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26 June 2016 1761 comments
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Sunday’s third and final fixture sees Hungary and Belgium do battle for the right to take on Wales in the Euro 2016 quarter-finals.

Having bounced back from an opening loss to Italy with wins over Republic of Ireland and Sweden, Belgium are regarded as favourites for the top half of the draw.

The Red Devils were placed fourth for shots on goal over the group stages, though found the net on just four occasions with big-hitters Kevin de Bruyne and Eden Hazard yet to open their accounts in the tournament.

Bernd Storck’s side will be no pushovers, though. Despite firing far less attempts than their opponents across the first three matches (35 to 56), Hungary registered just one attempt on target fewer, firing 16 to Belgium’s 17.

Joint-top scorers with Wales for the group stages, their three-goal salvo against Portugal last time out certainly suggests this evening’s match could be tighter than many expect.

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  1. FIFA King
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Why hasn't KDB been given the second assist?

    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      *sigh*

    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      STOP

    3. kalmoffit
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Didn't provide enough assistance?

    4. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      This question will probably top the next page too 😀

  2. Mind över Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Lukaku (c), annoying!

    Dier to go.

    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Scraping down the bowl

    2. Total Foot 5
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      same. did u have either haz or kdb also?

  3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I have to admit the rule is very sketchy

    what does a solo/run dribble mean really? Does it mean a player has to beat 1 man? 2 men? 3 men. Does the dribble/solo run have to be 10+ yards

    the fact we do not know this makes them not giving an assist very controversial I agree

    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      although according to the rule at this very moment it is not an assist I would like clarity on this

    2. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It means that if he dispossesses someone and then scores, he won't be awarded an assist

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        interesting point. My first view it was if a player passes to a player and then the player goes on a run all by himself and beats the defenders then scores although you could have a point

        1. BigManBakar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Well if what you're saying is true, then this in itself is self-contradictory:

          "A player will be credited with a goal assist when he delivers/plays the final pass, cross, header or shot which leads to the goal being scored."

        2. sinik
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          That's how I see it, and I agree it is vague.

          It is something I've found issue with in the past though. For example a player could receive the ball in his box, run nearly 200 yards beating the rest of the team and the original player would be given an assist though he didn't do anything for the goal itself.

          1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I remember a certain dele alli assist last season where he just basically kept the ball in and then I think it was chadli who dribbled and hit a fantastic shot

            think it was v palace

            1. BigManBakar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Alli did the same when Kane scored at WHL against Arsenal too.

              Another one I vaguely remember is Kane's for Lamela against Watford when he basically laid the ball off to him at half line and then Lamela sprinted the entire length of the half and scored

              1. sinik
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Yep, the definition could do with some sort of boundary/threshold.

              2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
                • 15 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                It is mildly frustrating this rule is different from every other game I agree
                I don't even think this rule applies in euro cl fantasy game

      2. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        That's not what the rule says though.

        1. BigManBakar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          That's the logical interpretation of it, surely?

  4. KingNidge
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I think Bemba is right

    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      OMG 😯

  5. Meimei
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Wales can you stop us !!

  6. Dušan Citizen
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone know where is Daniel?

    I haven't seen him for a month.

    1. George Sillett
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Summer off I think. Either that or after David Cameron's old job.

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      had a bad season, probably taking a break

      I wish I did too but now I am stuck with this silly game

  7. BB-8
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    No assist is giving to A PLAYER who creates his OWN goalscoring opportunity.
    Talking about one player, i.e goalscorer, i.e HAZARD.
    So KDB should, according to the rules be given the assist.

  8. Planet Jo
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    If Belgium has a weakness it's the colours of their strip.

    Reminds me of that liquorice allsort that was left in the tin at the end because no-one wanted it.

  9. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Portugal in the quarters and havent won a game in 90

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      They haven't lost a game either.

    2. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don't want to peak to soon they will put Poland to the sword within 90 imo

    3. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I thought Croatia were going to beat them . Sitting back and trying to hit teams has worked for Leicester . Greece won it by being organised and set pieces .

    4. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A sign of weakness or a sign of strength?

    5. kalmoffit
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lulling the others into underestimating them.

  10. Weeb Kakashi
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Any defence to double up in the quarters on WC?

  11. RMA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Given how the rules are worded, it can only be understood as the goalscorer himself doesn't get the assist.

    Unless it's a grammatical error, but to my knowledge the language on the UEFA website is pretty spot on? So the assist will probably be added manually - it just wasn't awarded because of wherever they take their data from.

    1. sinik
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      All other data sources seemed to credit KDB with the assist though.

  12. Fifa las vegas
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Gutted for the boys in green today, from what I could see of the game at work, they played their hearts out and were unlucky in many ways.

    1. andy85wsm
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      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Probably not unlucky in the end, beaten by the better team.

      Was always going to be tough to defend deep against France for so long.

      1. Fifa las vegas
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Well true, but it could've been 2-0 at half time also, which might have been a very different team.

        1. Camp No No
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          It could at least as well have been 1-1 at the half time. 🙄

          1. Fifa las vegas
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Yeah but I'm speaking from an Irish perspective and therefore have the blinkers on 😉

    2. Fifa las vegas
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      On a more selfish note, my patriotism may have cost me to 20 in the Irish fantasy game where the prize is 3000! Had Griezmann for all three first games, yet was to green to get him today when about only 2 of top 20 had him today 🙁

    3. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I don't think we were unlucky . It was a fantastic first half performance but France out played us in the second half and the sending off killed the game .

      1. Holy See
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yup, that's about the size of it. The sending off killed it, but France had become dominant by then. Can see them conceding more to better teams. Not many better than Ireland tho 😉

        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          True 🙂 . Very proud of the performance overall . Lads did us proud .

  13. JamesBrown0610
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone thinking of emailing the McDonalds fantasy team about the KDB assist? Or is that taking things a bit too far here hahahaha

    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      You are posting on a fantasy football site I think taking things too far is in the rear view mirror 😉

    2. Smarty Pants
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Just go to Burger King as a sign of protest.

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        😆 . Arsenal fans tried that with Costa coffee but it went nowhere .

  14. Jay_
      9 years, 8 months ago

      At least 11 players through for me, 13 if England progress. Lucky as I blew my WC. How many for you lads?

      1. andy85wsm
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Everyone except Rami and Perisic so far I think.

        Just Dier and Glaccherini to go.

      2. Big Sum
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        10+3

      3. BigManBakar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        12/13 through with Alli and Walker to go. But I own Rami as well who will be suspended, so that is technically 11/13 with Alli and Walker to go.

      4. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        At least 11 (discounting Rami) and I have a WC in the bag to boot

      5. Holy See
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If England go through, I'll just have lost Perisic, & Rami to suspension I think. WC gone too. 4 free transfers to mess it up tho, look forward to that! Huzzah!

      6. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        10 out of 12 so far, WC left but it doesn't matter much as I barely can find any points outside CS's.

      7. KingNidge
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        McGovern and Randolph gone... still got WC

      8. TJ_777
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Just Dzsudzak and Perisic unless England and Spain lose then pique morata and Dier are gone

      9. Meimei
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Rami Rakitic Perisic so three. Dier to play. Also no WC.

      10. Les Bleus
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Everyone except Rami and Perisic with Juanfran to go.

    • AbsoluteDON
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Dier or Alli for last chance captaincy !?

      1. Jay_
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Alli if you're chasing as he may not even start but could grab a brace if he does, Dier is the conservative approach.

        • Meimei
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Dier. Also can get a brace, just need one goal for a massif 12 points.

        • Odikostar
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Dier

      2. Bøwstring The Carp
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Think this is a good debate, fantasy aside.

        As TM says on the last page "If someone goes on a 80m solo run from a 1m pass, should it be an assist?"

        Well imo yes. The person who gave the ball had the option to make a different pass, maybe back to a defender, or to a different player. So without that pass, whether it was 1m or a 20m long ball over the top, he provided the pass that created the goal.

        If KDB had passed it backwards, Hazard would not have scored. Point is that De Bruyne DID pass it to Hazard and as a result, Hazard scored from the choice he made to pass it. Hence he ASSISTED the goal.

        It's so clear cut and straight-forward that we shouldn't even be discussing it, yet here we are 😕

        1. Jay_
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I think it will be given after the update but not fussed if it isn't.

          • Adam West - Team Serbia for…
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I think there are enough debates about assists already . People will say black is white if there are points at stake .

            1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I didn't see the goal what happened exactly ?

              1. Bøwstring The Carp
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                De Bruyne played a nice through ball to Hazard on the left who dribbled it, cut inside and scored to the bottom right corner

                But apparently because Hazard dribbled it enough, KDB loses his assist 🙄

                Load of balls

                1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                  • 15 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  When I think of assists when watching football I think of Beckham whipping in a cross and putting it on a players ahead or Ozil with a slide rule pass through the middle . Fpl or any fantasy game cannot work like that . Assists have to be given in such situations imo in order to avoid confusion.

                  1. BigManBakar
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    +1.

              2. Jay_
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Counter attack, KDB is in his own half, passes a direct pass with a hint of a through ball about it to Hazard on the left wing just outside of the final third, he runs forwards, checks inside and skims past a few defenders sideways before passing the ball into net.

                  1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                    • 15 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    I would say assist

                  2. Odikostar
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    Lukaku would't have made it you know

              3. Odikostar
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Black=white, UEFA is racist

                1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                  • 15 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Do that many people have KDB captain anyway ? . I'd say 50 or so people on here and a few mini league rivals captained him and a tiny percentage actually captained him overall 🙂

                  1. Creedey
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    I captained him!! 😀

              4. BigManBakar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Hahaha so true. 🙂

            2. Meimei
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I agree with you.

          • drinkup245
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Should I capt dier or llalana tmrw? Trying to protect a lead, nearest rival has no choice but to capt dier.

            1. Meimei
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Really ? Dier for obvious reasons

          • OPTA FPL
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            ://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2016/06/26/draftkings-sunday-player-picks-2/?hc_page=4#hc_comment_13492781

            So simple 😎
            http://i.imgur.com/Ue7QRJt.jpg

              1. Cheeseoid
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Very well done!

          • andy85wsm
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            KDB assist awarding is in progress

            1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              😆

            2. KingNidge
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Come back later for your KDB assist lol

            3. Clutch13
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              This

            4. Zasa
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Just called my local McDonald's, can confirm.

            5. kalmoffit
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Can they give Hummels his too.

          • sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            56 points so far, Dier to play tomorrow. Pretty happy with that, thanks senor cappo Hazard for saving my matchday.

            Have useless DDG on the bench too thanks to Hennessey performing lol

            1. KingNidge
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Good call mate

              1. sinik
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                disastrous without it..so many blanks 😐

                1. KingNidge
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Had Haz myself but also Ozil and Muller captain so it's on to Kane tomorrow to save my sorry ass

                  1. sinik
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    yeah I was a bit drunk last night and said "eff it, I don't have money on this, let's enjoy the late game more!" and passed on Payet/Ozil/Muller for cap lol

                    good luck tomorrow Nidge!

                    1. KingNidge
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 8 months ago

                      Cheers bud

          • TJ_777
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Lol Uefa is high they just gave all my players double points

          • willl
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Think I've come up with a good use of my 4 FT, with my wildcard ready to be used for the semi finals.

            This is what I currently have:

            Hennessey / DDG
            Hector / Jed / Taylor / Dier / Meunier
            KDB / Kroos / Rakitic / Perisic / Payet
            Bale / Muller / Lukaku

            The transfers I am thinking of doing are:

            Rakitic > Hazard
            Perisic > Draxler
            Muller > Gomez
            Lukaku > Griezzman

            Unless I have made an error in my calculations, I should have enough to do this unless their are massive price changes, as I have 0.3m in the bank.

            Leaves me with 1 player on MD1, 6 on MD2, 5 on MD3 assuming Spain go through, and 3 on MD4.

            Any thoughts?

          • milanista10
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Forget that I have KDB (C), but if this assist wasn't given, it would make nearly 50% of the assists given very shaky (dribble / creating your own chance are very general terms), also what people are mentioning here clearly shows that the scorer will never be awarded an assist for the same goal he scored (you can't assist yourself)..

            1. sinik
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              a) the rule could do with definition clarification anyhow. there are a lot of TERRIBLE assists given where the 'assister' really did nothing to create the goal.
              b) people are spending a lot of time dissecting what is possibly just a grammatical error
              c) what happened to your grav?

              1. milanista10
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                A&B) let's wait and see what McDonald's decide to do.. However as things stand it wouldn't be wise not to award the assist there as it will make lots of goals controversial decisions later on (especially that it's not clearly stated what is an assist and what is not)!
                C) I'm a different Milanista.. Should get a grav soon 🙂

          • Rowse
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            The psychology of more early playing players

            I was deciding whether to stick with Bale (c) or twist today, as was everybody else. Most of the advice on here was if you are top of your ML stick, if you are behind then twist.

            I was top, but after yesterday I was 10 points behind. This is because my rivals had loads of players playing, and I only had 2! I still however found myself looking for a differential captain to catch back up, when I didn't really need to do anything crazy.

            I'm wondering if this psychology can be used against my ML opponents? Say for the quarters and semis, get all my players to be in the first game (or two for the quarters), with my bench players from the latter games. I can then rack up a good score/lead, and pressure them into going for a crazy captain choice to try and catch me back up, or making them twist on a 5/6 because they don't think it is enough.

            A valid tactic or pie in the sky?

            1. sinik
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              The important question is, are your ML opponents as obsessed as you/us? These 'mind games' people bring up (like starting blankers in FPL for example) are usually for nought because most other people simply don't care as much lol

              1. Rowse
                • 16 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                I'm pretty sure they are members on here as their teams are pretty template, so they could be talked into doing something silly by the crowd!

                1. sinik
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  haha good luck then! it could work but it's a bit convoluted 😉

              2. Odikostar
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                This, my rivals don't even check my team on a regular basis...

          • andy85wsm
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Whether the assist gets awarded or not I'm glad I outscored Bale's points. Did okay today but nothing outstanding.

            Work league is still super close - hope my wildcard eventually pays off but as it's going currently I won't need it for QFs.

            1. Bøwstring The Carp
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Same, glad I outscored Bale but need to narrow the damage from those with Hazard/ Griezmann (C) now

            2. sinik
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when Batshu (sp) scored that goal, because at least Hazard had matched Bale haha

          • Bøwstring The Carp
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            "POINT CALCULATION IS IN PROGRESS"
            "Come back later"

            Yeah and when I do that Ginger bollix better have 2 assists added

            1. sinik
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              two!? I thought there was just one contentious one..

              1. Bøwstring The Carp
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                2 assists listed* 😳

              2. BB-8
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                One extra assist, for all they pain they put us through 😉

                1. sinik
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  😛

            2. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              We will see!

            3. AbsoluteDON
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Let it go , Jesus ..

          • Davido989
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Sadio Mane LFC medical tomorrow. £25m + 5m add ons

            1. KingNidge
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Business should be heating up big time now berbs

              1. Davido989
                • 15 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Heard man city will make the biggest signing for the summer by far

                1. KingNidge
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Aubameyang?

                2. andy85wsm
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 15 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Who though?

                  Aubameyang deal seems to have gone quiet

                  1. Bøwstring The Carp
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    Ronaldo possible?

                    Would be a typical Man City signing

                    1. KingNidge
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 8 months ago

                      Not a mission Ronnie joins that mob

                    2. sinik
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 8 months ago

                      lol that would never, ever, ever happen

                  2. Critical Observer
                    • 9 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    Possibly Kroos and/or Stones.

                3. Freshy
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Neymar

                  1. KingNidge
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    🙁

          • WE GO FOR IT
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Triple Belgium Delight - Hazard + KdB + Meunier. Would be happy if I get the KdB assist, but don't want to get greedy.

            Also, do you'll think Walker will start tomorrow? If yes, I'd probably give him the captaincy off Muller(2). If no, i'll just sub him in for Ozil(1).

            1. andy85wsm
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Nicely done with the Hazard+KDB double up. Did look at it myself - was a nice choice.

              Walker starts for me tomorrow

              1. WE GO FOR IT
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Yeah. Thankfully Lukaku broke my trust during the FPL DGWs which made me take Hazard+KdB.

                Thanks. I feel the same. Clyne was good. But the only reason he got a chance because Walker was rested imo. Hopefully he gets a rare goal tomorrow to finish this amazing MD4.

          • Davido989
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Tore close to joining West Ham .Good player

            1. Odikostar
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Kolo or yaya?:P