Opinion

The Burning Question – Who Joins Costa in the Essential Stakes?

With nine goals in seven appearances, Diego Costa has wasted no time announcing himself as a major player across the Fantasy games this season. The Chelsea striker leads the way in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game with a total of 54 points, and despite a hefty 66.8% ownership, has continued to earn plenty of transfers in over the international break.

Scoring in all but one of his Premier League outings to date – away to champions City – Costa’s consistency not only makes him an obvious contender for most three-man frontlines, it lessens the hassle of armband selection, as evidenced by our Captain Poll in any given Gameweek.

As the season unfolds, though, there are a number of players stepping up in terms of consistency. Arguably, there are more options than ever this term, with alternatives across the price brackets and classifications affording Fantasy managers a variety of tactical approaches.

With this in mind, we ask the Burning Question – Who Joins Costa in the Essential Stakes?

Applebonkers says…
I’d personally change the question to who joins Gylfi Sigurdsson in the essential stakes. Given his starting price – and even current cost – his propensity to hit double figures is impossible to ignore. He’s also somewhat proven after we saw him do the same in his previous spell at Swansea. This is what separates him from the equally impressive Nacer Chadli right now – that extra level of familiarity and trust.

Costa looks a perfect fit at Chelsea, too. The fear with him, though, is that the best is gone. To put it bluntly he won’t be scoring 49 goals this season. We’ve seen even the best peter out at 30. So if you estimate there’s a maximum of 21 goals left in him, he’ll need to start popping out some top-up assists to reach essential status. I do think he has them in his locker but we need to see them still.

The third name which has to be mentioned is Angel di Maria. His intensity is something I’ve only ever seen with Luis Suarez, and to a lesser extent, Carlos Tevez. These players force things to happen and fortune does tend to follow them, too. They are the equivalent of whacking a pool shot so hard that even if you miss you’ve got a chance of going round the table and finding another pocket. If Di Maria continues to get five points for his good shots and three points for his bad shots, then he will be essential. That extreme level of fortune so far, coupled with only seeing him in great fixtures (including Everton, given the perfect absence of James McCarthy and Seamus Coleman) is why I’d be reluctant to label him essential just yet.

Jonty says…
There’s no doubting Diego Costa’s essential status. With an ownership of 66.8% in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game thanks to nine goals in seven appearances, he is the default captain choice. Indeed, even those owners who don’t hand him the armband him face a slide down the rankings on weeks where he runs riot.

It is for this same reason I believe Angel di Maria is also now essential. His ownership was 37.2% earlier this week but is set to rise substantially during the international break, with over 110,000 new owners drafting him in already. Given that in just five appearances he racked up 43 points, which equates to 8.6 points per game, those without him need an equivalent player just to keep up. Apart from Costa, that player simply does not yet exist. I had hoped David Silva would be a good differential for me to keep pace but didn’t work out, so I have already made the swap for Di Maria. The key factor was realising my ranking movements were heavily influenced by the performance of the Argentine, so great is his ownership.

For those looking to get into the top 10,000, his essential status is further cemented. Among this elite group, 79.6% went into Gameweek 7 with the talented Manchester United midfielder. In that week he racked up 13 points, a third double-digit score of his fledgling Premier League career, leaving a fifth of the top managers facing a rankings slide.

There is a slight caveat around immediate investment. He faces Chelsea and Manchester City over the next three but looks more than capable of bringing in points over the rest of his short-term fixture list. A final thought on Di Maria. His FPL price has risen by 0.6 over the last five Gameweeks in a climate of stagnant price growth. Can Fantasy managers really afford to wait to draft in this essential player?

d1sable says…
Although Costa has been fantastic, I would argue that even he isn’t essential and I will use my FPL team to show that. I don’t own the Spaniard – this isn’t something I have consciously tried to do (I had him at the start) – it’s simply that I got bored of everyone having the same team. It’s a bit of a luxury of mine to be able to play around more than your average FPL player as my main game, as you probably know, is the Sky Game. Sure I’m not having a great season by any means currently festering at 117,534 overall but I think that’s largely down to a terrible and slightly unlucky start and the sea of two-pointers that have greeted me ever since from every player bar my Captain, and herein lies my proof.

With nearly everyone owning Costa (and most captaining him) I have managed to match his scores so far:

Costa has delivered: 6,6,12,17,1,6,6 = 54 Total
My chosen captain (Costa once, returning 6) has produced: 7,6,2,13,8,9,13 = 58 Total

Sure it would’ve been nice to have Costa’s points as well as my “differential” captain but, as you can see, it’s possible to make do without him as long as you nail the captain choice. How long will this be the case? Yeah, that’s the concern.

7shadesofsmoke says…
Luis Suarez set the benchmark for ‘essential’ very high last season, and while Diego Costa leads the way this term, I’d be hesitant to hand the Chelsea hit-man top billing just yet. Costa has yet to earn an assist, has picked up three yellow cards in seven appearances, and for all of his prolificacy he’s picked up a single bonus point from four matches in which he has scored fewer than two goals.

Meanwhile, Sergio Aguero, whose minutes have been restricted, has picked up six bonus points without breaking stride and has a single yellow card to his name meaning that, in terms of points per minute, there isn’t much between the two. With fixtures turning in favour of City, and fitness and form finding their way to Aguero, Diego Costa may find the little Argentine a serious threat to the crown.

Of course, Aguero is not the only Argentine making a case. Angel di Maria has been quickly establishing himself as an FPL force. The United midfielder boasts the highest points per game (8.6) – comfortably eclipsing even Costa (7.7). His direct, high-risk approach to the game, coupled with the quality of United’s predatory forwards has seen him pick up double-figure hauls in three of his five appearances (Costa has two from seven). Some will argue Lady Luck’s involvement but she has shown to be a loyal mistress in the past. Frank Lampard, master of the deflected goal, famously wooed her into a long-term relationship using a similar approach and it seems that Di Maria is on the right path to doing the same, earning her favour with a ‘shoot on sight, cross in range’ philosophy. However, with fixtures tightening up for United, the real tests of their flourishing relationship are still to come.

Mark says…
For me, the status of “essential” is gained via a number of factors – it’s not necessarily down to pure points output but also the options available elsewhere. While Costa has clearly been the stand-out option up front to this point, this may not be the case in the coming months.

Costa’s nine goals thus far have arrived at a time when Sergio Aguero has been battling back to full fitness, along with Daniel Sturridge, while Radamel Falcao has been bedding in at Old Trafford. All three will be options in the coming months and, suddenly, that could even have us questioning Costa’s selection – particularly if Eden Hazard begins to flourish as an explosive differential.

I’d hesitate to throw the label at any other player right now. While Angel di Maria’s scoring hints that he could edge towards such a status, I still believe there are just too many options available in this area to settle on the United man. Crucially, we’ve seen several mid-price assets perform, which has enabled us to consider keeping big funds out of midfield – this has meant that we can restrict our allocation of heavy-hitters to maybe one or two targets. I’ve certainly settled on that tactic, liberating funds for defensive purchases and settling on Raheem Sterling’s goal power for my heavy-hitter.

I believe that we’ll see both Branislav Ivanovic and Leighton Baines continue to pick up ownership and become key figures. These two players are important because we’re not seeing consistent clean sheets, either from the bigger teams or in the budget market. While last season we could settle on cheap defences, then, this term there appears to be some traction in acquiring Ivanovic and Baines for their attacking output. Both appear to be playing as wingers in home matches, and while we scratch around for clean sheets, their goals and assists warrant the outlay and, for me, make it less essential that we spend big in midfield.

Tom F says…
Essential is such a loaded word in Fantasy Football terms, it gets used far too often in relation to players who should only ever be considered as transitory options, in a game that depends on how a squad of players is managed over a long season.

There are usually maybe one, or at a push, two players who are ‘essential’ in the traditional sense at any given time. A mixture of form, value, ownership and, most importantly, consistency combine to establish those players who will usually leave you trailing behind the masses if you choose to overlook them.

Costa is the only player who has been almost unanimously labelled ‘essential’ so far this season, though there are one or two candidates that could reach the same level. Rather than speculate on whether Di Maria, Aguero or perhaps even Daniel Sturridge or Radamel Falcao will become ‘essential’ I think it’s more useful to look further at what makes players attract this nomenclature.

Firstly a player must be on form for a prolonged period to become or be essential, a rare thing, particularly as even the best players have difficult fixtures or off days. Consistency here is key, points per game over an extended period is the best indicator of this but then only in relation to value. In FPL, with a finite budget available, if expending a large amount on a player, they need to fit the form/ consistency distinction but also offer value.

Value, an integral aspect to the squad building/maintenance theory as opposed to picking whoever you feel will do well each week. Gylfi Sigurdsson perhaps presents the best example this season – he offers significant value and is therefore perhaps as much as an essential player as the consistent Costa. Furthermore, he illustrates how form is influential as witnessed by the Icelanders recent barren spell, over which period he was clearly not essential. If examined over a longer run however his points per game (PPG) could push it the other way, on the basis that transfers were likely better spent elsewhere and his value is that he provided an effective amount of returns possible for that period. An essential for some squads, for the longer period, but not necessarily essential in every team when a transfer could be used on an effective differential in the short-term.

Another topic much discussed this week is how ownership comes into play, whether it should affect transfer decisions. This is perhaps where the word ‘essential’ in understanding FPL becomes compelling along with the other favourite ‘cover’. Players are ostensibly even less of an ‘essential’ option when, for example, all you need is to cover an area of their team. The Southampton and Chelsea defences spring to mind – Clyne and Bertrand have ownerships of 26.2% and 12.1% respectively, throw in Fonte and Forster and, although there will be some overlap for double-ups, that is 53.1% of managers who own a Southampton defender. That’s around the same as Fabregas and Sterling. Is a Southampton defender really essential, though?

I can’t pretend to be as knowledgeable of statistics as some discussing the subject of ownership but my anecdotal view from last season was that having players that everyone else had, or at least covering most of the high ownership targets, was a way of maintaining that position. This made some players “essential” or at least useful for retaining rank. If everyone is drawn to the same seven or eight players than it becomes a game with fewer options. This obviously helps those teams already doing well, making it far more difficult for trailing Fantasy managers to close the gap.

I agree with the statement ‘pick the players that will get the most points’ but I find that it slightly misses the point. The same players cannot necessarily be the ones getting the most points for every team. You can’t have the best players every week and take endless hits, we have to choose when and who to transfer in/out. Teams therefore should develop over time and one player that is essential for one team, may not work in another as they may end up being in that team for longer or unbalance the whole.

Essentially, it all comes down to your own squad and in many cases a player can be an essential cog in that machine. It is however a nonsense to suggest a player is ‘essential’ in overarching terms for everyone playing the game. With the proviso that once in the top 1k to 10k, going without some players can be risky. Are there any players that challenge Costa as essential? Right now, probably not, in a few weeks it could be any of Aguero, Falcao, Sturridge, Di Maria etc but only if they fit into your team and strategy as well.

Andy says…
Essential is myth perpetrated by the insecure. Essential is the lies your parents tell you to help you sleep at night. Essential is a complete fallacy.

Essential is a word that Fantasy Managers hide behind to mask what it really means: safety. Dull, dull, dull safety. Despite the question, Diego Costa shouldn’t even be considered essential. He’s just a mighty fine player doing a mighty fine job. Bravo.

Does having him in your Fantasy team make a great deal of sense? It certainly seems to be the case. He’s scoring goals, he’s owned by a huge percentile of fellow managers and he’s the main striker for the title favourites. Do you have to have him, or any other player, in your Fantasy team to succeed? Of course not.

As weeks roll by it’s far easy to own a player like Costa (and Luis Suarez and Robin Van Persie and Cristiano Ronaldo in years gone by) and just forget about the choice -or lack of choice- you make in doing so, but it is far from a pre-requisite. You’ll sleep easier, parents lies or not. You’ll have fewer grey hairs at the end of the season. Odds are that you’ll probably score more points but they’re not insurmountable. But you know that you’ll also go against your gut in doing so.

I’m steadfast in the belief that no player should be considered a must have. There is such a wide variety of options, so many balances and measures that go with building a Fantasy squad, that any apparent loss of a so-called “essential” player can be made up for with some astute acquisitions in other positions and a dash of good fortune.

Buying a Diego Costa is safe and easy, but taking a chance on [player x] is ultimately so much more rewarding. I know, I’ve done it and lived to tell the tell. Some times you just have to fly closer to the sun to really take in your surroundings.

Angel di Maria is not essential. Sergio Aguero is not essential. Gylfi Sigurdsson is not essential. David Nugent is not essential.

Essential is a fantasy.

Paul says…
It all comes down to how your approach. Last year, for example, Yaya Toure would have been deemed essential to your Fantasy prospects, yet if you delved into the underlying data, the numbers suggested his 20-goal output was a fluke – even this week, the City midfielder (as we mentioned in this week’s Say What) admitted he was more than lucky to hit the back of the net with such regularity.

I didn’t own Toure once in 2013/14 and I’d do exactly the same again if a player’s underlying stats were similarly underwhelming. Some may call that naïve but it’s simply a reflection of how I personally like to play the FPL game, how I enjoy it. Bringing in Toure last year would, to me, be the equivalent of the ending of George Orwell’s Big Brother (spoiler alert), the Winston Smith moment where I finally succumbed.

To have owned Toure last year would, to be frank, have bored me. It would have gone against how I play the game. And given that I invest a great deal of time on this game, that’s not something that sat well with me. If that comes at the detriment to my overall rank – like it did last year – then so be it. I don’t want the bland, easy option, I’d much rather look for an angle that challenges me and keeps it interesting over a 38-Gameweek campaign.

That’s why Luis Suarez was Fantasy gold for the last two seasons – his returns mirrored what we saw on the pitch and were backed up by the data. You can say the same for Cristiano Ronaldo and Gareth Bale before they left for La Liga – there was no question they deserved their monster hauls.

There are players I currently own –Branislav Ivanovic, Raheem Sterling and Diego Costa – that, injuries aside, are going nowhere as their stats are so strong within their respective classifications. Angel di Maria is possibly in my XI for the long-term, too, though given that three of his five appearances were against promoted sides, it’s too early to say. Theo Walcott is another player whose stats, returns and performances on the pitch sit well with how I play this game- when fit, I’ll be bringing him in for sure.

To classify them, or, indeed, any player as essential, though, would be to limit my choices, to restrict my tactical approach. It would be tedious. What would be the point in that?

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  1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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    Waiting for a new page then want to comment

    1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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      Like a boss 😎

  2. Surgical Attack
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    Need a surgery guys.. What do you think?
    2FT, 2.2 ITB

    Green/Begovic

    Wisdom/Ivanovic/Coloccini/Moreno/PvA
    Hazard/Sterling/Tadic/Ramsay/Siggy
    Ulloa/Naismith/Costa

    I am thinking of doing
    A) Moreno + PvA -> Baines + Alderweireld (Not enough cash for Bertrand), Keep Ramsay,
    B) Ramsay -> ADM, Forget Baines, Benching Problems
    C) Ulloa + Ramsay + PvA -> Welbeck + Chadli + Baines (-4)
    D) PvA + Ramsay + Moreno -> Baines + ADM + 3.9 Def (-4)
    E) Moreno + PvA + Ramsay -> Baines + Bertrand + Chadli (-4)

    Leaning towards E, thoughts?

    1. kalmoffit
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      C without the Baines-Pva -4.

      1. Surgical Attack
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        I want Baines 🙁

    2. Grumpy Camel
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      Probably e. C is decent.

  3. Twelve years a slave
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    As all points are in the past, who is to say who is really essential. It can only be properly used in the past tense.
    Correct?

    1. kalmoffit
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      You're not using the past as a guide to the future? 🙂

    2. 7shadesofsmoke
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      you enjoyed writing that, didn't you 😉

      1. Twelve years a slave
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        Past results are no guarantee of future returns, as the brokers like to point out.

        1. 7shadesofsmoke
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          why are you saying this like i imply they are?

          1. Fitzy.
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            I thought he was just commenting on the article in general mate, not specifically targetting you...

        2. Fantasy Gold
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          What's your OR trigger

          1. Twelve years a slave
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            Was just referring to the article of course, cant see how i was targetting anyone.

            Night all

            1. 7shadesofsmoke
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              apologies TL, it seemed like a response to carry on our [linked] conversation form the last page (as it was in reply to me rather than a new comment on the article).

              My bad.

              Night 😀

        3. IfYouTinkerYou'llHaveA…
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          Brokers use past trends to predict future behaviour

    3. Hubert
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      Yes

    4. Ginkapo FPL
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      In that case you should log off and never come back as we only use the past here.

  4. Gooner97
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    Euro Qualifiers Fantasy, what 4 transfers to do?

    Subasic (Giorgallides)
    Bonucci Torossidis Chambers (McAuley, O'Shea)
    Muller Alaba Sterling Zengin (McGeady)
    Immobile Rooney Robben

    1. Holmes
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      Rooney/Immobile to Mandy? Sterling to Shaqiri?
      Not sure though, can we save our FT for next round?

      1. Gooner97
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        I don't know mate, it's the first time I play this game

        1. Holmes
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          Same 😀
          I dont wanna do any transfers except bringing Mandzukic 😛

  5. Egg noodle
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    I am desperate to get Milner. Who goes?

    Chadli siggy boyd tadic sterling?

    1. Holmes
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      Boyd or Tadic?

    2. Fantasy Gold
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      Navas is a better option.

    3. Surgical Attack
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      Boyd

    4. Grumpy Camel
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      Chadli

  6. Arvin-ation
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    This place is dead...

  7. Fantasy Gold
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    Could I get your opinions please?

    Begovic McCarthy
    Baines Moreno Clyne Naylor Moore
    Sterling Siggy Fabregas Tadic Boyd
    Costa Dzeko Pelle

    3m itb, 1 FT. Dzeko > Welbeck ?

    1. Nabs Kebabs
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      aye

  8. Geordienufc1
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    I'm assuming there are other Aussies on here who watched the Bathurst 1000 today. What a race!

    1. Grumpy Camel
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      Flicked it on before. Saw a Volvo and I'm sober. What the...

  9. First come, first serve on players
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    I read the article on "points make price rises" and it reminded me of a change that I wanted in FPL.

    The problem for me was that post-January the template was formed (this season, for whatever reason, it was formed in GW3) and I was only really cheering for differentials or punty captains. This made the game quite boring so I was thinking of ways FPL could overcome this and what I thought of was capping off ownership to 30-35% on each player. So basically this is how it would work.

    There are about 3 million players in FPL so for GW1, FPL make 1 million (30-35%) of each player available on a "first come, first serve" basis. We'll take Costa as an example. So once he has exceeded his 1 million limit he is made unavailable to buy. The only way he can be bought now is if his ownership falls below 30%(that figure is just an example). Now you'll think that "dead teams" will just hog him all season but to solve that problem "in demand players" (those who have reached their limit) will be removed from teams that are inactive for more than 4GWs and put back on the market for the following week. The "dead team" will receive an auto-pick in place of the in demand player.

    Price rises and falls.
    These will be based on performance so for every 10 Overall Points a player will increase by 0.1m. In terms of falling this can be done every two weeks. If in those 2 weeks that player scores 2 or less points (even if injured/suspended) then he falls by 0.1m with 3m the lowest a player can go. So over a season a player can't drop more than 1.9m and will rise depending on their Overall Points.

    So let's take Costa as example. In GW1 he has 30% ownership and starts the season the way he did. No-one will sell him so the first time you can buy him is GW5 when he is removed from inactive teams. He will be put on the market for a full GW and removed after the deadline if he exceeds his ownership limit.

    There was more but I can't remember it all at the moment. Feel free to rip this model apart.
    In case you're saying "if it's not broken don't fix it" I say it is broken and my evidence is 66%+ ownership of Costa already has made him a dullard. I can't even captain anyone else at the moment due to his high ownership.

    1. Billy Gilmore
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      And imagine being one of the ones to miss out on getting Suarez when he was getting 20 points a week for a while...

      1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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        You'll have to get creative. This will also make jumping on bandwagons more interesting

        1. Billy Gilmore
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          It would just advantage those who jump on bandwagons as they would always be amongst the first 30% to own a player. If it doesn't work out then move onto the next bandwagon, if it does, then you're onto a winner. Sorry, but it seems a completely daft and infeasible mechanic to include in a game.

          1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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            So you have to make the decision of whether you are going to jump the band wagon or not. A perfect example of this is Siggy this year. The first week he was a differential, now he's template.

    2. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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      The price falls means if over 2 weeks their Total Score is 2 points or less e.g. 1 point in GW1 and 1 point in GW2. If they score 3 or more points, their price stays the same or even increases

    3. Fitzy.
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      If these changes were implemented I doubt there'd be 3 million people playing it for very long. How would the 'first come first serve' rule be fair given that this is a global game with many different time zones?

      1. Twelve years a slave
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        If Costa could only be bought when his ownership would fall below 30 % you would have non owners continually clicking the transfer button in the hope someone had just sold him.

        A far better way would be just to make him more expensive as his ownership rose.

        This of course is why this seasons slow price rises dont work. Prices dont rise quickly enough so you get players like siggi owned by everyone and he still ridiculously cheap

        1. Billy Gilmore
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          Perhaps that works now, but there is also the other mechanic that this causes – reluctance to sell as buying back will be costly

          Last season, even if Ramsey/Yaya/Suarez/Coleman had a form crisis then nobody would sell as they had all risen by ~2m. This season people will feel less reluctance to break up the template for short periods to get on the new form players as the cost of selling and re-buying those players will be far less and not prohibitive.

          1. Nabs Kebabs
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            +1

          2. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
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            If Cosa has risen by 0.5m but gets injured for 6 weeks, this gives you a big decision on whether to hold onto him or take the price falls and keep him

            1. Nabs Kebabs
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              i would sell in the blink of an eye. even if it was two weeks.

            2. ralfb
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              Not really as you should be able to buy him back after he falls in price in 6 weks

            3. Billy Gilmore
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              How is that a dilemma? 90+% of active owners would sell and his price would plummet

        2. MJ6987
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          Yep, exactly how price rises are meant to work. The problem is the price changes of last season were putting off a lot of casuals. I know of at least two who have not re-entered our mini league for this reason.

          Casuals make up the bulk of their players therefore they would rather keep them happy than the relatively small number of elite players on here.

          1. Nabs Kebabs
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            some of the proposed changes on here would keep pretty much no one happy 😀

    4. Nabs Kebabs
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      not a fan, tbh.

      i like the game the way it is.

    5. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
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      This would work for me. I settled for a high ownership heavy attacking team early on, with little to no differentials.

    6. Nabs Kebabs
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      i hate the template as much as the next guy but making extreme changes like this will ruin the game.

    7. Rasping Drive
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      I don't understand how this year is any different to previous years. In fact, I would say that this year is much more interesting with so many mid-priced options doing well.

      In years gone by everyone captained Ronaldo every week, or captained Gerrard one week and Lampard the next, or Suarez every week.

      People that feel forced to adhere to the so-called template either have to have more imagination or more balls to take a different path. It's that simple.

      1. Twelve years a slave
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        See my post above, and you will see why its different

        1. Nabs Kebabs
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          haven't slow risers been in a feature in previous seasons aswell?

          1. Twelve years a slave
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            No, certainly not to the extent they are this season

            1. Rasping Drive
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              You are implying that the reason why the game has "become boring" is due to the change in the pricing system. I don't see it that way at all.

              1. Billy Gilmore
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                Exactly. Does anyone actually think that a template of:

                Cesc ADM Sterling Siggy
                Costa (2 of Kun/Pelle/Welbeck)

                wouldn't have been present at this stage last season? If so they're kidding themselves. The template forms as they're the highest point scorers, simple as that. Yes, teams will vary a bit, depending on how quickly they got the template. If anything faster price rises enhance this as you are punished more if you don't follow the template, as you are left behind in your buying power if you don't act soon.

                This year there is the option of going "I'll wait and get ADM in GW13 when his fixtures improve and have x until then as I think he'll do better" without being ridiculously priced out of it. Last year it would've been like "I need to get ADM before Tuesday as otherwise I won't be able to afford him"

                Then there's the selling and re-buying players I mentioned above.

                1. Nabs Kebabs
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 7 months ago

                  this is why i struggles last season. i was doing my own thing and beig left behind because of the crazy price rises

                  1. Nabs Kebabs
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 7 months ago

                    wow.

                    struggled*
                    being*

    8. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Sounds good but it will make things complicated for FPL towers and us.
      I like ESPN's fantasy price system though. Depending on performances(rather than ownership) every week, they increase/decrease player's value by £0.1m-0.3m. Till date, Costa's value has increased by £1m or so while Yaya has dropped 0.8m below his initial value 🙂

      1. Fitzy.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I'm playing that game for the first time. Any idea how many are playing?

        1. Holmes
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          No idea, last year it was around 1m

          1. Fitzy.
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            How did you find that out?

            1. Holmes
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 7 months ago

              It was shown last time after Christmas/Jan WC.

              1. Fitzy.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 7 months ago

                Thanks.

      2. Saint Steve-O (@EliteFPL)
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        That's a very good price rise/fall system... Actually makes sense

    9. Saint Steve-O (@EliteFPL)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Brilliant write up

    10. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Wouldn't this make you less likely to sell them too? Essentially stuck with the template for the season. It also relies too much on being online at the right time. Akin to buying concert tickets and the likes, where things sell out in seconds. Not very fun at all.

      For one thing though it would make players coming back from injury very interesting. You would pre-emptive get Walcott a week before he returns to beat the crowd?

      1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        A player would be available for the full week until the next deadline. So in theory their ownership could rise from 28% to 36% in that one week he was made available

        1. BeachBadger
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Sorry. My misunderstanding. I thought it was capped as soon as it reached 30

    11. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Wow, this is terrible.
      If I'm happy with my team for 4 weeks I will have my main player ripped from me?

      1. Jönny
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Have you EVER been happy for your team for 4 weeks??

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Yes, but I made changes anyway 😉

          We're not casuals though, the majority of people are. I know plenty of people who rarely make transfers and are happy doing that.

          1. Jönny
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            Yeah, I don't think it's a great idea. It would be a massive turnoff for "casual" players. Some on here might think that's a good thing, I don't...

        2. Billy Gilmore
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I would've been if I wasn't nit-picky at the start of the season. Half of my transfers have been fixing up problems I created because I didn't want to waste a transfer (selling Costa in GW3 😡 )

    12. Nickemon
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Or as an option, we're all handed points for the vice captain as well? Lets say points x 1.5 instead of 2?

    13. MJ6987
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Good idea, sort of similar to a draft game on a much bigger scale wrt limited ownership.

      I can see a problem with your definition of "dead teams" though. What if an active player just decides he / she doesn't need to change their team for 4 GWs and suddenly FPL decides that they are dead and releases Costa from their team?

      1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Inactive means not logging in

    14. Blaise
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      This increases the element of luck in the game for me. Anything increases luck = bad.

      PS: You can captain whoever you want. It's your job to make the game interesting for yourself. If your getting board, then impose limited on yourself. Pick a nationality and restrict yourself to those players, as I did last year (All-English).

    15. JasonG123
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I don't think that the template formed in GW3. The template is changing all the time. After the first couple of game weeks everyone was saying Rooney, Ramsey and Ivanovic were essential, not so much any more. Now people are even selling Fabregas and Sterling. Only really Siggy and Costa have remained in the template the whole season, the rest of the template changes from week to week.

    16. Kalix
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      This is a different game

    17. Van Klinkert Delarosa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      This will kill the game and you will see more dead team than before.

      I wonder what you would feel to have fringe players from the start due to some issue (can't set the team because of personal reason) and end up waiting for dead team to get reshuffle and meantime the player increase in price. Or even end up with players that not even make it on the bench and resulting to the decrease of your team value and less money to play with. Would you not feel frustrated?

      Also this would stagnant the market because it would take 4 GW / 1 months to actually got the players you desire for.

    18. aquavit
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I'm against Part 1, setting an arbitrary limit on who can buy a player, and "firing" a player for any reason. Even if that were accepted, four gameweeks is far too short a period; GW 17-20 take less than two calendar weeks.

      As for Part 2, changing the system of price rises and falls is something FPL does from time to time, for its own unannounced reasons. It looks to me that they intended to make FPL easier this season, to keep the millions of more or less "casual" players interested and playing. If so, they'll hardly be receptive to making it harder, just to keep the much smaller core of "serious" players interested, since most of those players will stay in the game anyway.

    19. DelboyFPL
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      u might aswell not play the game after reading this also you say you can't captain anyone else but Costa because of his ownership..... yes you can... u still get his points remember but you pick someone who outscores him then your laughing, everyone has there captaincy ways but i make score predictions and chose on basis of that and picking Baines this week has worked a treat 🙂 keep game the way it is otherwise i wouldn't play it simples, it's the best fantasy game for a reason, bonus points is my only issue

  10. The Man Pastore
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Why is Hazard yellow flagged?

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      He missed Belgium's qualifier with a toe injury.

  11. AnarChYs7
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    DAE think Wilshere is worth a punt with Ozil out?

    1. Hubert
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Prefer the Ox, but still might be worth a shout

      1. AnarChYs7
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        If Wenger decides to play Cazorla and Sanchez along with Wilshere and Ramsey, then the Ox won't even get to start. Never mind the impending return of Theo Walcott.

        1. BeachBadger
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Ramsey is out too

    2. ralfb
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Remember walcott might come back soon

  12. JJO
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    I forgot that 3rd site with prices
    Fiso total and?

      1. JJO
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Thats the one
        Thanks

  13. Nabs Kebabs
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    is any site near getting fallers right yet?

  14. ZiZou10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Current squad:

    Foster, Myhill
    Baines, Ivanovic, Bertrand, Moore, Wisdom
    Di Maria, Fabregas, Lallana, Sigurdson, Cork
    Costa, Welbeck, Pelle

    Wildcard is active so any feedback/changes appreciated.

    1. Saint Steve-O (@EliteFPL)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Foster, Myhill, Lallana, Cork... Certainly differentials, but won't do much points wise for you

    2. JasonG123
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Really like the Lallana pick. Looks like a very good team, although I'd try and get a back up keeper to Foster. Also Wisdom's place may be under threat so maybe go Hutton. Obviously Aguero is a big omission, but going with the big defence could work out well.

  15. Nabs Kebabs
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    What is wrong with the current game? 😕

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Feck all.

    2. JasonG123
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      The gaps system.

      1. JasonG123
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        *baps.

      2. Nabs Kebabs
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        prefer performance based over statistical or what?

        1. JasonG123
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Combination of both. Like have it like it is now but then give 15 baps for man of the match, 10 baps for second best and 5 baps for third best based on a man in the stands approach.

      3. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I prefer the man in the stand baps system. Not because it's actually better, but I like the discussions they cause.

    3. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Nothing 😀

    4. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      There are no games this weekend.

      International gameweeks should have prem matches to avoid this issue.

      1. Nabs Kebabs
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        😆 😆

      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        So true 😆

      3. BeachBadger
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I think it would be great to see. Let all the players feck off for international duty and see how Chelsea fair against Burnley without all their stars 😉

    5. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      As Kinnear posted above. It's too easy to get in players and so the template is formed. Don't think his solution is the way to go about it. Perhaps we are looking at it the wrong way. Instead of it being too easy to get players in. Maybe it should be harder to remove players. Maybe hits should go up in increments. No free transfers. -2 for your first transfer, -4 for your second, -6, -8 and so on.

      1. BeachBadger
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Though we all like a transfer or two, so maybe have it build that way aswell. 1FT the following week if you take no hit, the previous week.

      2. Nabs Kebabs
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        trying way too hard to get rid of the "template". it's inevitable really

        1. BeachBadger
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I know. Theres always a system and no matter what system there is in play there will be players suited to that system and those will be the ones we get 🙁

    6. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Also I'd like to see more reward for defensive mids and good displays in general. 3pts for a piss poor performer who happened to luck a penalty is a joke. Likewise, no points for a man of the match performance is equally unfair

  16. troller
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    downing>siggy -4 for week 9

  17. ZiZou10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Will Lallana start for L'pool every week?

    1. MJ6987
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Well, there are 4 attacking slots available to him.

      Sturridge and Sterling will get two of them when fit.

      That leaves two slots between:

      Lallana
      Lambert
      Balotelli
      Markovic
      Coutinho
      Borini

      So I would say not.

      1. ZiZou10
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I would say Lallana is the best pick from those listed

        1. MJ6987
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Probably. Hence, he should play most weeks.

      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        And Allen/Can

        I think he'll start most games though. He's been one of our best players recently.

        1. MJ6987
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          I think they are more competition for the two deeper midfield slots - where Gerrrard and Hendo play.

          1. Billy Gilmore
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            It's not as simple as that though. Could easily be a midfield of:

            –––––– Gerrard
            Henderson – Allen/Can

            in either a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 diamond.

  18. Fantasy Gold
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    What midfielder do you think will break up the template?

    My vote goes to Sir Yaya Toure.

    1. Nabs Kebabs
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      alexis

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Sanchez

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Walcott

      1. MJ6987
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Seem the most likely.

      2. Jarvis
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Agreed.

    4. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Sanchez/Walcott

  19. Lanley Staurel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    I have the money to do this for a -4

    Haz and Dzeko to...
    Cazorla and Ageuro

    My front 3 would be Costa, Aguero, Pelle

    Yay or nay?

    1. Fantasy Gold
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I wouldn't get rid of Hazard

    2. Jarvis
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Hold Hazard. Find another way to bring in Aguero.

  20. ZiZou10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    A- Hart, Sterling, Berahino

    Or

    B- Foster, Lallana, Pelle

    I can offered any other GK in combination A.

  21. Jarvis
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Is there anyone who missed the GW 1 A-league games and want to start a new league? My addiction to fantasy football needs to be filled...

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Not if it means I would have to watch any of the games 😛

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        😀

      2. Jarvis
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        For me this means checking the score the next morning and reading the paper. I'd classify myself as casual.

  22. diabydoesgallas
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts on this team lads?

    Forster (4.0)

    Terry - Baines - Bertrand (Wisdom / Duff)

    Sterling - Siggy - Downing - ADM (King)

    Costa - Aguero - Welbeck

    To have this team I'd need to use my free transfer on Kompany > Baines. Thoughts?

    1. ZiZou10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yea, I like it. Good team.

  23. Nappees
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Hey guys,
    How nailed is Sadio Mané for saints? Any risk of rest or rotation?
    Thx!

  24. A Defender's Nightmare
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Is Boyd nailed on? Any of the currently injured players of Burnley likely to pose a threat for his starting berth once they are fully fit?

  25. Willis.
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    So is the Fox game going to update or not? I want my Villa goal and Duff assist dammit.

    1. Nabs Kebabs
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      something wrong. normally instant updates, even when the gw deadline occurs if you refresh the pag everything is updated including ML's

    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      We don't work on weekends.

    3. The Finnisher
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Scorey Goalmeiro broke the system with that screamer.

  26. Jarvis
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    RMT.

    Loris
    Ivan - Baines - Clyne
    hazard - Sterling - ADM - Fab
    Costa - Aguero - Falcao

    Forster - Moore - Wisdom - Siggy

    0.3ITB

    1. diabydoesgallas
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      3/10

      1. Jarvis
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        You'd expect more from a TV of 109.3 aye. Back to the drawing board...

        1. Notorious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          109.3 😆

    2. Tanglebrain
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Fantasy Fantasy Football

    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Which bank are you getting your money from?

  27. troller
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    best 5.4 5th mid to rotate with downing

    1. WipWapJaws
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Moses would be my pick

  28. Mash Potato
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Naismith or Ulloa?

    1. Notorious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Naismith

  29. iron2010
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    A,b or c lads

    A. Hutton / Tadic. Then chadli in couple weeks
    B. Downing / mangala
    C. Downing / Apzi

    1. Notorious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      C

  30. Damo.
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Urgh. Dying.