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  1. Mission impossible
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Saka ,, straight to the point , neither goes wide,or inside for the left foot curler ,returns have been awful, why oh why are the majority still crouching round the Telly waiting on big points every week !!! Mitchel had him again today and as others all season, but still you CAPTAIN , thoughts

    1. Bennerman
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Initial thoughts are that "neither goes wide,or inside for the left foot curler" is some particularly crude 'insight' and therefore will be lapped up by the general imbecile who proliferates these page

      1. The Mentaculus
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Aww, we love you too Bennerman 😀

        1. Bennerman
          • 7 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          A little harsh, admittedly

    2. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      A simple 'get rid' bandwagon would be simple and suffice.

    3. I Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      He has good fixtures, penalties and set pieces so I still think he's fine to keep. Wouldn't captain him though.

    4. Mission impossible
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      From a FF point of I have watched every game Saka has been involved in, only because all my league rivals went Saka , no doubt he is due, but captain every home game, don’t get it !

      1. Bennerman
        • 7 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        If he neither goes wide or cuts in, what do you suggest he does? Runs out of play?

        And how come he has these assists and goals to his name?

    5. Make FPL Casual Again
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Yeah Alvarez getting a lot of stick, has 3 returns in last 5, while Saka and Watkins continue to disappoint

      1. McGurn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        I want to remove Saka, Watkins and Alvarez, but unfortunatley i cant think of anyone better to replace them!

        1. Make FPL Casual Again
          • 7 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          KDB, Toney, Jimenez and ehh oh yeah Haaland!

          1. McGurn
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            Yes, you are correct but my FPL brain is still in 2023! KdB and Toney yes!!

            1. Make FPL Casual Again
              • 7 Years
              1 year, 10 months ago

              Thats the spirit..Happy New Year!

              1. McGurn
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                1 year, 10 months ago

                Yep, i am really looking forward to my prospects in 2004! That Rooney kid looks good!

            2. Jafooli
              • 13 Years
              1 year, 10 months ago

              Wood is the new Archer...

    6. Onz
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      The reason I keep him is there is always other fires to put out, and Saka always has the potential to haul imo.
      When the big guns get back from Asia / Africa and the injury recovery rotation thing, then is the time to consider his worth.

  2. HODGE
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Is Gabriel injured?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Flagged on FPL
      The article has an update.

  3. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Last Man Standing Update (466 teams)

    Current safety score = 34
    Top score = 69

    https://www.livefpl.net/LMS

    1. FP El Wonky
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Waw. Having Saliba instead of Gabriel may well send a few of us out of LMS.
      Lots of hits too this week I suppose.
      As it stands I'm out

  4. Sheffield Wednesday
    • 5 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Price changes 21 January

    Rises: Richarlison (7.0)

    Falls: Archer (4.4), Sarr (4.4), Livramento (4.3)

    1. rainy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Wednesday's child is full of haste 😛

      1. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Just a little edit and paste 😉

    2. I Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Livramento could be a bargain if Trippier goes to Bayern.

      1. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        First thing I thought of as a Trippier owner.

        1. Jafooli
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Talk of Trippier to Bayern this transfer window?

            1. Jafooli
              • 13 Years
              1 year, 10 months ago

              Cheers SW - I'd be fine with that, frees up much needed cash....

              1. Sheffield Wednesday
                • 5 Years
                1 year, 10 months ago

                Just 'talk' at this stage.

                1. Jafooli
                  • 13 Years
                  1 year, 10 months ago

                  Ha, just realised I still have Cash in my squad....what a mess lol

                  1. Jafooli
                    • 13 Years
                    1 year, 10 months ago

                    And Taylor....geez

                    Only GKs (Areola & Dubravka) seem steady and we know how quickly that can change...

      2. Zenith UK
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Newcastle have already rejected their advances

        1. Bushwhacker
          • 6 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Surprised anyone tried but no smoke without fire, sounds like someone has to to get them onside with FFP … personally I’d shift Tripps before Bruno G.

    3. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      'Ooh it looks like Trippier might be off to Bayern, the next deadline is also still over a week away (at the end of the transfer window) and Newcastle are soon to have a nice fixture swing ... better sell Livramento now'

  5. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    When did everyone get Gabriel in their team? Did I miss something?

    And Toney, someone in my ML even captained him.

    Meanwhile I'm relying on Bowen, Solanke & Archer to save my GW lol

    Any chance Bowen starts?

    1. Bggz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I hope not I have Bowen in and Gordon st sub

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Have Archer first sub who to contribute would need to diminish Areola contribution, so could really do with a Bowen start.

        After the FA Cup performance & exit, reckon Moyes might take the risk of early return, hopefully

    2. NZREDS
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      This lol, was over the moon only to see the four people above me in my mini league all had him, don’t remember them having him at all!

    3. circusmonkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Week 1 and put up with the benching.

    4. diabydoesgallas
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Thought the exact same thing!

  6. McGurn
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    GW 1 !!

    1. Jafooli
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Agreed, can't wait for FPL 24/25 to open....

    2. McGurn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I think every man and his dog had Gabriel in GW 1, but most sold in GW 2 & 3.. I tried to too but failed. But now, he is close to the mythical "essential"!

      1. McGurn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        First time i have done 2 reply fails on the same comment!

        1. Jafooli
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Congratulations on both Gabriel points & reply fails...

          1. McGurn
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            At my age, a compliment about how incompetent I am counts as praise!!

            1. Jafooli
              • 13 Years
              1 year, 10 months ago

              Technology is overrated...

      2. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Some of us Gabriel > Saliba ten minutes before very first deadline. Had Saliba ever since.

        1. McGurn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          That paid off the first few weeks!

          1. Jafooli
            • 13 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            17pts must be close to repaying those early swings?

          2. Sheffield Wednesday
            • 5 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            Probably swap them on a WC at this rate

        2. Jafooli
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Had Saliba at the start, sold for a while, got back in....never once considered Gabriel...

    3. Bushwhacker
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Me too. Only took Arteta a month or two to realize his team can only play one way and Gabi was the solidity at the back.

  7. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    KdB, Toney, Haaland, Salah & Son all back on the watchlist - that's a lot of money when currently have Saka, Bowen, Foden, Watkins & Archer filling those spots.

    And defence a perennial mess.

    Anyone considering WC earlier rather than later?

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Haaland Salah & Son too early to consider transfer in, so no pressure to WC. Even KdB I want to see start a match first (unpopular opinion)

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Add Maddison to the list, could return soon...

    2. Jengkreng
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Wait ...kdb still minute risk...salah,halland and son still not sure when will return..toney fixture no that great for the next 2...DGW/BGW

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        True

    3. Philosopher's Stones
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Planning to WC the GW when all of Salah, Son and Haaland are available.

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Yep, crisis management until then

        1. NZREDS
          • 12 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          This

    4. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Tripper leaving … if it happens … makes it all the simpler

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Defo...

      2. Bushwhacker
        • 6 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        People still own Trippier?

  8. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Will this website ever fix the reply fail problem?

    It's literally been going on for over 10 years.

    1. Bggz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Honestly does anything improve on this site?

    2. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      It’s a Neil’s fault

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Press the reply button then the fails disappear.

      1. Bennerman
        • 7 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        To be fair, as a neutral this forum is an utter mess

      2. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        It's what's known in digital as a UX problem.

  9. Sheffield Wednesday
    • 5 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    That would be nice, FPL Virgin

    1. Jafooli
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Lol

    2. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      😆 😆 😆 brilliant best post of 2024 so far, Wednesday!

    1. Bggz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      A blessing maybe, I was holding for too long .

    2. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Well that’s my required Haaland money sorted then.

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Hope so...I need every penny, SV/TV is woeful

        1. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          I have a pretty over expensive defence … Trent Estupinan Porro Gabriel tripper … so I’m kind of glad I have a cowards way out

          1. Mr. Eko
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            Danger defence!!! Beauty

    3. Qaiss
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Livramento with 85% EO by April

      1. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Potentially the most beautiful transfer

    4. PartyTime
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Personal terms agreed.

      Just need an agreement with both clubs although Bayern are interested in signing Mukiele & Trippier is supposed to be a plan B for that deal.

  10. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Why Newcastle so keen to ship Trippier? Agreed been tired/liability lately, bit still a class performer?

    1. Bggz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Speculating but it seems somethings going on there and he’s not happy with it

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Because they have to shift somebody for FFP reasons. I’d ship Trippier over Bruno G any day if that’s the choice.

      1. PartyTime
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Hahahaha 😆 as if Bruno G won’t leave too. If there is anyone who looks likely to leave the club, it is Bruno G. Just need Barça or Madrid flirting around & watch him say how much he loved both clubs while growing up.

    3. Zenith UK
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      They're not?

  11. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    What’s the best way to spend 9m?

    1. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      If you had 9m and it wasn’t gaining you any returns?

    2. Herger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I’m not falling for that one. Automatic ban

    3. KEN YA DIG IT
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      A mini vacation with a beautiful latina and booze

  12. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    I fully expect to miss the next deadline due to my extended apathetically induced FPL coma.

  13. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Proving to be a good season, football-wise, five teams right in the mix - who's your top three at season end:

    1. Man City
    2. Liverpool
    3. Arsenal

    I reckon...

    1. Herger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Man City
      Liverpool
      Utd

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        But Newcastle are a bit off the pace right now...

        1. Herger
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          What do you mean? I didn’t include Newcastle

        2. GREEN JUMPERS
          • 5 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Torquay are not Premier League

        3. Gnu
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          😆

        4. Zenith UK
          • 9 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Don't be silly, he's talking about West Ham

    2. Bushwhacker
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Sadly I think you are right.

    3. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      1. Liverpool
      2. Aston Villa
      3. Leeds

    4. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      1. City
      2. Spurs
      3. Liverpool

  14. Zenith UK
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Gabriel > Estupinan as part of a -8. Welp. Go hard Pervis, go hard lad.

    1. NZREDS
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Ouch, might actually pay off long term though to be fair

      1. Zenith UK
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Played him last week instead of Doughty (1 vs 9)
        Played him GW19 instead of Semenyo (1 vs 5)
        Benched him GW18 instead of Tsimikas (10 vs 1)
        Played him GW17 for his 6 pointer
        Played for GW15 & GW16 blanks

        Just wanted him gone. Arsenal been awful. One off performance vs a tired and injured Palace.

        1. NZREDS
          • 12 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Yeah that’s rough, onwards and upwards, let’s go Pervis!

          1. Zenith UK
            • 9 Years
            1 year, 10 months ago

            Part of the -8 was bringing in and captaining KDB. We can't have it all, eh?

  15. HarveyKendallBall
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    The bonus point system is a joke, highlighted once again yesterday with Gabriel losing maximum bonus. A similar situation a few game weeks ago occurred with Haaland being deducted points for missing a big chance that never was.
    Is it still the case that these content creators invited to Stockley Park are doing the bonus point system? If so they need to change them because obviously cheating is going on. It’s bad enough them doing team leaks. Come on FPL Towets, wake up.

    1. PartyTime
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Damnnnnnn. I didn’t even know Magalhaes lost max baps. I feel robbed tbh. Salty fpl tower, you take my Magalhaes pts but that ain’t the end, Life gonna take something away from you too!

  16. Zenith UK
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Initial draft has me slightly tempted;

    Areola, Turner
    Trent, Porro, Estupinan, Doughty, Livramento
    Salah, De Bruyne, Son, Gordon, Palmer
    Watkins, Toney, Wood

    3-5-2 || 0.7 ITB.

    No Haaland or Bowen are my only real immediate concerns.

  17. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Best defender under 4.5m who's going to match the likes of Porro/Trent/Trippier?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Livermentos!

    2. Zenith UK
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Doughty.

    3. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Livramento

  18. The Knights Template
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    GW12 - 1.054m
    GW21 - 55k with Estupenguin to come

    I truly hope I can be a shining example to all by demonstrating the benefits of superior management technique*

    * dumb luck!

    1. Jars458
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Well done sir.

  19. PartyTime
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    As if Gabriel’s haul & Saka’s blank wasn’t enough. Solanke, Jota, Areola, Estupiñan to go. Points aplenty for my teem, oh yes! I love to see it 🙂

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Jota benched, Solanke to miss a pen, Areola and Estupinan will concede as usual

      1. Haa-lala-land
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Jota will score from the bench
        Bournemouth don't get pens
        West Ham now have 4 cleanies in a row
        Brighton are on a current run of one consecutive clean sheets in a row

      2. PartyTime
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Asking for too much I see

    2. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Did Toney haul?

      1. PartyTime
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        I will check if he did only after I find Saka’s gw pts

        1. The Knights Template
          • 12 Years
          1 year, 10 months ago

          Walter Diaper, Walter Diaper!

  20. PartyTime
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    5alty 5aka cappers in fpl tower doing their best to ruin my Gabriel party, does your 3 pts taste good? 😉

  21. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Captain horror show since gw15. Captaining the obvious hasn't worked out well. Anyone else similar?

    GW15- Salah(C) 3pts vs shu
    GW16- Haaland 0 pts (Salah VC 13 pts vs CRY)
    GW17- Salah(C) vs MU 3 points
    GW18- Watkins(C) vs SHU 2 points
    GW19- Salah(C) vs bur 3 points
    GW20 Salah(C) bs NEW 16 points
    GW21 Saka(C) vs CRY 3 points

    Cant wait to perma captain Haaland once he's back.

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I think you’ve halted proceedings with this post requiring a lengthily, and unfortunately not very interesting, researched response!

    2. Tommy Template
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      FWIW Haaland vs Salah prior to the injury:
      Salah was the better captain pick in 8 weeks, 1 tied, Haaland best pick 6 weeks. Net score over the 15 weeks was 112 for Haaland, 114 for Salah. So perma Haaland wasn't always optimal and it was very close between them but slightly in favour of Salah if anything.

  22. Ruinenlust
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Toney really is a little cheat, isn’t he

  23. Modest Bob
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Just want to send a little message to my brothers and sisters out there who are going through a tough time atm, I can totally resonate with that, in this story I was like Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption crawling through that 500 yard sewer pipe...but believe me everyone there is light at the end of that tunnel...the most beautiful light ever. So here's a few words of wisdom for you all ..

    Don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing gonna be all right.
    Singing :Don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing
    gonna be all right!

    Rise up this morning, Smiled with the rising sun, three little birds pitch by my doorstep singing sweet songs of melodies pure and true, saying, this is my message to you-ou-ou

    Bob♡

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Thanks Bob.

      Everybody's got a thing
      But some don't know how to handle it
      Always reachin' out in vain
      Just taking the things not worth having but
      Don't you worry 'bout a thing

      S.W.

    2. NorCal Villan
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
      You can't let go and you can't hold on,
      You can't go back and you can't stand still,
      If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

      1. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        You sound worried.

  24. shorey143
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Isha vs FF

    Who will win?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      FF (he did the iggy).

  25. Tommy Template
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Good for the game having Toney the Punter back, how dull was it when everyone had the same front 3?

  26. alsybach
    • 16 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    I’ve looked back, I’ve had my top scorer sat first on my subs bench eight times this season. EIGHT bloody times!!
    Got to be a record surely!?
    I suck at this.

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Yes, but you've got the record 🙂

  27. _Gunner
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Morning All,

    Is Bowen expected to start today?

    1. Gegenpress
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      Really need him to play! Wouldn’t even mind 20 mins off the bench a start would be perfect

      1. Tommy Template
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 10 months ago

        Hammers need him to play but realistically probably need much more too, very poor against an ordinary Bristol City in the cup, couldn't breach the Brighton defence which everyone else had done for months.

    2. The Ilfordian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      My guess is that he’s subbed on if they need him. Given my FPL line up, I expect Archer to be on a double digit haul at the point Moyes decides to bring him on for his pointless cameo

  28. Salarrivederci
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Do we think Gross & Estupinan combines for 15 points 😉 ?

    1. The Ilfordian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      No, I’d anticipate more like 8-10.

    2. Tommy Template
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I'm not sure but they won't clean. Any attacking returns tend to get spread around like confetti with Brighton too. Could be really good, could just as easily be 4pts.

  29. Prinzhorn
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 10 months ago

    Jota starts and hauls?

    1. The Ilfordian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 10 months ago

      I think there’s a good chance he gets points. Could easily be from the bench, which seems the more fashionable way to get them these days