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Our fourth article focussing on the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) Player List is rolled out this evening. With the Goalkeepers analysis followed by articles on the Budget and Mid-Price backline options, we this time turn to the premium priced defenders on offer for the season ahead:

Jose Mourinho’s return to Stamford Bridge means the Chelsea backline is currently a source of uncertainty for Fantasy managers. While Petr Cech is nailed-on in goal and Ashley Cole (6.5) looks certain to retain the left-back role, the attacking potential offer up by both David Luiz and Branislav Ivanovic would be preferable – with both players setting us back 6.5, though, it’s very much a case of “wait and see” over the pre-season. There’s the hope that Cesar Azpilicueta, at 6.0, can nail down the right-back berth – having produced six assists in his debut season, the Spaniard’s contribution down the flank could prosper in either a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Alternatively, Mourinho could reinstall the similarly priced John Terry (6.0) as a regular at the heart of his defence once again.

Unsurprisingly, Leighton Baines has been handed the highest valuation of any defender after racking up 177 points in the season gone by. At 7.5, the Everton full-back could be moved to the left of Roberto Martinez’s midfield in a 3-4-3 for the season ahead – while this would undoubtedly further his points potential, Seamus Coleman, at 5.0, could offer superior value in spite of Baines’ spot-kicks and set-piece duties. Indeed, a mooted move to United would likely see him stripped of penalties, with a decrease in corners and set-pieces also on the cards should he join up with David Moyes again. Surprisingly, despite his superb season, Baines would have ranked as the fifth highest defender in the new Bonus Points System (BPS) – he was top for bonus in the old EA PPI based system, by comparison.

Liverpool trio Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger and Jose Enrique all come in at 6.0. All three exceed 130+ points last time out, with Enrique just eight points behind Johnson despite playing seven games less – of the trio, it was Agger who would have finished highest in new BPS, though. When applied to last season’s games, the Dane finished third top for defenders in the BPS, with Johnson in ninth – this could well be significant, given Agger picked up just eight bonus points in the old system in 2012/13. A regular role for the 5.0 priced Kolo Toure would see many set their targets on the Ivorian, though, while both Liverpool keepers also come in at 5.5.

Vincent Kompany (6.5) remains the costliest backline option at City, with full-backs Pablo Zabaleta and Gael Clichy both coming in at 6.0. The question remains whether the Etihad side will remain as resolute at the back with new boss Manuel Pellegrini determined to go on the offensive – if City fail to mirror the 18 clean sheet returns and mere 34 goals against harvested under Roberto Mancini’s final year at the helm, Matija Nastasic (5.5) is a less-expensive gamble.

Elsewhere in Manchester, United have four defenders priced at 6.0 or over. Providing Baines doesn’t make the Old Trafford switch, Patrice Evra looks the most reliable in terms of game time – the Frenchman remains firmly ahead of Alex Buttner in the left-back pecking order and while he’s the costliest backline option for David Moyes’ side at 6.5, his four goals and six assists in 2012/13 highlight Evra’s attacking appeal. Intriguingly, similar to Baines, he doesn’t far quite as well in the BPS – he was ranked second for PPI last year but would have been seventh highest backline option under the BPS scoring system. As witnessed towards the final few months of Sir Alex Ferguson’s time in charge, Phil Jones’ (6.0) versatility could prove crucial, with the former Blackburn man offering the Red Devils options at right-back, centre-half and central midfield but we’ve yet to see where he fits into Moyes’ plans. Rafael and Nemanja Vidic also come in at 6.0 – the right-back could well be a secure starter under the new manager and if Vidic can keep injury-free, he’s another who could thrive under the new Bonus Point System.

Finally, Tottenham pair Kyle Walker and Jan Vertonghen are the last two defenders in our analysis. The former’s consistency of starts, in addition to six assists from the previous year harvested 116 points but, at 6.0, he’s likely to convince few Fantasy managers into taking a punt, with better value available elsewhere. Vertonghen started last season at 6.5 but has risen to 7.0 this time round, having produced five goals and three assists in his debut campaign at White Hart Lane. The Belgian’s all-round game looks set to be significantly rewarded by the new Bonus Points System – not only would he have finished top defender and number one Tottenham player (by a considerable margin over Gareth Bale) in 2012/13, Vertonghen would have been second overall only to Robin Van Persie in the BPS rankings.

Indeed, the comparison with Bale is particularly key and suggests the Welshman may struggle to earn maximum bonus with such regularity – a crucial factor when deciding on the armband. Last season Bale bettered his team-mate by 709 points to 479 points in the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index and subsequently racked up 50 bonus points to Vertonghen’s 12 but under the new system, the Belgian’s all-round game see him come out top by 289 points to 209. We’ll have a more detailed analysis of the brand new Bonus Points System in an upcoming article.

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  1. Larry
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Ruddy Boruc
    Collins Mertesacker Coleman Parr Clyne
    Hazard Bale Kagawa Koren Ben Arfa
    Giroud Anelka Aguero

    Too much saints??

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  2. Damo.
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Wish I had stated my Ba back to Newcastle inkling

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  3. seanc
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    What are your thoughts on Benteke this season following his contract extension? I don't think he's going to have the same motivation this year...

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    1. Left Peg
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Hard to know really. He's probably getting paid more and will be guaranteed first-team football. If he has another cracking season then I'm sure someone will come knocking. Surely that's enough motivation?

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      1. seanc
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        It seemed like last season was all he needed to show his potential, and now perhaps he is a little tired of Villa?

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    2. sigaam
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      12 years, 5 months ago

      I think his pricetag was set to make sure he'd be correctly priced if such a move as to Tottenham or another club bigger than a-villa would/will happen.

      I think he is overpriced if he stays.

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      1. seanc
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Yes I'm thinking his current price is a little high... I don't see him getting much service from their existing players.

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    3. jam
      • 15 Years
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      I think he's made it clear he wants to go to a 'big' club, any one will do, contract extn or no, so I'd say he's still motivated but the £9m FPL price is not really value in my book

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    4. jas5sk - Youtube channel
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Straight into my lineup

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  4. CostaCoffee
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Coutinho or Nolan

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    1. sigaam
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      nolan and sturridge? if Carrol is fit for fight GW1, Nolan could be nice to have in your team.

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Hard to compare when priced differently. You get what you pay for most likely.

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  5. CostaCoffee
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Giroud or Benteke (Benteke signed a new contract)

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    1. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Benteke, but preferably I think it would be better to wait and monitor his form before putting him in

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    2. Thick Of It
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Are Villa a blank for gw 3?

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      1. Konig Luther
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        because will have a dgw

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        1. Thick Of It
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          Is it confirmed yet?

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  6. jam
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone else a bit wary of picking spanish internationals ie Silva, Mata? They looked knackered at the confed cup & I expect will be introduced sparingly to start with

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  7. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    well worth a read... cant wait for the new season now...

    http://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2013/july/roberto-de-fanti-exclusive

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    1. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Where does Cabral play?

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      1. 1justlookin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        centre mid. really looking forward to seeing him in our side. was a bit if a coup for us.

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    2. Left Peg
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Interesting read. Thanks.

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  8. OptimusBlack
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Why no one talking about Fellaini and just get Mirallas ??

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    1. CostaCoffee
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      1m cheaper and on form

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      1. OptimusBlack
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        okay thanks

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    2. jam
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Mirallas now classed as a mid compared to FOR last season

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    3. Rtas
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      I don't think we know where Fellaini will play either, could quite easily play in the holding role

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    4. Heytch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      MIrallas a forward back to midfield classification and Fellaini back to playing deeper centre mid

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    5. OptimusBlack
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      thanx all

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  9. CostaCoffee
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Giroud, Benteke or Sturridge ???

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    1. Del Monte
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      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      giroud with the early fixtures

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    2. Real Champion
      • 14 Years
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      Sturridge.

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  10. keiweb
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Help. Snodgrass and Walcott or lampard and pienarr ??
    And is havin a good mid price keeper an essential ala 5.5 price?

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    1. AK ⭐
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Snodgrass and Theo by a mile.\\

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    2. Michu Picchu
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      A and no

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  11. Big_Andy_GAWA
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Is anyone considering Weiman if Villa have a DGW 1st week? I currently have him in my team...

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    1. Darth
      • 14 Years
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      How much is he?

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      1. Big_Andy_GAWA
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        He's only 6 mill.

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        1. Darth
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          Think I would prefer Rodriguez for that price

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      2. jas5sk - Youtube channel
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        He's 6.0mil.

        Probably better off getting Gabby instead, if Benteke is too much.

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    2. jas5sk - Youtube channel
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Was considering when I thought Benteke was leaving; now, not at all. Get Bentekkers instead.

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    3. Holy See
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Why get Weiman if Benteke stays? Why man? 😉

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      1. jam
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        I get it

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      2. Big_Andy_GAWA
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        3 mill difference is why 😉

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  12. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Imo, Inspirational Moyes might turn him into the new Victor Anichebe - maybe 5 goals next season.

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Him = Danny Welbeck

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    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Danny Welbeck
      Danny Graham
      Danny Dyer

      😐 🙂

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  13. CostaCoffee
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on Graham at Hull

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    1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      *Hull won't score many goals*

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      1. The Shadow
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Graham will fit right in then.

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  14. Ginkapo FPL
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Does anyone have a record of baps in specific GW's? Thinking turdbird or Chelsea Harbour might

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Bap Chap predictions;

      GW26-30 on Uefa Council.
      GW31-36 on Stock Check articles.

      Before that they will be in his comment history 😀

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    2. Heytch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      turd's all over that Gink... actually GW breakdowns...
      http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/201213FPLplayerhistories/201213FPLplayerhistories

      that's last years bonus though. you talking about new BPs backdated to last year's matches? because i'm working on something like that now that FPL posted new system BPs

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        I shall spend some time tomorrow working out new baps backdated for 0-0 draws. Just checking the control data is available before I do so.

        Thx for this

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        1. Heytch
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          i think i just realised from your bapchap reference that you are actually looking for GW1-38 list of baps.

          turds stuff is by player filter. has every GW though

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          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 5 months ago

            Yeah it'll be fine to filter. As long as its available I am happy doing some donkey work.

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            1. In Tommy We Trust
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 5 months ago

              Scout got some articles for the weekend on the subject. Told me I would be wasting my time doing it today 🙁

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              1. Ginkapo FPL
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 5 months ago

                Meh, I have to prove my point now, have said too much not to.

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      2. Left Peg
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Corrr, I've been wanting to get my grubby hands of this sort of stuff. Awesome!

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  15. /
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    I still have big (current) decision that I just can't seem to make; Mirallas or Nolan?

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    1. /
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      *a big

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    2. Ibrahim Ag Alhabib
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Is Mirallas nailed on?

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    3. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Mirrallas easy

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    4. Michu Picchu
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Mirallas for away game coverage

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    5. /
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      West Ham have some sweet looking fixtures

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      1. Michu Picchu
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Nolan only scores at home

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        1. Michu Picchu
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          unlike Rooney

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  16. Shakshuka
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    So what do you guys think of my Baines/Bale/RVP draft?

    Boruc Mannone
    Baines Collins Garrido Chester Turner(Car)
    Bale Silva Kaca Mirallas Thomas
    RVP Giroud JRod

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    1. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Loose Baines

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    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Baines #3 of your must haves?
      Mines Hazzarrrrrr

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    3. jam
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      strikes me as a bit of a 3-3-2 formation in terms of players you would pick week in week out

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    4. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Pink Floyd: Meddle. I approve.

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  17. 22GJ22
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Rate this Team

    Foster (Jakupovic)

    Mertesacker Jose Enrique Collins Coleman (Shit sub Player)

    Hazard Silva Bale Cole Snodgrass

    RVP (2 x Shit Sub Players)

    Reckon this will be my final team.

    Any tips??????

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    1. Shakshuka
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      I prob woudnt go with 2 x shit sub players up top

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    2. Michu Picchu
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      to much money in your defenders if you want RVP and Bale

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    3. jam
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      hard to fault it mate unless of course you get an injury/red card + as it stands I think Chelsea don't play in Wk3

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      1. trikster102
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        As it stands they do play in wk3. No dgw announced yet, i'm sure it will do.

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  18. jam
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone signed up for this 'KPI's yet in the members area, any interesting results?

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Are you not joining? Well worth it.

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      1. jam
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        might have to, want to check things like who were the best players in the last 2 months of last season, that to me is more relevant than 'total score'

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        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          It's all there. All the other features are being updated too.
          Comparison tool is great when deciding.

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    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Not yet, but I will shortly.

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  19. Red Highlander
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Suggestion/Comments on the below please?

    Boruc / (4)

    Clyne /Shaw / Vertonghen /Cuellar / O'Shea

    Bale / Hazard / Coutinho / Thomas /Koren

    RVP / Kone /Gayle

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    1. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Kone and gayle weak

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  20. Marco Del Wattsio
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Is there somewhere I can see where if this seasons BPS were added instead of of last years how many last years players would of scored\? Would make good reading. cheers

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  21. Ash11
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    RMT:
    Boruc
    Nastasic/ Kaboul/ Shaw
    Chamberlain/ Hazard/ Bale/ Coutinho/ Ben Arfa
    Sturridge/ Rooney

    Rip it to shreds just a draft!

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Ox made me stop.

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    2. Darth
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Chamberlain not nailed on, Rooney ok as long as he moves to Chelsea or Arsenal

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      1. Ash11
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Chamberlains breakout season IMO

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    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Sky game?

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      1. Ash11
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        No my bench is horrible. Full of 4.0's and 4.5's

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  22. The Red Gurnard
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on this or do you think it is too similar to a lot of teams?

    Boruc/Foster
    Luiz/turner/turner/Collins/Coleman
    Bale/Hazard/Walcott/Mirallis/Thomas
    Aguero/Graham/J Rod

    I feel like I should be taking more of a risk somewhere.

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  23. Stefan Schnoor
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    any ideas on how i can improve this, keep playing around but keep coming back to this:

    Boruc / Foster
    Collins / Alcaraz / Clyne / Turner / Chester
    Bale / Hazard / Snodgrass / Mirallas / Thomas
    RVP / Giroud / Rodriguez

    Concerned about the lack of City cover, but cant fit one in anywhere!

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  24. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    YESSSSSSSSSSS

    He's finally gone!

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8832005/?

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    1. Smarty Pants
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Only 2 years ago:
      "Santos arrives at the Emirates having made 52 appearances over two seasons for the Turks, notching an impressive 10 goals on the way. He arrived at Fenerbache in 2009, plucked from Corinthians where he made 59 appearances, finding the net on 9 occasions.

      Those statistics provide a good insight into a player who possesses a superb left-foot which can often provide a potent attacking weapon. His swashbuckling style is Inevitably compared Roberto Carlos; Santos ironically replaced the Brazilian legend when he arrived at Fenerbache". 😆

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2011/08/31/window-watch-andre-santos-to-arsenal/?hc_page=1&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comments

      😆 at Applebonkers fail in the comments

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  25. King Kohli
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Appreciate your thoughts on both these teams.

    A) Mannone / Boruc
    Nastasic / M.Turner / Collins / Faye / Parr
    Bale / Gerrard / Hazard / Walcott / Thomas
    Aguero / Rodriguez / Kone

    B) Boruc / Davis
    M.Turner / Toure / Alcaraz / Chester / Collins
    Bale / Lampard / Silva / Nolan / Thomas
    Van Persie / Rodriguez / Giroud

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  26. Ibrahim Ag Alhabib
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Midfield and Strikers- RMT

    Hazard/Kagawa/Bale/Walcott/Colback
    Jovetic or Negredo/Van Wolfswinkel/Jrod

    Rip it to pieces, the more criticism the better as only a first draft.

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    1. Real Champion
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Kagawa to Snodgrass, VW to Giroud/Sturridge?

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  27. Real Champion
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Deulofeu? Will he play, and is he any good?

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      probably not a lot initially and yes

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  28. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Well it's a start, new team name...Negreedy ole stars....

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      spoon feed it to me?:)

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        play on Negredo's name...

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        1. Optimus.
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          ah..slow on the uptake tonight

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          1. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 5 months ago

            haha...oh and the fact that Spanish must surely be the first language around the Etihad nowadays...

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    2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      One for the Star Wars fans...
      Negreedo shoots second

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        ????....never seen a single star wars film in my life...

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  29. Del Monte
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Marquinhos to PSG for 27mil

    Thoughts?

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    1. The Shadow
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      I hope it bumps his value in the UEFA transfer simulator game.

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  30. Spencer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 14 Years
    12 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone considering good old Charlie Adam?

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Wrong season.

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      1. Spencer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        You don't think he could be "reborn" under Mark Hughes?

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        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          Think there will be cheaper players that out score him.

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    2. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      When Stoke's fixtures get better I will definitely have him on the watchlist. Once he doesn't start with the dodgey tackles again

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    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      He's in my Sky team.

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    4. AK ⭐
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      Hi Spencer, did you look a bit more into the cheap rotation midfield? 🙂

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      1. Spencer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 5 months ago

        Always thinking about it, but there are just too many uncertainties at the moment. Thinkings at the moment:

        - would love Kacaniklic to become nailed on
        - Brady is a better option over Koren
        - Campana might be the Palace cheapie to have

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        1. AK ⭐
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 5 months ago

          I looked at Campana's stats in the U21 world cup, and I am really not very keen on him. I checked randomly, 4 matches in which Spain won, and there were hardly 3 or 4 shots he took, and majority off target, all taken out of the box.

          Why is Brady a better option over Koren?

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          1. Spencer
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            • 14 Years
            12 years, 5 months ago

            Koren has penalties, but I think Hull's goals/chances will come from free kicks and corners.

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    5. Michu Picchu
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 5 months ago

      to expensive to rotate and I didn't feel comfortable starting him every week. On my watch list though

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