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Our Members Area now includes updated projections for the remaining matches of the season as a whole and the next six Gameweeks.

Although these were originally devised as pre-season projections, we’ve worked with Chris Atkinson’s Rate My Team model to ensure that we keep them ticking over and have been updating on a weekly basis. We’ll endeavour to keep that up, although our current aim is to implement the full Rate My Team functionality – work continues on that behind the scenes, with the aim to have RMT delivered to our Members for their January Wildcards.

Just to stress that the projections listed are to cover the remaining matches eg: if a player is listed as scoring 10 goals, these are in addition to the goals he may have scored up to Gameweek 4.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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    A) Mata + Podolski + 1.7M

    B) Cazorla + Torres

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    1. Chris_White
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      B)

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    2. FORCA INTER
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      b

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      1. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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        i was leaning towards A... with podolski on pks and all... and the extra monies another factor... Any compelling reasons for B???

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      2. $hahriyar
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        I have just realized why you are using c instead of z in Forza 🙂

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    3. kaz 96
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      B

      A's got mata

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  2. TriDk
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    neuer (dronov)

    ramos....ivanovic....gibbs(Tonel....lustig)

    Hazzy.... cazzy..... ribery..... pirlo..... shirokov

    ronaldo.....messi

    rate it my friends!!!!!!! cheerss!!!!!!!

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  3. COMH
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    Shirokov priced at £5.5m. Better option than willian at £7.5m?

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      Way better.

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  4. Flavorito
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    I saw a post earlier about recovered balls in the CL game.

    Someone please enlighten me regarding this.

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    1. THE BAD
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      recored balls gives you points... that's also why i want MOtta

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      1. THE BAD
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        one point for every 5 recovered balls

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      2. Flavorito
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        Interesting. That makes Pirlo an even stronger bet.

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        1. THE BAD
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          Yes! I have mad some changes in my team, based on your info

          Rafinha>Criscito
          Motta> Nene

          happy with my team now what do you think?

          Casillas | Artur
          Maxi | Gibbs | Alba | Evra | Criscito
          Lamps | Caz | Alan | Shirokov | Nene
          RVP | Messi | Hulk

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          1. Flavorito
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            Now this I really like. Nene FTW

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            1. THE BAD
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              ty mate!

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  5. THE BAD
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    best defender form milan? or just go for a zenit defender?

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    1. THE BAD
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      5.0 max price

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      1. Flavorito
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        Everyone at Milan is a rotation risk except for Mexes and Abate. That's why I took Abbiati instead.

        Bruno Alves and Criscito are good shouts from the Zenit defense.

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        1. THE BAD
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          I think I'm going Criscito... I saw ALves on the bench last season against Benfica...

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          1. Flavorito
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            Alves is nailed-on and a goal threat.
            I would go Alves over Criscito.

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            1. THE BAD
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              Alves haven't scored much since he arrived to Zenit...

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              1. Flavorito
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                I know mate, but still a goal threat. He takes some of Zenit's free kicks too. Killer shot.

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        2. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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          Lombaerts is best. 😎

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          1. THE BAD
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            he is?

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            1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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              1. THE BAD
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                I never ssaw him playing! is he really good? Witsel talked about him here in protugal...

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                1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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                  Yep.
                  Another Typical Belgian Defender.
                  He's been overshadowed by Kompany, Vertonghen & Vermaelen in Belgian Squad.

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  6. isacki: full casual
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    OOP
    Bertrand (DEF)
    Alves (DEF)
    Alba (DEF)
    Nani? (MID)

    Reverse OOP
    Mata (FWD)
    Podolski (FWD)
    Gervinho (FWD)
    Muller (FWD)
    Kagawa (FWD)

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    1. isacki: full casual
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      UCL game

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    2. FORCA INTER
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      Mata FWD 😆

      ahahha that's shocking

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      1. blue cheese
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        Kagawa, Sinclair - all forwards! Nonsense ...

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    3. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      How are Alba & Alves OOP?
      They will play in the defence in 4-3-3.

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        Based on their real life positions. Alves for example is basically a right winger, in fact he gets so far forward I think he lets the defence down!

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        1. THE BAD
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          are you insane??? Alves is a CB

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          1. blue cheese
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            Dani, not Bruno.

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            1. THE BAD
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              ooohh lol
              sorry mate

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              1. isacki: full casual
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                Mystery solved!

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          2. isacki: full casual
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            What?

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          3. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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            He's talking about Dani Alves of Barcelona, not Bruno Alves of Zenit.

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      2. THE BAD
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        I didn't get that either... Never saw Alves OOP....

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  7. COMH
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    Evans and McAuley at the back for NI. A FF dream combo 🙂

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  8. Chris_White
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    What does Shakhtars 1st choice back four look like

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  9. JK - Cønt ⭐
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    I keep getting the message wrong when I try to click enter team. Is there like a bog-standard team/player you HAVE to pick, am I missing a trick or does FUCL just think my team is shite?

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    1. isacki: full casual
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      The latter, basically the assistant manager is still there, he's just in charge of the enter team function 😉

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        Bloody Steve Kean 😛

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        1. blue cheese
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          😆

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        2. Billy Gilmore
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          😆

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  10. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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    Kranjcar nailed on?

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  11. Scroobius Mac
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    Random question but are in of you from Lancashire? I'm transcribing and there's a bit of local dialect that I have no idea what it means.

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    1. roscola
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      I'm originally from Lancashire, I might be able to help

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      1. Scroobius Mac
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        Cheers Roscola but have found another Lancashirian to help now.

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        1. roscola
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          No worries. Out of interest, what was the piece of local dialect?

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  12. COMH
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    Pirlo or Giovinco for UCL?

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    1. Chris_White
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      gio

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      1. Conrad.
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        yup.

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  13. facer
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    Afternoon Chaps

    anyone considering playing 5 in midfield? The mid. five of, Hazard, cazorla, HBA, Pienaar, Michu looks particularly strong, add RVP and Tevez (Pog) and therein lies explosive points potential

    I'm considering it, just not sure if it'll be beneficial continually benching a forward? In defence of the system most of those mids. are playing in such advanced positions they could be considered a forward anyway and maybe the extra points (CS/Goals) swings it?

    For me it comes down to, do i prefer HBA to Berbatov??

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    1. Van The Man
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      I'm in! Thinking on similar lines...

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      1. facer
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        are you WCing Yash?

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      2. Van The Man
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        Yeah... Didn't have the greatest of starts! Unfortunately had to..

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        1. facer
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          you should be able to put together a nice team now though...any hunches?

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          1. Van The Man
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            Just trying to catch up and make the most of the price hikes atm(though there very few presently!) Have my mind set on Pog as the third striker and five decent mids with Mr.Haines in defence! Gives you a rough idea of the team I'm looking for!!

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            1. facer
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              its an interesting tactic and gives the team a great'spine' and flexibility with no-hit transfers

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              1. Van The Man
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                Hopefully bro.I'm a FPL rookie tbf! Got 181 points! The hit which i took for Ade didn't help! Felt like every department of my team needed some tinkering. hence WC'd!

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                1. facer
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                  a little more data to go on now mate, a few players about who look like they should give some measure of stability, and if it works and sets you up for a few months then it was a good WC...good luck dude

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    2. kaz 96
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      i've got dyer,michu,pienaar,hazard and cazorla and im planning on playing all 5 this coming gameweek

      could still change it as im on WC.
      my thrid striker's lambert and benching him against arsenal shd turn out alright.
      who will be ur 3rd striker if u start this midfield?

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      1. facer
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        would have to be Pog Kaz...can't decide between Berbatov and Guthrie or HBA and Pogrebnyak

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        1. kaz 96
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          i'd go with the latter

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      2. facer
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        in fact i can't decide if i want to wild-card or not...I've made a solid start and have a good first 11...its just having seen embryonic patterns emerge, I've got an ideal team in mind and if i wait, price rises may put the team out of reach...and i feel that if you can lay solid foundations with a WC now, it could set you up very nicely until christmas...thats the dilema dude 🙂

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        1. kaz 96
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          u have missed out on a few potential double rises already( jenko,demel,mcauley etc.)

          like always, more bandwagons and bargains will be revealed come the next int. break, anyway

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          1. facer
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            yep, your probably right...patience is often the best tactic, but hardest to harness...thanks man

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      3. facer
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        That looks a cracking midfield Kaz...game minutes and positions look stable...barring injury that midfield could set you up for weeks...a midfield that warrants patience too...good foundations

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        1. kaz 96
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          thanks. baines' temptation is putting a spanner in the works, though.

          could downgrade one of the mids just to get him in

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          1. facer
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            I like the look of Baines this season mate, I have him already. Wanted him last season but he was too expensive. Cheaper by a million and backed up by a squad with greater depth and talent, theres a bit more value there this season...and as a bonus, his stats have been exceptional so far, you really do get an extra midfielder...2-6-2 formation anybody? 🙂

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    3. Reed_Rothchild
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      I have both nd Baines, which is why I don't want Pienaar.

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  14. COMH
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    Are you all picking Ronaldo and Messi for your team? I might omit CR7 on the basis that he is a bellend.

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    1. isacki: full casual
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      This would make the game a lot harder.

      Yes...

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    2. Chris_White
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      ...and the fact that Real are in the group of death.

      Messi, Ibra and RVP for me.

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    3. Conrad.
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      yup, CR out for being a total blow-hole. i think RvP and Zlat are just as good value, tbh. CR is more valuable classed as a mid, imo.

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    4. Scroobius Mac
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      You have Tevez, Rooney and Bale in your FPL team....

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      1. COMH
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        Bale is now Hazard and Rooney is RVP thankfully. I see your point though.

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    5. Flavorito
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      Messi and Ibra all the way.

      Not taking CR7 with that group.

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  15. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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    RMUCLT-
    Neuer, Proto
    Alba, Lombaerts, Maxi, VDW, Vida
    Shirokov, Feghouli, Isco, Lucho, Kranjcar
    Messi, RVP, Mandzukic

    Bank- 2.5m

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    1. Conrad.
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      crazy-small midfield. i dont expect much from Isco and the rest are very hit-and-miss.

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      1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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        Kranjcar maybe booted out from there.

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  16. COMH
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    why is Eriksen not in the Ajax squad in UCL?

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  17. Alan The Llama
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    Reposting UCL league code, if anyone is interested. 1208736-421041

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      And here's mine- 1209439-421151

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      1. FORCA INTER
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        can i join to yours maxi?

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        1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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          Yep(everyone is welcome).

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          1. THE BAD
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            ty joined!

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          2. THE BAD
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            ohhh you invited those "specialists"? who are them?

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            1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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              Tipsters

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    1. King Nil Miss ✩
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      Nice one.

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    2. King Nil Miss ✩
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      Although I think Saviola isn´t first choice anymore...

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    3. The Light Knight
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      So many budget strikers... only 2 spaces 😥

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        2 budget strikers! You differential you!

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        1. The Light Knight
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          5 at the back will work in every competition 😉

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          1. isacki: full casual
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            If you can get Alves and Alba at the back you might have hit a fricking goldmine.

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            1. The Light Knight
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              That would Messi up my front line though

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              1. isacki: full casual
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                Don't Mata.

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    4. COMH
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      Good stuff mate thanks.

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    5. Conrad.
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      good read. cheers.

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    6. FORCA INTER
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      i stoped reading after i seen that they rate Beqiraj

      he is rotation risk and i rather see cop+rukavina upfront

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        Given that I know almost nothing about any of the players at any of these clubs I'm continuing to read 😉

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    7. isacki: full casual
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      I've come to like Bleacher Report articles... low on content but have nice big pictures and almost no text so they're as easy to read as See Spot Run.

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      1. Flavorito
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        B/R is awesome.

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    8. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      Belhanda in for me

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  18. isacki: full casual
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    Everyone will run out of money in the UCL game... then they'll look for cheaper midfielders... then they'll ask for lists of players with RB potentail 😉

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      5m Extra after group Stages 😉

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        I'm worried about the 6 games now!

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  19. COMH
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    No Eriksen in the UCL game?

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    1. Alan The Llama
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      Must be a mistake. Been playing this season.

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  20. THE BAD
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    anyone having trouble confirming transfers?

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  21. COMH
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    Xavi or Reus?

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    1. Conrad.
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      mmm Reus is more nailed-on and more goalscoring, but his group is so tough...

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      1. COMH
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        I think those games will be open. Ajax are not that dangerous and City still look ropey in Europe.

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        1. isacki: full casual
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          +1

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  22. BRK
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    Anyone know who's likely to play FW for Shakhtar D? I'm asking because of this guy: http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/players/player=98023/profile/index.html

    11 goals in 8 games in the Ukrainian league this year, played every minute.

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  23. Gargamel
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    About five years in a row I've made a team in this and then been found out by some early kick off because they can't get the sun working properly in Russia.

    And therefore, I'm out.

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    1. isacki: full casual
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      LOL nicely put.

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    2. blue cheese
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      LOL! 😆

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  24. Conrad.
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    updated UCL squad:

    Malafeev (Beto)
    Dani – Gibbs – Tonel (Boateng – Evra)
    Cazza – Hazard – Ribery – Kljestan (Fegouli)
    Leo (C) – RvP – Danny

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      Danny isn't a good pick, imo

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      1. Conrad.
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        seems he assists most of their goals, no?

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  25. COMH
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    Zenit look like they have a really good squad. Are they the biggest team in Russia financially?

    Are Anzhi a pile of dung?

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    1. kaz 96
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      financially: anzhi

      quality wise: zenit

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      1. COMH
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        Do you see Anzhi making an impact in the Russian PL and then Europe? They haven't signed anyone good since Eto'o have they?

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        1. kaz 96
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          they have some decent players but no super stars . zenit are much better run and are a proper football club, unlike anzhi and that will always keep them above anzhi, imo

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    2. Alan The Llama
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      Anzhi have "issues". Dagestan isn't the most relaxing of places. Zenit aren't exactly poor either.

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      1. COMH
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        Yeah it's a volatile region. I know the players live and train in Moscow and travel to their homes games. Do they get a hostile reception from their own fans?

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        1. Alan The Llama
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          Not really. Like most Russian teams, their fans are too busy hating the opposition. And the security around the ground is very professional.

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    3. isacki: full casual
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      Zenit are funded by Gazprom I think, if you're familiar at all with Gazprom I think you'll know how they afforded Hulk...

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      1. COMH
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        Gas pipelines. Yeah I know exactly what you mean.

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    4. Flavorito
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      Anzhi plays in the worst part of Russia.

      It's ironic how rich the club is.

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  26. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
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    OK RMFUCL Team

    Neuer, Proto

    Cissokho, Maxi Perreria, Alex, Rakitisky, Vida

    Robben, Montolivo, Shirokov, Sammir, Feghouli

    Messi, Ibra, RvP

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    1. FORCA INTER
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      10/10 simply cause you got Vida 😉

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        at 3.5 it would be rude not to.

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        1. Flavorito
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          How do you plan on transferring Vida out once they get eliminated?

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    2. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      Cissokho is injured.

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        cheers for the heads up, who do you recommend at the same price, or who can I downgrade in order to upgrade?

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        1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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          Jao Pereira/Rami from Valencia or Demichelis/Monrealfrom Malaga or Lombaerts 😎

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            went with Joao. How does the rest look?

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        2. Flavorito
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          At 4.5,

          Pereira (Valencia)
          Alex Sandro (Porto)
          Gibbs (Arsenal)

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  27. THE BAD
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 4 months ago

    anyone having problems confirming transfers in UCL?

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    1. Alan The Llama
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 4 months ago

      Nope, not me.

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      1. THE BAD
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 4 months ago

        damnit... must be me then...

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  28. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 4 months ago

    Is this the likely Real Madrid back 4?
    Arbeloa, Ramos, Pepe, Marcelo

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    1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 4 months ago

      Coentrao ahead of Marcelo

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 4 months ago

        This every day. Marcelo is a hacking donkey.

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    2. FORCA INTER
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 4 months ago

      correct

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    3. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 4 months ago

      Arbeloa is a bargain at 5m then, even though they are in the hardest group.

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 4 months ago

        Yep, same as Euros and same as UCL last year. He's always the cheapest, clearly they think he's cack 😀

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        1. Mull
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 4 months ago

          Because he used to play for Liverpool 🙂

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  29. Seamy
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone want to take a look at my UCL team?

    Abbiati, (Proto)
    Jordi Alba, Ramos, Maxi Perreira, (Metzelder), (Lustig)
    Hazard, Cazorla, Pirlo, Nene, (Alan)
    Messi, RvP, Mandzukic or Soldado

    Thoughts?

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