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How to stop the Mane ‘bad beat’ affecting your FPL season

Fantasy Premier League and the game of Texas Hold’ Em Poker have a lot of similarities.

You’re playing a game of cards throughout the night and there sometimes comes a hand where you have played everything correctly and, statistically, the odds are in your favour.

But then the least probable outcome happens. Your Sadio Mané (£12.5m) Triple Captain goes off injured early. That’s just how the dice rolls sometimes.

In Poker, we call it a ‘bad beat’. Over the course of the night, you have about 150-200 hands to play and there will be times when you do face a bad beat; a statistically unfavourable outcome (more than once in a lot of cases).

What separates the skilled players from the normal players in Poker though are the ones that temperamentally do not get affected by the statistically improbable ‘bad beat’ and continue hammering on with their strategy and trust. Despite a few setbacks along the way, they should end the night with a positive outcome with or without minor adjustments.

Keeping your temperament in control is incredibly important. It’s very easy to go ‘on tilt’ and make a series of low probability, irrational decisions after facing a bad beat.

I was talking to Trigg from the FFS boards while writing this in the morning and he had an important point to make here. As humans, we have a tendency to want instant gratification. We want our money (FPL points) back right away and that sometimes leads to poor decision making.

Clear your head and think again.

Mane, Abraham and Vardy injury updates ahead of FA Cup fourth round weekend

My good friend from the FFS boards, Prophet was telling me about a Serbian saying that when roughly translated in English goes like this – “Mom didn’t blame you for gambling but for trying to dig yourself out of the hole”.

The digging yourself out here means first putting in 100 Euros, then 500 and eventually your house. Tilts are dangerous and we should avoid them. The good Poker players are always looking to hunt and find which of their competitors are going ‘on tilt’ so that they can exploit them for some serious money.

Sometimes, you’re not really lucky throughout the night (or your FPL season) and other nights (seasons) you will be more fortunate than normal. Don’t pay attention to the improbable outcomes. We might not even know about it but we’ve probably made a few ‘statistically stupid’ decisions ourselves that have worked out for the best but it is human tendency to remember only the ones that don’t land on your side of the court.

FPL in some ways is similar. You’re making a skilled decision for an unknown outcome. Arguably, you have more control in Poker but there are similarities. There are factors you control and others you don’t. I wrote an article earlier this season that we are making about 140-150 FPL decisions a season:

  • Initial Team + 2 Wildcards + 1 Free Hit = 4 x 15 = 60
  • 38 Captains = 38
  • 3 Chips = 3
  • 35-55 Transfers throughout the season

Naturally, the FPL chips and your captaincies are your relatively high impact decisions. There is more at stake than normal. But they are still not going to decide your ‘entire’ season. All that has happened with some of the high impact decisions not coming your way is that you have received a ‘bad beat’ in a pot in which you have invested a lot of money. It happens. We’ve seen it over the years and if you want to develop as an FPL/ Poker player, don’t let this affect you, laugh it off, clear your head and continue doing what you are doing.

I’ve faced both sides of the coin very recently. The Jamie Vardy (£9.9m) to Sergio Aguero (£12.0m) captain move which worked out spectacularly (I’ve since sold the Manchester City forward and I’m plotting to get him back). But then, of course, I Triple Captained Mané and that turned out to be quite spectacular in its own right. Just goes to see that no one can really see the future and we’re all playing a game where we’re trying to put ourselves in an advantageous position week on week is all. 

Aguero asking the question of non-owners as De Bruyne ticks over

You have to think of your current position as the starting line. AK, another good friend of mine from the FFS boards says that in Poker, whatever be the case, you have to focus on salvaging your ‘current position’. There is a lot of the game left to be played.  Most of us still have about 50 to 60 decisions remaining in the season. That is about 40% of your decision-making pool. There is a lot you can do to affect that.

  • If you’re ranked at around the 1 million mark right now, 500k is just 37 points ahead. That’s one good differential captaincy in my eyes.
  • If you’re ranked at around 500k right now, 100k is just 59 points ahead right now.
  • If you’re ranked at 100k right now, 10k is only 55 points ahead.

If you look at the game this way, you realize that you can still have the rub of the green, have some decisions working in your way and who knows where you will land at the end of the season.

I’d recommend not looking back at what has already happened; instead, plot further ahead (or just take a break and enjoy the FA Cup football over the weekend) and salvage your current position.

The game is more fun that way. Make yourselves immune to the ‘bad beats’. If you’re far away from your actual goal, experiment with some new strategies for the next season. Re-condition your mind to the changing nature of FPL, or check if your current strategy will take you through this night (season) of FPL Poker and go past the bad beats.

Don’t forget it’s a game that we’re playing for fun based around a sport we watch for enjoyment (supposedly!). Don’t make it anything else. I’m currently sitting at an overall rank of 528 and I definitely intend on having fun with the privileged position I am in. Let’s see where it takes me.

Here’s to no more bad beats.

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  1. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Afternoon everyone I have a four transfer plan over the next three game weeks.....however .....
    Ings > for

    A, Vardy.
    B. Haller. ( does have Brighton next and currently fit )
    C. Tammy.
    D. Save .........currently on this but Mane, injury also needs looking at have Salah & KDB

    1. zotter
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Wait for the time being. Likely Vardy only misses one game. Perhaps get news on mane

    2. Maddi Son
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Easiest D ever IMO.

      Just hold out one more GW and the fixtures are amazing. He's #1 on my list to bring in next week, can't wait to get rid of Maupay.

    3. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Save

  2. Lokomotivvv
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Used my Wc for this one.

    Henderson (Button)
    Taa Gomez Lund Tanganga Mariappa
    Salah KDB Perez Cantwell Hayden
    Ings Auba Aguero

    My midfield is the part that concerns me most. Also the possible blank in Gw 28 for Arsenal and City...

    Maybe it‘s more balanced if Ingo Auba>Jimi and Hayden/Cant>Traore? Think Auba will outscore Jimi over the next couple of Gw‘s though.

    1. zotter
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Do you reckon Lund is safe. Even aguero might see rotation soon around champs league

      1. PapaWengzz
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        I think it's an easy switch to another defender but it's worth waiting to see if he gets his spot back for anyone who got him at or around 4.0, even on WC.

    2. PapaWengzz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah the midfield is too weak. I'd do that move

  3. FantaCity
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    I'm getting royally sick of articles and references on this site connecting FPL to gambling ... apart from the obvious problems - this site being used regularly by under 18s etc - FPL is simply game involving strategy and planning which is no doubt why some gamblers are good at it, but so are chess players, so are all kinds of professionals whose jobs include forward planning.
    Gamble if you choose to, fine, but please stop banging on about it on this site.
    Signed
    Your Dad

    1. zotter
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Agree with your sentiment. This is highly enjoyable harmlesss fun. Gambling can be too. But totally different and potentially highly dangerous

    2. Dr.Oftaw
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Plenty of mini leagues with money involved

    3. Maddi Son
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Former destructive gambler and FPL was my antidote. Sometimes when I have a bad week on FPL I try to remember how many thousands I've saved because of this game. Always helps.

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        FPL is my antidote as well actually!

        Makes sense as well because I was rubbish at gambling and now I’m rubbish at FPL 😆

    4. Ragabolly
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Agreed and had the same concern.

    5. Cruyff's Eleven
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Second that!

      Thank you sir.

    6. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Well said.

      Ex gambler addict (mug) here, I can safely say it’s a mugs game and advertisements for it make no sense. Tempting people into gambling at an early age can be a dangerous road to go down when they don’t even know the meaning of money.

    7. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Ain't it, no idea why they do it!

    8. FantaCity
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Football "too dependent" on gambling
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51242829

    9. Conik
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Not as sick as I am of moral busybodies opining on what others should and shouldn't read and write.

      1. FantaCity
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        There's a place for everything, and you're entitled to your opinion - please have the decency to let others express theirs

  4. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Mane out for 3 weeks!
    Could be worse.

    1. BNMC
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Source?

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Reports from AS etc.. this morning, hope he is fine or at least come back before atletico madrid game.

        1. BNMC
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          If anyone's interested, Brentford are coming very close

        2. Cruyff's Eleven
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          What is AS etc?

    2. zotter
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Really?

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Looks like that

    3. Fantasy Gold
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Sauce?

    4. zotter
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      That’s just the saints game then perhaps ? Though they may wrap him in wool until the Atletico game.

      1. BNMC
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        He'd miss SOU and nor then.

    5. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Anyone care to post an actual source?

      1. Now I'm Panicking
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        That'll be a no then

        1. DontPiqueTooSoon
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          cannot see anything online in reference to 3 weeks. has anyone actually got the source!? likely bullshit at this stage

  5. PapaWengzz
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Robbo or VVD on WC?

    1. Totti
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      robbo

    2. BNMC
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      If you get VVD, what would you do with the extra 0.5? If you have the money lying around, go for Robbo.

      1. PapaWengzz
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Yeah I have no use for the spare cash as of now. Thanks!

    3. Over Midwicket
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      VVD

  6. HashAttack
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    What to do with Firmino and Ings and gw25
    Just play them and not expect much?

    1. Totti
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      play them

    2. BNMC
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I own both and am playing both.

    3. PapaWengzz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      What do you mean lol Wolves put 3 past Sou last weekend at that was at St Mary's. You can feel pretty good about owning bobby playing Sou at Anfield.

      1. HashAttack
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        but it's Bobby at Anfield ... not the opposition

    4. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Bobby doesn't do home points (5-2-8-2-2-2-2-4-2-2-2-2)

      Ings might poach one vs his former club though...

      But it'll be tough

    5. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Bobby finally is going to score at Anfield

  7. Totti
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    pope ryan
    TAA soyuncu lundstran kelly rico
    Mane KDB snodgrass traore cantwell
    aguero vardy firmino

    1FT 0.4 itb

    A) wildcard
    B) mane-> son and firmino -> auba (-4)
    C) mane-> salah
    D) other suggestion

    1. PapaWengzz
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Easy C. Great team, definitely not A

    2. Bun Rab
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      C obv depending how long Mane is out for.

    3. I Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      C

  8. BNMC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Reply fail above.
    If anyone's interested, Brentford are coming very close.

  9. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Spurs and Southampton putting out strong teams

    Spurs: Lloris (C), Aurier, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Tanganga, Winks, Gedson, Lo Celso, Alli, Son, Moura
    Subs: Gazzaniga, Foyth, Vertonghen, Dier, Ndombele, Sessegnon, Lamela

    Southampton: Gunn, Danso, Stepheens, Bednarek, Bertrand, Hojbjerg, Ward-Prowse, Armstrong, Redmond, Obafemi, Ings
    Subs: Lewis, Yoshida, Romeu, Smallbone, Djenepo, Boufal, Adams

    1. Over Midwicket
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No McCarthy

      1. FPL Pillars
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Given day off looks like

    2. Differential C (Mark)
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Strong lineup. Hopefully Gunn plays well, decent keeper if his confidence is up. Danso has played decently at RB a few times.

    3. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      If Ings plays 90 we'll all get grumpy

  10. KINGS
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Grealish or Fleck?

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Jackieeeee

    2. Bun Rab
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Grealish form v Fleck Fixtures. I'd say Grealish.

    3. I Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Grealish

    4. Sterling Malory
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Both.

      They're my 4th and 5th mids.

  11. Lignja
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Pope, Martin
    Taa, Soyuncu, Lundstram, Kelly, Rico
    Salah, Mane, Kdb, Traore, Dendoker
    Abraham, Vardy, Ings

    Abraham, Mane, Soyuncu:

    A. Auba, Son, Wiliams
    B. Auba, D.Silva, Vvd
    C. Auba, Grealish, Robertson

    On C atm, all 3 are for -8 hit but i want to save my wc and this is only players i rly want to change (if Mane is inyured) + Rico and Kelly but dont look like need wc.

    1. Bun Rab
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      C if any of those.

  12. BNMC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Maddison is getting a 12-minute cameo

  13. Now I'm Panicking
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Why do modern footballers wear bras?

    1. FPL Pillars
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Those massive man pecks can give your back a hard time. Better to support them.

    2. Bun Rab
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      So they can track real time growth.

  14. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Lundstram on the bench again today.

    1. BNMC
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I wouldn't read too much in a cup game

    2. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Good thing. Sheffield Utd pretty much playing their second XI. Shows that Lundstram is considered a first teamer.

    3. Bun Rab
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Perfect. Save him for Palace so he can get subbed off at 65 to keep a cleanie. It wouold only increse his legend.

  15. BNMC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Brentford almost equalise but it's offside!

  16. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Perez minutes for Leicester today are interesting. Last time he was benched was vs Wigan in the 3rd Round. Played a lot of minutes since. Benching incoming?

    1. BNMC
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Could get rest at Villa park on Tuesday.

    2. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      could mean Vardy is fcked.

  17. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Strong West Ham team: Owners be hoping for no injuries.

    Randolph, Zabaleta, Balbuena, Diop, Cresswell, Sanchez, Rice, Fornals, Lanzini, Ajeti, Haller

    Noble benched. Snodgrass and Masuaku miss out with injury ( Both Knee )

    1. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Finally Ajeti up top with Haller. Tifo football called that in the summer.
      I'm not sure west ham can count on much depth right now (no sign of signings too).

  18. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    If Southampton lose against Spurs today then one of Southampton vs Arsenal or Wolves vs Bournemouth will go ahead in the PL in GW31.

  19. BNMC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Leicester win 1-0. Now if they beat AVL in midweek they will for sure miss GW28.

    1. Cruyff's Eleven
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Get rid of Vardy and Maddy now!

  20. iL PiStOlErO
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Any ideas what to do here?

    Thinking of doing something with that front line. Party was the one to go anyways but the question is what to do with other two. Waiting to see Bobby vs WH and end of transfer window. Maybe willing to risk with Kun/Auba, also Jimmy, Ings are always options.

    Ramsdale Martin
    TAA Soy Lund Kelly Cathart
    Salah KdB Son Grealish Dendo
    Vardy Firmino Maupay

    1ft, 0.0 itb

  21. BNMC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    ASM is back for Newcastle

  22. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    why is everyone worried about gw 28
    perfect fh time

    1. Nailed Jesus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Because it isn’t, and 31 is.

      1. Jullepuu
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Would it then be a good idea to wildcard for game week 28 or is there a better time for that later on?

        1. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Gameweek 37 will be the biggest Double gameweek. My strategy would be to wildcard in GW36 and benchboost in GW37. The downside to that is a earlier wildcard could potentially gain you points over a number of weeks beforehand, so it depends on how your team is set up to navigate any other blanks or doubles before that.

          1. dansmusen
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            Have all my chips left...strategy for TC if i go your route ?

            1. Revival
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 3 months ago

              Gameweek 34 could yet be a mini double gameweek and also have a blank fixture so could be a good time to play it. Outside of that Liverpool are at home to Villa in GW33 and if that was the match where they could mathematically win the league I would expect them to score a lot of goals in that one.

              1. dansmusen
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 2 months ago

                Liverpool at home against Villa sounds like great fixture to play TC..Thanks

    2. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      GW34 which is likely to have both blanks and DGW's looks like it's going to be the best GW to FH

      1. Now I'm Panicking
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Could be a shout if 6+ teams have a DGW that week.

  23. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Best midfielder to have for the next free anyone?? Not Salah or KDB

    1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      *next three

    2. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Grealish.

  24. FDMS All Starz
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Who would you downgrade this Gw? vardy or Mane? Or keep both? First 2 subs are Soy & C.Taylor

  25. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    West Ham 0-1 WBA

    Already a question of how many goals will Liverpool get Wednesday.

    1. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Salah hatty would be nice with a Trent trio of assists

    2. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Many had to just laugh at the Mane injury given how absurd it was.
      I feel like that whenever I watch west ham right now... We'll be going down from what I've seen.

      1. Revival
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Those home games ( after Liverpool ) are going to be vital for the hammers

  26. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Which 2 would you get on a wc?

    A. Aguero
    B. Auba
    C. Son

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      A&C

    2. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      A and B if I could afford

    3. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      A and C.

    4. Dr Mulholland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      B then A

    5. FPL Blow-In
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Why Son

  27. Bruno Bruno!!
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Yes or No:

    Tosun + Martial -> Fleck + Aubameyang (-4)

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

    2. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No.

  28. Cojones of Destiny
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    current line up
    Salah, Mane*, Mahrez, Grealish, KDB
    Vardy, DCL
    mane to ??? suggestions pls

    1. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Son, Alli, David Silva, Barnes, Traore.

  29. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Best GK on a WC?

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Henderson or Dubravka

    2. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Ederson - on pens

      1. Gudjohnsen
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Has Pep confirmed it?

        1. lindeg
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          think he might be if aguero is not on the pitch

        2. Now I'm Panicking
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          We wish

  30. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Austin missed a great chance for WBA...should have been 2-0