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29 July 2018 2160 comments
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Mohamed Salah’s already high ownership is on the rise, furthering the case for Fantasy Premier League managers to include him in their squads even if they are uncertain about his new price.

We also saw some big transfer fluctuations in the goalkeeper position in the last seven days while large numbers of managers persist in owning assets unlikely to be involved in Gameweek 1.

Such decisions could allow for an opportunity to make real headway on the majority of rivals in the early part of the season.

GOALKEEPERS

Fantasy managers are already moving fast to replace Nick Pope (£5.0m) in their squads after the Burnley man sustained a shoulder injury at Aberdeen on Thursday night. A week ago he was one of the most popular goalkeepers on 17 percent ownership but recent developments have caused that figure to drop to just 6.8.

Moving in the opposite direction is new Liverpool signing Alisson Becker (£5.5m) who has amassed 9.9 percent backing in his first week as an FPL option.

Julian Speroni (£4.0m) has emerged as the most fashionable goalkeeper in the cheapest bracket with 14.8 percent opting to save some money on him. However, the Argentinian is believed to be third in the Crystal Palace pecking order behind Wayne Hennessey (£4.5m) and Vicente Guaita (£4.5m). It’s possible that his popularity increased this week to accommodate an upgrade from Pope to Alisson.

David De Gea (£6.0m), Lukasz Fabianski (£4.5m) and Jordan Pickford (£5.0m) have remained largely stable as the top three, with 30.1, 23.0 and 21.6 percent ownership respectively.

DEFENDERS

We should expect to see plenty of fluctuation before Gameweek 1 when it comes to defenders, considering that four of the top five most-owned have some form of question mark over them.

Despite still being absent from their respective pre-season training camps, Kieran Trippier (£6.0m) and Harry Maguire (£5.5m) still hold down the top two spots in this classification.

Charlie Daniels (£4.5m) is the most popular option likely to play in Gameweek 1 with 17.0 percent backing. However, his starting berth will be at risk in Gameweek 4 after new Bournemouth signing Diego Rico (£4.5m) returns from his three-match suspension.

Marcos Alonso (£6.5m) remains steady on 16.8 percent ownership and certainly looks more assured of game-time than he did before Chelsea’s first pre-season friendly, in which he started. However, he was replaced by Emerson Palmieri (£5.5m) at half-time and Alonso should be considered very much under review considering that Maurizio Sarri prefers to play with traditional full-backs.

Just below Alonso is another Gameweek 1 doubt in Trent Alexander-Arnold (£5.0m). The Liverpool man was once the most fashionable defender in the whole game but following England’s continued progression at the World Cup, he dropped to third last week and now comes in as the fifth-most owned stopper. Although his backing is still fairly sizeable with 16.1 percent invested in him, both Nathaniel Clyne (£5.0m) and Joe Gomez (£5.0m) look likely to threaten Alexander-Arnold’s pitch time.

Despite more doubts hanging over whether he will feature for Huddersfield this season, Scott Malone has actually extended his lead at the top of the £4.0m defender ownership charts. From what we’ve seen so far, the most likely to start from that price point is Crystal Palace’s Aaron Wan-Bissaka, and some Fantasy managers are slowly picking up on that. In the last seven days he has gone from 2.6 percent ownership to 3.9.

MIDFIELDERS

Mohamed Salah’s (£13.0m) return to action has extended his lead as the most popular player ahead of the 2018/19 season. In one week the Egyptian has added a further 2.6 percent of managers to his following. The more his ownership increases the more dangerous it could become to go without last season’s record-breaking top scorer, regardless of his hiked price.

Kevin De Bruyne (£10.0m) still sits in second place remaining stable in 27 percent of squads, even though he is still absent from Manchester City’s pre-season training squad and could miss Gameweek 1.

Henrikh Mkhitaryan’s (£7.0m) price and potential has him as the third-most popular still, although he has experienced a two percent drop-off in the last seven days. He may pick up more backing from Fantasy managers if De Bruyne is confirmed as absent in the build-up for the opening weekend.

Also likely to mop up some De Bruyne sellers on the eve of 2018/19’s first match is his Man City colleague Leroy Sané (£9.5m), who already has one summer pre-season goal under his belt. He sits just behind Mkhitaryan on 18.8 percent ownership.

Deep-lying midfielders Ruben Neves (£5.0m) and N’Golo Kanté (£5.0m) are both in the top 10 most-owned in their classification, despite relatively low potential for Fantasy returns. Meanwhile, options in the same price bracket like Aaron Lennon, Kenedy and Helder Costa, all of whom play in more advanced positions, have just 0.5, 3.4 and 1.0 percent ownership respectively.

FORWARDS

Marko Arnautovic’s (£7.0m) recent form has seen him jump back into the top four most-owned among forwards. Seven days ago, the Austrian had been overtaken by Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (£11.0m)’s 24 percent, who has five pre-season goals. Arnautovic has found the net four times in three matches triggering a small rise back to 25 percent ownership.

At the top of the forwards charts, Roberto Firmino (£9.5m) and Harry Kane (£12.5m) remain stable on 37 and 33 percent respectively. The large number of managers invested in the pair will need to pay close attention to our Scout Notes for the remainder of pre-season to see if either of them will be available for Gameweek 1 following World Cup campaigns.

Wilfried Zaha (£7.0m) is still the third-most popular striker with 31.2 percent ownership, despite his switch from midfield over the summer.

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  1. Deulofail
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    High Ownership = essential
    Low ownership = good differential

    How do some people manage to make any decisions without consistent logic?

    Surely, if you think high owenership makes someone essential, that should be applied to your who team. If:

    (i) Ownership = points
    (ii) All 11-15 players in your team are highly owned

    Then you will lose points by picking any low-owned player. Why make an exception to your rule for one or two players in your squad? Surely you can't think that picking 15 players with high ownership makes your team the same as everyone else's. You can't think that you need a differential to avoid a draw/tie at the top of the FPL league! 😆

    I guess the point is that ownership =/= points. So why care about it? If you don't own a high-owned player, you will own someone else. Your other players score point too. It's not a case of own or don't, 10 points vs 0 points. It's a case of owning players A, B & C vs X, Y & Z. And in the case of Salah, for instance, Y & Z could be much better than B & C due to the money saved without Salah.

    But no, sorry, this is not "logical". 😉

    1. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      *That should be applied to your whole team.

    2. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      High ownership is also a risk of big price drops at the start of the season. E.g. Maguire on 24% would drop heavily if he doesn’t move to Utd and Leicester don’t get a clean sheet in the first game. Daniels on 17% will drop like a stone in value when he doesn’t start first game.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Not necessarily. A lot more people have to sell a 24% ownership player to initiate a price drop, becaue it's propotional to total ownership. Players who are owned by a higher proportion of active manages are more at risk of price drops, whether they be 20% or 0.5% owned.

        At least, that's my understanding of it after owning Iwobi in GW1 last season 🙁

        1. n-doggg
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          It does have an impact but they tweak the price change formula each year and high owned players do drop more quickly. For example, if you are getting a 4.0 bench fodder, never get one that has a high owenerhlp otherwise you’ll be on 3.8 territory in no time

          1. Deulofail
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            I'm not sure this is genuinely true. I would like to learn more about it if anybody has other opinions or evidence for such things.

            The were a number of highly owned players last season who didn't drop despite being sold by plenty of active managers. However, dead teams kept players like Salah and Kane relatively safe from rapid (even minor) drops.

            The same can be said for 4.0 options I think. Highly owned players drop faster than low-owned players when a larger proportion of their owners sell. I feel like it's a coincidence/myth that high ownership = fast drops. It just feels like the correct explanatuon when it happens.

            I'm open to being wrong so any elucidation on the subject is appreciated.

    3. willl
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I think basing any picks on ownership this early on is stupid and way too conservative.

      Late in the season I can see how covering highly owned players to conserve a lead could be a good idea, but going into GW1 scared of highly owned players is pathetic.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Pathetic is harsh. I would say misguided, personally.

        1. willl
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          You're on FFS, the land where Mkhi is essential.

          Sensationalism is welcome here. 😉

      2. theRealMoneyball
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Only to shield the captain pick. For example picking salah to shield his captaincy is ok, but picking firminho because of his ownership is a bit daft (assuming not many will captain him)

        1. willl
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah spending 13m on a player and then using your captaincy just cause others are makes so much sense...

          Get him and captain him if you think he'l score well, not because others are doing it.

          1. theRealMoneyball
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            It kinda does if you want to stay competitive in OR. Because if he goes off, assuming you don't have Salah, it's double whammy. Salah and kane are special cases because their price demands the armband every week. Let's say you don't get salah, and captain mane.... I have mane and Salah(c) but you won't hurt my ranking much. But if Salah goes off and you don't have him, your season will be an uphill battle

            1. Deulofail
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 8 months ago

              If he goes off =/= his potential replacement player(s) will not go off.

              1. theRealMoneyball
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 8 months ago

                I didn't say that if he goes off doesn't mean his replacements not going off. Your replacement will need to match salah every week. Easiest example is salah (c) + 5m mid Vs mane(c)+8m mid. I can assure you the first option has higher expected points over the season. Mane is 3.5m cheaper than Salah for a reason

                1. willl
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  Why are you assuming someone would captain the same player all season, that is not advisable.

                2. Deulofail
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  1) Expected by who? We are all individual managers. We're supposedly talking about logic and good decision-making, not your personal projections for cherry-picked players.

                  2) You don't have to captain Mane.

                  1. theRealMoneyball
                    • 7 Years
                    7 years, 8 months ago

                    Expected by the players' underlying statistics. Salah has more than twice to shots on goal, touches in box, higher up heat map than mane. I'm not cherry picking, but giving an example for comparison. Can do another example no prob

                    Im not saying you have to captain mane. It's just a fair comparison in those two options with the same price

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 8 months ago

                      Again. You're talking about your personal method for forming xP. What has this got to do with 'shielding' captaincy. There are two points against you here:

                      1) The ownership logic which you agreed with (ownership =/= points) can be applied to all players you own, including a player you may captain.

                      2) As TH said, if you don't captain Salah, you actually hve an advantage of choosing the best captain each week. If you do this with Salah you will be wasting money on weeks you don't captain him or wasting points on weeks you do captain him but there is a better option.

                      Point 2 is sort of less relevant to the discussion about the ownership logic, but it's still a point scored against the high price, high ownership, essential captain perspective.

                      1. theRealMoneyball
                        • 7 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        1) we agree ownership does not equal points

                        2) if I have Salah, he will wear my armband every week. If he doesn't, I take him out for another one worthy of the armband. It's Salah(c) or nothing for his price. You are assuming you can consistently make good captain picks, which is a statistical difficulty itself. By shielding your captain, you can beat the majority with the rest of your team CONSISTENTLY because you get 14 players to do it. There are only 38(observations in a sample) captaincy picks for the season, which can e a little lottery statistically speaking vs 14players x38 gw(532 in the sample which will iron out the anomalies)

                        Hence you can easily over or under perform in cap picks, but if you put in your research in lots of players (I trust you did) your 14x38 will come through easily

                      2. Deulofail
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        So you are owning Salah because you think he is a good pick with captaincy?

                        I don't see where ownership comes into your rationale. You mention 'shielding', but it seems to mean you can beat the rest of the Salah captainers with the rest of your team. But how about the Salah non-owners?

                        It seems like an argument about how to win a Salah-owners ML. But not justification for owning Salah. And not justification for owning Salah using ownership as the rationale.

            2. willl
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 8 months ago

              Yep spending 13m on a player will make you feel like you need to captain him every week to justify the outlay.

              I'll have multiple captain options to switch between depending on various factors.

              Salah may 'go off', so may Sanchez, so may Aguero, so may Aubameyang....

              1. theRealMoneyball
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 8 months ago

                Yes and you need to captain those. But I have some of them as well even if I don't captain them. But you will only outperform me by 1x points. But not having Salah is 2x on the most explosive player. My point is that captaincy pick cannot be spread across few players for any given week

                1. willl
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  I don't follow your reasoning to be honest.

                  I can take 3m out of Salah and spread it across my team, making up to 6 upgrades on players.

                  I can switch captaincy around 2/3 10m+ players based on who I think is the best option that week.

                  The points that I get from not having Salah come from a variety of places, not just the alternative midfielder and the captaincy option.

                  1. Deulofail
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 8 months ago

                    Agreed. All this in my original post. But people just glance at keywords and reply to railroad the discussion posting their pre-formed, FFS-approved and packaged myths. Nobody ever addresses the point of the discussion. Infuriating 😆

                    1. willl
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 8 months ago

                      sAlAh iS EsSenTIaL

                  2. theRealMoneyball
                    • 7 Years
                    7 years, 8 months ago

                    Yes but you cannot spread out your captaincy in a gw. Even with Salah, I have 1 other captain material with me(just in case I have to use my FT to take out an injured premium player). You always want to give captaincy to the most explosive player i.e highest ceiling (in your judgement) for every gw

                    Yes I suppose you can have more captaincy options without salah,but to consistently to better than Salah(c) is a little lottery. Whereas to to consistently better with 14 other players over the season Vs the majority is the more achievable feat

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 8 months ago

                      Ceilings are not logical.

                      Salah is just one player in the captaincy lottery. Some people seem to think he's guaranteed 303 points.

        2. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          It's the same logic. It's not different because it's the captain. Captain = *2. You can just think of it as two players. Ownership doesn't equate to points just because you're multiplying by 2.

          picking Firminho because of his ownership is a bit daft = picking Salah because of his ownership is a bit daft = picking Salah as a captain option because of his ownership is a bit daft

          1. theRealMoneyball
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            It's not the same logic. Only 11 players score for you every week. Hence the captaincy is given to the most explosive player. Salah or any premium attacking picks is not the same as captaining a gk. I guess there's many ways in playing this. I'm just trying to help with my experiences that helped me to finish a very strong ranking

            1. Deulofail
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 8 months ago

              12 players every week if you include captain.

              1. theRealMoneyball
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 8 months ago

                It's not 12 equal players in expected points. Can't treat a gk who's ceiling is a lot lower than a premium attacker

                1. Deulofail
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  Uh oh. Now we've gotten to "ceilings".

                  I genuinely don't know what you're trying to do with xP which means a captain isn't effectively an extra player. 10 + (1*2) = 12.

                  1. theRealMoneyball
                    • 7 Years
                    7 years, 8 months ago

                    Dude I'm just trying to help. It's not constructive bringing that sacarsm.

                    It's an extra of your GREATEST expected points player of that week. No one will captain a 5.5m mid. You get 2 x Salah not 2 x delefeau

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 8 months ago

                      So? I was never arguing that you need 11-15 good captain options.

                      1. theRealMoneyball
                        • 7 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        Fine. Carry on with your terrible attitude and mediocre ranking. It'll do you well in life

                      2. Deulofail
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        #irony

                        There was no sarcasm in that post.

                        You were the one who first told me "it's just logical" as if I wasn't hooked up to any form of rational thinking like you are.

                        I'm sorry you feel this way. And I'm sorry you think your supposed FPL history should force me to give you respect, because repeating this point has the opposite effect. Just make a good argument about the topic in question. 🙂

                      3. theRealMoneyball
                        • 7 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        No one is forcing anyone for respect, especially not on ranking history. I just didn't appreciate your sacarsm ("uh oh" and "so?") Especially when I'm trying to help explain another way of looking into why shielding ownership is wise. If you don't accept it, that's fine but sacarsm ain't needed

                        And in no way I did mention that you don't have rational thinking and never said ("it's just logical)

                        I finished higher than majority of ppl posting here but I still come here for ideas. I guess that's how to improve

                      4. Deulofail
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        'Uh oh' and 'so?' were genuine, not sarcastic.

                        You said, "It's just logical really." https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2018/07/29/fpl-ownership-watch-increasing-salah-popularity-forces-managers-hands/?hc_page=2#hc_comment_18429761

                        ...In reply to my comment about people fearing castigation from the FPL community about not owning Salah. "It's just logical really" is ironically the kind of thing I was thinking about: pressuring others to just accept their "facts" because it just "makes sense". Any imagination being quashed as rebellious stupidity.

                        I'm happy to contemplate other ways of looking at it, but as you can tell from above, I'm not yet convinced that the "No Salah" brigade are anything but sheep, because I'm yet to see a good argument about why ownership an important factor.

                        I'm not saying he's a bad pick (I'm probably more likely to own him come GW1 than not), but the lack of imagination on this site, and the proliferation of fuzzy thinking or no-thinking, and the shutting down of discussions without contemplating the points, really gets my goat up! 😆

                        Feel free to try again to convince me above, but so far I don't think this discussion has even stayed on topic, so it might be better to agree to disagree.

                      5. Deulofail
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        Ah man I'm sorry, that was another gravless poster, Jaelous Viper. This post was inspired by yours and his comments on that thread, as well as everyone else's all over these comment sections. You seem to buy into the same ideas as Jealous Viper and I failed to separate the two of you.

                      6. theRealMoneyball
                        • 7 Years
                        7 years, 8 months ago

                        That's fine. Apology accepted. I'm not even on that thread with jealous viper lol

                        Put it this way, it's hard to outperform majority consistently with captaincy picks. It's easier to outperform majority with 14 other
                        non captained players in your squad.

                        And highest owned player is usually the prima captain. If the highest owned player is not explosive e.g ddg, I have no problem not picking ddg.

                        But when it's the game's most explosive player then it's wise. I'm not expecting Salah to hit 300 points. Just the ability to bang in a hattrick on any particular gw will scare non owners. Only auba kun kane has this this ability imo. Those 3 are either bad fixtures or not fully match fit. Hence you don't have another "capable" replacement im gw1, hence you need to spread the funds to a few players but your captaincy cannot be spread

            2. willl
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 8 months ago

              You don't captain the most explosive player.

              You captain the player you think will score the most points in the gameweek in question, based on form, fixture etc.

              1. theRealMoneyball
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 8 months ago

                Fine. I rest my case. Just trying to help

                1. willl
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  Yeah that's fine, I'm just explaining why I think the logic behind your decision is flawed.

      3. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Well said TH 14

    4. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Just realised how poorly written this was. Essentially I want to say that if:

      (i) Ownership = points
      (ii) All 11-15 players in your team are highly owned

      You will do better than if

      (i) Ownership = points
      (ii) Some of your players are low-ownership

      However in reality it's:

      (i) Ownership =/= points
      (ii) pick the combination of players who you think will score the most

      1. Rossi3254
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Yh I understand what you are saying now and you are completely correct, spent about 5 minutes trying to make sense of that first post

      2. Regin
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        U r complicating simple things. Just select Ur team with players who u think will perform the best. Ex. I saw tripper has26% ownership but no way I ll put him in my team unless aurier is injured.

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          Pretty darn obvious, really, isn't it?

    5. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      If a manager is just picking a player because his ownership is high well then that person is more of a sheep than a manager.

      If you start with a squad comprised of players with the highest ownership possible then you are letting yourself open to market fluctuations as one or two of them are bound to start bad and their high ownership could backfire in the shape of a price drop.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        See my reply to N-Doggg above. Does high ownership really make price drops more likely?

    6. WesMantooth
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Thank you!

      To much talks of ownership. Especially with regards to Salah. If one believes that the money could be spent better elsewhere in the squad, then one should absolutely go for it.

      Allthough i hate the term "essential" which gets thrown around a lot in comments on this site, I do believe there are scenarios where such scenarios happen.

      When a really cheap player, is highly owned, and performing beyond belief, one is effectively handicapped by not having that player in your team, because its to difficult to make the funds go further by allocating them to other asset(s)

      As an example, I tried to be clever a couple of seasons ago, and ended dreading my decision to let mahrez go after my first WC. Lesson learned: he was to highly owned, and to cheap to try and make a smarter move.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Lesson learned, but the same thing happened with Richarlison last season, but I managed to get an advantage selling him before tough fixtures, when everyone else thought he was essesntial despite them. They were then forced by their own logic to keep him for when the fixtures turned good again, and he just never performed for the rest of the season, basically.

        So lessons are hard to generalise, but I get what you're saying. I tend to try and trust my instinct from watching football to judge whether these near-essental players are worth the struggle to chop up your team for the supposed value that everyone's wailing about. I've missed players like this before, like King and Capoue, so perhaps I should become a sheep instead 🙂

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          But your point about being "essential" is nothing about ownership, right? If a player is such good value that everyone buys him, then ownership is a byproduct of the player being a good pick (perceived likely to get lots of points relative to his price).

          1. WesMantooth
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            Nothing should be generalisere when it comes to FPL, but although i appreciate the comparison with Richarlison, his performances was definately on a lower scale the Mahrez was when i made the blunder.

            Ownership will prob allways be the byproduct of performances? At the start of the season its probably based on performances last season(s), while after the season starts it gets more an more based on recent performances.

            Although i appreciate your point, it's also too easy. If "everyone" owns the 5.5 averaging 6pts pr game, then he's essential because your not likely to "cover it". If "no-one" owns him, he's not essential, cuz you might still beat others without owning him.

            These are both silly scenarios though.

    7. Jack Sparrow
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      You really do like the sound of your own keyboard tapping don't you.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Why are you here if you're not interested in discussing FPL? I would like to suggest that there is no bigger troll than "Jack Sparrow".

      2. Eden Wizard
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Valuable reply

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          His comment history is atrocious

  2. Rossi3254
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone know where i can find an archive of all the prices rises and falls in FPL last season?

  3. Drop Dead Tsimikas
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Ad arguendo, let's say I make like a hypocrite and field a Salah team:
    Foster (Fab)
    DLuiz | TAA| Ake (PVA, W-B)
    Salah | Mata | Sane | Richarlison | Jota
    Tosun | Auba (Quaner)

    1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Whoops, that'll be VVD, not TAA

    2. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      What language is ad arguendo, out of curiosity? Spanish?

      I don't like that Salah team, but I like mine 🙂

      Just personal preference, but I would emphatically not start with 4 of those players in my team, and that's just for starters.

      1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Latin. Which four are you talking about?

  4. Hog Roast Junkie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Why everyone going Aubameyang over Laca given the price difference? Laca playing central with Auba on left wing in preseason

    1. Stockport Hatter
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      More nailed and more dangerous in Arsenal attacking situations.

    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Auba on pens and looking like he is more nailed.

    3. Sterling is £11Mill..…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Aub is fashionable, Laca is so last season

    4. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Auba is more nailed on. Expect Laca to start most games, but against tougher teams, like Arsenals first 2, they could start with Auba upfront and a more defensive minded wide player.

    5. Finnish Fish
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Well in paper he plays as a left wing but if u actually watch the games he plays like Salah in a way(scored 32 last season u know).. And he takes most of the pens, and overall hes a lot better player, and if Unai wants to use only one real ST it will be Auba.

    6. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Lacazette for me.
      Three reasons;

      (Preseason) Looking at preseason games, I could see how the two could co-exist together.

      (Transfer Window)
      If arsenal do not buy another winger, there’s a high possibility Aubameyang could play on the left and Lacazette could play central. I doubt they would start Iwobi and have Lacazette on the bench...

      (Funds)
      Spending 9.5 on a forward rather than 11, gives me the ability to spend the extra 1.5 to upgrade areas that have more value for money ex.midfield 8 to 9.5

      Anyways, I’m taking my chances on Lacazette 😉

      1. Rossi3254
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Im personally still undecided as to which player to pick but I agree with your reasoning as to why to go for Laca. Also everyone who is so confident of Auba on pens I wouldnt be so sure across their careers Laca is 26/5 scored to missed whereas Auba is 21/7. They both took them in matches last season while the other was on the pitch and while Auba took one in pre season he was on a hattrick at that point

  5. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bernardo Silva hay...

  6. Evasivo
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Genuinely wondering why so many are investigating on Arsenal strike force, with poor form and fixtures?

    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Poor form? Season hasn't started.

      Poor fixtures? Have you seen the City team on tour? They are depleted, it's a good time for Arsenal to play them. Would back them to score vs Chelsea aswell, after that its a sea of green fixtures.

      1. Finnish Fish
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        This. I bet he is a Spurs man..

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      poor form? huh?

    3. Sterling is £11Mill..…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I think Arsenal City could be a high scorer, think alot of people are thinking/hoping that

    4. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      First two fixtures poor but after that it is like the CCR song a green river.

      Also they are scoring for fun preseason with a very attacking manager with tactical nous.

      Furhtermore many of thier players are underpriced given thier poor form last season

    5. willl
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      you looked further than GW 1 and 2?

    6. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Pre season form means zilch. Fixtures are good for attacking.

    7. Joe
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Poor form? Auba has looked electric all pre-season and Laca just scored two goals (albeit against a 2nd/3rd string PSG team). Plus they have a new manager, so last season doesn't really have much bearing on this one.

      I agree with you on fixtures that it may be better to wait until GW3, but feel that Auba at least is fairly fixture-proof.

    8. EgyptianKing
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I like having one Arsenal player to start, but not double up until GW3.

      I am currently on Mkhi. I think Mkhi is the value option at Arsenal for now, but I see great potential in both Auba and Laca, both in short and long run of fixtures, I have to say

    9. Al
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Who are you picking brainbox

    10. Evasivo
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Not a spurs fan, just a realist and think there's better ways of spreading buget. Easy to do a transfer in GW3 to bring in Auba.

      I'm starting just with Mkhi fwiw

    11. DJDave1979
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Poor fixtures? Are you building a two-week team.

  7. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Hey Guys

    In your opinion who is the best Liverpool 5.0 DF to have

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. Finnish Fish
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Lovren when hed back

    2. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      None

    3. Lukakwho
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Taa

  8. Da Funk
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Chances of Aguero starting Week 1, slim to none?

    1. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Fairly high

    2. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Waiting for the team news...

    3. Brehmeren
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      99%

    4. Da Funk
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I just can't see it, only returns on Monday, no way will he be match ready for a week and a half later.

    5. DJDave1979
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Given all the injuries, his class and the difficulty of the game. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.

  9. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Which City striker do you think starts GW1?

    Aguero and Jesus are returning to training on the same day FWIW.

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero. But Community Shield will be informative.

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        I think both will start 🙂

        1. ★Kuntheman★
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          I agree.

          1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            3-5-2?

            1. ★Kuntheman★
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 8 months ago

              I think so, yes.

              1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 8 months ago

                That would troll me with my Mahrez/Sané midfield!

                Btw Iheanacho looks like he might start for the first fixture whilst Vardy recovers.

                1. ★Kuntheman★
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 8 months ago

                  I think I’ve already left that one behind mate. Only want him if he’s nailed. 🙂

                  1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 8 months ago

                    Wise decision 🙂 I hope he gets a run out this year however. Good player

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Whats aguero been doing this whole time other than warming messi's bench anyway

    3. Oooof
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero

    4. Da Funk
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I don't think either will.

    5. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Pep probably does not know the answer to this himself....

    6. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Sané. He’s played pre-season games & scored in them, whereas other players are just returning from World Cup duties. I doubt they would be match fit...

      1. Red Wasabi
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Oops, I was thinking attacker.
        Striker would be neither for me.

      2. willl
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Check how much pre-season he has actually played.

  10. Oooof
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Smell my cheese!

  11. Roundhay High
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    294218-343757

  12. The Alli Way
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Ederson (Speroni)
    Azpi Robertson Shaw (Wan-Bissaka (Peltier))
    Salah Mane Moura Richarlison (Romeu)
    Aguero Zaha King

  13. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Pep is very annoying with his Sane comments....
    Sane needs match sharpness he says.
    Then you don't play the fella pep??

    A fella gets a lovely long rest is probably one of thier best players and he finds an excuse too cast doubt.

    Pep and Jose have to be the two worst managers for thier cryptic comments.
    Give me a Sean Dyche press conference any day.
    x plays y doesn't simple!

    1. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      He won’t start the season. Not worthy risking any city mids

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Fair point, I will get lacazette instead of aubamgeyang and Sanchez instead of Sane.

        But I am far from happy from the sanchez pick because of Mourinho and his bus.
        Not sold on eriksen spurs fixtures and half a team.

        It is basically just those two places I have to sort out now.

        1. n-doggg
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          You got mane?

          1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            Yeah I have Mane will be my captain gw1 most likely.
            I even looked at mid price midfielders to replace Sane, but it looks like a bit of a lottery.

    2. willl
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      There is a doubt, so I wouldn't bother picking Sane.

      I think De Bruyne is the only nailed City mid.

      1. Joe
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Agree, but he'll probably not be ready for GW1 this year right?

    3. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Agree re Mourinho and Pep. Would love it if it was like NFL and you had to have an up to date and disclosed injury list.

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Pep and Mourinho would go mad if that happened.

      2. walkman666
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        This. So this. As an American, I’m dismayed by the lack of transparency around injuries in this sport relative to other pro sports. Been saying this for years. Glad someone else sees this, too.

    4. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Poch is pretty bad too with the imminent D Rose recoveries...

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        I wouldn't touch poch's full backs for that reason

  14. Mike82
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Foster
    Ward Robbo Davies Daniels
    Salah Eriksen Pedro Jota
    Laca Kun
    Stekelenburg Cedric Sorloth Stephens

  15. pgeelufc
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Ey up lads. Has anybody made any spreadsheets yet for rotation etc?

    Cheers

  16. Hart-ake
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Mahrez defo injured?

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Injured is definitive. Timeline is not.

    2. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      No. Community shield will be a good judge if he’s on bench

    3. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Oh wow he's injured? That puts a spanner in the works...

  17. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone think Zaha is worth the 0.5 over King/Wood? Assume I have Arnautovic too.

    1. n-doggg
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Austin and arnie for me

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yes especially with him saying he wants to score more goals which means he’s a man on a mission

    3. Kristobal
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Might be. Have thoughts about that too.

    4. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Nope. I would just stick with Wood.

    5. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I think he is but I’ve currently got Arnie and Austin to accommodate a slightly more expensive midfield

      1. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Similar thinking. I’m on Arnie+King. Why Austin?

    6. T.Henry14
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Are you worried about Arnie's fixtures?

      liv - BOU - ars - WOL - eve - CHE - UTD

      I'm on Zaha-King, for now.

      1. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        West Ham have a really good offense and Pellegrini is an attacking manager. I can see them sweeping BOU+WOL+EVE with no problem and giving LIV+UTD big issues

  18. Kristobal
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Best nailed on 5.5 defender?

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Pva

      1. Kristobal
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        He is good! No doubt. I have Sakho though.

    2. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I’m finding this to be a difficult one. I think Bellerin after GW 2

      1. Kristobal
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Exactly.

    3. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Maguire

  19. Our Tiny Windows
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Who would you say are the best two nailed defenders for the start of the season at each price point?

    6.5 ? ?
    6.0 ? ?
    5.5 ? ?
    5.0 ? ?
    4.5 ? ?
    4.0 ?

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Azpilicueta+Alonso
      Robertson+Mendy
      Bellerin+PVA
      Ward+Sakho
      Tomkins+Cedric
      Wan Bissaka

    2. Soapy
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Azpi
      Robbo
      PVA
      Lowton
      Tomkins
      WB

      Mendy could also be a shout at 6
      The likes of Emerson, Luiz, Bellerin could be great at 5.5 too

  20. connorman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Who's a better option Mkhitaryan or Richarlison?
    I have Aubameyang up front to cover Arsenals attack and together Miki and Auba I think are a great pair but I really want to fit Richarlison into my team as I think he will offer great value. Thoughts?

    1. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Rich +0.5m

    2. Mike82
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Not sure Miki will start

  21. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    why doesn't mendy start games ? he has been training for more than 3-4 months I think and still no start either for france or city

  22. Please Help I Don't Kn…
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Pretty much done with my team, but I'm interested in your views 🙂

    Fabianski-Patricio
    PVA-Robertson-Coleman-Bailly-Cedric
    Eriksen-Mane-Milivojevic-Richarlison-Romeu
    Auba-Arnie-Firmino

    Likely to do Mane to Sane (or another City mid) in GW 3 (given Sane looks good).

    Thanks 🙂

    1. Red Wasabi
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      No Salah I see.

      1. Please Help I Don't Kn…
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Overpriced imo

  23. Scapegoat Salah
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Absolute filth:

    Ryan
    Robertson | Mendy | PVA
    Salah | Mane | Neves | Cairney | Kenedy
    Kane | Aguero

    Button | Doherty | AWB | Kamara/Quaner

    0ITB

    1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yuck

    2. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Weak midfield

    3. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      It's got worse again

  24. H-SF
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bernardo Richarlison Mane and Salah is the way forward in midfield

    1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Did you own Mané last season?

      1. H-SF
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        I don’t think so, why?

        1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          He doesn't actually get you points no matter how good he looks, that's why. About the same output as Alli last season iirc

          1. Leeroy357
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            He missed matches before Coutinho left because Coutinho was at his best on the left of the attack and Mane has a really awful run of form but from January onwards, he was absolutely class and was getting his fair share of points. In champions league he got 10 goals and was far and away Lpool's best player in the final. He's got his confidence now and going to be unstoppable this season, especially with how much everyone will focus on Salah

  25. Dacra
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    How does this look?

    Ederson (4.0)
    Robertson - Coleman - 4.5 - 4.0 - 4.0
    Salah - Costa - D. Silva - Ozil - 4.5
    Aguero - Lacazette - Wood

    1. Dacra
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Laca really Firmino.. Not double arsenal.

    2. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Could be good after gw3

  26. firetog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    FFS Rate My Team App. Template Team versus Optimal Team

    Template Teams are looking something like this.
    Fab / Foster
    Mendy / Bailly / Coleman / Cedric / WB
    Salah / Sane / Rich / Jota / Cairney
    Aub / Arnie / Zaha

    Switch out whatever player for a similar one and you are most likely seeing the RMT 6 week score around 340 points

    However, this team
    DDG / 4.0
    Valencia / Azpi / Walker / Robo / Mendy
    Salah / Hazard / Rich / Fraser / Hughes
    Arnie / Wood / Kamara
    Gives a score of 365 points

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Interesting but prefer the top team due to it being more balanced.

    2. Joe
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Well, Valencia is injured. Walker and Hazard likely won't start the first week or two following the World Cup. I think the template edges it at this stage.

      1. firetog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        These are based on the RMT projections so it looks like they disagree with you. You have to be a member to use the App and see the projections. But even if they are wrong for those particular players, the takeaway for me is how the price allocation differs so dramatically.

  27. AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Riyad Mahrez seen wearing a protective boot and on crutches as the City squad landed back at Manchester Airport.

    @CharDuncker

  28. The Pesci challenge
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    A-firmino & Sané
    Or
    B- Mané & arnie?

    1. Please Help I Don't Kn…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. Thinkering like a Boss
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A if you dont have City attacker, otherwise B.

    3. Clickzy
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A for fixtures

      1. The Pesci challenge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Nice one all

  29. Thinkering like a Boss
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Ederson,(4.0)
    Bailly, Bednarek, Shaw/Lowton/TAA, (Doherty, W-B)
    Salah, Sane, Neves, Richarlison, (4.5)
    Kane, Arnautovic, Lacazette

  30. Clickzy
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Planning to run a 3-4-3 with 2 premium defenders, Cedric & another £4.5m to be rotated with. What's everyone's favourite £4.5m?

    1. Joe
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Tomkins/Schlupp from Crystal Palace. Take your pick - Tomkins more nailed but Schlupp more explosive.

    2. yakirh
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Tomkins