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Versus – Baines and Coleman

13 October 2014 1701 comments
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After scaling the heights of fifth place in their first season under Roberto Martinez, Everton have so far failed to find their form. The Toffees sit in seventeenth spot – just two points off the basement – but are poised for an excellent upcoming schedule which many expect will enable them to quickly climb back up the table.

Understandably, Fantasy managers are eyeing up Leighton Baines ahead of a run which pits the Merseysiders against just three of last season’s top eight in the forthcoming 13 Gameweeks. Given that the Toffees have managed just a single clean sheet so far, though, defensive returns may be hard to come by unless they can tighten up considerably.

With team-mate Seamus Coleman looking poised for an imminent return to action, we analyse the pair’s displays so far and compare them to the performances which harvested 169 and 180 points respectively in the 2013/14 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game.

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  1. Del Monte
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Risers: Berahino

    Fallers: Sidwell Reid Jones Powell Zarate

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    1. Del Monte
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      Not one site had Berahino close to a rise.

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    2. Damo.
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Got freaked that it was my Burnley Jones. Thought nah it must be Phil Jones but it's actually Brad Jones.

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      1. Del Monte
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        Steven Reid not Winston Reid

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        1. Damo.
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          Liar! Ban him!!

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      2. Damo.
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        And anyone who had Brad Jones needs to be brought out the back and pit down.

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    3. Not Irish
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      No one has a bead on prices. Slow risers still impossible to track.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        are these correct?

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        1. Not Irish
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          Yup

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        2. usagooner
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          According to TFPL, yes.

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          1. Twelve years a slave
            • 15 Years
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            Shame, was hoping to report him again

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            1. Not Irish
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              Stop being so reactive. 😉

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    4. TheOneAndOnly
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      around 63% is riser on totalfpl.com

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  2. Baseline bonus magnets in defence
    President John F. Keninnsie
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    Following on from Jonty's community article about Bonus Point Magnets in Defence, I've taken it a step further and removed the top 12 BPS magnets' clean sheet, goal and assist points to find out their baseline BPS score...

    Using Ivanovic as an example, below shows their current BPS (181), the points taken off for CS/G/A and their new BPS after these have been deducted. [Goals and clean sheets are worth 12BPS, assists are worth 9BPS].

    Ivanovic : 181 BPS : - 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 CS (-69) = 112 BPS
    Azpilicueta : 175 BPS : - 1 assist, 3 CS (-45) = 130 BPS
    Baines : 163 BPS : - 1 goal, 3 assists, 1 CS (-51) = 112 BPS
    Williams : 158 BPS : - 3 CS (-36) = 122 BPS
    Bertrand : 152 BPS : - 1 goal, 1 assist, 3 CS (-57) = 95 BPS
    Robertson : 148 BPS : - 1 assist, 2 CS (-33) = 115 BPS
    Jagielka : 144 BPS : - 1 goal, 1 CS (-24) = 120 BPS
    Fonte : 144 BPS: - 3 CS (-36) = 108 BPS
    Naylor : 144 BPS : - 1 assist, 3 CS (-45) = 99 BPS
    Clyne : 143 BPS : - 1 goal, 1 assist, 3 CS (-57) = 86 BPS
    Kompany : 139 BPS : - 2 CS (-24) = 115 BPS
    Shackell : 137 BPS: - 3CS (-36) = 101 BPS

    All of these 12 men have played every minute of the season so far (630) apart from Robertson (609) and Naylor (592). Below is the baseline BPS/min, in order, for the 'new' top 12.

    Azpilicueta = 0.206
    Williams = 0.194
    Jagielka = 0.190
    Robertson = 0.189
    FERDINAND = 0.184
    Kompany = 0.183
    Ivanovic = 0.178
    Baines = 0.178
    LOVREN = 0.178
    Fonte = 0.171
    Naylor = 0.167
    Coloccini = 0.165

    Out go Bertrand, Clyne and Shackell, in come Ferdinand (into 5th! 😯 ), Lovren and Coloccini.

    Conclusion:
    - Azpilicueta is the biggest baseline BPS magnet defender in the game.
    - 5 fullbacks and 7 centre backs... Neither position seems to have have much of an advantage over the other in terms of baseline BPS.
    - Fonte has the best baseline BPS/min out of all of the SOT defenders... He also scored 3 goals last season... an alternative to Clyne and Bertrand maybe?
    - Jagielka would likely be the defender to get some bonus if Everton keep a cleanie, providing the other 3 defenders don't get attacking returns.
    - Ferdinand! Where did that come from? He may be a cheeky pickup later in the season when QPR have some kind fixtures and defensive form...

    Anyway, these are the results. I know it's not the biggest sample size as we are only 7 weeks into the season, but I'll let you all conclude what you want from my research.

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    1. Willis.
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      People are seriously choosing defenders based on their BAP potential?

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      1. King Nil Miss ✩
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        It sure helps.

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      2. President John F. Keninnsie
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        Some people might find it helpful.

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      3. Amateur Pundit Zan
        • 12 Years
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        Regular bonus on top of clean sheets makes a massive difference so yes

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    2. Ady87
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Good to see Kompany so high without a goal or assist. Hope he does the business this weekend.

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      1. DRY PEANUT
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        United fan?

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        1. Ady87
          • 12 Years
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          Yeah. FPL does strange things to me.

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    3. Scoredelario
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Great post, but I do think this kind of analysis is only useful for deciding which defenders might get the odd bonus point in a 0-0 or 1-0. It may give you a slight 'baseline' edge but if another defender is knocking in assists and goals, he will easily surpass the points and indeed the baps.

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      1. Scoredelario
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        Don't get me wrong though, I appreciate the work. Just for me personally I don't put a big emphasis on this!

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      2. President John F. Keninnsie
        • 12 Years
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        No worries I completely agree with you, I just saw on Jonty's article that he said it'd be good if more community members could do some research on this so I gave it a go. 🙂

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        1. Scoredelario
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          Yeah I am all for research and also analysis! In some games where points are heavily based on stats rather than end product this would be a gold mine. I think the yahoo and skysports games might be but haven't played them.

          In FPL it isnot helped by the need to be top 3 in order to get bonus points.

          Top 3 out of 22-28 players requires a fairly erratic scoring style rather than a consistently above average one. Without doing the research I'd guess Kompany has often been 5th-10th in the bonus charts which equates to good try but no cigar.

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    4. The Finnisher
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      "When QPR have some kind fixtures and defensive form" 😆

      That either wont happen or Rio wont be there to benefit.

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      1. President John F. Keninnsie
        • 12 Years
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        The good thing with Rio is when (if 😉 ) QPR keep a clean sheet it'd probably be a low scoring game as QPR won't be thrashing teams anytime soon... So he'll probably be in the BPS...

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      2. Scoredelario
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        Ha in the case of Ferdinand the reason he has good stats is because QPR are so bad the ball is constantly around the box. He will make blocks and clearances in the same way that a carefully positioned scarecrow would (and also a similar effect on the nearby birds ;))

        The problem is the by product of this heavy concentration of action in the QPR area also leads to a lorra lorra goals against, chuck.

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    5. Venom Snake
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Jags was a bap magnet last season which is why I wanted to bring him in this week, but the question is if they will tighten up at the back

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    6. Holmes
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      Azpi and Kompany!!! *Drool*

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    7. Billy Ketsu
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      Very nice research Innsie. Azpic looks really good value at 6m - those extra baps for a clean sheet really mount up. Terry got 29 last season. 29! That's 7 goals for a striker!

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      1. Scoredelario
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        How many goals and assists did he get? I guess a lot of his BPs coincided with them. I definitely remember 3BPs for his phantom goal 😆

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        1. Scoredelario
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          • 14 Years
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          Actually I stand corrected. He only got 3 goals and an assist so maximum of 12 from those games. As a terry owner I hope it happens again.

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    8. The Hound
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Nice post mate, makes me feel a bit more justified in owning fonte. If only aspi did deliver the odd goal and assist...

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    9. Jafalad
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Excellent work. Why isn't this post hulked?

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    10. Albertini
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      Great post Innsie.
      I knew there must be some reason for Rio Ferdinand being in my team since GW1! 🙂

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    11. RedLightning
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      • 15 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Why has this still not been hulked?

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    12. A.T
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      Interesting stuff. Thanks Innsie

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    13. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Cheers for this

      Am trying to decide between Mangala and Azpi

      This puts a big tick in Azpi's box

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    14. J0E
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Excellent analysis. Really good to see Azpi there as well. For me Fonte is the most interesting - could be a great differential to the saints full backs.

      We have another community article on bonus being published this morning- looking across all positions. Well worth a read.

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  3. Jafooli
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    11 years, 2 months ago

    Wales 1-0 Cyprus

    Baines

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  4. RD
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    Welbeck or Pelle??

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  5. Waldaz
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    Pellè hits the bar, header.

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  6. tm245
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    Both.

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
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      None

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  7. McEwan
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Baines every time for me when they are round about the same price

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  8. Connor's Calling
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Wisdom ->
    a) Azpi
    b) Bertrand

    ?

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  9. VougieDipond
    • 13 Years
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    Made the right call

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  10. That Fantasy Guy
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    • 11 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Post got lost....

    Guys, by when do you think Baines and hutton will rise?

    Cause I have exact funds to do lovren and pva to Baines and hutton.

    Also, anyone looking at oviedo?

    Thanks!

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  11. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    • 16 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Where is this raging debate?

    Oh, I get it - Farage is in the garage.

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    1. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Panorama. Recording it 😉

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        😆 What a waste! 😉

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        1. The Bandit
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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmopROxBnBU

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            Wowzers!!! What a gem - thank you!!! 😀 😀 😀

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          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            One of my all-time heroes, what I have actually met. 🙂

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            1. The Bandit
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              You sound like Goughie 😛

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                Sometimes, I feel like Goughie. Only sometimes, mind ... 😀

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  12. Parm
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    Tony Hibbert.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Buster Keaton

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWEo4M8nZQQ

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  13. Mr Chadwick
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    A) Beranhino and Azpilicueta

    B) Welbeck and Chambers

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    1. HamezMace
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      B

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  14. Wirtzle Gummidge
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    11 years, 2 months ago

    Expect Baines' stats to imporve further considering the upcoming opposition.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      - and the accompanying clean sheets! 😉

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  15. johnbarnes
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    11 years, 2 months ago

    Pellé goal. king.

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  16. Parm
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    SAF: "I think the supporters respond very well when a young player gets his opportunity. Young people have to be given an opportunity,particularly if they’ve got ability. If you wait too long, they just stagnate and you lose them"

    Remember this lad called Paul Pogba?

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    1. Lucy.
      • 12 Years
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      😆

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    2. johnbarnes
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      arguably the greatest misjudgement of Sir Alex.

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    3. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
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      He has a point. Nobody seems at all bothered that his last signing was Wilfred Zaha.

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      1. Parm
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        Spunked £10m on Zaha, Moyes barely played him and now we'll be lucky to get back half what we paid.

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
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          It looks like you're blaming Moyes. My point is proved.

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    4. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Rafael and Park at CM over Pogba

      FML

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    5. Jafooli
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      SAF was an awful manager, achieved very little.

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      1. Parm
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        Agreed, Moyes was better.

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        1. Jafooli
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          Ian Dowie, better than both, never given a chance.

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            Earthworm Jim lives!!!

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      2. HamezMace
        • 11 Years
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        This 🙂

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  17. Lucy.
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    So the 'raging debate' is that there's no debate and one clear conclusion?

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      Yep. Drink more wine. 😀

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      • 12 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      If you can be bothered, check out the stats for both of them playing together last season. Coleman profited when Baines was injured. I think you can guess what those stats will say though. 🙂 Non-debate, as you say. 😛

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  18. LOCO ABREU
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    pelle goal

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  19. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    PELLE'

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  20. tm245
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    What is their back four? Does Oviedo start while Stones is out?

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    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Or was Oviedo on for Coleman?

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    2. Wirtzle Gummidge
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      11 years, 2 months ago

      I remember Oviedo playing left back last season when Baines was out... something he did very very well.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
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        11 years, 2 months ago

        Oviedo is a left back. Hes backup for Baines (poor sod). He can also play as a utility left winger, so I doubt he would play CB.

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        1. tm245
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 2 months ago

          Cheers. No room at the inn, it seems. Love that price now that he is OOP.

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    3. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Baines Distin Jagielka Coleman
      Hibbert to play at right back if Coleman isn't ready this weekend

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  21. VougieDipond
    • 13 Years
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    So long Cyprus

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  22. Total Foot 5
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    pelle + imobile looks promising. pelle aka late blloomer or even more so, Koeman has a very good eye for potential bringing him to holland and then Sou.

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  23. Jimjam
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    • 15 Years
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    Forster (Gilks)
    Clyne - Chambers - Naylor (PVA - Duff)
    Di Maria - Sterling - Siggy - Chadli (Boyd)
    Aguero - Costa - Pelle

    1FT, £3.5 in bank

    Seems obvious, but... PVA -> Baines with my free?

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    1. johnbarnes
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      yes

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  24. LOCO ABREU
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    bale assist for robson kanu

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    1. VougieDipond
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      Needs more. Cyrpus look like a shocking outfit. Playing very open not like the usual sit back and hope not to lose 10-0 brigade though

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      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 2 months ago

        Did they not beat someone decent?

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        1. VougieDipond
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 2 months ago

          Bosnia at home. Different away though their record is awful

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          • 12 Years
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          Beat Bosnia last month.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5V8ecsrxeY

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      1. VougieDipond
        • 13 Years
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        yuck!

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  25. thes7s
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Siggy goal
    Pelle goal
    Hope they replicate that form on weekend.

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    1. Punty
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Hear hear. Also hope Blind and Van Persie continue playing like they have done in their matches, just because I dislike United

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  26. Wouter
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Robben misses a free header.

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    1. leo_messi
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      • 14 Years
      11 years, 2 months ago

      Siggy again...

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  27. 420king
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    DŽEKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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  28. tm245
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 2 months ago

    Dzeko goal

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  29. LOCO ABREU
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    goal bosnia

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    1. LOCO ABREU
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      dzeko with pjanic assist

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  30. VougieDipond
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    Edin Dzeko now PL goal fest

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