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Manchester United 1-6 Tottenham Hotspur

  • Goals: Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m) | Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m), Son Heung-min (£9.0m) x2, Harry Kane (£10.5m) x2, Serge Aurier (£5.2m)
  • Assists: Anthony Martial (£8.9m) | Kane, Aurier, Son, Ben Davies (£4.9m), Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (£4.9m)
  • Bonus: Son x3, Kane x2, Aurier x1

A ruthless Spurs thrashed a Manchester United outfit that started fast, were then reduced to ten men and ended up a shambles.

Thirty seconds into the game and it looked like it might be the visitors who would be the whipping boys as Anthony Martial (£8.9m) burst into Tottenham’s area and Davinson Sanchez (£5.4m) gave away a penalty.

The spot-kick was, as usual, put away by United’s most popular Fantasy Premier League (FPL) asset, the 20.7%-owned Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m), and visiting coach Jose Mourinho could have been excused for preparing a scowl similar to the one he wore during much of his tenure at Manchester.

The fact he left the pitch at full-time with the sort of smugly magnanimous smile that only a massive victory can produce was down to his side’s excellence, a misguided moment from Martial and a complete capitulation from the rest of the United team.

But amidst all the sound and fury of a truly bewildering game, the key Fantasy takeaway was the surprise presence of, and a brilliant performance from, Son Heung-min (£9.0m).

While Mourinho had suggested the midfielder might be fit to play at Old Trafford, a hamstring issue had his official chances down as 25%. That prompted a massive FPL sale, with a net 1,308,054 managers – well over half his total ownership – getting rid of the South Korean.

He responded by starting, scoring twice, assisting once, earning maximum bonus and recording 18 points for his second double-digit haul (the other brought in 24) of a remarkable start to the season.

Twitter users were in meltdown at half-time, with the hashtag ‘Took Son’ – as in ‘I took Son out of my Fantasy team this week’ – trending worldwide.

By the final whistle, that had been replaced by #OleOut as Gunnar Solskjaer’s men fell apart.

The rot didn’t even start with Martial’s dismissal, after 28 minutes, for an irritable slap to Erik Lamela‘s (£5.9m) face sparked by the Argentine’s weasly attempt to elbow the United striker.

VAR upheld referee Anthony Taylor’s decision despite also showcasing Lamela’s embarrassing theatricality and his massive culpability in the whole event. But Martial walked, Lamela received only a booking and the match hurried away from the hosts. 

In truth, it was already heading in that direction.

United’s lead lasted all of two minutes, with the fragility of centre-back pairing Harry Maguire (£5.4m) and Eric Bailly (£5.0m) – the latter preferred to Victor Lindelof (£4.9m) – exposed for the first of many times.

Maguire’s feeble attempt to head the ball clear created a panic in the area and the ball eventually fell for Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m) to equalise.

Three minutes later, Son put Spurs ahead when the new-look assist machine Harry Kane (£10.6m) was fouled, picked himself up and played a quick ball through to the midfielder, who dinked the ball over the advancing David De Gea (£5.5m) and in.

United responded, the lively Mason Greenwood (£7.4m) chalking up three attempts by the 23rd minute, but Son had already blown a great chance to double his tally before the Martial dismissal and it was one-way traffic from then on.

A minute after Martial finally trudged off, Spurs made it 3-1 when Bailly made a mess of trying to play out from the back, Kane pounced and played the ball to Son, who weighed up his options before squaring back to the striker for a simple finish.

Losing a striker should have at least meant United retained some semblance of shape at the back, but instead, enormous pockets of space kept opening up on their right flank and when Serge Aurier (£5.2m) was given the freedom to exploit this, he responded by setting up Son’s second goal.

It could even have been five by half-time, Kane missing a good chance from a near-post header, and that scoreline would not have flattered the visitors.

Solskjaer made changes at the break, shoring up his midfield by swapping out the blameless Fernandes and the pedestrian Nemanja Matic (£5.0m) for Fred (£5.4m) and Scott McTominay (£4.9m), but the fact Spurs only scored twice in the second half was as much to do with their own more relaxed approach than anything the United coach, or his players, did.

It was 5-1 on 51 when the rampaging Aurier smashed home from a brilliant Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (£4.9m) first-time pass and Kane finished the scoring with an unstoppable penalty after substitute Ben Davies (£4.9m) was taken down by a sliding Paul Pogba (£7.9m).

Solskjaer was suitably crestfallen at the end of the match, saying:

Today, it was almost like Christmas, too many mistakes all came at once. Too many mistakes against a good team and you’ll be punished. It’s very embarrassing.

What might make things worse for him is the crash in confidence of Maguire, the unreliability of Lindelof and the rustiness of Bailly. United seem close to bringing in a new striker (Edinson Cavani) and a left-back (Alex Telles), but the unaddressed weaknesses in the centre of their defence do not bode well at all, as 11 goals conceded in three matches makes abundantly clear.

In Fantasy terms, however, the plentiful owners of Fernandes can still look forward to a good schedule through to mid-December, while Martial’s three-match ban could mean out-of-position opportunities up front for midfielders Greenwood or, more likely, Marcus Rashford (£9.5m).

As for Spurs, Son is currently the most-bought Gameweek 5 player – it would be interesting to know how many of those purchasers sold him ahead of the United match – and Kane is also in the top five.

The pair have 89 points between them this season. United’s entire squad has 72, albeit from one game less, and owning Son and/or Kane looks highly advisable when their next four opponents are West Ham and Brighton at home and Burnley and West Brom away.

So reasons to be cheerful are many for Spurs fans and Fantasy owners alike, while Mourinho was similarly upbeat:

The squad is very good, that’s why we won these matches, rotating players, bringing in fresh legs… and then Lo Celso injured, Bergwijn injured, Bale working… look at the squad we have, look at the attacking players we have, plus Vinicius in the stand. It was an amazing performance. I’m very proud of everyone at the club.

That could all be construed as a bit of a dig at a United board he believed failed to back him in the transfer market.

One thing’s for sure – Mourinho’s successor at Old Trafford is the manager with all the worries at present.


Manchester United XI (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw; Matic (McTominay 45), Pogba; Fernandes (Fred 45), Rashford, Greenwood (van de Beek 67); Martial.

Tottenham Hotspur XI (4-3-2-1): Lloris; Aurier, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilon; Hojbjerg, Sissoko, Ndombele (Alli 69); Lamela (Moura 45), Son (Davies 73); Kane.

MEMBERS ANALYSIS

Lessons Learned from FPL Gameweek 4

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  1. Will J 256
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Sorry for another question. I know it’s a long way to go until GW5 but what do you make of this team? Not WC by the way.

    Martinez
    Robbo, Saiss, Dallas
    Salah, KDB, Son, Zaha, Podence
    Calvert-Lewin, Jimenez

    Forster, Lamptey, Brewster, Mitchell

    1. Salah(c)
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Excellent

    2. Bonus magnet
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      A team many will envy

      1. Will J 256
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks very much!

    3. northstandnoise
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Good but would prefer grealish to zaha with those AV fixtures

  2. Salah(c)
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Pickford macey

    Vvd ayling saiss justin mitchell

    Salah sterling hamez foden podence

    Kane jimi brewster

    Where would you use the FT ? Im thinking pickford to mendy, any other transfer i need to prioritize first?
    Thanks in advance

    1. CaptMidnight
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Sterling to Son.

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Clearly needs Partey, Cavani and Telles.

  3. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    (A.) Kane, Bowen, Lamptey

    (B.) Wilson, Rodriguez, Robertson

    1. baines is god
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. Ron_Swanson
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      B

  4. baines is god
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Mitrovic, Bamford, Maupey, Antonio, Wilson or any other sub 6.7million striker?

    Transferring one of them in for Ings.

    Tempted by Mitrovic as he has Palace and West Brom at home after SHU away however Fulham don't look like scoring many goals.
    Maupey has decent fixtures too Palace A, WBA H, Tot A, Bur H
    Antonio nightmare fixtures, Bamford fixtures medium/medium tough and Wilson fixtures medium

    Any thoughts appreciated!!

    1. waldo666
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Wilson has a kind run of fixtures coming up.

    2. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Why sell Ings?Keep imo.

    3. korbendallas82
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I would rule out Mitro, since Fulham are the worst of those teams. Im gonna go Maupay probably, since i am keeping Saint Maximin. Maximus Pointmus.

      1. korbendallas82
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        or keep Ings if money is not pressure.

    4. Bank$y
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Keep Ings

    5. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      wilson or maupay

  5. gringo1000
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Hi!
    Any moves required here!
    McCarthy
    Saiss James Justin Digne Ferguson
    Son Bruno Salah KDB Bissouma
    Wilson DCL Bamford
    Thanks

  6. Party time
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Walcott back at Southampton!
    Those good memories of young Theo are no more 🙁

  7. tbhogal
    • 16 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Fellow Reece James owners getting rid now??

    1. gringo1000
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I'm keeping. Why get rid?

      1. tbhogal
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        No game time

      2. Seanigula
        • 17 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Because he won’t play

    2. Fit_to_drop
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      You need guaranteed starters in FPL. He’s not.

  8. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Rafinha to Leeds
    Anyone know anything about this lad?

    1. Party time
      5 years, 9 months ago

      He is Brazilian

    2. Ron_Swanson
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      He prefers Raphinha

  9. Zrinkec
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Leeds signed new wingback will he affect Dallas playing time?

    And KDB or Sterling?

    1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Neither until Jesus or Kun are back

  10. Fit_to_drop
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Should I just give up trying to shoe-horn Kane into this WC selection?

    Martinez
    Robbo Saiss Chilwell
    KDB Son Sterling Grealish
    DCL Antonio Wilson

    Steer ASM Mitchell Kilman

    1.1 ITB to allow Salah move if needed.

    1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Salah move is needed

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      It's a nice team ; but doubling up City over Kane . . .

    3. The Mandalorian
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Downgrade KDB to get Kane

    4. MarcusAurelius
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Sterling injured so downgrade him instead

  11. Fernandito
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    H Costa and Ings to Son & Watkins worth a -4??

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I would

    2. nerd_is_the_werd
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Yus

  12. Mr. Mystic
    • 15 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    KDB -> Son or Foden -> Grealish?

    1. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      a

    2. Ron_Swanson
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      B

  13. Will1988
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Do I need to WC Or can I fix it with 2 FT and 1.6 itb

    McCarthy
    TAA VVD Dier
    Salah Rodriguez Zaha Foden
    Werner Jimenez Mitrovic

    Nyland KWP Taylor Reid

    1. korbendallas82
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      i would start with Foden tf. much of your team is fine. just need to figure out who you want in, and who to sell.

      1. korbendallas82
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        no wc needed.

  14. milanista10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone want to talk me out of Rashford to Son move?

    1. Bruce Lee
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      not asked

    2. antis0cial
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Nope. Good move.

    3. Party time
      5 years, 9 months ago

      No brainer!

      Utd are pants.

    4. korbendallas82
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Wait with United assets tilthey hit a streak.

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah and kiss goodbye to your rank in the meantime.

    5. FPL Notebook (John)
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I've just done it if that helps

  15. Bruce Lee
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    1 hour for fifa... come onnn

  16. antis0cial
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Watkins or Wilson?

    1. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Watkins

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Wilson

  17. Seanigula
    • 17 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Brewster or Cavani as my 4.5 mil striker?

    1. Bruce Lee
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      brewster

    2. Party time
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Brewster plays for the better side

      1. Seanigula
        • 17 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        good point

    3. BigBillyBass
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Cavani will be 9mil so get 2 Brewsters

  18. Ray In Bruges.
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    McCarthy (Nyland**)
    TAA KWP Justin (Vinagre**, Mitchell)
    Fernandes JRod KDB Traore** (ASM)
    Jimenez Ings DCL

    WC this bunch?

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Either that or 4 transfers to sort it

    2. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I would start Mitchell(good game vs Brighton) and bench KWP.Kdb/Fernandes->Son imo.

    3. BigBillyBass
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Abhorrent team

  19. It’s gonna Ben Mee
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Partey time! I think Thomas will be a massive upgrade to that Arsenal midfield. Might even consider their defence now.

  20. Bruce Lee
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Arse Parteyyyy

    1. Seanigula
      • 17 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      you know you’re not on Grindr right now?

      1. Bruce Lee
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        damn, can i delete the comment?

  21. Bruce Lee
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    GOOD EBININ'

  22. Old Wulfrunian
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    I've lost 0.1 from Rudiger,0.2 from Werner,0.1 from Moura and 0.1 from Douglas and 0.1 from Soyuncu are coming.

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      They all add up.

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Believe it or not, I'm going to lose my first 0.1m tonight with KdB.

      I haven't lost value on any of my players this season. But maybe that's a problem because I wildcarded and transferred my players so aggressively.

  23. Zrinkec
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Will Dallas minutes be affected by this new signing for Leeds?
    Dallas or Ayling?

    1. Party time
      5 years, 9 months ago

      He is a winger & not a natural wing back.

      Dallas although I’ve both & get the appeal for either

    2. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      He's a winger so no. Competition for Costa and Harrison

    3. Bushwhacker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Well he's a left winger so neither?

    4. Silver_and_Gold
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Seems, rather Costa or Harrison will be under threat of rotation. Raphinha was playing through the middle and on the right flank - closer to current Costa position.

  24. nerd_is_the_werd
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    De Bruyne about to drop in price, should I beat em or join em?

  25. Dynamic Duos
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Utd just signed Ducan Ferguson?

  26. BigBillyBass
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Is Vinagre essential?

    1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      He’s flagged

      1. BigBillyBass
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Looks essential to me

      2. Bushwhacker
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        He's left.

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Essentially gone.

      1. BigBillyBass
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Triple captain next week?

    3. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Gone to olympiakos on loan with option to buy.

    4. BigBillyBass
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      God damnit my sarcasm just isn’t up to scratch these days

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Keep trying

  27. nibby
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    How's my WC draft looking?

    Martinez Forster
    Robertson Chilwell Ayling Webster Dunne
    Salah Grealish Son Pulisic Soucek
    Kane DCL Maupay

    Getting Pulisic instead of James. Not taking any City or United assets atm. Fixtures not looking great for them and also capping Son/Kane next 4 weeks. Tjoughts?

    1. BigBillyBass
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Lose Robbo

      1. nibby
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        For?

        1. BigBillyBass
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 9 months ago

          Upgrade Soucek

    2. northstandnoise
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Great team but benching headache

  28. Zrinkec
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Is it ok to get Semedo over Saiss?

    1. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Yes

    2. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah, for sure.

    3. waldo666
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I did.

    4. FPL Notebook (John)
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      I think so.

  29. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    Martinez
    Robertson, Castagne, Lamptey
    Salah, KDB, Son, Podence
    Kane, DCL, Watkins

    Subs: Forster, Mitchell, Dunne, Reed

    What do you think of this squad going forward??

    1. BigBillyBass
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Lose Robbo

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        For who?

        1. BigBillyBass
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 9 months ago

          Upgrade Podence

        2. Fit_to_drop
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 9 months ago

          Chilwell but I personally would keep Robbo. Cant do knee jerk after 1 bad game. Liverpool looked outstanding 2 weeks ago...

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Bench sucks and podence isn’t great but otherwise looks great

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        He's got three good fixtures to prove himself.

  30. Fit_to_drop
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 9 months ago

    I have WC active. If I take out KDB who may drop .1 and sign Grealish and Kane who may both gain .1, even if I decide not to keep them, will those moves help me retain/increase team value or make no difference?

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      They need to rise by .2 for you to gain .1

      1. Fit_to_drop
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers. But if I just retained KDB my team value would drop by .1 correct?

    2. FPL Notebook (John)
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah if you remove KDB now and he falls in price you'd be able to buy him cheaper later