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14 January 2023 1409 comments
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The Manchester derby is the first Premier League match of the day and kicks off at Old Trafford at 12:30pm GMT.

United and City are two of the four clubs who ‘double’ in Gameweek 20 and have been well-backed by Fantasy Premier League managers as a result: three of the top four most-bought players ahead of Friday’s deadline came from the these two teams.

The names in question were Luke Shaw, Marcus Rashford and Kevin De Bruyne, and all of them start this afternoon.

As for the rest of the team news, Anthony Martial is fit enough to start for the hosts at Old Trafford.

Shaw stays at centre-half, with Tyrell Malacia at left-back, while Fred comes in to bolster the midfield at the expense of the benched Antony.

Three City players who have struggled for Premier League game-time since the World Cup, Kyle Walker, Joao Cancelo and Phil Foden, are the only three survivors from the side that lost to Southampton in the Carabao Cup in midweek.

Foden is back on the left flank at the expense of Jack Grealish, while Walker and Cancelo’s deployment at full-back means that there is no place for Rico Lewis.

Aymeric Laporte is also among the substitutes.

GAMEWEEK 20 TEAM NEWS

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Shaw, Varane, Malacia, Fred, Casemiro, Eriksen, Fernandes, Rashford, Martial.

Subs: Heaton, Lindelof, Maguire, Martinez, Antony, Elanga, McTominay, Garnacho, Mainoo.

Manchester City XI: Ederson, Walker, Ake, Akanji, Cancelo, Rodri, De Bruyne, Silva, Mahrez, Foden, Haaland.

Subs: Ortega, Phillips, Gundogan, Grealish, Laporte, Alvarez, Gomez, Palmer, Lewis.



  1. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Thats it, no players in rest of todays games. That's sh1te.

    1. Mr. O'Connell
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Could be worse.

    2. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Have Ward and Mee. Lets see how it goes!

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      It seems I have planned out my weekend beautifully. See y'all tomorrow 😆

  2. The Parrot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Lineups?

  3. FCHaalandaise
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Rash KDB and Bruno

    32 from match 1

    Sorted!

    1. FPL Brains
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Wow, nice one mate!

    2. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Nice

  4. Old Wulfrunian
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Best defender up to 5.6 except Tottenham/Trippier?

    1. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Any of Trippier's team mates or an arsenal defender

      1. Old Wulfrunian
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        cheers

  5. Arvin-ation
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    RASHFORD(C) VINDICATED!!!!

    Thought we were cooked after he went down 1st half lmao

    1. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      He just wanted a lie down

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Maybe he just felt pain strong enough.

  6. Random Name
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Rashford clearly impeded Akanji. It's not a goal... if you argue otherwise you don't understand/never played football before

    1. Deulofail
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

      + interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate

      + interfering with an opponent by:

      ----> preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision

      ----> challenging an opponent for the ball

      ---- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent

      ----> making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

      https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

      1. Deulofail
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Which applies?

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 2 days ago

          This one - making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

          1. Deulofail
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 2 days ago

            Who's ability to play the ball was impacted? And how?

            1. Bartowski
              • 15 Years
              3 years, 2 days ago

              The ability of the goalkeeper and defenders was impacted by the fact Rashford was in control of the ball, even if he hadn't touched it.

              1. Deulofail
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 2 days ago

                It didn't impact their ability to play the ball. Only their decision of whether to try to play. "Ability" is the key word. It sets a higher bar for interference than just something psychological in the minds of the defenders.

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  3 years, 2 days ago

                  It did impact their ability because they were wafting for an action from Rashford before making their decision i.e. is he going to shoot. It's the same reason you see goals ruled out when an offside player is standing near a goalkeeper because the goalkeeper is waiting for an action from that player.

                  If this whole sequence had occurred in the penalty area it would have been ruled out.

                  1. Deulofail
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 2 days ago

                    I don't see goals ruled out for that unless the player is interfering with the keeper's line of sight. If it does happen, the refs have made a mistake.

                    1. Debauchy
                      • 12 Years
                      3 years, 2 days ago

                      Interfering with play , done deal Deu

                    2. Bartowski
                      • 15 Years
                      3 years, 2 days ago

                      Nope, in that instance, they get ruled out for this one - making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball.

                      1. Deulofail
                        • 9 Years
                        3 years, 2 days ago

                        "impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" is so clearly written to mean something different to "interferes with opponent's footballing actions", so I disagree

                      2. Bartowski
                        • 15 Years
                        3 years, 2 days ago

                        All of the rules you pasted above contain the phrase 'play the ball' though.

      2. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        "--- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent"

        This did happen^, no doubt about it.

        1. Deulofail
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 2 days ago

          Rashford made no attempt to play the ball. He was considering it, clearly. But he decided against it.

          1. Fabreghastly
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 2 days ago

            By which action he oriented the defence towards him and 'intefered with play'

            1. Deulofail
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 2 days ago

              What?

          2. Debauchy
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 2 days ago

            He was hovering around the ball and clearly confusing the defenders .

            1. Deulofail
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 2 days ago

              Not against the rules. Just read them, they are there ^

      3. Team Bobcat
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Pretty straight forward. You would wonder how even with VAR it still struggles to make sense to so many.

        Time they considered doing away with off side in the whole. Less of the nonsense that way.

        They could limit it to the penalty box for starters.

        Note: I didnt see the game so this is not a reaction to the offside in this game but I have seen enough off sides (on sides) in recent times and problem appears ro he arguments canbe made both ways a lot of the time

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Not a United fan by any means, but I do understand the phrase ‘if the referee feels…’

      Ultimately if the referee doesn’t feel it was interfering then he does not have to give offside.

      As someone who obviously knows nothing about football and has never played the game in my life, I can actually grasp that concept of the rule.

    3. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      The rule has been increasingly used to rule out goals when players are merely standing offside and clearly not interfering

      So this decision really stands out as a new interpretation at a key moment in a game that could ultimately decide who are Champions

      Shocking

    4. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      I think it’s fine. Does that mean the football I’ve played never happened? If so, what a waste.

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Yes, it never happened because RN just said so.

  7. El Presidente
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Matches shouldn't be decided by appalling referee decisions...

    1. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      How is it possible that VAR can be this poor? Are they MU fans? Even my mom would have done better.

    2. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      The VAR could change it but there was nothing to overturn. It's quite simple how it works.

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Well... I have seen VAR checking if the player being offside has affected vision for gk for example. Is that supposed to be different kind of interfering according rules?

        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 2 days ago

          I think its needs to be far more clear cut to rule it out such as a touch or a body check.

          1. Baps Hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 2 days ago

            Just affecting vision of gk with positioning and/or little movement has been enough.

    3. The Senate
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Good thing this one wasn’t! Nothing wrong with any of the goals if you understand football

  8. Total Slotball
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    ETH use of subs is very impressive in big games. Makes changes early and all impact positvely

  9. gooberman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    1bp for KDB

  10. Hy liverpool
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    ETH is the real deal.

    1. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Certainly I'm actually surprised that Man U made the decision to get him, given their decision making the past few years.

  11. MJF
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Lateriser's gone balls to the wall with a -12 that included Martial and no Kane.

    Guess his style means that he sometimes takes these risks and loses out.

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Kane hatty or YC and ban.. Nothing in between.

    2. Planet Head
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      After also having read his article this week, I think he expected most active players to take at least one hit. So maybe his logic was that a -12 is more like a -8 or -4 this week

    3. Hooky
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      I like the way he plays. Especially as I'm against him in a H2H this week!

  12. Lucky Z
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Seriously, why Pep did not try Alvarez or Gundogan after going down?

    1. DARE TO BISCAN
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Sounds rude

  13. Mom, Butters just gave me a…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Wow, I still can't believe Bruno's goal was given. Rashford influenced and distracted the whole defense in off-side position.

    Okay,.you can argue that the defense shouldn't have switched off like that. But Rashford was still physically involved.

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Play.

      To.

      The.

      Whistle.

    2. The Senate
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      They switched off when an onside midfielder was running through on goal. Their own fault

      1. Mom, Butters just gave me a…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Well. Would they have switched off, if Rashford had stopped his attempt and not chased the ball until last second?

        Same with Edison, he came out to stop Rashford but there was no need to come out in the end. But it made it much easier to score for Bruno.

        But it's 2023 not 2003 anymore, different ball game I guess.

    3. DARE TO BISCAN
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      If you're gonna discount the defence not playing well, you could say that about any goal

  14. lilmessipran
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Why have they kept the Brentford game as the late standalone kickoff? No disrespect to the teams but a lot of other games for that slot would have worked better.

    1. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Decided a while ago I guess? But yeah Everton-Soton is a huge game at the bottom

      1. The Mentaculus
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        God no, give me Brentford over that game any day

    2. MJF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      'Cause they have to show every team a certain number of times.

      1. lilmessipran
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Did not know that was a thing, makes sense in that case

    3. The Senate
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Garden centre game for sure

    4. Gandalf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      They decided a Toney hat-trick would make prime time viewing

      1. lilmessipran
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Haha

  15. Scapegoat Salah
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    No clean sheets
    Haaland blank
    Rashford goal

    Kane TC to come.

    Dreamland!

  16. It’s gonna Ben Mee
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    32 points so far. I’ll take it

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      What if you don’t want to take it?

      1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Then it’s a do over

      2. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Create another team!

  17. Scapegoat Salah
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    KdB with a cheeky BAP

    1. DARE TO BISCAN
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Both are

  18. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Same old UTD, Always cheating. They don't win many without some contrevery. Especially against the big teams. Why is anyone shocked?

    1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      * controversy

    2. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      can i get you a tissue mate?

      1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        My mummy taught me not to take anything from dirty disgusting UTD fans. I'm good thanks

    3. boc610
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Haha cheating ? Try pi***ng all over finacial fair play for the last decade . Thats cheating.

  19. Radzio
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Somehow I feel that doesn't matter for whom you are rooting for, such goals are simply hurting the game.

  20. Bobby Digital
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Massive chance to climb the rankings with a differential captain this week...

    1. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Or Haaland could haul against a very dodgy spurs defence

      1. Gizzachance
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Hope so v tot dodgy defence, usually conceding about 2 !

  21. gooberman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    Just watched the Bruno goal again. Legitimate goal. The presence of Rashford had no impact on the play or what the defenders did so not interferring.

    1. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Ederson ran towards Rashford, not Bruno.

    2. Debauchy
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Nonsense , and I have Bruno

  22. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 2 days ago

    I love how city fans want to argue about a 50 50 call when the reality is they are in deep shite with the viking up top and he can break every record and they still got worse as a team but they don't want to face that reality. May haaland stay at city for many years and may pep continue to change his unstoppable style to accommodate one person's mission to be the best player in the world. Rash is not your problem. Haaland is

    1. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Nah.

      1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        When was the last time city looked this bad?

        Living memory: ...

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 2 days ago

          Trudging off with those goalposts there...

          1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 2 days ago

            Eh?

            1. Bartowski
              • 15 Years
              3 years, 2 days ago

              Your comment was about Haaland wrecking their side not City having a bad few games.

              1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 2 days ago

                Those two are not necessarily independent facts.

                Haaland has ruined city

                City are playing crap

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  3 years, 2 days ago

                  I think their independent 'facts' so nah.

                  1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 2 days ago

                    That's why I kindly inserted the phrase not necessarily.

                    You think they are independent and I thin they are not. Time will tell.

                    Hopefully haaland ends up cities top scorer and never wins anything except golden boots.

                    Best player to never win the premiership might finally get settled

                    1. Bartowski
                      • 15 Years
                      3 years, 2 days ago

                      Nah

    2. Mirror Man
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Haaland is to City as Ronaldo was to United.

        1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 2 days ago

          Yes and no

          United had the balls to get rid of ronaldo

    3. Ange Ball
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Rashford cap here let's hope Spurs can shut up shop on Haaland.

    4. Debauchy
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      No doubt offside should have been the call for Bruno's goal ,no doubt whatsoever .
      That said as a Bruno owner and Arsenal supporter I will take it .

    5. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      (Not so) bold prediction:

      The only thing city win this year is the golden boot.

      #longnorwegianwinter

    6. Gandalf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Might become a new strategy a player constantly lurking around the goalkeeper distracting him but not touching the ball

    7. villa_til_i_die
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Didn’t see the game. Arsenal’s title to lose now, or just a bad spell for city?

      1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Pep needs a false 9

        Does that answer your question?

      2. Debauchy
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        One diabolical decision changed the game. Big games upcoming Arsenal home to MC and MU.

    8. Haa-lala-land
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      These four games on now are so tight to call.

    9. AutoFill 2021
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 2 days ago

      Salah to Ganacho, free up 8.5m?

      1. Not again Shirley
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 days ago

        Salah to anyone would be an upgrade TBH.