2 months ago

      + loads. I have no idea why Wenger has never experimented properly. His crossing is awful. He lacks a footballing brain but has raw talent. Would be great down the middle

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      1. Trigg ⭐️
        14 years, 2 months ago

        For someone who turned Henry from a winger into a striker as well! Mystifying.

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      2. Saint & Reevesy
        14 years, 2 months ago

        He was great for us through the middle. Just having hat pace means hat defenders have to play 10 yards deeper so it give Cazorla loads more room too.

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        1. BigUps
          14 years, 2 months ago

          The entire team can't cross the ball a lick. I've never understood the desire for a target player up top. Arsenal need a David Silva type of attacker. One that continually tries to get behind defenses via the thru ball.

          Ironically, Suarez would be perfect.

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        2. Mr Ron Burgundy
          14 years, 2 months ago

          he cant finish thats why. Crossing a ball is easier and he struggles with that......and passing a 10yd ball!!

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  13. I taught Ashley Young how t…
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Diaby and Diame. Two of the most underrated premier league players?

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    1. SkyByBo
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Diaby has always been quality imo. Problem is, as soon as he gets into his stride he just gets injured. Far better player than arteta imo, much better athlete, great on the ball, can attack and defend. Real box to box mid.

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      1. BigUps
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Arteta is a better distributor than Diaby IMO. However, I don't like Arteta's lack of pace matched with Per's. It's a tough call. Diaby certainly adds much needed pace to the Arsenal defensive mid.

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    2. manu4life99
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Replace 'overrated' with 'similarly named'

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  14. Timmy Cahill Rules
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Do we think mata will stay as hazards side kick or has he been unlucky and will get in on hazards potential asissts soon.

    Could be a good differential

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    1. Timmy Cahill Rules
      14 years, 2 months ago

      down to 9.1 mil

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      1. SkyByBo
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Mata has been playing so deep, like a quarterback role.

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        1. Home Run Baker
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 2 months ago

          I'm not sure the analogy quite works

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          1. SkyByBo
            14 years, 2 months ago

            Picking up the ball from the defence and playing it into forward positions.... works ok in my book.

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  15. vodkapad
    14 years, 2 months ago

    I can see liverpool winning this

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    1. drughi
      14 years, 2 months ago

      2-1 liverpool

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  16. Hate that rotation
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Didn't watch Ligue 1 last year, is Giroud's style more suited to lots of crosses into the box and lots of long balls played upto him or can he play the short sharp passing game and anticipate the through balls?

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
      14 years, 2 months ago

      more of a crosses into the box

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      1. David Davros
        14 years, 2 months ago

        His movement looks great. Just doesn't look confident

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        1. SouthCoastSaint
          14 years, 2 months ago

          Lacks confidence yes but I think he's been ambling around so far

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          1. Billy Gilmore
            14 years, 2 months ago

            Yeah he got beaten to the ball from behind by Skrtel.

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            1. SouthCoastSaint
              14 years, 2 months ago

              Yeah I saw that. Donkey

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      2. Hate that rotation
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Bit of a problem then, Arsenal not known for their crossing game. Giroud will have to adjust or Arsenal will have to.

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    2. Balotellitubbies
      14 years, 2 months ago

      From what I saw on youtube he is a very good header of the ball and tends to rifle them in early with his left, maybe he just needs to settle.

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    3. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      It's suited for American football size goals.

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  17. red beard
    14 years, 2 months ago

    how did johnson look for sunderland yesterday?

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    1. Tatty Bojangles
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Good but McClean looked better.

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  18. Louis Van Balls
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Bale captain and only 12 points and I want to cry. Worst GW EVER!

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    1. Alan The Llama
      14 years, 2 months ago

      It's karma because of your link

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      1. Saint & Reevesy
        14 years, 2 months ago

        +100000

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      2. Mr Ron Burgundy
        14 years, 2 months ago

        +1000

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    2. Nighthawk
      14 years, 2 months ago

      12? Hahaha!!

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      1. Schwarzer
        14 years, 2 months ago

        That's hilarious! Poor thing 😛

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  19. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Love how Cammy tries to look seductive in the H&S commercial. Gets me all tingly! 🙂

    Then that shouty Italian comes on and I want to pull out my eyeballs and stick them in my ears.

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    1. DLL18
      14 years, 2 months ago

      H&S, it's Ladbrokes you twonk.

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      1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Is it really!?! 😆 should've kept my eyeballs in longer!

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  20. buachaillbui
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Missed most of the match flicking between other sports, has Sahin done much?

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    1. Nighthawk
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Who?

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  21. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Ryan? 46-52

    Tight.

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Cazorla doing the business.

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Need a liverpool goal. Don't mind if it doesn't happen though :p

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    2. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Yeah it will go to the wire

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  22. Manani
    14 years, 2 months ago

    what is people predicting to be the final score?
    1-1?

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    1. takemehome
      14 years, 2 months ago

      i backed the draw and united and newcastle win

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      1. King Nemanja
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Me too

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    2. Saint & Reevesy
      14 years, 2 months ago

      1-2 Gerrard to equalise, Carzorla winner (free kick)

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    3. FORCA INTER
      14 years, 2 months ago

      3-1 liverpool

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 2 months ago

        Really? Arsenal looking like a very organised team.

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    4. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      2-0 to the Arsenal

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    5. Manani
      14 years, 2 months ago

      😆
      so conclusion is no one knows 😀

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  23. Dynamic
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Button wins 😀

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    1. MICHELIN
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Räikkönen?

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      1. Dynamic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 2 months ago

        3rd I think

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    2. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 2 months ago

      😀

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  24. Dynamic
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Skrtel yellow

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  25. SouthCoastSaint
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Maicon and Garcia for Citeh.

    How will they fit in Citeh fans?!

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    1. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      14 years, 2 months ago

      I'm obviously not one, but by my reckoning a 352 is on the cards. First choice mid 3 would be Yaya, Garcia, Silva flanked by Maicon and Kolarov.

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      1. Mr Ron Burgundy
        14 years, 2 months ago

        except when they play Tottenham for obvious "Bale" related reasons!

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  26. SPorting
    14 years, 2 months ago

    the way it's going, The only move I'll be making this week is Kaca > Sterling.

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  27. JELLYFISH
    14 years, 2 months ago

    57pts so far with 3 still to play. Come on Pod, one more in the second half pls.....

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  28. COMH
    14 years, 2 months ago

    Massive mistake from Rodgers to let Carroll leave. Borini is not good enough to lead the line.

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    1. Somalion
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Honestly don't think Carroll would suit this team either. Think Borini was not the best of buys but could come good, think they should have aimed for someone better though. If they had managed to get Llorente that would have been an absolutely perfect signing. Cost too much for them though.

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    2. THE Wild Rover
      14 years, 2 months ago

      No fwds on the bench

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    3. DLL18
      14 years, 2 months ago

      He's not Suarez is.

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    4. Billy Gilmore
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Suarez is. Borini's playing on the wing.

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  29. Saint & Reevesy
    14 years, 2 months ago

    SOUTHCOAST- what do you make of the ox since he left us?

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    1. SouthCoastSaint
      14 years, 2 months ago

      Has appeared from the bench a lot. Not the impact I thought he would make. Good business for us but I'd still like to have kept him!

      Can you imagine if we had Bale, Walcott and the Ox back? And maybe Crouch? Wowza

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  30. Dale Cooper
    14 years, 2 months ago

    I'd like to see Coquelin stepping in at some point of the season. He has a great potential, reseambles Flamini in his final year at Arsenal. Hopefully not when it'll come to contract negotiations.

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