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18 November 2012 1684 comments
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Just the one game to keep us ticking over today, as Fulham play host to out-of-sorts Sunderland. Plenty will be hoping for another big haul from Dimitar Berbatov after a rare blank from Robin Van Persie at Norwich yesterday. As always, our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open ahead of the 4pm kick off:

The team news is as follows:

Martin Jol makes three changes from the side that drew 3-3 at Arsenal last Saturday. The alterations all come in midfield, with Damien Duff coming in for Ashkan Dejagah on the right, while Alex Kacaniklic steps in for the injured Kieran Richardson on the opposite flank. Veteran Giorgos Karagounis earns his first league start for the Cottagers – he partners Steve Sidwell in the centre, with Mahamadou Diarra injured and Chris Baird serving a one-match suspension.

Schwarzer; Riether, Hughes, Hangeland, Riise; Duff, Karagounis, Sidwell, Kacaniklic; Ruiz, Berbatov

For Sunderland, Martin O’Neill makes two alterations from last week’s defeat at Everton. Phil Bardsley has shrugged off a hamstring problem to replace the suspended Craig Gardner at right-back, while Lee Cattermole’s recovery from a knee problem forces a midfield reshuffle. Seb Larsson is moved from the centre to the right, with Adam Johnson shifting to the left, meaning James McClean drops to the bench for the second time in the last three Gameweeks.

Mignolet; Bardsley, Cuellar, O’Shea, Rose; Larsson, Cattermole, Colback, Johnson; Sessegnon, Fletcher.

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  1. df34
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    • 13 Years
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    Berbs how did you miss that????

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    1. Granville
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      3 off target. Needs 2 goals now to even be considered for bps.

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      1. df34
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        Your right,a depressing thought!!

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    2. Last Resort...
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      By shooting it wide....

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    3. Crouch Potato!
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      Wasn't that easy.

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      1. df34
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        Fair point,think it was more he missed the target by so much that surprised me

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        1. Crouch Potato!
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          Yup, didn't catch it cleanly.

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          1. df34
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            Have u got him in your team?

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  2. Reed_Rothchild
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    I'm going with a plan to rotate 4-5 million defenders from teams like West Ham, Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom, etc. Baines and defenders from top clubs are just too expensive and aren't delivering the requisite clean sheets that would stimulate such an investment.

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    1. Reed_Rothchild
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      I'm playing 3-4-3 anyway. Makes sense to go with that plan.

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    2. mutatedllama
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      The thing about Baines is you can play him every week regardless of clean sheet likeliness.

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      1. Reed_Rothchild
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        He hasn't done anything for me since I got him. He's a luxury I no longer can afford.

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      2. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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        🙂

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    3. thegaffer82
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      I'm sticking with Baines for now but can understand people wanting to ship him. I brought him in for 7mil in GW2 so he didn't cost that much for me and will still be top scoring DF imo.

      Would be great if Everton could keep a few cleanies though

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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        agree and looking at united game when they won 1-0

        everton do better in big games especially at home

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    4. Dark Mata
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      Good plan, I'm ding the same but fixtures for WHU, Stoje & Sunderland all turn nasty, I'm thinking about strengthening with a WBA def

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      1. Reed_Rothchild
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        Everton's fixtures turn nasty, too. Just go with your cheap defenders playing at home. Difficult to predict clean sheets nowadays.

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  3. Smurf
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    Is Hangelands red a 3 game ban or 1?

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      6 games as he exceeds 6 foot in height

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    2. RedNev
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      3

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    3. Declan
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      3.

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    4. Scroobius Mac
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      3 unless appealed.

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      1. Crouch Potato!
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        Which it may well be.

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    5. Smurf
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      Thanks for the replies.

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  4. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    hmm i own cuellar as well

    1-0 sunderland cuellar goal

    would be sweet

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    1. Declan
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      Amen.

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    2. MJ6987
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      Cuellar on for 3 BPs so far as well (I played Nelsen ahead of him!!!)

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    3. CABAYE4
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      Would be horrible.

      I played Hangeland and benched Cuellar.

      Would make the same decision every time but could cost me now...

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  5. rasher
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    have hangelaand last sub 🙂 some good fortune. i put s.taylor 2nd sub last min instead of hanglaand,and as no ivanovich, tasylor comes off the bench..phew 🙂 some good luck at last!.

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    1. Jimbo123
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      You must have a mean defence if you had Saylor and Hang on the bench this week!

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      1. rasher
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        yeah pretty much (baines, rafael, ivanovich) alot invested but its payed off this week as id have defo played brede

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    2. kroky
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      Why did you bench him at home to Sunderland ???

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    3. Manamongst
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      Me too! he's my last sub.

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  6. thegaffer82
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    Still feel there is a goal for Berba in this game. C'mon Dracula!!!

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  7. Park the bus
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    If Fulham keep a CS (still looking likely!), will Hang get the 4 points? Aware he loses points for every 2 they concede

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    1. bennydebull
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      no

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    2. Pasqualinho
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      Nope - needs to play 60

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      1. Park the bus
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        great, thanks to you both.

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    3. Thomass
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      no!

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    4. luke
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      he only played 30 min, slow Sunday fella?

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    5. TorresMagic™
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      Obviously not.

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      1. Park the bus
        • 14 Years
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        wow. who shat in your cornflakes today son?

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    6. thegaffer82
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      No he most certainly will not..... Too early to be calling Fulham cleanie yet too

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    7. CABAYE4
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      If only!

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  8. Thomass
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    Stat from Infostrada: "Brede Hangeland receives Fulham’s first red since May 2011, when Zoltan Gera was dismissed against Arsenal in the 2-2 draw on the final day of the 2010-11 season."

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  9. Crazy Joe
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    Well I was hoping for 6-0 with cap'n Berba getting at least 5 but with ten men I'll just take a hat trick from him.

    Sunderland are pish, you can do this Fulham!!!

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  10. rasher
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    best brede replacement? cueller?

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    1. Declan
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      Yup, DGW incoming also.

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      1. rasher
        • 16 Years
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        sweet. gonna do that switch later before bredes price falls like a rocket..

        i benched brede thankfully 🙂

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    2. Gaz Downright
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      bench imo

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    3. Kostja
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      looks like it

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    4. Muniains Tears
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      he might be out for just 1 if they appeal, the card seemed harsh tbh

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  11. Bad Pen
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    Sunderland seemingly have no confidence whatsoever, even with the sending off Fulham look more likely to score.

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  12. OPTA FPL
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    oh yeah, Berbatov 4 shots, 3 off target in 1st half

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    1. thegaffer82
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      Haha no bonus for Berbs. Still hopeful of a goal though

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  13. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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    Hangeland>Sagna. That red card made my decision easier!

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    1. MJ6987
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      What on earth is that Grav???

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      1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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        It' a woman 😛

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        1. MJ6987
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          I gathered that! Who then?

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          1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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            Maritza Mendez.

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  14. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
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    Walcott - is he nailed on to start now or still a rotatio risk?

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    1. Kostja
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      well his inclusion has turned their reason around, I really cant see him benced. But there might always be rotation as Arsenal still in the CL

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      1. thegaffer82
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        Has arsenals season been turned around....really?

        Adebayors stupidity helped them get that result yesterday and the rest of their results have been poor. Don't think they've turned a corner yet

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        1. Scroobius Mac
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          Still in the Carling Cup too...

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    2. df34
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      nailed on with Gervinho still injured

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    3. bennydebull
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      Rotation risk, injury risk, a risk of frustration. Lots of risk

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  15. Crouch Potato!
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    Sunderland would not want to lose this, very poor side.

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    1. Mid-Table Obscurity
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      thats rich from a qpr fan 😉

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      1. Crouch Potato!
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        Less of it 😉 Really what I'm getting at is tis is practically the same side as last season.

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  16. berbatron
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    1-0 Fulham Berbatov to score what the odds?

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    1. King Nemanja
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      8/1 on Berb next scorer

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    2. df34
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      About 25/1 I reckon

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      1. df34
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        To get the correct scorer and correct score

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    3. TorresMagic™
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      Nearly 5-1 for 1-0. No odds on Betfair for score cast.

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      1. Manani
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        so 40/1

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          5x8 isn't the formula.

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          1. Manani
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            i thought it is like scorecast not?

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              Of course it's scorecast. Seeing he is a popular pick they shorten the odds. If Fulham score they shut up shop etc.

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              1. Manani
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                is it the rule that you can't accumulate on same match?

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                1. mossy
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                  yep. the bets are related so if berba scores first there is a greater chance of ful winning 1 nil

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        2. mossy
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          doesnt work that way

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  17. Alton E.
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    Hangeland is going.. So who should i get from:

    Mertesack
    Cuellar
    Gorks?

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    1. King Nemanja
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      Cuellar

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      1. thegaffer82
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        +1

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  18. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    Anybody seen the new GTA V trailer? Looks epic.

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    1. bennydebull
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      Same old sh it different day. Long in the tooth now, imo.

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    2. thegaffer82
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      Has anyone played the new black ops yet? Planning on getting it soon

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  19. floydy_floyd
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    Berbatov next goal 8/1. Av a bang on that.

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  20. Valar(Keith)
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    All interest in sunderland's attack has disappeared.. gonna switch off the tv and check thje score in 1 hour.. what a horrid game

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    1. Jimmers
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      Reading look much more attractive for the DGW even though they have 2 away games.

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      1. thegaffer82
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        Worst DGW ever for me. I'm considering playing Cuellar and ignoring it. Don't want to be loaded up on Sun or Reading players

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    2. Rafabio
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      Yup. This is worse than watching a Stoke home game played on a cold, wet night

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      1. df34
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        • 13 Years
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        Your right would feel the same if i didn't have Berbatov as captn., playing in it

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    3. wormface
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      ha ha

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  21. Retro
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    Still don't know what happended yesterday. It's like my team walked into a blender.

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    1. Feanor
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      Still 8 clear of me. My team got shut in an oven.

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      😆 .

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    3. Red20
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      This!

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    4. Declan
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      Judging on your previous ranks, you're better/luckier than me at this game. Did you always take so many 4pt hits?

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      1. Retro
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        No, I've lost patience the last couple of years!! I just play a bit wildly now, and bring in whoever I want...

        PS Better and Luckier 😉

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        1. Declan
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          😛

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    5. thegaffer82
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      Funny how the people who did amazing yesterday probably don't even know about it having not checked their team since GW1 when they captained Tevez

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      1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
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        Funny how "some of the people that did well..."

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    6. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
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      +1

      Made worse by all the Tevez/Suarez owners in my ML and who just the cpt armband on Tevez each week. Urgh.

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  22. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    Must be good odds on Cattermole not getting sent off?

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    1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
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      40/1

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  23. Granville
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    All I can say is thank goodness I transferred in Silva. It's given me a fighting chance of getting an average score.

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      I gotta say Granville, when I remembered you got Silva I figured you posted a monster score overall. That's tough luck, I am extremely envious of your purchase though!!

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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        P.s I'm thinking of getting shot of Baines so I can get Silva... :O

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    2. SPorting
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      look at those bench points!

      😯

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  24. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
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    He smokes when he wants, He smokes when he wants, Dimitar Berbatov, He smokes when he wants,

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  25. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    cuellar get me 15 points please

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  26. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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    Chances of mata dropping this week?

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    1. Declan
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      No chance imo

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      Slim ATM.

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  27. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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    Berbatov or Giroud?

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    1. Manani
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      giroud for fixture
      i got both though

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    2. Rafabio
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      I'd say Berbatov

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    3. thegaffer82
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      Might be worth a punt on Giroud. Arse have nice fixtures and Giroud seems to be hitting some form

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  28. shiffo
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    Big mistake to sell Tevez for Berba this week, my front three is RVP, Ba, Berba with 2.1 in the bank. Should I undo the transfer and sell Ba or Berba for Tevez, or should I get Suarez for Ba?

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    1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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      Suarez n then fit in silva

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    2. Manani
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      I sold tevez for suarez last week for a hit.
      luckily not much is lost (and a bit of tasty price rise)

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    3. Jimbo123
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      The latter in gw15 perhaps!?

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      1. shiffo
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        Thanks, Suarez + Silva might be the better option but not sure I can wait for gw15 due to price rises!

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  29. Jimbo123
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    Looking ahead, do we think Giroud will be a nailed on starter?

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  30. MJ6987
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    A Fulham player getting sent off is the worst thing that could have happened for viewers of this game - Fulham will be trying to contain Sunderland and Sunderland will be perfectly happy to go away with a 0-0 draw.

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    1. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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      Very good news for someone with both Fulham and Sunderland defenders playing 😉

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      1. mossy
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        or someone who backed under 1.5 goals at 3/1 🙂

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    2. df34
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      I think your right,might have a wager on that

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    3. Granville
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      If Bardsley gets a cleanie, all my bench have scored points. Ruddy, Michu, Bardsley, Clyne.

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