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Last but not least, the third article in our series focusing on attacking potential takes a look at the defenders. We’ve already ran the rule over the midfielders and forwards in the past couple of days and now the men at the back come under analysis. Highlighting the top 10 performers in terms of threat in our own ICT Index, we also list the top 20 for goal attempts so far and cast an eye over their underlying stats to ascertain their possible Fantasy value going forward:

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  1. thetinkerman
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    So, Baines and Johnson, captain the one who's at home each week? 😀

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  2. thetinkerman
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    "There is no need for people to be our working on the pitch. We have a heating system which, if we close the roof, can dry the pitch in 30 minutes. I know this situation is not very nice, but please wait until the inspection."

    Sounds like it might go ahead but delayed just like in the Euros.

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  3. thetinkerman
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    This Wilson band-wagon is going to be out of control!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  4. thetinkerman
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    Wales very lucky not to be 3 down!

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  5. thetinkerman
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    Maybe they should try rolling more balls on the pitch.

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    1. FF Dirtbag
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      This... definitely this^^

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  6. applebonkers
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    baines has a gross amount of key passes

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  7. applebonkers
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    suarez in la paz tonight, means when he dives he'll fall a bit quicker as the air is so thin

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    1. r0nh
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      Does the thickness of the air have an effect of the strength of gravity?

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      1. Kostja
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        naah just less wind traction

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      2. ColeHole
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        The thickness of your post may have an effect on the much vaunted perception of your intelligence.

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        1. r0nh
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          huh?

          I like boobies 🙂

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          1. ColeHole
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            You can win every argument that way, but it doesn't make you right.

            Besides, I heard different....

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            1. r0nh
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              That was just one drunken night!!

              Let it go!

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              1. ColeHole
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                After you pushed it through the letterbox? Never.

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            2. ColeHole
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              ...on the street and such.

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  8. Az
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    Any good tips for bets tonight?
    I have £5 and want to make some money as i've accidently spent my months budget already 🙂

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    1. blue cheese
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      Belgium-1, Portugal-1, Belarus probably.

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    2. TeamSteam
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      Benteke to score
      Kerzakhov to score
      Boznia to win
      Kroos to score
      Belgium to win
      Holland to win
      Pedro to score

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  9. Az
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    Stuck a fiver on Lewandowski and Defoe to both score at 17/2. Wish me luck!

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    1. Kostja
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      Good luck, but Defoe might not even start.

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  10. The Gambler.
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    Suarez more touches in the box than RVP and Ba together!

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    1. Kostja
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      Too bad he cant shoot.

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    2. r0nh
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      I hate Suarez, he is such a racist.

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      1. The Gambler.
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        who told you that? seems harsh.

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      2. Elniñorules
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        Post of the day.

        Gnight all!

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        1. ColeHole
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          Aye, my work won't do itself! Gnight.

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  11. Damo.
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    Have a feeling Clark is going to be a bit of a legend this year. For better or for worse

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    1. The Gambler.
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      which one?

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  12. Scroobius Mac
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    Haha Boyce's stats are brilliant. Can't shoot for toffee.

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  13. Butters
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    Members articles have been pretty good this international break

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  14. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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    Does anyone know if the England match will be on in India tonight? Which channel?

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    1. blue cheese
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      Unfortunately, no. They're telecasting Iraq v Australia though 😛

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      1. CRAZY TRAIN
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        That'll probably be a better quality game to watch than Engurland

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  15. Home Run Baker
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    First!

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    1. Andrew
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      Fail

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  16. r0nh
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    Anybody want easy money?

    Bet on Portugal to beat Northern Ireland -2 goals.

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    1. The Gambler.
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      Belgium -1 are 21/20 ............... cha ching

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    2. Willian't
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      Epic fail!

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  17. tosey
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    no vermaelen? was making plans to get him in next week for rafael

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    1. The Finnisher
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      You worried about rotation for Rafael?
      Vermaelen has QPR mun vs che ARS and then Uniteds fixtures turn lovely.

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      1. tosey
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        yeh thats my concern, guessing smalling and jones will get gametime

        would be a hit to get verm in though so i may hold off, what do u think?

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        1. ColeHole
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          Verm's overpriced this year? Compared to other ARS options and accounting for Bould's apparent changes.

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          1. TeamSteam
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            He`s not overpriced, he`s just not been going forward. Usually he only attacks when Arsenal are down, which they havent been much this year.

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            1. ColeHole
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              That would make him overpriced though? Not saying he's not absolutely elite, but 1.5 more than others in that team, all of whom have outscored him, is a bit much for me, ta. eg:compared with Baines or Ivanovic. It's a bit like Kompany at 7.5 or Evra @ Manu. Why pay more?

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              1. TeamSteam
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                Well yeah i see your point. If you compare his attacking threat at the minute (from watching games, not just reading stats), you would conclude that he`s far behind the likes of Baines/Ivan/Cole/Rafael and even Gibbs, but we all know what he`s capable of and i think once Arsenal start conceding first he`ll push forward more. That said, if i were to get an Arsenal defender i`d go with Sagna when fit or Gibbs. That extra money comes in handy other places, and you cant really depend on your defenders to produce offensively every week.

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                1. ColeHole
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                  Unless they're Baines, ofc.

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                  1. TeamSteam
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                    Yes, but he`s quite unique. I consider him as a midfielder with CS potential. He literally owns that left hand side, and he`s on FK`s and penos. Whats not to love?

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        2. FPL Daniel
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          Gibbs and especially if Kos is injured for longer period are way much better value. With the new Ars defense verm isn't that kind of a threat anymore

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          1. tosey
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            good points about verm, i didnt realise their new strategy had restricted him!

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            1. FPL Daniel
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              I miss Mert there obviously sorry

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        3. The Finnisher
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          He's still up there for shots, the first table seems a bit pointless as there are so many with 3 games or less.
          Not sure if he is worth a hit though, given he has United away the week after, but it is Vermaelen after all.

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          1. The Finnisher
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            Don't think he's worth 1m+ over Gibbs and Sagna when he returns either.

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  18. Sam
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    Don't know if it's already been said but; Senegal have just been disqualified from the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations so Cisse, Ba and Diame are all going nowhere in January. Excellent in an FPL sense.

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  19. FPL Daniel
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    The most useless ICT Threat ever. No one is guaranteed minutes and then good bet obviously

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    1. FPL Daniel
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      P.S. Can't wait for the my table to be available starting this w/e hopefully. Now I can't sort for the column as I want it. Also would have add filter at least 3 games or something

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  20. Deano
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    October 16 at 3:28 pm
    DEANO SAYS:
    Sorry gents, I got caught out the back of the last post with this (I hope.)

    As a first time Aussie would appreciate some advice on whether to WC or just battle on with these boys. Currently on 369pts with 1 FT this week that I was going to go Hazard>Cazorla.

    Al-Habsi (Ruddy)
    Gibbs, Cueller, Hangeland (Demel, Clarke)
    Hazard, Pienaar, Michu, Kagawa (Sterling)
    RVP, Tevez, Fletcher

    Thanks to those of you who take the time to advise.

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    1. phy5tij
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      Can you do Kagawa Cazorla?

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      1. Deano
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        No, only 0.8 in the kitty.

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    2. The Finnisher
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      Save your WC, only a few of your back 7 *need* changing and I don't think a few defensive transfers is worth a WC.
      Can you do Kagawa > Bale next week?

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      1. Deano
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        Only if I downgrade Tevez to Ba/Berba and take a hit

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        1. The Finnisher
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          Cant afford Hazard > Cazorla and Kagawa > Bale next week? Damn

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          1. The Finnisher
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            Hazard > Cazorla this week, Kagawa > Bale next week**

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            1. Deano
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              Is Bale that important with their next five fixtures though?

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    3. tosey
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      dont wildcard and get bale over cazorla

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      1. Deano
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        Cheers guys, I'll put the WC back in the freezer, grab a brewski and chill for a while maybe taking some hits.

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  21. Blue Teets
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    At uni I've been learning business psychology and I cannot believe the parallels between trading and FPL.

    All the mistakes I have made, and seen others continue to make, are nothing but the result of an incorrect mindset- which can be fixed.

    You get burned badly one week, confidence is shot and even more points are lost over the next 5 gw's because you're being 'too' careful. (not being in the 'flow')

    Or planning a mega-transfer strategy for weeks then at the last minute going with whatever random bit of advice appears on the board. (avoiding the pain of responsibility).

    Think I should write an article with ideas for fpl?

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    1. TeamSteam
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      Yes. I`d read it.

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    2. Tatty Bojangles
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      Go for it.

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      FPL despite relating to football and the events that happen on the pitch is basically a numbers game and you build stock in order to get maximum value and when it goes wrong you hedge your bets on other rising stocks and get rid of dead stock...I can see the parallels with trading.

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    4. Gargamel
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      Yes!

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    5. ColeHole
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      You've only just realised this? 🙂

      this season will be more fun for you now.

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    6. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Knock yourself out.

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    7. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      But I'm not sure the financial crisis was really caused by traders being 'too careful', although the credit crunch that succeeded it could have been a result of that.

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        I suppose you could say FFS is kind of like a credit rating firm.

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        1. Blue Teets
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          Its more like a trading floor. Most of the rants/advice here are emotional and in response to past successes or failures.

          "BUY BUY BUY" !!... Doesn't score a hat-trick "SELL SELL SELL"!!

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    8. Home Run Baker
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      I like the concept.

      The key to FPL is to take a long-term view, and not make knee-jerk decisions. The knee-jerk moves provide gratification, so it's difficult.

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    9. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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      sounds interetsing man. Give it a go!

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  22. OPTA FPL
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    who wil replace Vaz Te? (out for 12 weeks)

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    1. TeamSteam
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      Taylor with Jarvis shifting to the right would be my guess.

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    2. blue cheese
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      Doos says Matt Taylor.

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      1. OPTA FPL
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        new bargain? 4.9M and classified as mf

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        1. blue cheese
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          Not sure.
          He does get the odd game at LB. Plus there's Benayoun, Maiga and Collison(injured atm). And as Tosey says, shite fixtures. I'd stay away tbh.

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        2. TeamSteam
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          Potential bargain, yes. Freekicks, corners and an amazing left foot. Sadly, fixtures sour up ahead. Still, might get him in as my cheapie and pocketing the almost £2m over Nolan.

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      2. tosey
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        shame their fixtures are poor or id look at him

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        1. blue cheese
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          Indeed, poor right upto GW 19.

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        2. Connor's Calling
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          tosey, what trades you looking at this week? Getting rid of Dyer and Ramirez?
          I've got two free and thinking of:
          Hazard -> Cazorla
          Ba -> Berba

          Meaning i can do Michu -> HBA next week.
          Seem sound?

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          1. tosey
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            im sticking this week but will get rid of those two the week after

            michu is staying for me, on course for another 15 goal season like in la liga last year as hes their main attacking threat so worth keeping long-term

            if u already have bale then i like the two moves this week

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            1. Connor's Calling
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              yeah, already got Bale.
              Cheers for advice on Michu. I might just have to go w/out Newc - or bring Ba back in if Berba struggles over next 2 weeks.
              think you've got enough to cover until next week by the way.

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              1. tosey
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                bale to hba gwk11 is an idea if bale is still around 9.5m and will be easy to get back

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  23. Gargamel
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    Surprised that Ivanovic has so few attempts with all these penalty box touches. He spends half the game in the opposition box this season it seems, for me he's probably #1 for goal threat from defenders this season but stats don't show everything.

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    1. TeamSteam
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      He`s been up there alot, but from what i`ve seen (which is alot) he hasn`t been able to put something to the final ball. But for sure he`s been one of the most if not _the_ most attacking defender, maybe lagging Bainesy by a little.

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    2. GreenWindmill
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      Trying to decide whether to hold on to him at the moment, fixtures turn unpleasant so cleansheets look harder to come by but his menace going forward is delicious.

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    3. phy5tij
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      ICT index and threatvscore is slightly flawed? Accuracy is actually an overlooked key stat. Indicates a players class in front of goal. That's why Suarez's stats are so bloated, and I agree Ivan has the biggest goal threat so far

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      1. Scroobius Mac
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        He has the most shots on target as well you know.

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      2. Gargamel
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        I think one thing we can say is that with all those penalty box touches things are looking good for Ivan, because even if his accuracy drops, as this article states it should, then he's probably likely to get a higher ratio of attempts to box touches.

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  24. 1966 was a great year for E…
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    When they talk about 'touches in the box', does that mean literally every time the player touches the ball (hence Suarez having loads because he's always jinking past players)?

    Or is one touch each time you receive the ball, then subsequently release it, whatever happens in between?

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      It's clear Suarez never gets touched in the box...that's all I know.

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    2. Gargamel
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      • 16 Years
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      Touches
      A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost.

      ----

      That is the OPTA definition, so the second alternative of yours. I think 🙂

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        Cheers, it's still not all that clear from OPTA, though...

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    3. GreenWindmill
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      Good question, I've always assumed the latter but thinking about it a little more the former sounds plausible too 😕

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  25. The Nuttmxn
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    • 13 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Have 2 Free Transfers and want to give my DF a bit of a change:

    Jaaskelainen (Begovic)
    Koscielny O'Brien, Baines (Nelsen, Olsson)
    Hazard, Yaya, Cazorla, Ben Arfa (Puncheon)
    Jelvavic, Tevez, Ba

    Thinking mostly about getting rid of Koscielny and O'Brien but not sure who to get in.

    Cheers in advance for any help. 🙂

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    1. tosey
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      wilson and/or cameron

      stoke are good for a few cleanies after this week

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    2. WillShare
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      Yaya for Pienaar
      Tevez for Suarez/Podolski for one game then Crouch.
      Stoke defenders will be an option(after manu).

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  26. Benster
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    Currently have Caz/Haz/Peanut/Michu as my 1st choice midfield.

    Thinking about a decent (not makeweight) midfielder to rotate with Peanut/Michu when they have tricky fixtures, especially away from home. Have £5.7m to spend.

    Who would you say is the better prospect?

    a) Javi Garcia (£5.5m)
    b) Tom Cleverley (£5.7m)?
    c) Other suggestions

    I alredy have RvP up front and have no Man City players so that could be a point I guess.......

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    1. phy5tij
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      Keep an eye on Jarvis, he may improve

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    2. TeamSteam
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Not Javi Garcia. Gets rotated and plays CDM when he figures. Cleverley might have been an option but i think Ferguson will return to 4-4-2 once he gets his wingers fit again. Its just the best way for United to play.

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    3. Simon March
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      Taraabt, Maloney, McAnuff, Routledge & Dyer are all better options if you ask me...

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    4. Benster
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      Good stuff, thanks guys. Purposely avoiding Routledge and Dyer as it's hardly worth rotating them with Michu 🙂

      Otherwise, good advice. Cheers

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      1. Simon March
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        Sorry missed the bit about having Michu...

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  27. Tmel
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    If you're on a WC, would you get in Rafael or Evans? Or neither? Worried by Smalling returning

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    1. FF Dirtbag
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      Rafael tbh... Attacking potential and think he has impressed SAF with it.

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    2. TeamSteam
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      Thats really a tough one. Evans should be more nailed on with Vidic out for a while, but Rafael has been great and offers more potential. Tbh i dont think Jones can compete, but i really dont know.

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  28. Rossaldinho
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Interesting article on Goal.com website today. A few weeks ago in a passing comment when everyone was discussing the merits of Cazorla I compared him to a lightweight version of Iniesta with great potential.

    http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2012/10/15/3451409/cazorla-i-try-to-copy-barcelonas-iniesta

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  29. Jönny
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    Anyone know much about Romania? Thinking of popping Holland (-1) into an accumulator tonight at 23/10. Romania are having a decent qualifying campaign so far, but Holland are having a great one... am I being a mug here?

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    1. TeamSteam
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      No, Holland usually just plow through qual-matches and i fancy them to do the same this year. That said, Romania can be a tricky place to go to so its not exactly a sure thing, but i`d reckon they will win comfortably.

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  30. Jimjam
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    13 years, 2 months ago

    Hey guys, any advice for this team?

    Foster, Begovic
    Baines, Gibbs, Cuellar, Demel, Davies
    Cazorla, Ben Arfa, Michu, Pienaar, Puncheon
    RVP, Tevez, Fletcher

    1FT, 2.0 in bank

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    1. WillShare
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      13 years, 2 months ago

      Aguero/Jelvic for Tevez?

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