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5 March 2018 2316 comments
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We draw a line under Gameweek 29 this evening as Crystal Palace and Manchester United go head-to-head at Selhurst Park.

The 8pm encounter features five of the top 20 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) captains for this round of fixtures – Romelu Lukaku, David De Gea, Paul Pogba, Christian Benteke and Alexis Sanchez.

Of that quintet, Lukaku is the only one with more than 1% backing – he’s the third most popular armband pick for Gameweek 29, with 10.4% handing him the captaincy.

The Belgian’s 12-point return at home to Chelsea – a first double-digit haul since Gameweek 5 – continued the form that has now harvested four goals and an assist in his last five appearances across all competitions.

Elsewhere for the visitors, Jesse Lingard returns to the teamsheet after emerging from the bench to score the winner against Chelsea last weekend – over 43,000 drafted him in for this one.

Yet the Eagles have been fairly resilient at home in recent matches – they’ve conceded just twice in four at Selhurst Park, despite entertaining Man City and Spurs across that stretch.

Roy Hodgson’s side have only netted two goals in those encounters, which bodes well for De Gea’s 44% FPL owners, as the top scoring keeper in FPL goes in search of a sixteenth clean sheet of the campaign.

Meanwhile, a shutout for the visitors would see Antonio Valencia climb above the popular Ben Davies into fourth spot among FPL defenders.

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  1. pundit of punts
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 9 months ago

    Looking to FH in DGW37 as I don't have my TC chip left.

    Was pretty sad after TC Kane bombed in GW 22. Not feeling too bad now as I feel even a Kane explosion for TCers in DGW 37 would only get them maybe say 20 odd points.

    I feel a FH in DGW37 could be worth more as I would be putting out the optimal DGW34 BB and DGW37 teams whereas those playing FH in GW 35 would only have 2 FTs to get their DGW37 team which means they can't get all the ideal players they want for DGW37 as it would mean too many hits.

    What do others think of this?

    1. Ragabolly
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 9 months ago

      I like that idea, different and suits managers with no TC well.

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 9 months ago

      Kane famously gets loads of goals in the final games of the season

      1. pundit of punts
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 9 months ago

        I did a mock DGW 34 and DGW 'Ideal' team simulation and it's a bloodbath.

        You gotta compromise a lot on your DGW squads to maintain a fine balance between players from both the DGWS.

        Thus, I feel that maximising both the DGWS with chips could be worth more than 30 points than playing FH chip in the blank GW.

        I'll likely have 8 BGW 35 players in my WC team and thus 1 hit would give me a full XI for BGW 35 as well. But multiple hits would be required to go from ideal DGW 34 team to ideal DGW 37 team.

        Those with TC left have no choice of course.

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 9 months ago

      I submitted an article tonight arguing for a GW37 free hit.

      I still have my triple captain and I still think it makes the most sense.

      1. Jay_
          7 years, 9 months ago

          What week would you TC?

          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 9 months ago

            31.

            1. Kiwivillan
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 9 months ago

              Not even good troll

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 9 months ago

                I'm serious.

                1. Kiwivillan
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Moronic

                  1. FPL Virgin
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Good one.

            2. Jay_
                7 years, 9 months ago

                I can’t see past FH 35 if you’ve got BB and TC. 14 man BB plus Salah in 34 (8/9 from TOT/CHE/MNU/LEI/SOT) lose them 35 on a FH and get them back for 37, then use 2 FT to get XI out.

                1. pundit of punts
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  How many DGW 37 players would you have in your BBWC team?

                  1. Jay_
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      8 or 9

                      1. pundit of punts
                        • 12 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        You can't have 15 BB players with 8 or 9 from Chelsea,Leicester,Spurs and United.

                        You'd have to carry some dross. Moreover as your budget would be far more spread out on the 15 man DGWBB team, it would be difficult to get the expensive DGW 37 players you want.

                        1. Jay_
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            Swansea is our friend here. Ayew, Ki, Fernandez. (SOT, EVE) maybe even Stephens and JWP. Of course you can have 8 or 9.

                            1. pundit of punts
                              • 12 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              Won't have the big guns. Hence I mentioned about the'ideal' players part in my original post. 😉

                              1. Jay_
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  Disagree. If fixtures do go that way, I’ve got a draft with all the big guns.

                              2. Eddie
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 13 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                Yep, this.

                              3. lespaul
                                • 16 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                Some isn't FH in 35 then

                            2. Hotdogs for Tea
                              • 10 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              Mate you are spot on - especially as many will WC in 32. Expecting to carry a BB team (extra value on bench) from 32 to 37 just doesn’t work ... and we don’t even know where and when the blanks will be played

                              The scenes when Chelsea and Spurs crash out of Europe and their 31 blanks are fitted in before 34 will be of unprecedented 😉

                      2. FPL Virgin
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        I don't think you need to waste your free hit to get a decent 11 out in 35. You just need to lean your Wildcard more towards players with a double in GW34 and a fixture in 35.

                        1. Jay_
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            The teams that dgw34 and play 35 aren’t very desirable though. Burnley (meh) City (league won) The only benefit I can see from that strategy is loading up on Arsenal from 32 with no worries. Is that even a good thing though? The form they’re in.

                            1. FPL Virgin
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 9 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              A free hit can make a gameweek 35 team better but not that much better.

                              The free hit will be far more powerful cherrypicking the perfect 11 going into 37.

                              1. Jay_
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  That’s the key. 32 WC’ers will have to be quite lucky to make it all the way to 37 injury free. And it’s nice to have the FH that late. I think I’m set on TC 37 though but worried I’m already committed in my head so ignorant to other ways. Thanks for sharing. Will look forward to article.

                                  1. FPL Virgin
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • 9 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    If it gets published .....!

                                    Last one got K.B.'d

                              2. pundit of punts
                                • 12 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                2 City + 2 Swansea + 2 Arsenal + Arnie + Salah look good to me

                                Get 3 more with a hit then.

                                1. panda07
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 13 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  Swansea's gw 35 fixture is city away- no thanks! Arnie away to Arsenal too

                                  1. Hotdogs for Tea
                                    • 10 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    Ayew only

                                2. Hotdogs for Tea
                                  • 10 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  Exactly, chuck in the fillers that we all carry like Burnley defence etc and it is pretty easy, especially with a hit.

                                  People are using hits for dross or not putting a full team out in 31 when they could be using a hit for quality in 35

                    • pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Will be keeping an eye on that.

                      Maximising the DGWs with the more potent chips looks more enticing to me.

                      But, most on here with TC left probably won't agree.

                      1. FPL Virgin
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        I think 11 cherrypicked DGW players and 1 standard captain will be much more potent that 1 player Triple captained.

                        1. pundit of punts
                          • 12 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          Correct.

                          What I'm thinking atm is -

                          GW 33 - WC with 8 BGW 35 players
                          GW 34 - Save
                          GW 35 - Full team with 1 hit
                          GW 36 - Take a punt on a player
                          GW 37 - FH with 11 best DGW players
                          GW 38 - Take another punt

                          Sorted. 😀

                          1. FPL Virgin
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 9 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            Nice!

                            I think once you realise the free hit is essentially a 3rd Wildcard it opens up a lot of possibilities.

                            1. Hotdogs for Tea
                              • 10 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              This, but there are many other ways to look at it and not just what you score in the week you use it.

                    • TorresMagic™
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 16 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      What happened to GW38 FH?

                      1. FPL Virgin
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Still an option.

                  2. che
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    A lot will not bother with the traditional 15 DGW34 players. Especially with Pool at home to Bournemouth so will keep 3 of them

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Only Salah sounds good to me for DGW 34.

                      Some tasty DGW fixtures to ditch the other Pool for.

                      Everyone will have 3 Pool in their GW 31 squads anyways. Why bother WCing in GW 32/33 then?

                      1. che
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Because after 31 you will only have a few DGW34 in your squad

                        1. Hotdogs for Tea
                          • 10 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          Not if you have ignored them and used FH ... you will have the basis of your WC equivalent team already 🙂

                  3. Rhinos
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    i defo like the idea of fhc in a dgw but it depends how many chips you have left. Until know fixtures im not committing to 34 or 37

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Those with TC left don't have a choice unless they want to TC a SGW player.

                  4. agueroooooney
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Been saying this for a while. We'll know more after the next FA Cup round and the confirmation of the dates for the rescheduled games. A lot depends on how many Chelsea, Spurs and Man United players you want. If you're looking at 7+ then you kind of have to use the FH in GW35. I'm still weighing up both options for sure.

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      We'll have a sqaud of 15 to chose from in BGW 35 as we'd have just WCed with 15 BB players. Even if there are 7 players from the sides you mention, you'd still have 8 active BGW players.

                      If you save your FT in GW 34 after having WCed in GW 33, then with 1 hit you can get a full XI out in BGW 35.

                      1. agueroooooney
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        But you also already have 7 strong DGW players for 37. The players you have for 35 are likely weaker players. Some teams will fancy keeping Salah as well if he's battling to win the golden boot. So that's 8 players you're happy with for 37 and you have 2 FTs. All of a sudden you have 10 good players for 37 and can have 11 good players for 35 with your FH chip. That's still only looking at 7 from them 3 teams, some teams could have 8 or 9, and possibly an attacking player from Leicester is an option. Now you could easily be looking at a good 11 players for 37.

                        The other side to this (which I'm looking at) is if you only want 5 or 6 players from Chelsea, Spurs and Man United and none from Leicester. Now you could better off holding the FH chip until 37.

                        As I said above, it depends hugely on the amount of players you want who have two doubles.

                  5. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    The absolute biggest problem with FH GW 37 is that so many team will be at the beach and thus rotating unpredictably

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      The likes of Chelsea,Spurs,United would still be in the top 4 battle and Mahrez etc. would be playing for a move. Not too much to worry.

                      1. pundit of punts
                        • 12 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        The likes of Hazard,Azpilicueta,DDG,Lukaku,Vardy,Mahrez,Kane,Eriksen,Alli,Vert etc aren't prone to rotation anyways.

                        1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
                          • 9 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          I would at least half of those names will not have anything to play for... Man U will have second wrapped up; Leicester definitely will have nothing to play for... only Haz and Azpi might have something to play for. If any teams are in FA Cup final or CL, they will be rested.

                          1. pundit of punts
                            • 12 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            The way Liverpool are going, I don't see second wrapped up for Man utd by that time.

                            Rested for cup finals that is weeks away. No chance mate. Those players play all games if fit and no important European tie is around the corner.

                            1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
                              • 9 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              Not much of a gamble for you since you don’t have your TC... but there is no difference between 2nd and 3rd place anyway for Pool and Man U and I have my eye on Kane for 37 TC. Time will make it more clear. But I am starting to think twice about WC for 32 or 33.

                    2. FPL Virgin
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Rotation can happen in any given gameweek. If you're a good manager, you can deal with it.

                      But the 5 teams most likely to double in 37 should still have plenty to play for.

                      1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        See response above... I don’t think so...

                    3. RoysCallerAnne
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 15 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      This. In a nutshell.

                2. jimmy.floyd
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Firmino, Salah, VVD, Shaqiri, Wilson, Tomkins are my players for gw 31.
                  Am I missing anyone crucial?

                  1. Kiwivillan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Who knows. Such a crap shoot

                3. FPL Blow-In
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  What’s the qualifying score likely to be for the FFS cup?

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    LMS average of 55.44 might be a decent guide.

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      What's the saftey score?

                      1. pundit of punts
                        • 12 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Just saw it below. thanks.

                4. davies
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Thoughts on this for GW31?

                  (-8: in theory only a -4)
                  Butland
                  VVD Daniels Schindler Mariappa
                  Salah Siggy Shaqiri Mili
                  Firmino Wilson

                  Cheers.

                  1. FPL Virgin
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Why is it only a -4?

                    1. davies
                      • 11 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Removing 2 blankers

                      1. FPL Virgin
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Do hits cost less points in a blank gameweek?

                        1. davies
                          • 11 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          Already guaranteed 2 points though ya clown

                          1. Rainer
                            • 9 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            Not if you bring in Wilson for a hit and Defoe starts ahead of him.

                            1. davies
                              • 11 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              Already got Wilson. See below for the TF’s.

                          2. FPL Virgin
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 9 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            Hits cost 4 points. Always have; always will. If you believe this nonsense being peddled by people who should know better then you are a first class plum.

                            1. Deulofail
                              • 9 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              2 points for a hit is a valid way to see it at this point.

                              You're right: it's still 4 points, and that's 4 points more than other managers who already have the players that Davies wants, but it really is effectively 2 points (if you assume the bought players will get at least 2 points) when you consider only Davies' team now versus Davies' team next week.

                              Don't get caught up in the OTHER side of the myth. You don't need to take a side. The myth is there for the reason that it does make sense in some contexts, and helps us compute transfer costs in isolation.

                              And yes of course the rebuttal to this is that they aren't guaranteed 2 points, but nothing is guaranteed anyway. It's just a way of thinking about things to make a complex world more digestible for our tiny brains.

                              1. FPL Virgin
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 9 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                Hits cost 4 points. End of.

                                It's disgraceful that some people with huge profiles are going around telling people who don't know FPL very well that hits are half price in 31.

                                1. TorresMagic™
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • Has Moderation Rights
                                  • 16 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  It's like buying a lottery ticket, more tickets, more chance of winning something.

                                  1. FPL Virgin
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • 9 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    Hits still cost 4 points. These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed.

                                    1. Deulofail
                                      • 9 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      Haha there you go again. End of. Black and White. Team chosen. There's no disgrace here. I agree we need to check our myths, but you are taking it to an extreme in this case without taking a moment's pause to really consider it.

                                      The 2 points myth comes from the idea that you are almost guaranteed 2 appearance points from a nailed player.

                                      If you disagree with the idea that it's guaranteed, you are no more sensible than everyone else. Because everyone knows it's not guaranteed.

                                      Perhaps we could say that given a 1000 simulations, the number of points given (minus returns from attack, defence and bps) is 1.85*, not 2.0. That means the hit costs approx. 2.15. That's still better than 4.0.

                                      If you're still caught up in the idea that if you don't take a hit that's 0pts versus if you do take a hit, that's 4 (and 0-4 = -4), You're right. 0-4 is 0-4. But if you don't take the hit, you don't get the 1.85 pts that you were likely to get (from appearance).

                                      If you're comparing your team to another, it's the same. If you have the same team, and only one of them takes a hit, you can take away the appearance points from the hit for an "effective" cost of the hit.

                                      The logic you use can be applied to teams that don't take a hit (but also don't need to take a hit). For them, 0points is better than -4 points by the exact amount of -4 because they won't get extra points from appearance than they would if they did nothing. These people will have planned to have more playing players at this points than others, so may (or may not) have suffered extra losses of points along the way.

                                      *Number plucked from thin air

                                  2. RedLightning
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • Has Moderation Rights
                                    • 15 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    If you spend £20 on lottery tickets and only win a £10 prize then you will finish up £10 out of pocket.
                                    The more tickets you buy, the more you should expect to lose, even if you do collect a few small prizes along the way.
                                    Buying a lottery ticket might give you a small chance of winning a very big prize that would change your life, but even if you buy a lot of tickets your chances of winning the jackpot will still be extremely small.

                                    If you take a lot of hits then there is an increased chance that some of them will turn out well, but also an increased chance that the overall returns after deducting the cost of the hits will be negative.
                                    Each hit should be judged on its own merits - there is no inherent advantage in taking a greater number (unless you're playing for a high TV rather than for immediate points).

                                    And even in a blank game-week, a new player replacing a blank for a hit still needs 4 points to break even that game-week. He might get more than 4 points - he might score less than 2 - but if he has only been averaging 3 points per match and there is no good reason to expect him to better that in the blank game-week then you should expect to make a loss on the transaction.

                                    1. Deulofail
                                      • 9 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      Everything you say is true, but it's not an argument against the idea that the effective cost of a hit is lower when selling a blank player for a player that is very likely to start and get 2 points than in a normal week when you might be selling a playing player for a playing player.

                                      You're simply saying that judging on a case by case basis, the hit might not be worth it. Well, of course! 😀

                                    2. RedLightning
                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                      • Has Moderation Rights
                                      • 15 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      It is true that a player brought in for a hit in a blank game-week needs fewer points to break even than one brought in for a hit to replace another player, but what I am saying is that the 2 points figure is irrelevant.

                                      To replace a blank for a hit, the new player needs to score 4 points to break even that game-week. There is no guarantee that he will score even 2 points, even if he starts - he might get injured and taken off after 57 minutes, he might get a yellow card, and if he is a defender he might lose a point for conceding a couple of goals. So ignore the 2 points, the important figure is the 4 points required to repay the hit. If you expect him to score more than 4 then it's worth the hit, but if you expect him to score less than 4 then it isn't.

                                      To replace another player for a hit, the new player needs to score 4 points more than the player he replaces in your starting eleven in order to break even for that game-week, and the player he replaces in the starting eleven would not necessarily have been expected to score exactly 2 points - his expected score could be greater than 2, it could be less - the important consideration is whether or not you expect the new player to score at least 4 points more than the replaced player.

                                    3. RedLightning
                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                      • Has Moderation Rights
                                      • 15 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      (This was intended to be a reply to Deulofail).

                                    4. Deulofail
                                      • 9 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      Yep. Replacing a blank player or a playing player costs 4 points for a hit either way, yet it is likely you will make up appox 2 points more on one of the hits than the other.

                                      I don't see a problem with visualising this by placing those 2 points on the 'given' side of the equation in order to help you make a decision. There's a crusade to stop a myth that doesn't exist.

                                      You're just ascribing hypothetical points to players to help you compute the hypothetical transfer. You do the same with any other transfer, hit or not. You take points that are not guaranteed and fly them over to the 'given' side of the equation, so that you can weigh up other factors. All the while, you are aware that these hypothetical 'given' points are hypothetical (not guaranteed).

                                      Let people think how they want to think. It's not irrational. The irrational part is the myth: the sense that you are essentially getting 2 points for free, because you assume the hit is unavoidable (you haven't planned for it); or the idea that every player has the same chance of starting, playing 60mins, getting a YC, etc.

                                2. Rhinos
                                  • 12 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  the amount of importance you place on 4 or 5 beardy blokes chatting about their hobby is all sorts of lol

                              2. Cmac82
                                • 11 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                I’m happy with others seeing it this way as there’s potential for throwing away points. Dont see how it’s worth -2. If you take a hit you’re-4 points behind to start, player needs to score 4 points to break even.

                                1. Deulofail
                                  • 9 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  Everything you say is true. But 2 points of those 4 should come pretty easily, unless of course you choose a dud.

                                  This is different from normal weeks, where a player needs 4 points on top of the 2 appearance points to break even (=6).

                                  Virgin's way is to see a normal hit as -6 and a blank hit as -4, but still call the -6 a -4, as if they are equal.

                                  1. Deulofail
                                    • 9 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    Of course he is right that -4 = -4. And if you have 11 starting players, then a hit is a hit is a hit. But that doesn't mean there's no such thing as an effective cost under the circumstance that you don't have 11 players.

                                    1. Hotdogs for Tea
                                      • 10 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      A hit is always -4, the pay-off is the points a player gets and you simply can’t ‘bank’ the 2 points a player may get before a ball is kicked, especially for a defender. For example Ota has failed to get even 2 points 8 times this season - very misleading indeed

                                    2. Deulofail
                                      • 9 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      So you would be equally as conservative with a hit decision when selling a blank player compared to selling a playing player?

                                      When you make a hit in a normal week for -4, you can't bank any points either, yet you still make the decision to pull the trigger based on hypothetical points.

                                      If that's how you wanna play the game, I'd say it gives me a slight advantage.

                                  2. Cmac82
                                    • 11 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    Correct, that’s the way I look at it too.

                                2. Fitzy.
                                  • 14 Years
                                  7 years, 9 months ago

                                  Or to score 2 points to make the hit effectively a -2, which is what the thread is about. A clean sheet, save points, an assist, goal, bonus points on top of that and the cost comes down even more obviously. Flip side of course is that a yellow card, or multiple conceded goals etc adds to the cost. Each to their own as to how they think it may pan out and to do what they think will work best for their team. There's no hard and fast rules as to how it should be approached.

                                  1. Deulofail
                                    • 9 Years
                                    7 years, 9 months ago

                                    I don't know if you can call a CS/goal etc part of the cost of the hit. As you say, there are no hard and fast rules, but it's easier to mentally compute if you take into account the areas where points are most likely/most basic: appearance. Remember that we're comparing the new player to a player who isn't even playing, so the points they get for turning up is the extra you get compared to a normal hit. All the CSs/goals etc are just like a normal hit, you're hoping they repay the hit over the course of one-to-however many games. Same in a BGW (though only one game if you are WCing in GW32).

                                    It's basically the same however you think of it though, and there's no need for people to call people out everytime they talk about an effective -2pt hit. You could still say it's -4 but factor the appearance, CSs, goals and everything into the decision, rather than splitting it. And you'll find that if you are selling a player who blanks for a player who doesn't, you are likely to get nearly 2pts more from the sale than if you were selling a playing player. What's the difference? Why the all the 'mythbusting'? Hah

                                    1. Fitzy.
                                      • 14 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      Agree, my reply was to Cmac82 btw...

                                    2. Deulofail
                                      • 9 Years
                                      7 years, 9 months ago

                                      🙂

                            2. Fitzy.
                              • 14 Years
                              7 years, 9 months ago

                              Speaking of first class plums...

                              1. FPL Virgin
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 9 Years
                                7 years, 9 months ago

                                This made me laugh outloud. Great one liner 😆

                          3. TorresMagic™
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • Has Moderation Rights
                            • 16 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            Guaranteed 😀

                          4. waldo666
                            • 15 Years
                            7 years, 9 months ago

                            No one is guaranteed 2 points, off before 60 mins or a YC blows this theory out of the water.

                  2. Kiwivillan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    There's some junk in there that I think -8 is a waste on. Everton lost last 4 away. Wouldn't go near. Watford defender what's the point? Daniels not even best Bournemouth defender and they have 1 CS since GW13. Who are the hits for??? I have 5 players atm and don't think I'll get much more than 8 with FT

                    1. davies
                      • 11 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Already got Mariappa and Daniels.

                      The transfers will be:
                      Elliot > Butland
                      Mee > Schindler
                      Mahrez > Shaq
                      Arnie > Siggy

                      1. Kiwivillan
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Are you WC after? Gamble I suppose but don't see Siggy doing much and wonder if anyone bar Liverpool and maybe Stoke keep CS

                        1. davies
                          • 11 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          Yeah.

                          Could save the Mahrez > Siggy hit I suppose...

                5. @fpl_phenom
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Help!

                  DDG
                  Otamendi VVD Bauer
                  Salah Sterling Sanchez Walcott
                  J. Ayew Kane Firmino

                  Elliot Ogbonna Milli Holgate

                  2FT’s £0.4M ITB

                6. FPL Blow-In
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Willian or Mkhitaryan? Willian has Spurs after the blank.

                  1. Sotamendi84
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Mlhi out of those 2

                  2. Kiwivillan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Neither but never Mkhi total joke in FPL.

                7. Sotamendi84
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  RP
                  Which two to start?
                  A) ogbonna (BUR)
                  B) dawson (LEI)
                  C) Lingard (LIV)
                  D) niasse (BHA)

                  1. FPL Blow-In
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    CD

                8. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 16 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Last Man Standing GW29 🏆

                  Safety score = 49
                  Top score = 80
                  LMS safety score = 55.44

                  385 : 77 eliminated
                  308 through to GW30
                  Up to 20% or at least 62 out next GW.
                  2 former winners and Jonty are some who are through.
                  Congrats to all the survivors 🙂

                  1. Ragabolly
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Still in!
                    Thanks TM as always

                    1. TorresMagic™
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 16 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Well done, great work with the overall rank calculator.
                      Expect it to be correct shortly. 🙂

                  2. Impossibility
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Can't believe I'm still in this. Thanks TM.

                    1. TorresMagic™
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 16 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Very nice, sounds impossible 🙂

                9. ankj70
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Alonso and Mkhitaryan -> hazard and Christensen for -4?

                10. Tmel
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Currently leading my rival by 40 points in our cash league, we have similar teams and I have all my chips left, he has all but his FH. We both have 5 GW31 players each and I'm wondering in my circumstances I'm. Best off using my FH31?

                  It should hopefully enable me to gain 15-20 points in him, whereas he will have WCed before GW35 and would definitely be able to field 11, my FH may not be as effective against him then

                  1. agueroooooney
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                11. Rhinos
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  if you could captain anyone in the whole of fpl this week who would it be?
                  The only caveat is it can't be Kane or Salah

                  1. Rainer
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Aguero.

                  2. FPL Blow-In
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Aguero or Mahrez

                  3. El Lobito 10
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Haz

                  4. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    RMT has some interesting answers currently.
                    Fixture wise, nothing really stands out as Leicester are away.

                  5. Norman Conquest
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    auba

                    1. RoysCallerAnne
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 15 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      This

                      1. Rhinos
                        • 12 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        arsensl were awful though. I own aub but not feeling the armband

                  6. waldo666
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Hazard

                  7. Rhinos
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    interesting, id love kun but he's the only one of those options that wouldn't be free

                12. FFSbet.com
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  A Paddy Power statement read: "We have PAID OUT on Arsene Wenger to be the next Premier League manager sacked. All bets prior to 9.30am this morning now paid out. Enjoy!"

                  1. Rhinos
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    its a pr exercise, nothing nore nothing less

                13. BENFICA É MERDA
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Obgonna out for:

                  A- Steve Cook
                  B- Dawson
                  C- Bauer

                  1. Duffy Dunk
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    C

                  2. dunas_dog
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    C

                  3. waldo666
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    C

                14. Srv210
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Which one to start
                  A) Robertson(A) vs man utd
                  B) Wilson (H) vs spurs
                  C) milivojevic (A) vs Chelsea
                  D) mariappa (A) vs arsenal

                  Thinking of A or B, suggestions??

                  1. dunas_dog
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    A

                  2. Rainer
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Close between A or B.

                15. jimmy.floyd
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Bench one
                  A VVD
                  B Wilson
                  C Shaqiri

                  1. dunas_dog
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    B

                16. The White Pele
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Willian. Keep or sell to siggy?

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Could easily be rested for CL.
                    Would make the move late if at all.

                    1. The White Pele
                      • 8 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Thats my thoughts. Cheers

                  2. FPL Blow-In
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    I’d keep. I’m considering getting him. They are chasing the top 4 surely he needs to be playing?

                    1. The White Pele
                      • 8 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      I think the top 4 is over for chelsea but who knows

                      1. FPL Blow-In
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        They play Spurs soon and Spurs play City 2weeks after. Could be 6 points gained there alone. Definitely not out of the race.

                17. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 16 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Score Predictions?

                  Stoke vs Man City
                  B'mouth vs Spurs

                  1. FPL Blow-In
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    0-2
                    1-2

                  2. waldo666
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    1 - 3
                    0 - 2

                  3. Rainer
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    0-2
                    1-3

                    1. El Lobito 10
                      • 8 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      0-1
                      0-2

                  4. Norman Conquest
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    0-1
                    1-1

                  5. Krafty Werks
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    1-2
                    1-3

                  6. pundit of punts
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    0-3
                    1-2

                  7. Forever In Our Shadow
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    2-4
                    2-4

                  8. Ziyech on the Bench
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    1-2
                    1-2

                18. FPL Blow-In
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  I’m not sure if Aguero is going to be rotated too much, even after the league is won, with him chasing the golden boot right? Or am I clutching?

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Champs League.

                    1. FPL Blow-In
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Yeah... clutching then... cheers

                      1. TorresMagic™
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • Has Moderation Rights
                        • 16 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Be grateful they are out of FA Cup. Jesus back helps with the workload.

                19. walkman666
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Overall rank updated

                20. El Lobito 10
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  A. Jones>Christensen
                  B. Jones>Bavies
                  C. Hold

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 16 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    WC32?

                    1. El Lobito 10
                      • 8 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      No WC. No FH.

                      1. El Lobito 10
                        • 8 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        Any takers? Thanks in advance

                  2. Alonso The Great Midfielder
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    is it spurs defence still looking good? away fixtures and against City and Che in next four fixtures

                21. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 16 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Overall rank calculator correct again 😀

                  1. Ragabolly
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Phew, very happy! Hopefully next week it will tell you the good news of breaking into top 10k

                    1. Fitzy.
                      • 14 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Yeah, well done, mine was spot on.

                22. Rainer
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  OR Updated.

                  Ragabolly spot on again, impressive stuff!

                  1. Ragabolly
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Very happy I got it running week in week out! Thanks mate

                23. che
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Small green arrow with 55 in 4K rank. Shaw cameo did me out of extra 6 though 🙁

                  1. John t penguin
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Why do you have shaw

                    1. che
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Bought him when Young was out and had other issues to fix. Thought he might rest Young tonight

                24. MartialMatas
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  only managed to get out 9 this week.
                  Use both FT or try to keep 1 for next week?
                  Saving FH for 35. Probably WC in 32 or 33

                  DDG Adrian
                  Otamendi Daniels Bauer Ogbonna Kenny
                  Salah Mane Sterling Walcott Ibe
                  Kane Firmino Ulloa

                  2FTs 2.3m itb

                25. John t penguin
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  How far behind the leader to think is too far to win it at this stage?
                  Asking for a stranger

                  1. John t penguin
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    *do you not to

                26. pundit of punts
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Ideas on this lot? Looking to get a GW 31 player in.

                  DDG - Pereira
                  Keane - Dunk - Fernandez - Francis - Hunemeier
                  Salah - Mane - Eriksen - Mahrez - Walcott
                  Kane - Firmino - Quaner

                  1 FT and 0.4m in the bank.

                  I'm thinking Dunk ➡ GW 31 def. Which one though?

                  Or, maybe save? But, defs have bad fixtures.

                  1. John t penguin
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Huddersfield seems decent option. Though would even consider DDG to a 31 keeper, that united team could lose a few against pool

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Cheers.

                      DDG's GW 32 fixture at home to SWA is stopping me from doing that.

                27. RoysCallerAnne
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  1,370 OR.

                  Consecutive top 1k is well on now.

                  When you're hot, you're hot 😎

                  1. FPL Blow-In
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Great job

                  2. John t penguin
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Your reign at top of Wigan was short

                    1. RoysCallerAnne
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 15 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      gurrrr

                      1. John t penguin
                        • 11 Years
                        7 years, 9 months ago

                        I am going to do a leicester this year 🙂

                        1. RoysCallerAnne
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 15 Years
                          7 years, 9 months ago

                          😀

                  3. Ragabolly
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Very impressive!! Hang in there

                  4. pundit of punts
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Nicely done.

                  5. walkman666
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Very good. Keep it up, and uh, post your moves! You’re obviously doing things correctly!

                  6. Ógie
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Well done RCA i will be looking forward to seeing you in the consecutive 1k club. 😉

                    We should start an exclusive back to back top 1k mini league. 😉

                28. theodosios
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  How the hell that was an assist for Sanchez??? That wouldn't be counted as assist even in the NBA.So if someone shoot the ball and hit the opposing player, then the ball is bounced of a crossbar and goal scorer makes another 3 contacts before hitting the net ITS AN ASSIST??? Can someone explain without trolling?

                  1. Rhinos
                    • 12 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    why shouldn't it be an assist? Had the ball gone under the bar it would have been Sanchez's goal

                  2. RoysCallerAnne
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    It was a shot on target that got deflected onto the crossbar, then Lukaku hax 2 or 3 touches and scored.
                    It's an FPL assist rather than an OPTA assist.
                    Them's the rules.

                    1. Fitzy.
                      • 14 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Admittedly I was watching the game via a dodgy stream, but it looked like Lukaku's first touch was off his hand.

                  3. John t penguin
                    • 11 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    Doesn’t matter how many touches scorer has, it came to him directly from rebounded shot

                29. Alonso The Great Midfielder
                  • 13 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  Zeegalar to :
                  a)GW31 defender(thinking zanka/sclinder)
                  b)Che/city defender (Rudiger/otamendi)
                  c)someone else?

                  1. Ziyech on the Bench
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    A - Schindler

                30. pundit of punts
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 9 months ago

                  How long till price changes?

                  1. Ragabolly
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 9 months ago

                    15 mins

                    1. pundit of punts
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 9 months ago

                      Ta