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The Numbers Game – Young vs Downing

15 March 2011 644 comments
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With the injuries to key Premier League midfielders throughout the top-flight continuing to rack up by the week right now, Aston Villa’s run of upcoming fixtures (WOL, eve, NEW, whm, STK, wba, WIG) looks likely to offer further chances for the in-form and injury-free pair of Ashley Young and Stewart Downing to terrorise opposition defences.

Gerard Houllier’s side sit just two points above the drop zone and, with the likes of fellow strugglers Wolves and West Ham coming into form at this critical stage of the season, desperately need to start producing the goods if they are to guarantee survival. With just one clean sheet since gameweek 11, there‘s clearly little security at the back, a point Houllier has been critical of lately. Certainly, recent off-field events have indicated that all is not well amongst the club’s defenders, a fact Houllier must rectify as his side prepare for a crucial run-in.

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  1. More Cowbell
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Hehe

    http://newsthump.com/2011/03/15/arsenal-on-verge-of-signing-tony-adams-till-end-of-season/

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    1. Turbodog
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Best of luck in the cup Cunning - you're up against me - so there's not a great deal to worry about 😉

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      1. More Cowbell
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Haha cheers mate. I don't think you've got a great deal to worry about either. My players seem to be dropping like flies at present!

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  2. MADE IN CHARLTON
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    TRIVIA.

    The 2011 FA Cup semi finalists are clubs ALL to come from North of Nottingham for the first time since?

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    1. Gold Monster
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      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Is it 1972

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      1. Bolivian Seaman
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        2007

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        1. More Cowbell
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          You mean when Chelsea were in the final! :p

          My best guess would be 90's, I remember a United vs Newcastle final 98/99?. No idea about the semi's though!

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          1. MADE IN CHARLTON
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Goldstonemr was closest...

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    2. harmonica
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      1977 united beat liverpool after liverpool had beaten everton. No idea who united beat in the semi tho

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      1. MADE IN CHARLTON
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Is the correct answer!

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        1. Granville
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          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          We beat Leeds in the semi

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  3. No Pirlo No Party
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    14 years, 9 months ago

    Lads...considering pulling the WC out, thoughts?

    Foster - Begovic
    Kolarov - Coleman - R Johnson - Jara - Djourou
    VDV - Nani - Nasri - Adam - A Young
    Tevez - Berbatov - Odemwingie

    Have a number of injuries and rotation risks.

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    1. tosey
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      i wouldnt this week, tevez to berbatov this week

      begovic
      johnson coleman jara
      vdv nani nasri adam young
      rooney berb

      more than good enough for this week

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      1. No Pirlo No Party
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks Tosey....appreciate your opinion. Maybe not needed then.

        Hmm could be a good plan. Possibly pull it out next week.

        Looking at Lampard - Luiz - Walker - RVP. Going to struggle to bring them in.

        Who do you think i should be looking to replace?

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        1. tosey
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          well if i had a wildcard for next week my defence would be

          foster/ gomes
          carr/johnson/luiz/dawson/walker

          thats where im heading with mine

          foster carr johnson rotate perfectly with spurs and brum. then just play luiz every week

          most people dont like the trebling up/rotation idea tho

          u need lampard, im not going for rvp myself but the majority are so im guessing im probably wrong on that one!!

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          1. tosey
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            brum rotate well with spurs n villa i meant

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            1. No Pirlo No Party
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              I agree with most said, also not sure on trebling up on Defenders. But the rewards could be great.

              I chose Fabs over RVP earlier, so not going to lose out on him this time.

              Lampard is just so damn expensive!

              Think Kolarov/Coleman/Djourou/Jara/Young/Tevez/Odemwingie/Berbatov are all looking to be replaced.

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              1. tosey
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 9 months ago

                fair play to you on keeping your wildcard

                i think next season id rather take a 16 point hit than wildcard early on

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                1. No Pirlo No Party
                  • 16 Years
                  14 years, 9 months ago

                  Ha thanks Tosey, although my rank did suffer not playing it early on. Hopefully I can gear up well for the rest of the season now. Team value is killing me though!

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                  1. tosey
                    • 16 Years
                    14 years, 9 months ago

                    yeh i need to pay more attention to team value next season i think

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                  2. No Pirlo No Party
                    • 16 Years
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                    Really dont think I can have Lampard, Nani, VDV, Nasri, RVP and Rooney. argh

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                  3. tosey
                    • 16 Years
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                    im not even looking to get vdv rvp or nasri in so id say focus on rooney lampard n nani

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    2. OneTwo
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Djourou is done for a few weeks (possibly the season).

      Coleman is no longer a lock to start

      Odem and the baggies are not looking great these days!

      City's fixtures aren't great.

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    3. AmeliesDad
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      toseys reply seems sensible. I just wish I had a wildcard . Any clue what I can do with this lot? Points hits are looking more promising than any time so far this season ðŸ™

      Foster
      Coleman, Walker, Rafael
      Bentley, Young A, Nani, Lampard, Barton
      Tevez, Rooney

      (Al-Habsi, Odemwingie, Kelly, Djourou)

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      1. tosey
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        bentley to adam then kelly or djorou to carr the week after id say

        then tevez to torres after the sunderland game

        transfer plans are hard to stick to at this stage tho

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  4. Fratboy
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    my account isn't working, no crazy accumalator I'm afraid guys

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  5. Fratboy
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    is Tevez> Rooney worth another hit?

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    1. Dago
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      You was making transfers a week ago!!! how many hits are you on?

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      1. Fratboy
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        lol 2, this is for next week, want to try and bring in RVP as well

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        1. Dago
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          but you have Berba too?

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          1. Fratboy
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            was gonna do Berba>RVP and Tevez>Rooney, all depends on whether Berbs plays this weekend really

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  6. Blue Teets
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Lucky but Soop's first answer was SKELETAL and that is correct.

    Each word commences with the middle letters of the previous word in reverse.

    Now last one. Time for the one all my friends and I got wrong.

    IQ 150+

    Ready ?

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    1. Fratboy
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Ready

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    2. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I have no idea what you are talking about but i will say ELEPHANT

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    3. @ImpressiveTackl
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      14 years, 9 months ago

      YES 😀

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      1. Bolivian Seaman
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        does that mean I'm a criminal genius or just a crazy maniac

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    4. njfsdkffslkf
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Pff. Language nonsense. 😉

      I liked my interpretation more 😉

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      1. Bolivian Seaman
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        yeah i always prefer the number rounds on countdown

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  7. Blue Teets
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    I didn't get this. People smarter than me didn't get it. here it is:-

    On Bruces' price is right, there are three boxes. In one is a GOLD CHEST, behind the other 2 are EGGS.

    You pick box 2, Brucey shows you what you could've won by opening box 3.... Eggs.

    Left with box 1 & 2 he gives you the option to switch boxes.

    Should you do it ?

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    1. threeputt
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      yes

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      1. threeputt
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        yes because the odds have improved in your favour

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      2. Dago
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        yes so you can see whats behind them.

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        1. johnbobman
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          yes, because he said in ONE is a gold chest

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    2. Soop
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I know this one, so I'll but out. very interesting though, I came across this about 10 years ago, and it really twisted my melon to begin with,

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        I prob need to think about it more so than below 😀 Prob has something to do with those odds....

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      2. Dave Bauer
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Same here, totally counter-intuitive!

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    3. Hated, Adored but never Ign…
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Yes because your odds of winning have changed from 1 in 3 originally to 1 in 2 now.

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      1. johnbobman
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Well why wouldn't you also just stay with number 2? the odds are the same still for the 2 boxes?

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    4. @ImpressiveTackl
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      14 years, 9 months ago

      Yes!

      I can't fully remember why but Kevin Spacey explained it in 21. Something to do with variable probabilities or something like that... ðŸ™

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    5. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      no, you will lose

      i saw a programme about it, its probability and blew my mind out. if you choose to switch you have a 1/19 chance if you dont switch you have a 18/19 chance of being right

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        WHAT!? lol

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      2. Hated, Adored but never Ign…
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        That doesn't make any sense how on earth have you got a ninteenth from teh numbers given.

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        1. Bolivian Seaman
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          i saw a programme, even the maths professor from oxford took years to get his head round it.

          never swap

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          1. Dave Bauer
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Sorry, you're completely wrong.

            Monty Hall problem - Google will explain.

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      3. More Cowbell
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        14 years, 9 months ago

        This has got to be a joke. I chuckled.

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    6. Fratboy
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      yes, always account for variable change

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    7. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Statistically, yes

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    8. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I don't really know, as the odds are evens, however you cut it.

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      1. Dave Bauer
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Actually they're not, but it is a weird one.

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    9. More Cowbell
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah, always swap. Everyone knows this.

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    10. Dave Bauer
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, every time.

      Your original chance of success was 33% and it is now 50%.

      There is a very complicated equation to prove this but I'm not typing it out.

      Just google Monty Hall problem.

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      1. Hated, Adored but never Ign…
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Correct.

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      2. donners
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Not quite. It is now 67%:33% in favour of the other box. So yes, always swap.

        It's fascinating this one because it goes against everyone's first instinct, but it makes complete sense when you understand it.

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        1. Dave Bauer
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          It's 50%.

          There is no distinction statistically between the box you chose and the one left that you didn't choose. No other information is available. Therefore it's 50/50, where previously it was 33/33/33.

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          1. Blyth Spartans
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            +1

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          2. RMT's Professor
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            hopefully my comment below answers your point.

            You are right that there is no extra information, but when the question is normally stated, it is assumed that you know how the original game show worked, where they always shown you a losing box (that you didn't pick). This IS extra information and INFORMATION CHANGES PROBABILITIES.

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            1. Dave Bauer
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              Yes I realise now what he was saying and that I was disagreeing with my own point!

              Your original pick is 67% likely to have been the wrong one, therefore the other box (now we know that the third contained an egg) becomes 67% likely to be the one you want.

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          3. donners
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            The key point in the Monty Hall problem is that the host knows where the chest is, and will always show you the dud after you pick. If that's the case here (not clear), then it is 67%.

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            1. Dave Bauer
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              Indeed, see my reply above!

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          4. njfsdkffslkf
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            I thought that interpretation initially but thought it was far too simple for such an IQ test given the previous "easier" question standard

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    11. RMT's Professor
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      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      The Key point is that Bruce is always going to show you a box with eggs in (that is not the one you picked) after you pick.

      If you don't know this, you have no reason to think the answer is that you should swap, as Bruce could have randomly picked a box that happened to contain eggs, in which case you would have a 50/50 chance with either remaining box.

      In the case that you know Bruce was always going to show you a box with eggs in it (that is not the one you picked), then by changing your mind, you now have a 2/3 chance of getting the gold chest.

      WHY?

      There are two possible scenarios: 1.) Your original pick was correct, with probability 1/3
      2.) Your original pick was incorrect, with probability 2/3.

      In case 1.) if you swap, you are going to lose
      In case 2.) (think about it with boxes in front of you) if you swap, you are always going to win.

      Therefore, if you swap you have a 2/3 chance of picking the gold box.

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      1. Blyth Spartans
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Very well explained i now understand thanks

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  8. Turbodog
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    http://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowAllQuestions&ShowASQAlways=1&frm=284&iid=160559216667&ssPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_VI&redirect=0&requested=d_h_morgan

    Read the description , it's hilarious 🙂

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    1. Turbodog
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Sorry - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160559216667#description

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      1. DarPaC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        LMAO

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      2. DarPaC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        some of the questions are pretty good too 😉

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    2. Soop
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      That's brilliant!

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      1. Granville
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        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        LOL brilliant. Sounds like a bit of a flash c*** though, like all the surfers in New Quay.

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        1. Turbodog
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Flash? Yes. Funny? Yes.

          I forgive him 🙂

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  9. njfsdkffslkf
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Yes you should switch as the gold is in 1 and egg is in 2.

    Answer was given in the question.

    Or am i barking up the wrong tree again?

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    1. Hated, Adored but never Ign…
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      You can interpret the question like that. But I presume that it is not meant that like that.

      But you should switch.

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        The reason i was swayed by this over the mathematical side of the answer was i thought the act of choosing and the fact its hidden renders the decision itself pointless.

        So even going from a 66% to 50% chance of failure doesnt mean you should change - if you pick the correct box to begin with which you have a 33% chance of then choosing the switch hinders you

        So in such a blind - blind situation the stats moving more or less in your favour mean nothing. Since it can influence your choice - to choose right or wrong.

        But could be a barking etc....

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        1. njfsdkffslkf
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          But then again moving from 33% -50% means over time if you were to repeat this choice over a prolonged period then it would favor you statistically doing better by changing.

          But then again you have only got to do it once which leaves the possibility for failure equally due to only one trial.

          Hmmmm need to see the answer to this.....

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          1. Dave Bauer
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            50% is higher than 33% - there is the answer.

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            1. njfsdkffslkf
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              Yes this is what i said but if its a one off blind test then you still have as much chance to begin with

              3 doors, you choose one and one is eliminated. leaving 2.
              If you change everytime then doing this means its 50:50 to still get the wrong one.

              and this 2/3 answer, even if you do not switch its still 2/3 .

              I only see it working in repeat situations not on this one off. Statistically yes i see the point from 33 -50% but this only takes effect upon repeat trials. No? Bah im prob talking nonsense as ive been up for 8 hours ðŸ™

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    2. Blyth Spartans
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I like your thinking dbronaldo

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    3. TommyK
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I was thinking that too, but realised that wouldn't really make it an "IQ" question......

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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        The last question swayed my thinking.....See last page. Anything i felt was game this time round

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  10. Sess!
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Barton still doubtful....yawn. Worse move ever bringing him in for adam as a 2 week solution

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    1. Fratboy
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      me too ðŸ™

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Messi all day by the way 🙂

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        1. Fratboy
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          we'll see 😉

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  11. Attila the Bum
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Wahey! Mad Cheltenham accumulator of the day:
    Hurricane Fly
    Great Endeavour
    Realt Dubh
    Spirit Son

    All in good form and either favourite or near favourite
    1689/1
    🙂

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    1. Attila the Bum
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Balls! Spirit Son narrowly second. Ach well.

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      1. In Like Flynn.
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        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        E.W. At Cheltenham Attila, 8 or more runners even on Favs.

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      2. Attila the Bum
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
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        Oh! It gives you win or e/w on the accumulator! I'm still in 🙂
        Anyone else having a flutter today?

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  12. Blue Teets
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    I knew some might recognise it after all is 'the world's most famous maths problem'

    I can tell the ones who haven't and I envy them 🙂

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      It's not even a maths problem really, we did it in understanding logic in first year Psychology.

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  13. Scroobius Mac
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    What would people recommend with my strikers this week?
    Tevez, Zigic, Bendtner

    Think I may well play 4-5-1 as I have 4 defenders at home so could escape without a hit this week.
    Don't have enough in the bank to do Tevez > Rooney so would either be:
    Tevez > RVP
    or Bendtner > Wellbeck and Tevez > Rooney (4pt hit)

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  14. Blue Teets
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    The answer is you SHOULD switch.

    The probability has gone from 1 in 3 -> 2 in 3 as the provbability must add to 1.

    So by switching you double the odds of winning!

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    1. Granville
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      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      You going to the semi-final Blue teets?

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      1. Blue Teets
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Wouldn't miss it for the world my friend.

        My tout has quoted me 120 notes.

        Will I see you there ?

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        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah hopefully, fishing for 1 ticket. Everyone I know with a season ticket doesn't belong to the loyalty pot so it's not certain that even they will get one.

          Looks like I'm going to get ripped off for a ticket, but hey it's a great time to catch up with everybody including all the blue vermin I know.

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          1. Blue Teets
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Ye but Wembley is the best ground in England, even the bad seats are fantastic. Glad its not the final I just dont have $500 ðŸ™

            I got offered a spot on a city coach down there LOL. I am to coaches what Bergkamp is to planes.

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        2. njfsdkffslkf
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Anymore Q'S Blue?

          I honestly thought the one before last regarding the missing word was far more complex than simple reducing options and using probability.

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          1. Blue Teets
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            My batteries are dead mate but i've got loads...next time.

            Gonna go see 'the fighter' now!

            See you all saturday.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I'm afraid I don't buy that - and I did google "The Monty Hall Problem" - there as many mathematicians against, as there are for ... 😕

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      1. Blyth Spartans
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Have to say i side with you merrymick.

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      2. njfsdkffslkf
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Yes i was thinking the same.

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      3. Blyth Spartans
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Baggies fan just convinced me.

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    3. harmonica
      • 15 Years
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      another way to look at it is...

      there is a 1 in 3 that your box is the winner and 2 in 3 that one of the others is the winner. By opening one of the other boxes and showing it to be a loser you haven't changed anything. So switching box definitely means switching from 1 in 3 to 2 in 3.

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    4. Fratboy
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      could the same be said for Deal or No Deal then? Some one want to work out the numbers? Should you switch at the end if offered?

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      1. AmeliesDad
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        In deal or no deal the other boxes are opened randomly. In Monty Hall (or the original question here) the box opened is definitely a losing box. That's where the extra info is coming from to help you. Anyway, you don't need to prove it with Maths, just do the experiment yourself a few hundred times 🙂 In fact didn't someone like James May do it on one of his shows?

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  15. Mr Sarcastic
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Don't know if this works after translation, but hey let's try cos I'm bored.

    What's the only four footed that chinese people don't eat?

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Siamese Twins?

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      1. Mr Sarcastic
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        table...

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  16. Drip Doctor
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    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Is everyone ditching Kola now? He's still in my team, im not too sure what to do with him..

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  17. Bolivian Seaman
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    oops i forgot the answer hehe

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  18. MADE IN CHARLTON
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    CRICKET

    Morkel taking away wickets from the presumably more selected Steyn in Fantasy Cricket!

    Just need Kallis to take a few wickets now...

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  19. ralphypne
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Good little spell for Kallis this

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  20. Sam1878
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Not sure what to do here...

    Foster

    Walker - Smalling - Coleman


    Young A - Adam - Van der Vaart - Nani

    Tevez - Rooney(C) - Van Persie


    Subs
    Al-Habsi - Barton - Luiz - Djourou

    I realy want to get Lampard in, but that would mean sacrificing Tevez. Problem with that is my clostest rivals all have tevez so I don't want tevez to start scoring with all of them having him in their sides.

    Do I Get rid of Tevez + Barton for Lampard + Carrol? Or just stick with the same side and try and keep my 110 point lead for untill the rest of the season?

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  21. ChiefMockingBird
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Luiz

    Is he worth getting with Alex on the road to fitness. Discuss

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